Nurse Cherilyn Lee Is a Liar and Possible Supporter of Dr. Murder Murray

[Autumn II]

I know the family went into the house and removed everything before anyone else went inside. I wonder if they found that Diprivan in the closet when they were there??

I'm thinking it wasn't THERE, is why they didn't find it. And then it was there, and the cops "found" it. Still don't know why, though. Something tells me it has to do with insurance. . . . . .

 

[troubleman84]

Wait, are we REALLY sure the Diprivan was even found? :huh: They recovered other drugs. :blink: Plus if the propofol is not visible in his system, then WTF are they investigating? Because it did seem to come out of nowhere even if Murray had mentioned it. :huh:

 

[kasume]

Wait, are we REALLY sure the Diprivan was even found? :huh: They recovered other drugs. :blink: Plus if the propofol is not visible in his system, then WTF are they investigating? Because it did seem to come out of nowhere even if Murray had mentioned it. :huh:

What if propofol was never even used.....it wasn't detected in his body and the bottles were just placed in his house afterwards, and the nurse just came on national television to put everyone on a path of no return....

but that was just a thought....quite farfetched, I know.

anyways, at this point, we don't know anything. We don't know if propofol really was used and we don't even know what drugs were even found in his system. (except that xanax story which i think either got leaked or was told by an unknown source)

The only thing I do believe is what Marlon has said. That Michael was feeling sick the night before (which is odd since he's supposed to be healthy according to physicals) when the doc refused to take him to the hospital, telling him he was fine.

 

[meena76]

This is what I believe as well. I guess the phone records would give us a better idea of how early he was awake and making calls. If he was awake and making calls he could have gone down and gotten Michael's breakfast, too. Something was going on in that room if he wasn't sleeping.

Exactly,

That's why I really do think Murray was set up. He is a doctor and doctors don't panic in situations like this. They are trained on how to handel these types of situations.

The only explaniation I can see for him to panic is that he really did not see this coming.

He knew the finger would be pointed at him so he covered up, Big mistake.

But, he is not off the hook. I do not like this man. He gave him the propofol and did not have the proper medical equipment to administer this deadly drug.

The fact that he tried to cover up makes it even worse. He had a lot of time to do a lot of shit. Michael died way before the medics came. We are talking about 3-4 hours. What was he doing all this time?

As for as the nurse I don't know, at this point I don't put anything past anybody. Could she had been paid off, you damn straight. A lot of people are going to be paid off before it is all said and done.

 

[wendy2004]

I know the family went into the house and removed everything before anyone else went inside. I wonder if they found that Diprivan in the closet when they were there??

If the closet was locked, how would they have gotten into it? Imma take a wild guess and say a closet with medication in it of that nature would have been kept locked. if it was a stash or stockpile of meds of some sort, then I would guess it would have been locked. Family may not think it's worth breaking open, especially if they weren't sure it was owned by Michael. Police, however, CAN break open a lock for such purposes. At this point, we don't know if it was locked or not. Perhaps his family took a look around that particular room and didn't see anything that suggested Michael had anything in there worth rounding up...or whether anyone had even used that particular room for anything.

What if propofol was never even used.....it wasn't detected in his body and the bottles were just placed in his house afterwards, and the nurse just came on national television to put everyone on a path of no return....

but that was just a thought....quite farfetched, I know.

anyways, at this point, we don't know anything. We don't know if propofol really was used and we don't even know what drugs were even found in his system. (except that xanax story which i think either got leaked or was told by an unknown source)

The only thing I do believe is what Marlon has said. That Michael was feeling sick the night before (which is odd since he's supposed to be healthy according to physicals) when the doc refused to take him to the hospital, telling him he was fine.

I agree with you, there's no way to know anything right now. And your suspicions/scenario as you described it here is very valid, imo. It's logical. I'm just saying it's also possible diprivan could have been ignored by police first go 'round, "missed" by the family during their cleanout, and may not have had to be planted by anyone. Perhaps it was simply overlooked by all in a locked closet...until Lee spoke out and Murray coughed up the information. I'm at work now but maybe this weekend I will try to hunt down those reports to see what came first. Lee's interview with the AP or Murray's second interview. Maybe someone else will post it here first.

