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how did Murray obtain Propofol

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Since the doctor had no licence to prescribe drugs in LA i'm curious as to how he obtained propofol. You can order it online, although i didn't go all the way through to find out if there were any restrictions on placing orders (for example, proof of medical licence). Pharmacies can also obtain these drugs which may be another option.

Perhaps he obtained the drugs interstate, if he was licenced somewhere else, and then brought them/posted them to LA.

Anyone have any other ideas?
 
Sorry I don't have the answer but I'm curious about this too, and also who showed murray how to administer propofol as it would have to be an anaesthethologist.

Also I'd like to know when and how Michael met Conrad Murray, there is conflicting info from those that say 2006 as conrad murray had treated his children to those who say AEG hired the doctor. Michael did not sign a contract for dr murray
 
as soso deaf said he bought them from that pharamcy in Las Vegas and someone sent them to him in LA , which is illegal. the las vegas pharmacy was raided and the seacrh warrants said they have evidence murray bought propofol from that pharmacy. i believe all the meds he was giving to mj ended up in LA the same way as propofol since he could not prescribed anything in LA, still he was not allowed to even practice or administer anything to anyone in California.
 
IMO he stole it. Its not hard for a doctor to get that stuff and just slip it in his pocket. No one would know they never pat down doctors when they leave the med room.
 
GinnyJackson said:
IMO he stole it. Its not hard for a doctor to get that stuff and just slip it in his pocket. No one would know they never pat down doctors when they leave the med room.
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I dont see how he stole it seeing his name was on the bottle....yeah??
 
no Murray's name was not found on the bottles, on 29th of June after the interview with Murray took place the police recovered multiple bottles/ vials of Lidocaine , propofol from the closet Murray kept them in . Non of the bottles were prescribed to any patien.
 
Oceangirl said:
no Murray's name was not found on the bottles, on 29th of June after the interview with Murray took place the police recovered multiple bottles/ vials of Lidocaine , propofol from the closet Murray kept them in . Non of the bottles were prescribed to any patien.
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That's just, plain, creepy! With no labels, then I'd expect they were "doctors' samples," which may indicate they came from Klein or some other doctor in L.A.?
 
it's all very shady......so many crooked people and organisations out there...it's a scary world
 
Who showed him how to administer it, doesnt it have to be an anaesthetologist?
 
Who showed him how to administer it, doesnt it have to be an anaesthetologist?
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possible arbrams imo. and maybe they got it from him aswell. but klien in no 1 suspect i guess
 
GinnyJackson said:
Kline was able to administer it so there for i think he showed him how. Kline did say he gave it to him during surgery's.
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I thought Michael received Propofol for procedures from Klein in an adjacent outpatient surgical clinic with a nurse anesthetist or anesthesiologist administering it? Although I do believe Klein could obtain it somehow (legally not so sure of, or in a roundabout manner) r/t things he did in his practice in conjunction with the outpatient surgicenter he utilized. Or am I thinking of the other doc/plastic surgeon that's feuding with Klein, hard to keep track of all the stories. But just how many procedures would Klein, as a dermatologist, need to use Propofol for?

Don't trust any of these docs any farther than I could throw them.
 
yeah i think your right bgz. klien couldstill get hold of it. he just didnt adminster it cause hes not qualifyed
 
If it was so 'difficult' to get this propofol here in the USA where he supposedly had contacts to provide him with it how would he (murray) of gotton it in england where he had none ?.

I guess it would of been shipped overseas, but then it's more complicated cause it then has to pass through customs, my head is spinning, idk.
 
taken it with him in his suitcase i guess or shipped.who knows whether he had contacts over here.possibly
 
A doctor can't just walk into a legit. pharmacy, demand whatever they want and then receive it 'no questions asked'.

A pharmacist is a safety net to protect the patient and has ethical responsibilities to the patient and their governing body. If these ethics are breeched then they get reprimanded, worst case is struck off and maybe a civil law suit case.

