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we have so many names. Some of them non stop talking... other we hardly even heard about. Some pritend to be Mj's best friends. Other were just employees, but probably the one who really cared for Michael's well being. i am a bit confused. Please tell who you believe from this list, who are on Michael's side and speak the truth:

Leonard Rowe
Tohme Tohme
Al Malnik
Fripo Carr
Mark Lester
Arnie Klein
Lou Ferrigno - fitness trainer
Randy Phillips
Kenny Ortega
Travis Payne
Christian Audigier - designer
Travis Payne
Karen Faye
Kai Chase - chef
Cherilyn Lee
Grace
Frank Dileo
Raymone Bain
Deepak Choprah
Jesse Jackson
David Gest
Shana Mangatal
Miko Brando
Brett Ratner
Chris Tucker
Alberto Alvarez
Michael Amir


What you think?
 
Okay here is what I think:

Leonard Rowe - No
Tohme Tohme - No
Al Malnik - No
Fripo Carr - Yes
Mark Lester - Yes, while MJ was alive.
Arnie Klein - No
Lou Ferrigno - fitness trainer - Yes
Randy Phillips - No $$$ I do not thionk he liked MJ.
Kenny Ortega - No $$$ FAKE
Travis Payne - No $$$ FAKE
Christian Audigier - designer - Yes
Karen Faye - Yes, but I just don't trust her.
Kai Chase - chef - Yes, but why was she let go then returned?
Cherilyn Lee - No, possibly lying about the Propofol incident.
Grace - No
Frank Dileo - No, possibly a mole all along?
Raymone Bain - No, but I now feel maybe MJ should have kept her around.
Deepak Choprah - No, Media whore
Jesse Jackson - No, but meant MJ no harm. Possibly tried to recruit MJ into the Boulé.
David Gest - Yes
Shana Mangatal - Yes, Possibly linked romantically with MJ.
Brett Ratner - Yes, could he know something?
Chris Tucker - Yes, could he too know something; very quiet.
Alberto Alvarez - No
Michael Amir - No
 
It is hard to figure out.

Firpo Carr, who recently recieved news about the ongoing investigation said, "Prepare yourself to enter a multidimensional array of mind-boggling mazes and lurid labyrinths where good guys and bad guys swap roles."

We'll have to wait and see. For now, we just stick to the perceptions we already have in our head from everything we know and and have heard so far.
 
Leonard Rowe NO
Tohme Tohme KINDA
Al Malnik HELL NO
Fripo Carr MEDIA WHORE
Mark Lester MEDIA WHORE
Arnie Klein MEDIA WHORE, BAD DOCTOR, CONTRIBUTED TO PROBLEMS
Lou Ferrigno - fitness trainer INDIFFERENT
Randy Phillips HELL NO
Kenny Ortega HELL NO
Travis Payne NO
Christian Audigier - designer MEDIA WHORE
Travis Payne REPEAT NO
Karen Faye HELL TO THE G'D NO TO THE PHUCKY NO
Kai Chase - chef NO LIAR
Cherilyn Lee NO LIAR
Grace CRAZY PSYCHO NO
Frank Dileo ABSOLUTELY NOT CO-CONSPIRATOR
Raymone Bain NOPE
Deepak Choprah MEDIA WHORE
Jesse Jackson MEDIA WHORE BUT NOT BAD
David Gest MEDIA WHORE
Shana Mangatal UM...DROP THE MEDIA
Miko Brando YES
Brett Ratner YES
Chris Tucker YES
Alberto Alvarez YES
Michael Amir YES
 
Wow! We do not know who was the true friends of Michael. No one lived with him 24 hours to know what happened. I think we can create an image of people in this list according to what we see and read in the press. The press mostly untrue. Only Michael knows who was their real friends and no one else.
 
I think Miko Brando, Brett Ratner and Chris Tucker were and are(!) true friends, in life and death. Many of the people were friendly when MJ was alive but once he's dead they show their true faces. And then there are lots of people that I have doubts about ( Soso summed them up with two words per person, LOL).
It saddens me when I look at this list because the vast majority had their own agenda and not MJ's best interest at heart.
 
I've missed out a few as I don't know their full background so I don't think it would be right for me to judge them. But in my opinion...

Tohme Tohme - No
Mark Lester - Until he passed. But then he just saw it as an opportunity to get his name in the papers.
Arnie Klein - No, he's not even the slightest bit convincing
Lou Ferrigno - fitness trainer - Yes
Randy Phillips - Nope
Kenny Ortega - Yes
Karen Faye - Interesting one. Before his death, yeah - why else would he keep her on for so long? After death, I think she's been very disrespectful
Frank Dileo - Convincing but no
Deepak Choprah - Erm.... unsure
Jesse Jackson - Yes
David Gest - Yes but he needs to stop popping up every time something to do with Michael is on TV
Miko Brando - Yes
Brett Ratner - Yes
Chris Tucker - Yes

I only know so much about the others so I don't want to comment on somebody I have no idea about.
 