And the xanax story that was leaked also mentioned propofol was found. So if you believe the xanax part, you'd have to believe propofol was found as well.

 

[Mikejoefan]

STATEOFSHOCK you made a good point about the chef.

I do, NOW, find it funny that she didn't question murry on why he needed prince if she felt something was SO wrong that it required prayer. Thats mad funny. Cuz i know that if it was me and the mood shifted in the house. I would have at least said something like "murry is everything alright, is michael ok" or somthing. Not just got prince and then start praying. It don't make sense that she didn't question him AT ALL.

 

[Kizmic]

STATEOFSHOCK you made a good point about the chef.

I do, NOW, find it funny that she didn't question murry on why he needed prince if she felt something was SO wrong that it required prayer. Thats mad funny. Cuz i know that if it was me and the mood shifted in the house. I would have at least said something like "murry is everything alright, is michael ok" or somthing. Not just got prince and then start praying. It don't make sense that she didn't question him AT ALL.

It does make sense because when someone comes down alarmed and panicked, the last thing you do is question if the person sets that tone, you respond much like if you were saving someone from being hit by a car do you first ask questions like what is the best possible way to save this person from getting hit by a car or do you respond first?

 

[Soso Deaf]

um...didn't u see them walking out the house w/ boxes and bags? then they were looking (per the warrant) for connections between murray and propofol at the pharmacy in lv.

 

[Mikejoefan]

Gold star for you! :flowers:



Becuz maybe they weren't looking for anything like that? They were grabbing pill bottles to try and confirm their theory of a drug overdose. When you look at a bottle of diprivan it has no prescription on it. Police probably had no idea what it was or couldn't imagine it had anything to do with prescription drug use...same as they wouldn't confiscate a bottle of rubbing alcohol. They may have deemed it irrelevant...or had no information about where it was really kept at first. If I'm not mistaken they went back to the house after she spoke out and after Murray's second interview and suddenly found the "closet" where the diprivan was located.


Maybe they weren't looking for milky liquids that shouldn't be found outside of a hospital in the first place. They were more than likely looking for pills, pill bottles, prescriptions...

Yeah but the dip woulda been packaged up like meds (to keep it fresh). Im pretty sure dip is packaged and sealed to point that no would think its just some random bottle of say..alcohol. and wouldn't it have the name and fluid amount on it as well. And wouldn't it have been with the rest of the pill stash. I Don't think if the police were looking for anything drug related, that they should have overlooked a milky bag of fluids packaged in professional packaging. But then again you have to many ppl who don't know how to do there jobs or ppl who don't care enough to do a thorough job. These are the same folks who didn't even seal off the house.:smilerolleyes:

 

[Mikejoefan]

It does make sense because when someone comes down alarmed and panicked, the last thing you do is question if the person sets that tone, you respond much like if you were saving someone from being hit by a car do you first ask questions like what is the best possible way to save this person from getting hit by a car or do you respond first?

um yes you do. If someone comes down the stairs yelling. Wouldn't you be like "murry whats going on" :doh:

for instances:
If you are in ya room and hear a loud noise in the kitchen. Isn't the first reaction, WHAT HAPPEN. And if you ran out to the kitchen and your brother is there and he says go get jane. Wouldn't you then either

A) go get jane and then say, bro what's going on?

or

B) Go get jane and then you and jane say "what's going on?"

Or

C) Say "what's going on bro" just before you take off to go get jane

but you would just go get jane and then go back to the living room and start praying. You would want to know whats happening first. Well at least I would.

With the car situation, if you see someone get hit by a car or see they are about to get hit is different. Because kai never knew what happened, she just was startled. When someone is alarmed their FIRST reaction is, What in the world was that THAT or what just happen. You start looking for answers. Kia should have at least been at the beginning of the staircase trying to peep up or look for security to see what was happening. How did she know that michael wasn't alright but didn't know what was going on. Or that it was michael would was in danger as supposed to michael needing something quick or something to that effect.