You know if a pharmacist supplies a patient with a prescription and there is a serious incompatibility or interaction that causes them harm, in the UK this is, the pharmacist and the doctor will share responsibility (equally in a lot of cases). This is because the duty of care of the patient was breeched by both parties.

If any pharmacist supplied Murray propofol without checking wtf it's for they should get duely punished as well. This is true even if the propofol was not supplied on prescription but for the doctor's 'use in practice'. They should have checked their qualifications and questioned the reason for him wanting it-it should never be used out of hospitals and they have their own legit. procurement channels in hospitals.

I so strongly doubt any UK pharmacist would have supplied it to Murray when in London. So maybe some was going to be mailed to the UK from wherever he got it from? Mailing it opposed to risking it at the airport customs is probably a safer bet for getting it into the UK.

This is IF he indeed did plan on coming to the UK? If he didn't and this is a murder, then maybe this is one thing for the authorities to check.....they should check how much of this Murray had in stock. To see if he really was planning on travelling to London...this could be a way of catchin him out.
 
hey daisy,
according to tmz propofol in USA is not a controlled substance and can be shipped to a legit doctor, medical practice without constraints. TMZ said that pharmacy shipping stuff was legal.

ps: now they are changing the rules and it is in the controlled substances list - now pharmacies have the responsibility that you said. Before MJ's case they did not.
 
I saw Arnold Klein say that he gave Michael Demerol on ocassion

for some procedure, but he said not to know about administering Propofol.

I think it was during the interview with Larry King. Then, at a later time,

there was some tabloid announcement about Klein administering

anesthesia to Michael at some nearby building. Does anybody know

if this was a fact or just tabloid rubbish?
 
ivy said:
hey daisy,
according to tmz propofol in USA is not a controlled substance and can be shipped to a legit doctor, medical practice without constraints. TMZ said that pharmacy shipping stuff was legal.

ps: now they are changing the rules and it is in the controlled substances list - now pharmacies have the responsibility that you said. Before MJ's case they did not.
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Hey,

Do you have a link to this TMZ report please? :)

In the UK WHATEVER DRUG a pharmacist supplies to a patient or a doctor, whether it is a controlled drug or not, has to be legally, ethically and clinically assessed.

Obviously, for a controlled drug the risk is heightened and special legal records need to be kept, but for non-controlled drugs, which would include propofol, ethical and clinical checks need to be made.

I CANNOT see how supplying propofol, which the pharmacist should either know or find out is a general anaesthetic and is used only in hospitals, can be justified to a doctor or a patient in the community. The pharmacist should professionally decide the risks, and question the purpose of the supply. The patient's safety is number one priority, for pharmacists as well as doctors. If the pharmacist thinks the patient could be at risk by supplying then he/she will not supply. They are well trained professionals and experts on drugs and thus are liable too.

But perhaps the pharmacist did make enquiries and decided from what they were told, that it was going to be used in a legit clinic/hospital by suitably trained doctor, ie an anaesthesilogist, and the appropriate monitoring and resus. equipment was to hand. Could be?
 
daisy,

they said this in the live chats that they did. They said that LAPD both checked the pharmacy and FEDEX and the paperwork was legit, there was no constrainst to ship the drug and they were cleared. ( and I assume that by legit they mean that there was an acceptable prescription or doctor or clinic that was ordering the stuff).
 
Thanks Ivy, I didn't see that live chat :) Maybe legally they did nothing wrong, but I strongly believe that if the alleged reports are true then ethically the pharmacist needs to be checked out.
 
Propofol is not on the Dangerous Drugs list. I do not know why it is not, as it is a strong anaesthetic, which can put you under in seconds. Murray was a cardiologist and therefore, he is not allowed to give propofol. If he is in the OR then the anaestheologist will give it. In the ICU the nurse will give it but under strict observation, because you can stop breathing in seconds and suffer respiratory distress which leads to a swift death.
US do not know which drug to control and which not to, they are all idiots.
I would of thought that the Paharmacy would question Murray about the drug. But I guess as the Idiotic Quack has his practice in Las Vegas they did not ask the fool any question..
This Mistake took away the this sweet and humble human being from us and left us to greive.
 
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