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Was Michael Jackson really murdered? Who did it? Let's talk about it

HemlockDevi said:
Are you the same legendary Afrika from the old UK MJ Dotmusic Forum?


This is the plan. Nothing serious will happen. Conrad Murray will soon join the ranks of the Arvisos and Chandlers and Diane Diamond all rewarded for the lies and job they did against MJ. Also John Branca is getting ready to hand eveything back to SONY. This is part of why he was murdered. Also the big up front advance will line Branca and McClain's pockets not the Jackson's nor his children.



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Hemlockdevi , I’m not her. I used to be a member of mjnewsonline. Sadly they stopped the website.

Did you guys noticed how kind the racist media was towards the black doctor who killed MJ? Since when did the media care and feel sympathetic towards a black doctor? Remember kenya’s mother’s doctor who happen to be black as well. The media really wanted to see this man dead.
 
What I think is that Murray did not intend to kill Michael. I really don't believe that. What I do believe however is that this is a gross case of bad judgment and neglect. No matter what anyone wants to say about Michael asking for propofol, Dr. Murray should have refused and instead try to get MJ to go to a sleep clinic to find out why he was having so much trouble falling asleep. What Dr. Murray did was illegal first of all. He should not have been administering that or any anesthetic outside of a hospital, so he's already in trouble for that.

Also, why on earth did he administor CPR on a bed? And another thing that upsets me is the timeline! The timeline here is so suspicious! Murray keeps changing his story. I want to know why the heck he waited so long to call 911? He had all these excuses about how he couldn't get his cell phone to work and whatever else, but surely he could have used someone else's phone or gone over to a neighboor's house and used their phone. The hospital was just a few minutes away also, he waisted so much time and it just angers me! I don't buy his explanation.

I wonder when exactly MJ passed away? Because from the reports I read, Michael still had a faint pulse when he was found. I really believe if the paramedics had been called sooner there might have been a slight chance to still save Michael! Unfortunately, I believe by the time Murray finally dialed 911 and got help, it was already too late by the time the paramedics showed up :(.

But I want answers, as I know we all do! I have a feeling there's a lot Murray isn't saying here. I really want to know the truth about the timeline from when Murray gave propofol to when he noticed Michael wasn't breathing and what he did afterwards. It just really upsets me because none of this had to happen.
 
I just know that I am counting down the days to next year, the time they said the arrests should be made by, soon before or after.
 
Originally Posted by Afrika
Hemlockdevi , I’m not her. I used to be a member of mjnewsonline. Sadly they stopped the website.

Did you guys noticed how kind the racist media was towards the black doctor who killed MJ? Since when did the media care and feel sympathetic towards a black doctor? Remember kenya’s mother’s doctor who happen to be black as well. The media really wanted to see this man dead.
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Yes the Media has indeed nearly made Murray "disappear" in most topics concerning Michael Jackson.



kasume said:
I just know that I am counting down the days to next year, the time they said the arrests should be made by, soon before or after.
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It may never happen. I'm really starting to believe Murray walked in and MJ was already gone.:( Then in a panic he made many mistakes but was assured protection.
 
Cinnamon234 said:
What I think is that Murray did not intend to kill Michael. I really don't believe that. What I do believe however is that this is a gross case of bad judgment and neglect. No matter what anyone wants to say about Michael asking for propofol, Dr. Murray should have refused and instead try to get MJ to go to a sleep clinic to find out why he was having so much trouble falling asleep. What Dr. Murray did was illegal first of all. He should not have been administering that or any anesthetic outside of a hospital, so he's already in trouble for that.

Also, why on earth did he administor CPR on a bed? And another thing that upsets me is the timeline! The timeline here is so suspicious! Murray keeps changing his story. I want to know why the heck he waited so long to call 911? He had all these excuses about how he couldn't get his cell phone to work and whatever else, but surely he could have used someone else's phone or gone over to a neighboor's house and used their phone. The hospital was just a few minutes away also, he waisted so much time and it just angers me! I don't buy his explanation.

I wonder when exactly MJ passed away? Because from the reports I read, Michael still had a faint pulse when he was found. I really believe if the paramedics had been called sooner there might have been a slight chance to still save Michael! Unfortunately, I believe by the time Murray finally dialed 911 and got help, it was already too late by the time the paramedics showed up :(.

