why wasnt michael given "whitney" treatment

I think everyone needs to calm down a little...

SERIOUSLY WHAT IS WRONG!!!????

IN EVERY THREAD THERE IS A BASHING TOWARDS EITHER THE FAMILY, Friends (Janet, Latoya, Jermaine, Lisa ect.) OR FANS GOING ROUND...

We as MJ Fans have to be respectful and not judge everyone just by some interview or things he said in the past. Nobody is perfect...
I don't understand it, suddenly after Michael died, everyone lets out their hate on another and blames everyone...

Can't we just discuss something without insulting each other? :(
I'm not saying that we all have to be bumlickers...but not just "Well fuck him/her..he's this and that anyway...he said this and that about MJ..." :doh:
 
Didn't MJ's sibling said the last time they met was somewhere in May?
The family said MJ had a drug problem but why didn't they stage an intervention then?
weird.
 
I heard they did try to do an invention but a few yrs ago, but mike wouldnt listen 2 them or somethin like that
 
he did not overdose himself did he ?
you ppl want to focus on subjects that don't even matter any more
did you not read the cause of death "injection by another" a doctor that micheal trusted gave him lethal levels of propfol why cant you understand that even if Micheal begged or what ever its the doctors who can say "yes" or "no"

Exactly! Whitney was hooked on crack and whatnot.
Michael was GIVEN prescription meds for his many health problems. Side effects of these drugs are insomnia.
I hate having to repeat myself but like I said before I HAD insomnia and pills don't work. Sleep deprivation is one of the worst torture anyone can endure. If I could've hit myself over the head with a baseball bat to take me out I would've done it.

Michael was too trusting of the pusherswithdegrees.

My ex is a hypnotherapist and half his clients are people addicted to pres meds.

I agree that the Jackson family should've got a warrant like Whitney's mom and get past those shady guards.
 
I agree that the Jackson family should've got a warrant like Whitney's mom and get past those shady guards.

they were too busy trying to push him for a J5 reunion remember? :smilerolleyes:

and why wasn't there done and intervention for his drugs? because there wasn't any drug addiction, at least I haven't seen any proof yet. yes he took painkillers in 2001 for his broken leg, then he had the spider bite which nearly killed him I'm sure he got treatment for that, he also suffered from back pain...but the propofol thing came out of the blue he only took it for a few weeks before he died. if he used it before he didn't become addicted to it and the doctors are to be blamed for giving him these drugs
 
You could apply that statement to the entire "Investigative Unit" section.


JoeyMJFan, am not trying to say anything bad about your statement but this is what I think...:)

Well...the investigative unit section is not trashing MJ and talking about useless stuff...that part of the forum is to find out what happened to Michael and why, to try to solve this case that the Police or coroner or anybody is Not telling us. Its about finding out Michael's cause of death, we,as fans, at least deserve that as a closure on finding out what happened right? The media is out there getting anything on Michael that will give them ratings...We(fans) don't gain anything except to give love for Michael and his music.


*On another Note...*

This thread has gone too far and its amazing how, even after June 25th instead of trying to find out what really happened, some "people" have already made a judgment on Mike being at fault...but that doesn't matter now if anyone says that cuz we already know that this whole case is not what it seems to be...everyday there's new news(well there was up until the funeral)...

there's a freedom of speech on here and everywhere on this forum...so its fine if you leave any kind of comment...but NOT comments that attacks Mike or his family...I'm not a mod. or an owner of MJJC but this are the rules of MJJC and from what we've learned and seen with our own eyes, The media is having a field day on saying anything and everything about Michael and his family. So, excuse me if I don't want to read posts that talk Negative about Mike. We get that out there in the public, but here, we're supposed to be supporting each other...not make accusations...

I know i said yesterday I'd stop commenting on this thread, but after reading all this...I wanted to give my 2 cents...sorry if no one agrees with me but Think about it...:cheeky:


Love,
Romi
 
Some people feel Michael was on prescriptions meds and doped up 24/7. That is what the media wants to believe. Even in the funky rabbi's book, one of the security guards said MJ was clean all of 2004. Then the trial came so he was medicated again. Also, that Dieter man said confirmed that when it was something that MJ could handle or do he was not heavily medicated. It was stressful times. Latoya stated recently that MJ was cleansing his body. Could be he was self detoxing the way he did in 2004. That is probably why they may not find all these different drugs in his system. Still waiting for the full coroner's report. This last situation was totally different from addiction, he was going totally mad to get some sleep. Staying up three days at a time rehearsing for a concert you become desperate to sleep. He needed doctors who really cared about their patients. Not doctor/drug dealers,
 
Help has to first start with the person who has the problem. If the person doesn't realize they have a problem and want help, the rest is futile.

