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MJ's Team Shutting out & Blockin the Family?

if u are an addict and u go to rehab...be it last yr or twenty yrs ago. u are still considered an addict b/cu can always fall under addiction again. that's what people HERE are trying to say.

he went to rehab in 93

he admitted under oath he was out of it formost of 03....
 
Moddie777 said:
Thanks soso Deaf!

So much of the truth is now right in the faces of many fans who still refuse to see it as fact and the sad part is, Michael himself through the years told us alot of information about what
was really happening in his life and around him.
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I am not 'still refusing to believe facts', we are talking about Michael now, not a few years ago. The guy in the This Is It trailer did not look like a full blown drug addict to me.

It is my opinion, you have yours, I disagree with your take on the situation. If you have facts that prove Michael was a full blown drug addict with no will of his own in 2009 then I will listen to those facts.
 
Seven said:
I am not 'still refusing to believe facts', we are talking about Michael now, not a few years ago. The guy in the This Is It trailer did not look like a full blown drug addict to me.

It is my opinion, you have yours, I disagree with your take on the situation. If you have facts that prove Michael was a full blown drug addict with no will of his own in 2009 then I will listen to those facts.
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Huh? Seven? I believe you have misinterpreted my response to soso deaf.

I have NEVER called Michael Jackson a Drug Addict! NEVER.

The truth and facts I was eluding too are all the information thats available in Michael's owm words about, people trying to kill him, the conspiracy of the Sony Catalogue, being isolated and manipulated by his own team according to family and leonard rowe, etc.

I hope this can shed some light...
 
oh a person who cannot sleep and has anxiety attacks can be anyone on this board. the fact that mj went to rehab states he's an addict. now whether or not he was clean at the tod is another thing. but once u are an addict, u r one for life. there's no going back. u always have a chance in relapsing.

ugh like how the globe tab, when mj went to them, he was so adamant about not using anything for the pain. meaning he knew he shouldn't, he fought hard, an dhe didn't medicate even though he was in immense pain. shows he knows that it just takes on pill to go back on that road.
 
Soso Deaf said:
oh a person who cannot sleep and has anxiety attacks can be anyone on this board. the fact that mj went to rehab states he's an addict. now whether or not he was clean at the tod is another thing. but once u are an addict, u r one for life. there's no going back. u always have a chance in relapsing.

ugh like how the globe tab, when mj went to them, he was so adamant about not using anything for the pain. meaning he knew he shouldn't, he fought hard, an dhe didn't medicate even though he was in immense pain. shows he knows that it just takes on pill to go back on that road.
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Whats the globe tab?:scratch:And the rest of the story? When was this?
Sorry- Its just a lot of things I am not familiar with.:)
 
Soso Deaf said:
u cannot expect him to think they were doing this FOR him and not for them. everytime someone needs something, they go to him. maybe he was tired of being that person.

maybe he didnt want them around cuz he didnt want them to have the opp. to ask him for something. u gotta think, is their motive totally pure? and maybe, based on the past, he didnt think so
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Sadly you are right.

They used him so much for so long...He shut them out at the end. At a time that they should have been there to help him, they weren't allowed to be.

He got tired of being used and taken advantage by his family.

As sad as this may sound, I am convinced after everything he went through here on earth, MJ is in a far better place now.

The ones that truly lose in all this are his poor children...they never wanted anything but love from him.
 
Soso Deaf said:
it wasn't all done by force...he willingly kept some family away from him


world of Jax & robbers
Singer says his brother and pal tried to cheat him out of fortune
BY THOMAS ZAMBITO
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Sunday, June 17th 2007, 4:00 AM