 

[troubleman84]

Yeah why didn't Kai question the doc? Nah I don't buy that at all. The hell you gonna form a prayer circle? That don't make no sense either.

 

[Autumn II]

Yeah why didn't Kai question the doc? Nah I don't buy that at all. The hell you gonna form a prayer circle? That don't make no sense either.

Right. That makes no sense. If there is a commotion in my house and someone is freaking out, I'd say, FIRST, "What's going ON?"

If there is a commotion in my house, I'm not going to form a prayer circle without knowing what we're praying FOR? For Murray to shut up? For Michael to be ok? As in, "Dear Lord, we don't know what's going on but if it has anything to do with Michael, please let him be ok?" Uhm. . . .

Alternative scenario. Murray is yelling on the stairs, "Michael's not breathing! Send Prince up!" And then the chef says (to protect Prince), "Hell, naw," and forms a prayer circle instead. That might make some sense, but apparently that alternative scenario is not what happened. There is something missing between Murray's yelling on the stairs, and the formation of a prayer-circle. And then the chef goes on tv and plugs a cookbook? This is nuts. ALL of it. . . .nuts. Was there no one even rational, around Michael? Anyone?

 

[troubleman84]

^^ I doubt it. Kai was another person who said MJ seemed perfectly fine until "the day". :mellow:

 

[Kizmic]

um yes you do. If someone comes down the stairs yelling. Wouldn't you be like "murry whats going on" :doh:

for instances:
If you are in ya room and hear a loud noise in the kitchen. Isn't the first reaction, WHAT HAPPEN. And if you ran out to the kitchen and your brother is there and he says go get jane. Wouldn't you then either

A) go get jane and then say, bro what's going on?

or

B) Go get jane and then you and jane say "what's going on?"

Or

C) Say "what's going on bro" just before you take off to go get jane

but you would just go get jane and then go back to the living room and start praying. You would want to know whats happening first. Well at least I would.

With the car situation, if you see someone get hit by a car or see they are about to get hit is different. Because kai never knew what happened, she just was startled. When someone is alarmed their FIRST reaction is, What in the world was that THAT or what just happen. You start looking for answers. Kia should have at least been at the beginning of the staircase trying to peep up or look for security to see what was happening. How did she know that michael wasn't alright but didn't know what was going on. Or that it was michael would was in danger as supposed to michael needing something quick or something to that effect.

Also have to take into consideration that not everyone responds the same. I can see how she may have been startled and instead of questioning just reacted. Just the same as the other way, someone asks first.

People usually think about it in the "what would I have done" manner however it eliminates the individual aspects of what would Kai do. This happens all the time regarding how someone else grieves too which is put under the microscope on the news for the sensationalist approach which results in another person's life ruined by the media playing the role of a jury. Such as the Ramsey case where they had their "experts" on the declare the mother of Jon Benet was not crying in a way that was believable so therefore guilty!

They did this to this family for years. That family as a result had to suffer even though they went to trial and was cleared by dna evidence yet is there a single apology from the press? HELL NO. Why? They have a little pact. If you are a journalist, you are their family or gang and you must stand by whatever you first say. There are some journalists out there that will admit to making mistakes and if they do that with another journalist around that is all about the elitism game then that journalist will turn rabid on air towards that other journalist. It's corrupt.

I mean look at what Bill O'reilly said to Aphrodite when she admitted that she was wrong about Michael. I want you to look at that face of Bill and his words, his shouting over her so that people will pay attention to the signs of who is being honest. Shouting over someone or belittling them on air is a sign that a reporter is covering up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTNlB4GURgs

 

[troubleman84]

Well I don't know about you, but if someone calls for somebody for help, I'd be like "what's wrong". I wouldn't care if I was not allowed up there, someone's in trouble, the first thing I'd do is wonder what the world's going on.