Whitney at some point realized she had a problem and wanted help, and probably wasn't surrounded by as many enablers. People at some point stopped caring about Whitney (as far as leeches go), and that's probably a bigger help than she realized. Whereas people may have ridiculed MJ, but they never stopped wanting a slice of MJ's fame.
 
MJ was examined by a independent doctor who found MJ healthy enough to do the shows and drugtests were negativ.
AEG put a lot of money in this is it and they had never done it if the MJ was sick and addicted to drugs.
He couldn´t sleep and he had problems to eat enough.
He had problems to sleep for years and now he was to busy working with the shows in detail and his mind couldn´t relax at all.
I don´t wonder that it was hard for him to sleep, he was treated bad many times and he was human.
 
healthy liver, kidneys and SPERM says mj did not need anyone help . add to that STRONG HEART .
 
also nurse lee had done blood tests in jan-apr and found nothing unusual. mj was healthy.
 
this "MJ was an addict, MJ was a walking pharmacy, MJ died like Elvis" is starting to turn into an urban legend where everyone says it happened but nobody has the proof
all the crap the media has regurgitated after MJ's death is suddenly a well-established fact, it hurts me so much when I hear people say Michael was a pathetic drug addict and it's not his poor doctor's fault and let's move on with our lives
MJ went through hell and still had the will to live, he did not self-destruct. even though the trial hurt him tremendously he DID move on. he had that doctor with him because he always had one whenever he was working for a tour, he had a doctor because he wanted to stay healthy not because he wanted drugs
I want there to be a trial so bad to me it seems this is the only way the whole world will see what really happened to Michael
 
this "MJ was an addict, MJ was a walking pharmacy, MJ died like Elvis" is starting to turn into an urban legend where everyone says it happened but nobody has the proof
all the crap the media has regurgitated after MJ's death is suddenly a well-established fact, it hurts me so much when I hear people say Michael was a pathetic drug addict and it's not his poor doctor's fault and let's move on with our lives
MJ went through hell and still had the will to live, he did not self-destruct. even though the trial hurt him tremendously he DID move on. he had that doctor with him because he always had one whenever he was working for a tour, he had a doctor because he wanted to stay healthy not because he wanted drugs
I want there to be a trial so bad to me it seems this is the only way the whole world will see what really happened to Michael
I have not heard ONE Person not even in the media who is saying "this is not this poor doctor's fault" (sorry but i do not count internet. Anyone can say anything on sites). I think since the report came out, many folks have changed their tunes for those who just said he was an addict. Even if Jackson was an addict, this doctor would still be at fault (even more so) because he gave a drug that is NOT suppose to be given outside of a hospital. PERIOD.
 
of course they're not going to say it directly but that's what they're insinuating and they're misleading the public, they're insinuating he was a drug addict and that sooner or later he was going to die anyway no matter what doctor he had. first of all he was not a drug addict, second - he trusted his doctor to take care of him and third - the doctor had no idea what he was doing, with a good doctor MJ would still be alive right now
 
terrell , you should hear Toobin and pensiky (spelling?) they do blame mj for what happened , at leats before the autopsy report was leaked .
 
the talks about doctor shopping, the investigation of other doctors , klien all to make the public believe he was an addict and the doctor was a man in debt who tried to stop the craziness but it was too late.
 
terrell , you should hear Toobin and pensiky (spelling?) they do blame mj for what happened , at leats before the autopsy report was leaked .
I guess they blame MJ because it was MJ's body and he was warned about this drug according to the nurse, so why let a doctor give it to you? However, the blame still lay on the Murray because HE IS THE DOCTOR and he gave to Michael and it is the doctor's Moral stance that should have prevented it (and what is worst, this is a drug that ALL DOCTORS know that should be in the hospital ONLY). If you go to a doctor right now and ask for Morphin because you have a headache, you should NOT get it unless you are in the hospital;, and if you die especially at home, the doctor is going to be held responsible. It does NOT matter if you asked for it, you should have NEVER had it in the first place.
 