Michael Jackson claims he was nearly swindled out of his fortune during his kiddie-sex trial and only the wise counsel of the Rev. Jesse Jackson and billionaire Ron Burkle saved him.
The behind-the-scenes battle over the pop star's finances is detailed in a sworn deposition he gave for a federal lawsuit scheduled to go to trial this week.
There is a possibility that Jackson himself might even be called to testify.
The seven hours of transcripts obtained by the Daily News reveal that the agitated entertainer was convinced his money woes were fueled by a cadre of disloyal advisers who stole from him while he was busy fighting criminal charges.
The Gloved One even fingered a man close to his older brother Randy as a key villain.
It was an ordeal that left Jackson bitter about the industry in which he's spent his entire life.
"It's full of sharks, charlatans and imposters," he said in testimony taken last summer in Paris.
"Because there's a lot of money involved, there's a bunch of schmucks in there," Jackson said. "It's the entertainment world, full of thieves and crooks. That's not new. Everybody knows that."
A Santa Maria, Calif., jury acquitted him of child molestation charges in June 2005, after which he retreated into the seclusion of his Neverland ranch.
But during breaks in the trial, Jackson says he was being pressured to sign off on a multimillion-dollar financing deal by Don Stabler, an associate brought in by brother Randy, his go-to guy on financial matters during much of his career.
Jackson initially took a liking to Stabler after Randy introduced them.
"He reminded me of people that live in mid-America like Indiana," Jackson testified.
Stabler was persistent, at one point during the trial sending a message through one of Jackson's Nation of Islam security guards that questioned the singer's faithfulness to his African-American heritage.
It was a sore point for someone who has denied he purposely lightened his skin.
By then, Jackson had turned to Burkle, the billionaire pal of former President Bill Clinton, for financial help. Burkle brought in Jesse Jackson, who's known Michael Jackson since his Jackson 5 days, to help with the consultation.
Burkle was calling him on the cell phone during bathroom breaks, warning him not to sign anything, Michael Jackson said.
Stabler wasn't happy, Jackson said.
"[Stabler] said, 'What's the problem? You're not down, you're with the Jews now. You're not down with blacks anymore,'" Jackson testified.
"It was unkind," Jackson added. "It was mean. It was meanspirited. It was nasty. Simply because he couldn't get me to sign something that he wanted me to sign."
The next time Jackson saw Stabler "he wanted to take my head off." And his brother Randy wasn't too happy, either.
Randy later claimed that Jackson and his staff had run up a $700,000 bill on his American Express card during the trial, which Jackson said he would repay.
It wasn't the first time that Stabler teamed with Randy in trying to get him to sign off on a deal, Jackson claimed.
At a meeting in a bungalow at the Neverland ranch, Jackson said he had his mother at his side when he fought off another proposal.
"And I vehemently told them, 'No, I am not signing this,'" Jackson recalled. "And I just remember how angry, the intensity of the anger in the room. And so they marched out."
Jackson made his comments when he was grilled by lawyers for the Hackensack, N.J., finance company that is suing the singer in Manhattan Federal Court. The firm, Prescient Acquisition, is owned by businessman Darien Dash, who claims Jackson stiffed his company out of $48 million.
According to Dash's lawyer Steven Altman, Dash was due the money for helping Jackson refinance a $272 million bank loan and secure $573 million in financing to buy out Sony's half of the Beatles' song catalogue that Jackson co-owned.
But Jackson claimed he's never heard of Dash, a cousin of hip-hop impresario Damon Dash, and doesn't remember signing any agreement.


tzambito@nydailynews.com

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2007/06/...__robbers_.html
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MichaelsBlackPanther79 said:
I am just surprised that some of you actually think he was weak minded and so easy to manipulate. Have any of you thought that maybe he didn't want to be around his family because of things that they have done to him?
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Thank you. Michael didn't need anyone in his circle to tell him to keep his family away. At a very young age they put way too many responsibiliies on HIS shoulders. Once he broke free from Motown and then from his father managing his career he did AT TIMES block certain people from having access to him because he KNEW they weren't calling just to say HI.

My father has two brothers and two sisters that he barely speak to because whenever they call they ALWAYS ask him for something... who wants that all the time? Now imagine your Mike, the BIGGEST moneymaker in the family and Jermaine is calling you, writing u letters begging you to do the Jackson Family Honors? What if it's Joe in the phone asking you for a half a million for some bullshit business deal? What if it's Randy asking u to set up some website in YOUR name, then put your name on the line with the fans when the whole thing falls apart because Randy was shitty at managing the operations? I wouldn't want to talk to them either...


The ONLY difference is that Michael had folks who could answer his phones and tell those who called, the ones Michael has specifically told his employees that he does NOT want to speak to, that he's unavailable. THAT is probably why Toya might have thought it was others blocking them from seeing him. I'm willing to bet that was Mike's call.
 