 

[kasume]

I just think people have different ways of reacting.

I think Kai was just so shocked and afraid that she didn't want to hear the 'very bad' news, not yet.

Michael Jackson is upstairs with a personal doctor who knows what he's doing and who's job is to watch over the patient's health. Now for that DOCTOR to come downstairs and scream "get prince" in such a 'frantic' state, she knew something very serious happened and she even said so herself.

Now if you're witnessing a doctor himself freaking out (who's supposed to know what he' doing), you know something is wrong. And to see that personal doctor 'freak out' they must know that their patient's life is in grave grave danger.

Personally, if I were in her shoes, I wouldn't want to hear anything, not yet. Although, I'd just ask if they'd called the ambulance already, and ask if there's anything I can do to help. That's the only thing I would have done differently, or so I think. I don't think Kai saw that coming and therefore was just shocked. Other than that, I'd also pray like she did, hoping they get at Mr. Jackson's house ASAP.

 

[myfavouritewintercoat]

Well I don't know about you, but if someone calls for somebody for help, I'd be like "what's wrong". I wouldn't care if I was not allowed up there, someone's in trouble, the first thing I'd do is wonder what the world's going on.

I agree I'd run up there to be honest if it seemed like real panic, maybe Kai was stopped... I don't get good vibes about Kai's story, especially when she was showing all the notes from Paris one minute in TV interviews and then promoting her cookbook the next... strange.

 

[SexyMamaJo]

Yall have to remember Kai was an employee, maybe she was instructed not to go upstairs. I thought it was odd too when she said the doctor didn't come downstairs to get MJ's food in the morning. If I was Kai, I would have gone upstairs to see if MJ is okay but we don't know if Kai was permitted to even do that.

My mom used to work take care of this old lady who lived in her daughters house. The lady lived in her daughters basement. The basement had everything though, a kitchen, two bedrooms and a living room. The day my mom went to the interview, her daughter told my mom not to go upstairs to their kitchen, living room, bedrooms etc. My mom worked for the lady for three years, she never went to the ladys kitchen, living room, etc (for three years). The door to the kitchen area was always locked anyways.

So maybe Kay was intructed not to go to certain areas in the house.

 

[kasume]

Yall have to remember Kai was an employee, maybe she was instructed not to go upstairs. I thought it was odd too when she said the doctor didn't come downstairs to get MJ's food in the morning. If I was Kai, I would have gone upstairs to see if MJ is okay but we don't know if Kai was permitted to even do that.
.

That's true. She said no one in the house was allowed to go upstairs (except the doctor I believe.) She said it was a rule.

 

[nestacat]

Yeah why didn't Kai question the doc? Nah I don't buy that at all. The hell you gonna form a prayer circle? That don't make no sense either.

From what I can recall, Kai said that the 'prayer circle' started AFTER the EMT's got there........not before while Dr. was running around screaming...and, remember the EMT's where there for a long time before leaving in the ambulance. It seems once the EMT's were there, everyone realized the severity of the situation, hence the prayer circle.

edit: (from the interview).....So I proceed, go to preparing the lunch and wrapped his lunch like Mr. Jackson likes -- you know, wrapped it in Saran Wrap and -- because he likes, you know, the -- his lunch like he is at a hotel, you know, kind of like room service.”
“So around 12:00, 12:05, 12:10, Dr. Murray comes down the stairs. There was a stairwell that leads into the kitchen. And he's screaming, hurry. Go get Prince. Call security. Get Prince. So I...”

Larry King then asked Kai who Prince was, she responded, “Michael Jackson's eldest son. And he -- so I -- I drop everything that -- that I'm doing and I run into the den, which is very close to the kitchen. And I go get Prince. And Prince and I run back. And, you know, he meets Dr. Murray at the stairs. Prince stays with -- downstairs with us and Dr. Murray goes up the stairs with -- but within minutes, the paramedics are there. And the security is running upstairs, skipping stairs and all of a sudden we're all, you know, panicked -- you know, what's going on?