But I want answers, as I know we all do! I have a feeling there's a lot Murray isn't saying here. I really want to know the truth about the timeline from when Murray gave propofol to when he noticed Michael wasn't breathing and what he did afterwards. It just really upsets me because none of this had to happen.
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Actually Murray never called 911 it was a guard called "Tippy" who called after first :doh: calling Joe Jackson in Las Vegas. :no: Why not just call the paramdics?
 
yes Michael was really murdered and I hope that Murray rots in Hell...he is hear on this earth and Michael is not.....and I hate Murray for that.....
 
HemlockDevi said:
I thoght the exact same thing about the security footage. I too believe it is somebody's (VIP) trophy. Just as the 1993 strip search photos (which have not been destroyed nor returned) are in various Hollywood VIP's private collection.I remember even Geraldo said during the 2005 situation that he had seen those nude photos of Jackson. This was orchestrated( Names we would all recognize including alot of MJ's former associates and "friends") from the top. I also think he was being slowly poisoned not doped over a long period of time. Along the line Dick Gregory mentioned and the "doctors"(perfect assassins) would perscribe/manipulate Michael into taking this or that (as treatment)to "help" the suppose ailment. Michael's charactor and actions do not fit the "drug addict" claims.

These links illustrate why I think MJ was not the hypochondriac the media claims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIcE4H5lbUM&feature=related
Listen @ 7:47 Where MJ talks about Doctors.(Maybe hard to watch)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bewu6eio_DE
Michael Jackson's Healing Tape to Mr. Morita( This is not the man that would embrace drug addiction. Listen @ 2:40


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I can't watch either of those videos as they are no longer there. Do you have another link
 
It looks like youTube keeps removing some important information about MJ.
 
Asedora said:
It looks like youTube keeps removing some important information about MJ.
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Yes you're absolutely right.
We need to download everything and keep reposting. Michael's dedicated fans have put their heads together and unlike the LAPD we have connected the dots to MJ's murder.

The guilty parties are on the move to remove and make all evidence disappear.

I hope fans have made their own files for safe keeping as it's up to us to keep Michael Jackson's Legacy alive for generations to come. They all need to know the man he really was.
 
Gaiaschild said:
I can't watch either of those videos as they are no longer there. Do you have another link
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To me this illustrates that MJ was not a drug "cure all" addict.

Working Links (for now at least)

Michael Jackson's Healing Tape to Mr. Morita
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9P9TgiA0ww&feature=player_embedded#



Starts @ 1:00 Where MJ talks about (Gavin Arvisos cancer)medicine but he was talking about the medical profession "doctors." (Maybe hard to watch)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YNHOSGnxwo&feature=related


 
riviera1992 said:
Yes you're absolutely right.
We need to download everything and keep reposting. Michael's dedicated fans have put their heads together and unlike the LAPD we have connected the dots to MJ's murder.

The guilty parties are on the move to remove and make all evidence disappear.

I hope fans have made their own files for safe keeping as it's up to us to keep Michael Jackson's Legacy alive for generations to come. They all need to know the man he really was.
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I absolutely agree riviera----articles, videos, etc. have gone missing for a long time and we need to download and save everything pertinent to our investigation. We have connected the dots--and there are a lot of dots--and it is Michael's fans who will carry on the fight for justice. IMO the LA DA/AG aren't even looking at any of the people we suspect--and it blows my mind!!! How is it that we see the conspiracy behind Michael's murder, yet experienced law enforcement officers choose to follow one path to doctors and addiction? This is a concerted effort going back to the early '90s when Michael acquired the ATV and half interest in SONY to destroy Michael's image so that he would look like a drugged-up crazy. Everything from that time was played like a symphony of hate in an effort to wrestle the ATV, the SONY share and NL away from Michael. This is a group of ruthless snakes who could not abide by a "pop star" achieving success in their world of business.
 
I know I’m being “silly” here, But I have always wonder If that boy ever had cancer. Personally I think they look like they were sent to destroy MJ.
 
afrika said:
I know I’m being “silly” here, But I have always wonder If that boy ever had cancer. Personally I think they look like they were sent to destroy MJ.
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You are not being "silly" afrika. I wondered the same thing too! Right after the Martin Bashit interview crap aired, I wondered it!
 