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It doesn't matter if he stop using drugs at one point he still considered a addict.I didn't know anything about his problems with Prescriptions drugs until he died.It saddens me that nobody help him.But he was known to shut people out so what can you do =/ He didn't die from the Prescriptions drugs but from Propofol . To the point that he needed Propofol to sleep something was seriously not right with him.
 
Soso Deaf said:
it wasn't all done by force...he willingly kept some family away from him


world of Jax & robbers
Singer says his brother and pal tried to cheat him out of fortune
BY THOMAS ZAMBITO
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Sunday, June 17th 2007, 4:00 AM


Michael Jackson claims he was nearly swindled out of his fortune during his kiddie-sex trial and only the wise counsel of the Rev. Jesse Jackson and billionaire Ron Burkle saved him.
The behind-the-scenes battle over the pop star's finances is detailed in a sworn deposition he gave for a federal lawsuit scheduled to go to trial this week.
There is a possibility that Jackson himself might even be called to testify.
The seven hours of transcripts obtained by the Daily News reveal that the agitated entertainer was convinced his money woes were fueled by a cadre of disloyal advisers who stole from him while he was busy fighting criminal charges.
The Gloved One even fingered a man close to his older brother Randy as a key villain.
It was an ordeal that left Jackson bitter about the industry in which he's spent his entire life.
"It's full of sharks, charlatans and imposters," he said in testimony taken last summer in Paris.
"Because there's a lot of money involved, there's a bunch of schmucks in there," Jackson said. "It's the entertainment world, full of thieves and crooks. That's not new. Everybody knows that."
A Santa Maria, Calif., jury acquitted him of child molestation charges in June 2005, after which he retreated into the seclusion of his Neverland ranch.
But during breaks in the trial, Jackson says he was being pressured to sign off on a multimillion-dollar financing deal by Don Stabler, an associate brought in by brother Randy, his go-to guy on financial matters during much of his career.
Jackson initially took a liking to Stabler after Randy introduced them.
"He reminded me of people that live in mid-America like Indiana," Jackson testified.
Stabler was persistent, at one point during the trial sending a message through one of Jackson's Nation of Islam security guards that questioned the singer's faithfulness to his African-American heritage.
It was a sore point for someone who has denied he purposely lightened his skin.
By then, Jackson had turned to Burkle, the billionaire pal of former President Bill Clinton, for financial help. Burkle brought in Jesse Jackson, who's known Michael Jackson since his Jackson 5 days, to help with the consultation.
Burkle was calling him on the cell phone during bathroom breaks, warning him not to sign anything, Michael Jackson said.
Stabler wasn't happy, Jackson said.
"[Stabler] said, 'What's the problem? You're not down, you're with the Jews now. You're not down with blacks anymore,'" Jackson testified.
"It was unkind," Jackson added. "It was mean. It was meanspirited. It was nasty. Simply because he couldn't get me to sign something that he wanted me to sign."
The next time Jackson saw Stabler "he wanted to take my head off." And his brother Randy wasn't too happy, either.
Randy later claimed that Jackson and his staff had run up a $700,000 bill on his American Express card during the trial, which Jackson said he would repay.
It wasn't the first time that Stabler teamed with Randy in trying to get him to sign off on a deal, Jackson claimed.
At a meeting in a bungalow at the Neverland ranch, Jackson said he had his mother at his side when he fought off another proposal.
"And I vehemently told them, 'No, I am not signing this,'" Jackson recalled. "And I just remember how angry, the intensity of the anger in the room. And so they marched out."
Jackson made his comments when he was grilled by lawyers for the Hackensack, N.J., finance company that is suing the singer in Manhattan Federal Court. The firm, Prescient Acquisition, is owned by businessman Darien Dash, who claims Jackson stiffed his company out of $48 million.
According to Dash's lawyer Steven Altman, Dash was due the money for helping Jackson refinance a $272 million bank loan and secure $573 million in financing to buy out Sony's half of the Beatles' song catalogue that Jackson co-owned.
But Jackson claimed he's never heard of Dash, a cousin of hip-hop impresario Damon Dash, and doesn't remember signing any agreement.


tzambito@nydailynews.com

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2007/06/...__robbers_.html
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yea the 400 million in debt wasn't all or most of it because MJ was over spending. people stole from him especially during the trial.

not to mention the various frivolous law suits that he had to deal with year to year and having to pay his lawyers, entourage, etc....

and the media makes it out that MJ himself was going on a million dollar shopping spree everyday and therefore he was in that much debt.

why won't people ever see things in context, instead of being so quick to jump on him and blame everything on him.

if mj did shut out his family for 7 years..... good for him. the way some of his family members have treated him over the years... why are we even surprised?
 