What's happening?

So the energy in the house had kind of just kind of changed from that happy kind of day that we were having and preparing lunch and having a good time to just kind of eerie.” Larry King then asked what the kids were doing while all of this was taking place.

Kai answered by describing the children’s emotional reaction to their father’s condition, “The -- the daughter, she says -- Paris, she starts screaming, "Daddy. Daddy. Daddy."

We all started, you know, crying and...we knew Something was wrong. And -- and she's screaming, "Daddy," and starts crying. And then we started crying and we all come together in unity in a circle and we started holding hands. And we started praying, you know, God please let Mr. Jackson...”

 

[SoS]

Gold star for you! :flowers:



Becuz maybe they weren't looking for anything like that? They were grabbing pill bottles to try and confirm their theory of a drug overdose. When you look at a bottle of diprivan it has no prescription on it. Police probably had no idea what it was or couldn't imagine it had anything to do with prescription drug use..

same as they wouldn't confiscate a bottle of rubbing alcohol. They may have deemed it irrelevant...or had no information about where it was really kept at first. If I'm not mistaken they went back to the house after she spoke out and after Murray's second interview and suddenly found the "closet" where the diprivan was located.


Maybe they weren't looking for milky liquids that shouldn't be found outside of a hospital in the first place. They were more than likely looking for pills, pill bottles, prescriptions...

Btw...everyone who appears on those shows are getting paid whether they have gone to the police first or last. If we criticize her, we have to criticize everyone else who's been on Larry King and all those shows saying what we want to hear and what we don't want to hear, what we believe and disbelieve. jmo.

OK, a team of police investigators go into a house where there's a mysterious death in which they are suspecting the death to be drug-related , they come across some weird milky white stuff that looks like it belongs in a hospital and they think nothing of it. That odd, mysterious drug is no kind of red flag. That doesn't line up for me.

They see a bottle of rubbing alcohol they say, "oh well, that's just rubbing alcohol" because they know what it is.
They see a bottle of milky white stuff in a bottle designed for needle insertion or looks like it belongs in a hospital and it is in a house and this is a celebrity who can have accessed it any number of ways, and they are in Hollywood where there are celebrity deaths almost routinely, and because this weird looking drug has no doctor/patient/pharmacy name on it ...... they think nothing of it ? And they are in a mysterious drug-death-related investigation ..

... sorry I know i repeated but I mean ... *sigh* sorry that doesn't work for me

It looks like to me the permeating presence of this drug in the media was followed up by the sudden presence of this drug in the minds of the authorities hence the public.

The attorney for the doctor was last quoted as far as I am aware, as stating that they are waiting for toxicology results and that his client is continuing to cooperate with authorities, contrary to some rumored leaks that the doctor admitted to administering Propofol.

Rumored "leaks" are too suspect in shaping public perception.

With regard to being 'suspect' of everyone who's gotten on TV to get paid, I am, very much so.

The only sort of random person who's popped up on TV to talk about MJ that I have thus far given the benefit of the doubt to is Lou Ferrigno because his seemingly evident motive was to set the record straight about MJ's physical condition. Cherilynn is someone I would have said that about too. It isn't that she said something I didn't want to hear. She said something that has gotten a lot of credence only after she did it. - even after the police were there. Unless there's something I'm missing which is entirely possible.

I feel that Joe Jackson, Al Sharpton, Dick Gregory, Firpo Carr, Raymone Bain and anyone else who is speaking for the Jackson family have been understandably doing so as all of them have been known as Jackson spokes persons in some fashion. I have not liked what I've heard from all of them but I can at least see how their opinions or concerns would be sought out, even Deepak Chopra who is famed to have known MJ and hails as a "medical expert" even though he said something I do not respect, like or believe is true.

I don't feel the tox reports are really anyone's business technically speaking though and don't have to be released as far as I'm concerned.

If they do report it and Propofol is found in his system I will certainly question it because the majority of the numerous medical experts have reported that it doesn't stay very long after its effect wears off.