Soso Deaf said:
Leonard Rowe NO
Tohme Tohme KINDA
Al Malnik HELL NO
Fripo Carr MEDIA WHORE
Mark Lester MEDIA WHORE
Arnie Klein MEDIA WHORE, BAD DOCTOR, CONTRIBUTED TO PROBLEMS
Lou Ferrigno - fitness trainer INDIFFERENT
Randy Phillips HELL NO
Kenny Ortega HELL NO
Travis Payne NO
Christian Audigier - designer MEDIA WHORE
Travis Payne REPEAT NO
Karen Faye HELL TO THE G'D NO TO THE PHUCKY NO
Kai Chase - chef NO LIAR
Cherilyn Lee NO LIAR
Grace CRAZY PSYCHO NO
Frank Dileo ABSOLUTELY NOT CO-CONSPIRATOR
Raymone Bain NOPE
Deepak Choprah MEDIA WHORE
Jesse Jackson MEDIA WHORE BUT NOT BAD
David Gest MEDIA WHORE
Shana Mangatal UM...DROP THE MEDIA
Miko Brando YES
Brett Ratner YES
Chris Tucker YES
Alberto Alvarez YES
Michael Amir YES
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Your answers made me laugh.
 
ReneeM said:
I say yes. He defended Michael when people in the media tried to get him to say negative things.

I don't know how some of you are coming to these conclusions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DQzxqXBK4k
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I saw that and I liked the tribute song he wrote as well, if it's available, I wish everyone would download it and send the message out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMJ82Nzdh6I

As to the list, I've got thoughts, but I don't really know for sure, so don't want to say yet, it's interesting to see what people are thinking though.

Soso Deaf said:
Al Malnik HELL NO
Brett Ratner YES
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I'm curious about why these two are a Hell No & a Yes, given how close the two of them are?
 
Sadly Michael had very few true friends. Most of his 'friends' sold him out for money and were backstabbers.
 
Moonlight said:
I saw that and I liked the tribute song he wrote as well, if it's available, I wish everyone would download it and send the message out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMJ82Nzdh6I

As to the list, I've got thoughts, but I don't really know for sure, so don't want to say yet, it's interesting to see what people are thinking though.



I'm curious about why these two are a Hell No & a Yes, given how close the two of them are?
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Thank you posting the tribute link. It was very nice. I will send it to friends. :)
 
Couldn't say for sure..

I don't feel like Kenny Ortega was a "fake friend" of course I do not have all the facts, I've not read any articles about him or watched him on tv. I do know he had plenty money before he was working on "this is it". Then again some people can never have enough money.


Mark Lester.. I thought him and Michael were great buddies, but then he started talking after Michael died.. I didn't like that so much.


I honestly think the only TRUE FRIEND Michael has was Elizabeth Taylor.
 
HemlockDevi said:
Okay here is what I think:

Leonard Rowe - No
Tohme Tohme - No
Al Malnik - No
Fripo Carr - Yes
Mark Lester - Yes, while MJ was alive.
Arnie Klein - No
Lou Ferrigno - fitness trainer - Yes
Randy Phillips - No $$$ I do not thionk he liked MJ.
Kenny Ortega - No $$$ FAKE
Travis Payne - No $$$ FAKE
Christian Audigier - designer - Yes
Karen Faye - Yes, but I just don't trust her.
Kai Chase - chef - Yes, but why was she let go then returned?
Cherilyn Lee - No, possibly lying about the Propofol incident.
Grace - No
Frank Dileo - No, possibly a mole all along?
Raymone Bain - No, but I now feel maybe MJ should have kept her around.
Deepak Choprah - No, Media whore
Jesse Jackson - No, but meant MJ no harm. Possibly tried to recruit MJ into the Boulé.
David Gest - Yes
Shana Mangatal - Yes, Possibly linked romantically with MJ.
Brett Ratner - Yes, could he know something?
Chris Tucker - Yes, could he too know something; very quiet.
Alberto Alvarez - No
Michael Amir - No
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What is the Boulé that Jesse possibly tried to recruit MJ into?

As for Kenny Ortega, are you saying he only saw MJ as $$$? Why do you think so?

The same question regarding Travis Payne. Why did you put that he was a FAKE and $$$? Do you think he's another person who only saw MJ as $$$?