I think Michael was the kind of man who would just like to feel adored( like a king), with those people whom he (Michael) would trust, but these people would wash his head to take advantage, they all had agendas, money makes the world go round, and Michael would believe them, is not that Michael was beeing a fool, but yes he would trust the wrong people, you now those snakes are all over world, with their smiles, pretending they cared about him, but no, they would cared for him, but for his tatus and for what they could take out of him, money, business, etc, etc. So if someone would have tried to help him, may be Michael was said by the snakes "he's trying to control you, dont let him/them, you are the one" thats pure brainwash, and to me that just the case
 
Michael was the kind of person who wanted to see the good side of everyone , he believed that everyone had a good side to them. I think he puthis trust in Murray because he's a doctor, and who wouldn't really I mean he's a doctor, a man that has the duty to look after people and make them better. IF Michael was an addict then shouldn't Murray have intervined himself. I mean, when patients have renew their prescription too often the the Doctor has the power to stop the prescription until everything is under control again. Shouldn't Murray , A DOCTOR, used his head and intervined.

I personally don't believe Michael was an addict, well not like the media are trying to say. Yes he did have a problem but I thing he overcame that, the put that all behind him I mean this tour was gonna be the start of some happiness for Michael, he would be able to show his kids what he does, and share the stage with his kids maybe. No one knows what Michael was going through, only he himself could told us how he was feeling and how much pain he was in.

Anyways, I love Michael wether or not he had a problem with prescription drugs.
 
no they blame mj because they believe he was taking all kind od meds and murray could not wean him off anything at all although he tried . they say he was a self-destructive person . and they feel sorry for murray , they said it many times .
 
no they blame mj because they believe he was taking all kind od meds and murray could not wean him off anything at all although he tried . they say he was a self-destructive person . and they feel sorry for murray , they said it many times .
Well, this autopsy should shut them up about that theory now and show they should NOT feel sorry for Murray.
 
no they blame mj because they believe he was taking all kind od meds and murray could not wean him off anything at all although he tried . they say he was a self-destructive person . and they feel sorry for murray , they said it many times .
Like I have said time and time again. Maybe MJ did play a part in his death. BUT a big a** BUT. HE IS DEAD. HE PAID THE ULTIMATE PRICE. He was not in this alone. A doctor who knew better decided to forego all ethics and administer the drug. Say for instance nothing was wrong with him giving MJ the drug at home. THE IDIOT DID NOT MONITOR MICHAEL THE WAY HE WAS SUPPOSE TO. IF he did he would have been able to bring him back probably with oxygen. IF HE WAS IN THE ROOM OR IF HE STEPPED OUT FOR TWO MINUTES. Yeah right.
 
Dr. Arnie Klein: I Warned Michael Jackson About Propofol

ET's Kevin Frazier exclusively sits down with Michael Jackson's former dermatologist Dr. Arnie Klein, who says he warned Michael about the dangers of the powerful drug that allegedly led to his death.

"I told him that it was very dangerous. I told him it was addicting. And, I told him that he really shouldn't be using it," Klein says he told Michael about Propofol.

Klein says he didn't know Jackson was allegedly using Propofol around the time of his death, but he says Jackson had told him in years past that he'd used the drug.

"I knew that he had over-used Profol because in Germany on a tour, he told me that he was using Propofol. And I know that he had a bag of Propofol and called me one night and wanted me to start, and I told him how insane he was and went out there and told him, 'You can't start doing this.'"

Click the video for more of Kevin's interview with Dr. Klein

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFmeQm-Le-g



Cherilyn Lee: Michael Jackson's Nurse Refused to Help Get Powerful, Dangerous Sedative


"...Jackson did not go to the hospital as far as Lee knows. She said he was "adamant" about getting the drug, although she warned him of the drug's extreme dangers, over and over:
He wasn't looking to get high or feel good and sedated from drugs," she said. "This was a person who was not on drugs. This was a person who was seeking help, desperately, to get some sleep, to get some rest.

In recent months, Lee said, Jackson waved away her warnings about it.

"I had an IV and when it hit my vein, I was sleeping. That's what I want," Lee said Jackson told her.