 

[SoS]

We all started, you know, crying

no, I don't "know". Why did they all start "crying"? Sure, that makes sense for the children who have not lived long enough to know that EMTs can actually make emergency situations ok, but not someone 37 years old who's job it is (in that moment) to comfort the kids and give them a sense of hope. For her to say that in hindsight, in light of what really was going on, it sounds to me like something she might imagine would sound appropriate. I don't feel it is. Obviously jmo.

Same with her stated reaction when she heard the news. Since she had no way of knowing for sure what was going on until she heard the news, why wasn't she .... I dunno ... stunned...shocked... that is the usual human response to learning that someone you saw yesterday (who is so excitedly looking forward to the future) is today - DEAD AND GONE. "Devestated" sounds better, seems more appropriate sounding.

It feels to me like this was 'designed' by someone (AEG?) to set MJ up. Give him a chef who meets all his expectations. Take that chef away. Give him one who is unacceptable. Cause him to request the perfect one knowing full well he would being that he is easy to 'read' etc. There is something about her leaving for 3 weeks and MJ losing weight as well. Something about it just doesn't sit right. So she returns, makes him energy-inducing foods, and basically rabbit food and all is well again. I don't know what it is but its something odd to me.

She said he looked thinner. That's easy enough to swollow considering his weight is such a hot topic. Or, maybe it was just "chef's ego" (to imagine their client was better off when they were preparing the food) ... or ... (and so far I'm voting for this one) just another "sound byte" - something that sounds good for the public to not suspect her, just like the other "overkill" (no pun please) with showing Paris' stuff to "show" the world how "trusted and cherished" she was thereby deflecting the attention off her?

She says she left due to not being able to reach a financial agreement. Aren't those things reached before you start a job and not two months after? And when an agreement was reached she returned. When asked if AEG was paying her, why did she say she does not know that information? Why wasn't the simple answer, "I was hired back by Mr. Jackson" or "I was employed by Mr. Jackson". Isn't there a signature on her paycheck?

I feel these are fair questions considering she was feeding the man and he died plus the fact that none of this on its face is making any sense.

What makes all this so sad to me is that whoever the accomplices are in whatever game this is, will probably never be caught. They made sure everything would happen right there in the house and in closed quarters.

She didn't bother to explain that although the doc came calling for Prince (and Security) Prince stayed downstairs. Why didn't she bother to explain that? Afterall, she was the one who keeps saying that on every TV SHOW she's been on and leaving that out on EACH one I've seen. How come by the time she did the 2nd, 3rd or 4th one she never bothered to volunteer that information? or clear it up CLEARLY, when she was asked? There has to be a reason for her doing the same script (jmo) each time.
For that matter, how did she (or Prince) not know it was perhaps Michael requesting Prince's presence. This doctor knew the kids very well. Surely Prince trusted him to some extent? Why did he not go upstairs with him? Was he stopped from doing so? If so, why? Did this chef who'd been taking care of this entire family not think it was a good idea to say, "go see what's going on with your dad" ? Why not?

She did not know what was going on, remember? She would have no reason to expect it to be anything Prince shouldn't see since afterall, he was beckoned, and urgently. I hope we get more info by and by because right now that's just ... *sigh* not lining up for me at all.

 

[SoS]

I agree I'd run up there to be honest if it seemed like real panic, maybe Kai was stopped... I don't get good vibes about Kai's story, especially when she was showing all the notes from Paris one minute in TV interviews and then promoting her cookbook the next... strange.

That's another thing. What kind of "bond" do you have with an 11 year old when they give you sweet "keepsakes" then when the only parent they have ever known is DEAD, you go PARADING those "keepsakes" on TV - ALL OVER THE WORLD?

Someone may say, "well, you don't know if maybe Paris didn't give her permission" - and to that I say, no I don't but I do know that for the sake of honoring the child (or anyone) she also did not say, "Paris gave me permission to show this" afterall, these things by Paris were HAND-MADE and obviously personal.