Finally as for Cherilyn Lee, I know that she's the lady that claimed MJ called her a couple nights before he died saying he was hot on one side and cold on another. But other than that I don't know much. Why do you think she's a liar? Very interesting that both you and Soso Deaf put her as a liar.

Soso Deaf said:
Leonard Rowe NO
Tohme Tohme KINDA
Al Malnik HELL NO
Fripo Carr MEDIA WHORE
Mark Lester MEDIA WHORE
Arnie Klein MEDIA WHORE, BAD DOCTOR, CONTRIBUTED TO PROBLEMS
Lou Ferrigno - fitness trainer INDIFFERENT
Randy Phillips HELL NO
Kenny Ortega HELL NO
Travis Payne NO
Christian Audigier - designer MEDIA WHORE
Travis Payne REPEAT NO
Karen Faye HELL TO THE G'D NO TO THE PHUCKY NO
Kai Chase - chef NO LIAR
Cherilyn Lee NO LIAR
Grace CRAZY PSYCHO NO
Frank Dileo ABSOLUTELY NOT CO-CONSPIRATOR
Raymone Bain NOPE
Deepak Choprah MEDIA WHORE
Jesse Jackson MEDIA WHORE BUT NOT BAD
David Gest MEDIA WHORE
Shana Mangatal UM...DROP THE MEDIA
Miko Brando YES
Brett Ratner YES
Chris Tucker YES
Alberto Alvarez YES
Michael Amir YES
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The Shana Mangatal answer had me :lmao: Curious why you say that though. :ninja:

Ok, I'm wondering about your answers for Travis Payne, Kenny Ortega, Al Malnik, Kai Chase, Cherilyn Lee and Frank Dileo especially (I really want to know what you mean by the co-conspirator part). Also how did Arnie Klien contribute to MJ's problems. Can you explain why you put those answers?
 
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Re: Who are friends, Who are not?

As for Cherilyn Lee, I just read this by Dr. Firpo Carr about her:

AmberR said:
The Nurse: And then there's Michael's one-time nurse, Cherilyn Lee. In her appearances on numerous national television shows she stated that Michael "begged" her for drugs. When I challenged her on national TV and finally confronted her on the Nancy Grace show (neither she nor I was aware that we would be appearing together on this CNN program), she backed off her position and said that Michael didn't beg her after all. Interestingly, according to the warrant she says that Michael simply "asked her [not begged her] if she could get propofol." Suddenly, though, the plot takes an unexpected turn here. While Lee says she refused Michael's request, the warrant says that "Jackson stated that Doctor Cherilyn Lee [investigator's found out that she's really not a medical doctor] had been giving him a 'cocktail' to help him." It further states, "Murray believed the cocktail to be a propofol (diprivan) mix."
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I was wundering why sum of u dnt think Karen Faye was a frend to Michael... I havent heard anything negative.... Just wundering is all....What has she done or not done???
 
PYTnz said:
I was wundering why sum of u dnt think Karen Faye was a frend to Michael... I havent heard anything negative.... Just wundering is all....What has she done or not done???
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Just to give you one example, she took pictures of Michael's grave and sold them to the media.
 
I'm not assuming that those who have kept quiet are necessarily

good friends, and that those who may have spoken too much at

times are not. That's too simple, imo.
 
MJJ:G.O.A.T said:
What is the Boulé that Jesse possibly tried to recruit MJ into?

As for Kenny Ortega, are you saying he only saw MJ as $$$? Why do you think so?

The same question regarding Travis Payne. Why did you put that he was a FAKE and $$$? Do you think he's another person who only saw MJ as $$$?

Finally as for Cherilyn Lee, I know that she's the lady that claimed MJ called her a couple nights before he died saying he was hot on one side and cold on another. But other than that I don't know much. Why do you think she's a liar? Very interesting that both you and Soso Deaf put her as a liar.
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Cherilyn Lee

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTE1MTkwNzk2.html

If what she says is true; why all the "drama"? Example why was the 911 call not made for 50 minutes? Why was the call not made by Murray?
Why did Murray(a Cardiologist) not know how to perform CPR? Why did he not sign the death certificate as Michael Jackson's "doctor"? Also why was Murray not the physician having this propofol discussion MJ?

Was the "perfect" pitchwomen for the Michael Jackson "drug addict" propaganda via the major media. She was the "authority"(with no proof) that Michael Jackson phoned her and "begged for drugs." Of course I believe Michael Jackson was murdered so I do not trust her. IMO she is another player in this distraction away from the truth of what really happened on the 06-25-09.