StephluvsMJ said:
Depak Chropa stated that Michael asked him for Oxycontin, but says he hasn't spoken to Michael since 2005. Brian Oxman stated that Michael was surrounded by enablers, but he hasn't seen Michael since the trial.

After the trial Michael went to Bahrain. Jermaine said Michael went there to get away and find peace. I believe he was there to get his life back on track and "sober up". People surrounding Michael after he moved to Bahrain up until this point have stated that Michael was in great health, and that they didn't see any signs of dependency on drugs. Every body from Lou Ferringo, to Carrie Fisher, to Frank Dileo, to Raymone Bain, to Travis Payne, to everybody working on the this is it show have stated that Michael was in perfect health. the next.
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Deepak Chopra said that MJ stayed in his house for a week _after_ the trial, and that

that he sounded very good on the phone during the last few weeks prior to June 25th.

He didn't say not to have spoken with MJ since 2005.

Lou Ferrigno hasn't been very consistent with his statements. A well known

reporter said on CNN the day of the memorial that he had interviewed Lou,

and that he told him to have met only once with MJ. So, I wouldn't go by

anything he says.
 
mjjfan4ever said:
yea the 400 million in debt wasn't all or most of it because MJ was over spending. people stole from him especially during the trial.

not to mention the various frivolous law suits that he had to deal with year to year and having to pay his lawyers, entourage, etc....

and the media makes it out that MJ himself was going on a million dollar shopping spree everyday and therefore he was in that much debt.

why won't people ever see things in context, instead of being so quick to jump on him and blame everything on him.

if mj did shut out his family for 7 years..... good for him. the way some of his family members have treated him over the years... why are we even surprised?
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You are right. Many of Michael's own handlers STOLE from him. They closed him in, sedated him and while forcing these drugs on him, they took from him without his consent and knowledge. There is no telling what he was made to sign during these times.
Prooving this in a court of law will be the challenge.
 
no it wont he said in a deposition that he signed things in 03 under the influence. so if that was true, what's to say his status was any different in 02? however that doesn't make one bit of difference cuz his will is the same as it was in 97 cept the twolittle ones. so it would be backdated

any and all contracts he signed would be void and the family wouldn't do that cuz tii is too lucrative so is the album it's makignmoeny for the estate.
 
Soso Deaf said:
no it wont he said in a deposition that he signed things in 03 under the influence. so if that was true, what's to say his status was any different in 02? however that doesn't make one bit of difference cuz his will is the same as it was in 97 cept the twolittle ones. so it would be backdated

any and all contracts he signed would be void and the family wouldn't do that cuz tii is too lucrative so is the album it's makignmoeny for the estate.
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Yep, the crooks knew how to "prearrange" things so the Jackson family wouldn't or couldn't challenge them and win.
 
y would they challenge something? cuz if htey did, they sure as hell wouldn't get a damn thing. it goes to his kids, his kids go to debbie and the family is sol. they figured that out now. that's y it was dropped
 
Michael was a very smart and wise man. I believe he himself chose to keep certain family members out (knowing what has happened in the past).

I don't for one second believe he's easy to manipulate however did people say things to him against his family? Very likely.
 
he was very easy to manipulate. all u hadto do was plant a seed. a smalllie about someone and then lie and lie and then he'd fire them and the liar would come into their place. it happed all the time
 
Soso Deaf said:
he was very easy to manipulate. all u hadto do was plant a seed. a smalllie about someone and then lie and lie and then he'd fire them and the liar would come into their place. it happed all the time
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I meant as in decisions about his career.
 
^ then he just had luck working from time to time with ppl who , well let say are not agaist him, if not having his best interests?

actually my opinion is very close to yours... just wonder how he managed to survive


maybe sometimes it's better to be used by the family...

in other threads i read Michael didn't want Dileo - do you think so?
 