The cook book imho is blatant disrespect as well. Showing the world what Michael ate as far as I'm concerned is as well, as well as telling the world what he did from moment to moment in his house.

The world, like fans, may "enjoy" getting a glimpse of the "King of Pop" by third party, first hand account, but a lot of people could have done that over the years and most have not and Michael wasn't even deceased.

Her cook book will probably be a million seller, if for no other reason than "the world" wants to know what Michael ate.

ugh, makes me ....ugh. . .

 

[troubleman84]

She and Mark have a strange obsession with Paris, I just noticed that. You don't hear about Prince or Prince II (Blanket) but you sure hear about how great Paris was. What a crock of b.s. and yeah what 37-year-old CHEF gonna sit there and cry alongside the children like a child herself? Her interviews are as fishy as Cherilyn Lee's and the stories told by Murray and Klein. And even Karen's and Frank's. I'm hearing 20 different things of what led to what happened on June 25.

 

[SoS]

I agree I'd run up there to be honest if it seemed like real panic, maybe Kai was stopped... I don't get good vibes about Kai's story, especially when she was showing all the notes from Paris one minute in TV interviews and then promoting her cookbook the next... strange.

If she tried to get upstairs though, why wouldn't she say so when she was asked about it .. and let's face it, if she was so "alarmed" that she was just "praying and crying", - if there was ever a moment to break such a rule, wouldn't it have been then? OK, so she was conditioned to remain in her "place" - still . . . that entire scenario seems to be too orchestrated. No "normal" human reaction like, trying to go to the bottom of the stairs to hear or see ?? You're so concerned that you'd just stand there and cry instead of trying to do something. I'd even go so far as to say that if the doctor came down in as alarming fashion as she makes it sound, and calling for security - why not bother to ask if anyone needs anything like maybe, "doctor do you need me to call 911??" if for no other reason than the simple fact that you see for yourself there is an emergency, all you're doing is standing there and you have just minutes ago looked at your cell phone which is how she says she knew what time it was.

God please let Mr. Jackson...”

the tone of her saying this just makes me wanna uke:

 

[troubleman84]

I'd say "f**k a rule, what's up with the patient upstairs?" I never seen anyone who heard of someone dying at home form a prayer circle after someone is taking to the ER. Kai didn't even know Michael was dead until she heard it on the radio and she didn't bother check on Michael at the hospital? THE HELL?!

 

[SoS]

It does make sense because when someone comes down alarmed and panicked, the last thing you do is question if the person sets that tone, you respond much like if you were saving someone from being hit by a car do you first ask questions like what is the best possible way to save this person from getting hit by a car or do you respond first?

Your "saving someone from being hit by a car" analogy doesn't fit this scenario because there was someone else's job (the doc and EMTs) to "save" the person. The responsibility of a person who has been alerted that someone has been hit by a car (or that something is wrong) is to offer to help if you are just standing around and someone is in a (so-called in this case) panic.

Why would you not offer to at least call 911 simply because you see there is an emergency?

Why would you stand there and cry just because someone is in an emergency?

If you knew already that someone has been "hit by a car" then of course

but you have NO IDEA what is going on ...

and you're gonna cry your eyes out

ok

 

[SoS]

Yall have to remember Kai was an employee, maybe she was instructed not to go upstairs. I thought it was odd too when she said the doctor didn't come downstairs to get MJ's food in the morning. If I was Kai, I would have gone upstairs to see if MJ is okay but we don't know if Kai was permitted to even do that.

My mom used to work take care of this old lady who lived in her daughters house. The lady lived in her daughters basement. The basement had everything though, a kitchen, two bedrooms and a living room. The day my mom went to the interview, her daughter told my mom not to go upstairs to their kitchen, living room, bedrooms etc. My mom worked for the lady for three years, she never went to the ladys kitchen, living room, etc (for three years). The door to the kitchen area was always locked anyways.

So maybe Kay was intructed not to go to certain areas in the house.

That much (bolded part) is understood.