Kenny Ortega & Tavis Payne

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnHFhdmWXx0&feature=player_embedded

IMO It was just a job(this is why I placed $$$ with their names) they seem not to be sincere and are making the rounds all the interviews with "crocodile tears" and "concern" notice they pretend to have noticed little and have no serious information nor revalations to what was really going on at the rehearsals. To me they were just promoting the TII Film.


The Boulé (Sigma Pi Phi)

Boulé is a Greek word meaning "Advisors to the King" or a lower house of Parliment.

Is a secret society(like Skull & Bones) of elite African American(AA)
Professionals and high profile people. Most (AA) Mayors Doctors College Professors and Politicians are in this group. Most (AA) are not aware that it even exist. Founded in 1904 it was the first (AA) fratunity in the USA. In the later entertainers and sports stars became members
(due to their increasing wealth) before only the "right" families were allowed membership. (limited to 5000) Some people believe this group has a more sinister tone as in one of the faces of the mythical Illuminati. While other praise their many charitable works and honors.

Here is the "Official History of the Boulé
http://www.sigma-pi-phi.net/home/history_of_the_boule.php

Here is an interesting article from the NYTs
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/03/07/style/is-there-a-black-upper-class.html?pagewanted=all

Invited to the White House
http://www.sigmapiphi.org/home/boul-leadership-meets-with-white-house-officials.php

Famous Boulé members were and are:

W. E. B. Du Bois(Scholar, Writer)
Kweisi Mfume(former NAACP President) Ralph Bunche
Andrew Young(Former Atlanta Mayor and UN Ambassator)
L. Douglas Wilder(former VA Govenor)
Ron Brown(former DNC Chairman)
Martin Luther King(civil rights leader)
Arthur Ashe(Tennis)
Mel Watt(Congressman)
Hank Aaron(Baseball)
Thurgood Marshall(Supreme Court)
Jessie Jackson(Politics)
Bill Cosby(Entertainer)
Bob Johnson(BET founder)
Barack Obama(President)
Henry Louis Gates(Harvard Professor)
Colin Powell(Former Joint Chieh of staff, Former Secretary of state)
It is rumoured that even Al Sharpton and even Conrad Murray may be "in the club".
 
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Thank you for the links.

HemlockDevi said:


If what she says is true; why all the "drama"? Example why was the 911 call not made for 50 minutes? Why was the call not made by Murray?[/SIZE][/B]
Why did Murray(a Cardiologist) not know how to perform CPR? Why did he not sign the death certificate as Michael Jackson's "doctor"?

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I don't believe that a cardiologist doesn't know how to do CPR properly.

I think that maybe by the time Murray realized that there was something

wrong with MJ , it could have been too late, and that then he panicked,

which could have led to the odd behavior of disappearing from the hospital, etc.
 
this Boulé - if i say it simply they are trying to rule the world? but are they nice guies or bad one? If Micael don't want to be part would they live him, or they will go after him? for example when we hear about NOI it's not in a good way. so how about this Boule
 
MJJLaugh said:
I think Miko Brando, Brett Ratner and Chris Tucker were and are(!) true friends, in life and death. Many of the people were friendly when MJ was alive but once he's dead they show their true faces. And then there are lots of people that I have doubts about ( Soso summed them up with two words per person, LOL).
It saddens me when I look at this list because the vast majority had their own agenda and not MJ's best interest at heart.
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indeed it is very sad that they didn't have his best interests at heart

i don't have strong opinions on all of them so I don't wish to comment on most but a lot of you have said what i already agree with regards those i do know about

I certainly think David Gest is a good friend but Mark Lester my opinions of him have definatley changed now after what he's done since MJ died

my opinions of the following are


Kenny Ortega - No I don't think so
Travis Payne - No idea
Christian Audigier - designer - no idea
Karen Faye - no
Kai Chase - chef - I have doubts
Cherilyn Lee - No,
Grace - No
Frank Dileo - No
Raymone Bain - No,
Deepak Choprah - No idea
Jesse Jackson - no don't think so not too sure
David Gest - Yes
Shana Mangatal - Yes
Brett Ratner - no idea
Chris Tucker - not too sure
Alberto Alvarez - No
Michael Amir - No
 
MJJ:G.O.A.T said:
Just to give you one example, she took pictures of Michael's grave and sold them to the media.
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she did WHATTTTT??? OMFG she never??? omg wow that's a terrible thing to do has no one any shame jeez I can't believe people would stoop that low good grief *rolls eyes*
 
She put the pictures on her Facebook page and later showed up

on TMZ. Isn't it possible that there are people from TMZ on her

Facebook page, as they are everywhere, and that they stole

the pictures?
 
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