DanceOfZenab1994 said:
No.

He was very smart when it came to business.
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DanceofZenab I think both you and soso deaf are right. I have heard for years; ibehind close doors with his team/entourage Michael was very, very easily manipulated and controled but when conducting business as in meetings or board room kinda stuff, he thought out of the box and carried his own weight. I also read somewhere years ago, he had a shrewed buisness sense at times.

If this is correct. Neither you nor soso deaf are wrong. You are both right.
 
he's smart but then he takes something good and gives poa to someone who's not looking out for him.

i don't think that many set out to work for hima nd screw him over. but once the opportunity presents itself, they do it. i trust branca. he's one of few.

and i don't think he set out to have dileo as a manager again, just as a 'consultant' and it turnedi nto something much much bigger.

u got frank singing stuff on behalf of thewhole family, firing thome, firing murray and chase, thenbringing them back, it's all a mess
 
I was watching that video of Michael being recorded on his words about Thome Thome, and in the video, it was mentioned that Thome tried keeping Michael's family and friends away from him.

But in the media, they're blamin Michael for keeping the family away on his own will.

Was Michael really keepin the family away on his "own will?" Or was it the people around him blockin people from him, making it seem like it was Michael pushing people away....I wonder....
 
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Soso Deaf said:
he's smart but then he takes something good and gives poa to someone who's not looking out for him.

i don't think that many set out to work for hima nd screw him over. but once the opportunity presents itself, they do it. i trust branca. he's one of few.

and i don't think he set out to have dileo as a manager again, just as a 'consultant' and it turnedi nto something much much bigger.

u got frank singing stuff on behalf of thewhole family, firing thome, firing murray and chase, thenbringing them back, it's all a mess
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Moddie777 said:
DanceofZenab I think both you and soso deaf are right. I have heard for years; ibehind close doors with his team/entourage Michael was very, very easily manipulated and controled but when conducting business as in meetings or board room kinda stuff, he thought out of the box and carried his own weight. I also read somewhere years ago, he had a shrewed buisness sense at times.

If this is correct. Neither you nor soso deaf are wrong. You are both right.
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I do believe he could be manipulated as we know about some situations but you can't survive all these years based on manipulation. Also, when he was, it wasn't like someone came up and said "nah...that guy aint no good" and that guy was fired just like that. They are screwed up enough to come up with well thought out, calculated, convincing stories. Sad.

Also, when he felt really strongly about something, there was just no point in talking him out/in of it because he was very stubborn sometimes.

E.G. Jacksons and crappy companies been begging him for a reunion for how long?

It really just depends on the situation. I can't deny that he was manipulated because that would make me blind but i'm not too sure about the easily part.
 
Zori said:
^ then he just had luck working from time to time with ppl who , well let say are not agaist him, if not having his best interests?

actually my opinion is very close to yours... just wonder how he managed to survive


maybe sometimes it's better to be used by the family...

in other threads i read Michael didn't want Dileo - do you think so?
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I have heard the same thing too. Michael didn't want Frank back in officially as his Manager. Frank and Frank's right hand ( a female older fan) were the only ones promoting Frank being back in the saddle with Michael.

I even heard, in the last few weeks of Michael's life, Frank was doing some major blocking of people Michael himself requested to see. If this is true, I hope to God fans aren't the only ones who know.
 
Michael could be very stubborn sometimes but also naive when he trusted someone.
With the song Morphine Michael told the world that he had problems. The terms abuse and addiction have been defined and re-defined over the years. I would not say MJ was a Drug addict like those who have cocaine addiction, methamphetamine addiction, or even heroin addiction. It’s not even comparable. Iindividuals with severe chronic pain (Like Michael) taking opiate medications like morphine will need to continually increase the dose in order to maintain the drug's analgesic (pain-relieving) effects. It was not his fault he had to take it to live a normal life without pain and someone gave it to him. The problem is that people who claimed to be there for him used him to get what they wanted.
 
I believe he had enablers around. I believed that story years ago when I heard it. The problem I have with the Jackson why didn't they just go for broke if they felt Michael was in so much trouble? Don't get turned away the gate. Let there be a big stink made. Let Michael get mad. But save his life. Like Cissy did with Whitney. I think too many people were scared to piss him off and the public to see.
 
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