"Medicine don't know it all, do they?" ~ MJ

"My health is perfect, actually. I'm a great believer in holistic natural foods and eating and herbs and things, you know, God's medicine, instead of Western chemicals...."~ MJ

And to think, this guy would rely so heavily on PROPOFOL, of all medicines...and propofol isn't even a medicine!! So the man wouldn't even trust medicine, but he would trust propfol........

how stupid do they think we are???
 
afrika said:
I know I’m being “silly” here, But I have always wonder If that boy ever had cancer. Personally I think they look like they were sent to destroy MJ.
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You are right to be suspicious, I read in Aphrodite Jones book on the trials that he did have cancer but it was being paid for by his father's medical insurance but they targeted celebrities for money, including Chris Tucker, who introduced the boy to Michael, Chris Tucker got wise to this family and warned Michael but Michael was too trusting.

Here is an interview with Azya Prior who was Chris Tucker girlfriend who also supported Gavin, and what she says is enlightening to this whole situation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syQsYdrVuyQ

The reason the boy recovered is all the money Michael spent on special extra expensive holistic treatments.
 
Moddie777 said:
You are not being "silly" afrika. I wondered the same thing too! Right after the Martin Bashit interview crap aired, I wondered it!
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Great minds think alike. I thought he was pretending to have cancer. I guess to whole thing was a hoax.


Gaiaschild said:
You are right to be suspicious, I read in Aphrodite Jones book on the trials that he did have cancer but it was being paid for by his father's medical insurance but they targeted celebrities for money, including Chris Tucker, who introduced the boy to Michael, Chris Tucker got wise to this family and warned Michael but Michael was too trusting.

Here is an interview with Azya Prior who was Chris Tucker girlfriend who also supported Gavin, and what she says is enlightening to this whole situation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syQsYdrVuyQ

The reason the boy recovered is all the money Michael spent on special extra expensive holistic treatments.
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Gaiaschild, thanks for the video. They even targeted Jay Leno. But their main target was MJ.
 
Ok I tell you what I think .

I think that Michael was not murdered i think somebody was after him for the Beatels cataloge . He was always afraid that somebody wood kill him for that . Thats why I am sure that he FAKED his DEATH to get out of this . I mean lets face it the death certificate is not signed by a doctor. Dr. Murray is not in JAIL he can work again and can use PROPOFOL . The Family always say that the truth will prevail . And nobody from the jacksons accuse murray . And to this day nobody have seen his BODY . And there are soo manny thinks to say about all this but its to much . So lets get back what Murray gave Michael that night.

At 1 : 30 a.m Valium

At 2 a.m lorazepam trough an IV

At 3 a.m midazolan followed by another 2 mg of lorazepam at 5 a.m

At 7 : 30 a.m ofmidazolan

At 10 : 40 propofol diluted with painkiller idocaine

Do you really think Michael wanted to die like a Junkie ? Michael is not that stupid . He is highly intelligent so never underestimate Michael NEVER .
 
MJHistory22 said:
Ok I tell you what I think .

I think that Michael was not murdered i think somebody was after him for the Beatels cataloge . He was always afraid that somebody wood kill him for that . Thats why I am sure that he FAKED his DEATH to get out of this . I mean lets face it the death certificate is not signed by a doctor. Dr. Murray is not in JAIL he can work again and can use PROPOFOL . The Family always say that the truth will prevail . And nobody from the jacksons accuse murray . And to this day nobody have seen his BODY . And there are soo manny thinks to say about all this but its to much . So lets get back what Murray gave Michael that night.
At 1 : 30 a.m Valium

At 2 a.m lorazepam trough an IV

At 3 a.m midazolan followed by another 2 mg of lorazepam at 5 a.m

At 7 : 30 a.m ofmidazolan

At 10 : 40 propofol diluted with painkiller idocaine

Do you really think Michael wanted to die like a Junkie ? Michael is not that stupid . He is highly intelligent so never underestimate Michael NEVER .
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woah now :mello:

Either, you're not really an MJ fan and doesn't want anybody to know the truth he was murdered, therefore trying to bring people down a different path.

Or....

you are still in denial.

That death certificate was eventually signed, just not by Murray when they asked him. But it was signed by a different doctor.

The investigation of Murray (and several other people) is still ongoing. They are waiting till they have EVERYTHING pieced together as a whole before they start charging people.

Both Joe and LaToya accused Murray of murder. (so you're wrong when you said nobody from the jacksons accused him)

And why? why? why? would anyone want to see a still lifeless and breathless body of Michael in the first place??
 