"I said, 'Michael, the only problem with you taking this medication' — and I had a chill in my body and tears in my eyes three months ago — 'the only problem is you're going to take it and you're not going to wake up," she recalled.

Lee said, she wasn't familiar with the drug when he first asked for it three months ago, but, after consulting with a doctor, warned Jackson it could kill him.

"I look at you Michael and I've been around you long enough now, I love you as family. I would not give this to anyone,'" Lee said she told Jackson. "I said, 'This is not a safe medicine, please don't take this.'" ... "'The problem with you telling me you want to be knocked out,'" She says she told him, is "'you might not wake up the next morning. You don't want that.'"
http://maggiesnotebook.blogspot.com/...-jacksons.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/...&page=1&page=1



Matt Fiddes: The tragic singer's friend and UK bodyguard
Drugs Hell Of Michael Jackson

Matt says he and Uri tried in vain to keep drugs away from Jackson only for him to get more from the doctors, who he accused of charging fans up to £10,000 for introductions to their idol.
"I never witnessed him actually taking drugs but I knew they were there and I confiscated packages, and Uri did too," he said.

"And Uri confiscated injection equipment from his room... Uri would scream at Michael, you know, intensely, to stop doing this but we were getting pushed out.
"The doctor had such an influence over Michael that we felt our efforts were falling on deaf ears.
"As far as I'm concerned they have Michael's blood on their hands, they know what they've done and there's people out there who could have helped, could have stepped in but didn't for financial reasons.
"We went to great efforts to keep the doctors away. But as soon as we said anything and it gets back to Michael, Michael would have a screaming fit that we were interfering with his private life, that he knew what he was doing and he was in denial."
The worst state he ever saw Jackson get in to was before a trip to London Zoo, he said.
"We were extremely concerned. Uri would say 'Michael, have you taken something?'. He would come round and say it was jet lag.
"We never made it to that London Zoo visit. We couldn't get him in a state that would portray him in a good light so we had to cancel and Uri donated £1,000 to the Zoo because he felt so bad."
Yet Matt said the star was not taking hard drugs. "Michael Jackson was not a druggie. There was no cocaine or anything crazy like that. It was prescription drugs and painkillers from what I understand."

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...00907115327444



Virginia Family Says Michael Jackson Hid Out In Their Home

"The couple witnessed odd behavior too. The windows were taped up so no one could see in. They say Jackson slept during the day and roamed the house at night. 9NEWS NOW asked if they suspected drug use back then.
Robin Walters said, "There was something making him sleep, don't know if it were drugs but something to get him off the world for a moment."

http://www.wusa9.com/news/watercoole...8893&catid=148



Bodyguard: Michael Was Addicted to Prescriptions

Michael Jackson's former bodyguard, Mike La Perruque, claims that Michael had a problem with prescription medication.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/enterta...National_.html



Dr. Susan Etok: British doctor claims she was offered £500k to supply Michael Jackson with drugs for his O2 shows