But going back to your mother. In the three years that she never violated that rule (as well she should not have) and she heard a loud crash upstairs knowing there's an old lady upstairs, you don't think your mom would do something??? Let's say the old lady's son comes running downstairs and says, "quick!! get the next door neighbor!!!!" you don't think your mom would try and make sure the next door neighbor made their way upstairs insofar as it would depend upon your mother? You don't think your mother would stand at the bottom of the stairs to at least try and find out what's going on?

It may not be the most optimum thing to do to stand at the bottom of the stairs to listen (or try and pay closer attention somehow) but just as its not the optimum thing for people to "rubberneck" on the highway when there's an accident - the fact of the matter is .......if they say why why ..... tell em that its human nature because it is.

The chef imho did nothing that is a natural human response. Only things that (in hindsight) sound "good"

 

[yaazgurl]

Loopy, How is propofol administered as a pure sedative and not an induction agent? Do you still need oxygen administered?State of Shock I understand what you are saying. But if Murray told the cops that he gave MJ propofol then it wasn't to throw them off track. And I thnk Murray did tell the cops this if I go by what his lawyer has said. I do have issues with the rumours that MJ supposedly using this on and off for 10yrs. More musing. If MJ was looking for an anesthesiologist then it makes u wonder if he ever had it administered out of hospital before. Because why would he be so adamant about getting an anesthesiologist and not just a regular doctor? This musing is assuming nurse Lee is being truthful.

But at what point did the cops ask Murray about propofol? Was it after the nurse came forward. She could have made it easier for Murray to admit that he used the drug and then have it easily blamed on MJ asking for it. After watching that Dateline special about the woman killed using propofol it could easily be the same thing in Michael's case. Like the woman, Michael could have consented to the IV drip for dehydration purposes and then been injected with the propofol without his knowledge.

 

[kasume]

It feels to me like this was 'designed' by someone (AEG?) to set MJ up. Give him a chef who meets all his expectations. Take that chef away. Give him one who is unacceptable. Cause him to request the perfect one knowing full well he would being that he is easy to 'read' etc. There is something about her leaving for 3 weeks and MJ losing weight as well. Something about it just doesn't sit right. So she returns, makes him energy-inducing foods, and basically rabbit food and all is well again. I don't know what it is but its something odd to me.

This seems very believable. But I can't fully take it in because it's also possible Michael could become thinner in just three weeks because of all the rehearsals. On stage at his concerts, he sweats like crazy every night he did a show. So I assume he would sweat at rehearsals too, to an extent, therfore lose weight. And maybe when the chef left, he really was getting less nutrition.

But I wonder....so he felt he wasn't getting the right nutrition and didn't bother once to call up that nutritionist Cheryln Lee. And instead, when he did call up the nutritionist, it was for some damn propofol. That's wierd.

She says she left due to not being able to reach a financial agreement. Aren't those things reached before you start a job and not two months after? And when an agreement was reached she returned. When asked if AEG was paying her, why did she say she does not know that information? Why wasn't the simple answer, "I was hired back by Mr. Jackson" or "I was employed by Mr. Jackson". Isn't there a signature on her paycheck?

When did she say all this?? Anyways, I would find it hard NOT to reach a financial agreement with Michael since he's certainly not a scammer and a cheater and would not pay someone an amount he feels is low for them. So the only way their could be an disagreement is if Michael felt her requests were too much.
And as for not knowing if AEG was paying them, I assume someone would know who the hell is paying them. Either Michael Jackson was paying her or not. Or maybe she just didn't know what AEG was. She's just a chef who was hired to cook for Michael. I didn't know what the hell AEG was myself until I read all these This Is It related articles online.

I feel these are fair questions considering she was feeding the man and he died plus the fact that none of this on its face is making any sense.

That's a good point. It just brought something up in my mind. If anyone is so concerned about their health and eats nearly nothing but healthy foods, why would they turn the other way and pop in so many pills in their system. Wouldn't they know it's certainly not good for them? And according to her, Michael wanted the very best for his body.