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kasume said:
woah now :mello:

Either, you're not really an MJ fan and doesn't want anybody to know the truth he was murdered, therefore trying to bring people down a different path.

Or....

you are still in denial.

That death certificate was eventually signed, just not by Murray when they asked him. But it was signed by a different doctor.

The investigation of Murray (and several other people) is still ongoing. They are waiting till they have EVERYTHING pieced together as a whole before they start charging people.

Both Joe and LaToya accused Murray of murder. (so you're wrong when you said nobody from the jacksons accused him)

And why? why? why? would anyone want to see a still lifeless and breathless body of Michael in the first place??
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Ok let me tell you something I am a real Michael Jackson fan since I was 2 years old and I will be forever a fan . So I am not in denial this hole thing seems not right to me .


Ok a DIFFRENT doctor signed the death certificate do you no his name ?

The investigation of Murray and Bla Bla Bla are ongoing I know . But I will tell you you will never see him in Jail.

Ok I agree I dont want to see a dead Body from Michael dont get me wrong . But to tell you what I think there is no DEAD BODY .

And if you think a bit normally a doctor comes out to tell what happend to Michael . But who came out Jermaine .
 
MJHistory22 said:
Ok let me tell you something I am a real Michael Jackson fan since I was 2 years old and I will be forever a fan . So I am not in denial this hole thing seems not right to me .


Ok a DIFFRENT doctor signed the death certificate do you no his name ?

The investigation of Murray and Bla Bla Bla are ongoing I know . But I will tell you you will never see him in Jail.

Ok I agree I dont want to see a dead Body from Michael dont get me wrong . But to tell you what I think there is no DEAD BODY .

And if you think a bit normally a doctor comes out to tell what happend to Michael . But who came out Jermaine .
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Holy Moly never thought about that before.

But Back On topic- Why was everyone saying that Latoya signed the death certificate???

And forgive me if I'm not up to date, but why is someone who is currently being investigated due to severe malpractice and admission to such, able to go back work and administer the exact same medication in question right now? (Con.Murr)
 
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MJJ7777 said:
Holy Moly never thought about that before.

But Back On topic- Why was everyone saying that Latoya signed the death certificate???

And forgive me if I'm not up to date, but why is someone who is currently being investigated due to severe malpractice and admission to such, able to go back work and administer the exact same medication in question right now? (Con.Murr)
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I posted the death certificate here. LaToya did not sign that. It would have been the doctor that pronounced who took authority in the hospital. I would not ever think that Murray would have signed the death certificate if they pronounced it in the hospital. I don't know who said he refused since he was not the doctor in the hospital. Once Michael was brought to the hospital, Murray was no longer in charge. It would have been the doctors in the hospital that were in charge of the situation and Murray would not have had any say over anything that happened there inside the emergency room.

He did not have priviledges to work in that hospital, so it would never be a question having him sign it. The time of death was not immediately on arrival so I have to wonder what his actual state was when he arrived there and if they ever got his heart beating, etc.

As far as Murray being back to work, if he is being investigated for malpractice, this would not be the police doing so. They have no 'say' in that aspect of it. They do not control his medical license. The DEA can investigate 'drugs' and the Medical Board would investigate malpractice.

I think a lot of what we have heard or has been reported to us has come from people who just aren't familiar with the process and how things work. It is easy for someone to make this mistake but when you think about it, they did not pronounce Michael 'expired' or call his time of death for quite a while, so maybe there was some hope of bringing him back to life? Don't know. Wasn't in the room and haven't seen their medical record. I just know they didn't pronounce him Dead On Arrival and they could have.
 
Beachlover said:
I posted the death certificate here. LaToya did not sign that. It would have been the doctor that pronounced who took authority in the hospital. I would not ever think that Murray would have signed the death certificate if they pronounced it in the hospital. I don't know who said he refused since he was not the doctor in the hospital. Once Michael was brought to the hospital, Murray was no longer in charge. It would have been the doctors in the hospital that were in charge of the situation and Murray would not have had any say over anything that happened there inside the emergency room.

He did not have priviledges to work in that hospital, so it would never be a question having him sign it. The time of death was not immediately on arrival so I have to wonder what his actual state was when he arrived there and if they ever got his heart beating, etc.