A British woman has told how Michael Jackson offered her £500,000 to supply a shopping list of dangerous drugs to see him through his O2 shows.
Dr Susan Etok said ***** summoned her to a clandestine 90-minute meeting at a top London hotel, where he made the extraordinary proposal.
Desperate and agitated, he begged her to use her contacts in the UK to obtain a cocktail of drugs including Diprivan and Demerol - the same ones suspected to have killed him - because he "couldn't trust a doctor here".
She said: "He kept saying, 'Are you going to do it for me, you are going to do it for me, aren't you?'. He was desperate, like a child begging his mum for sweets.
"Then he said, 'I don't care what it takes, I don't care how much money it takes - if it costs half a million, that's fine'." Susan, 32, has spoken out to reveal the truth about how serious the star's habit had become, and her story gives a chilling insight into his manipulation of those around him to get drugs.
....
"I got a call from a guy called Vince from the States on March 2, telling me to keep the 6th free. I did and met him outside a café at Paddington station. He was waiting in a black SUV with blacked-out windows. He took a roundabout way to the hotel, as if he wanted to be sure we weren't being followed."
She added: "Michael was waiting for me. He was in black trousers, a red cotton top and one of his black fedora hats with a hairnet on underneath. He looked the thinnest he'd ever been in the 11 years I'd known him. When I came in, he stood up and gave me a big hug."
Jackson made small talk then steered the chat to drugs.
"I was excited about the concerts. He was saying, 'Mmm, I know', but seemed reluctant - not like someone ready to do so many concerts. He kept talking about the 'pain' it caused him when people were unkind. And he seemed stressed out and upset - I felt like his counsellor. He started saying how he couldn't trust a doctor here and asked what would happen if the kids got sick.
"Then he turned it round and said, 'Do you think you could look after me?'" Susan then realised Jackson was referring to members of her family who worked in medicine.
She said: "Then he said there were medications he took in the States that he needed. He said the names but they didn't mean much to me.
"The one name I recognised was Diprivan. I knew it was something to do with anaesthetics and thought that seemed strange. But Michael kept saying, 'They're just routine'."
As well as Diprivan - suspected to have led to his death - the list included other restricted drugs. Susan said: "That's when I got really suspicious."
To escape the intense atmosphere in the suite she pretended she needed the toilet. But when she went to the star's bathroom, she discovered yet more addictive pills piled up in boxes next to the sink.
The stash included Sertraline, Lofepramine, another antidepressant, and Zopiclone, a hypnotic drug used to treat insomnia. The labels suggested a UK-based doctor was prescribing them.
She decided on the spot to put the boxes in her bag to keep them away from Jackson - and to check if they really were "just routine".
She still has them at home in case they are needed as evidence in the police inquiry into his death. She said: "In the end, I just told him, 'I'll sort you out' because I wanted to get out of there. One of his minders drove me back to Paddington."He told me, 'You're in a position to help Mike, so why don't you?' The implication was that it would be better for me if I did it."
Jackson was mobbed by fans that night as he took older children Prince Michael and Paris to see West End musical Oliver! But away from the cameras, he was ringing to check if Susan was OK with the deal.
She said: "Even then, I wasn't convinced he was an addict. I was wondering if maybe he was really sick, maybe he had cancer and he was dying. But he kept ringing for days afterwards. In the end, I had to switch my phone off."
Susan talked Jackson's proposal through with two trusted friends.
Then she emailed him on March 20, saying "Dude, I'm really sorry, I can't help you with what you asked me to do. I just don't feel that it is right and I don't want to get myself or anyone else into trouble.
"I don't think you're being fair putting me in that position. If you are sick in any way or you need help, get it sorted with your GP in the USA. I'm there for you if you need to talk but I can't help you if you don't tell me what is going on!!" She said the singer called back five days later on her birthday. "He told me not to worry - he would get someone else to help him out."
It was the last time they spoke. Now, Susan is due to fly to the US to meet the Jackson family. She has vowed to help them nail those they hold responsible for Michael's death.
She added: "I tried so hard to get him to seek help for his addiction - I just feel guilty I couldn't do more to save him."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-21583602/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3xV42lFh7U&NR=1





Six unrelated persons with the same opinion on Michael.
I guess - Michael has needed professional help (detox)/someone to break this vicious circle he was in - already a long time ago.:(
 
Like I have said time and time again. Maybe MJ did play a part in his death. BUT a big a** BUT. HE IS DEAD. HE PAID THE ULTIMATE PRICE. He was not in this alone. A doctor who knew better decided to forego all ethics and administer the drug. Say for instance nothing was wrong with him giving MJ the drug at home. THE IDIOT DID NOT MONITOR MICHAEL THE WAY HE WAS SUPPOSE TO. IF he did he would have been able to bring him back probably with oxygen. IF HE WAS IN THE ROOM OR IF HE STEPPED OUT FOR TWO MINUTES. Yeah right.
So true. In the end, it all falls on Murray. HE IS THE DOCTOR and the one who is in controll. Like I said, if I were to ask a doctor for Morphin for a headache does NOT mean he should give it to me because he/she knows you do NOT treat a headache with morphin.
 
I do not know why Mj had to use this drug for sleep. There are plenty of treatments for sleep. Now look, MJ is sleeping real good now. DAM
 
God, MJ suffered from meds between 2000 and 2003 and we don't know what was the medical justifications back then .

the autopsy state he had healthy organs , strong heart, kindneys and liver . NO WAY an addict especially someone who had been addicted for ten years was gonna have healthy organs .

an addict does not have a healthy body .

he suffered for a short period of time and got help back then, all of them talk about the same period and even if mj indeed was all the times on meds for only three years back then , hid organs would have been damaged .
 
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