As far as Murray being back to work, if he is being investigated for malpractice, this would not be the police doing so. They have no 'say' in that aspect of it. They do not control his medical license. The DEA can investigate 'drugs' and the Medical Board would investigate malpractice.

I think a lot of what we have heard or has been reported to us has come from people who just aren't familiar with the process and how things work. It is easy for someone to make this mistake but when you think about it, they did not pronounce Michael 'expired' or call his time of death for quite a while, so maybe there was some hope of bringing him back to life? Don't know. Wasn't in the room and haven't seen their medical record. I just know they didn't pronounce him Dead On Arrival and they could have.
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Hm. You make alot of sense. Thanks!:D

The bolded part is very important here.
 
I just know Michael would never leave his children alone like that. Why would he leave them. Michael wouldn't want to miss a day with his children, to him they were the most important and he would want to spend evey second he could with them.

And to have all his fans grieving in pain....? Would he really do that? Think about it.

And what about that tear from Blanket's eyes during his memorial.......surely, if Blanket knew his father was alive he wouldn't be crying.

The truth is hard to take, but Michael would not do anything to cause pain in the hearts of so many countless people just for his own self benefits. That doesn't sound like Michael.
 
I think he was murdered. When he first died a report came out saying an employee heard him telling someone on the phone that he didn't want to do the concerts because things just were not ready. Then he called Joe. The story just disappeared and was not mentioned again but this would be a great motive. Millions would be lost if he didn't do the concerts and we know MJ was a perfectionist and he wouldn't do the shows if things were not ready. A cardiologist would not make the mistakes this guy made. He gave MJ a lethal amount of propofol. That is enough to kill someone. More than the 25ml he claimed to have given. A lethal amount was in his system hours later, that's no accident.
 
MJsMagic said:
I think he was murdered. When he first died a report came out saying an employee heard him telling someone on the phone that he didn't want to do the concerts because things just were not ready. Then he called Joe. The story just disappeared and was not mentioned again but this would be a great motive. Millions would be lost if he didn't do the concerts and we know MJ was a perfectionist and he wouldn't do the shows if things were not ready. A cardiologist would not make the mistakes this guy made. He gave MJ a lethal amount of propofol. That is enough to kill someone. More than the 25ml he claimed to have given. A lethal amount was in his system hours later, that's no accident.
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Wouldn't Joe have mentioned that during his interviews?
 
There are many inconsistencies and many stories that seemed to come from nowhere all over the place, especially the first few weeks.

Even the stories about Murray are not all true and it takes real reading and understanding of the situation to only get the facts straight. Murray has every finger pointed at him and rightly so, but there are many parts of the Murray story that are unfounded and angry claims that aren't true.

It is bad enough what happened, but to make it worse by saying he didn't even know how to do CPR, or should not have used Propofol only throws people off the course of what really happened. It seems some are looking only for revenge and ignoring facts presented to them on a silver platter.
 
Beachlover said:
There are many inconsistencies and many stories that seemed to come from nowhere all over the place, especially the first few weeks.

Even the stories about Murray are not all true and it takes real reading and understanding of the situation to only get the facts straight. Murray has every finger pointed at him and rightly so, but there are many parts of the Murray story that are unfounded and angry claims that aren't true.

It is bad enough what happened, but to make it worse by saying he didn't even know how to do CPR, or should not have used Propofol only throws people off the course of what really happened. It seems some are looking only for revenge and ignoring facts presented to them on a silver platter.
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But this is a fact. It baffles so many people to see a professional making mistakes not even a common person would , in his field of expertise especially. Not only did he not know how to do CPR, but he also lacked common sense. I.E., giving a patient multiple medication one after another, then tries to "weans" the patient off with a lethal dose of a powerful anesthetic not meant for use outside of a hospital due to the necessary monitoring required, during which he just ups and leaves the patient unattened for a "phone call".

Or does someone want us to think that a medical professional is this "inadequate".:scratch:
 
They had been working on him for a while until his mother

arrived even though they knew that he was gone.

That's what I think to have heard from Frank Dileo.
 
The story from Frank is that he was being kept alive on life support but was brain dead. This means his heart was beating because you don't just medically throw someone on life support like that. Its complicated to explain but what Frank said also made no sense to me.

If someone comes into the ER totally dead on arrival; thats what they call. If there was no hope thats what they would have called it. I don't think he was dead for 'hours' if they worked on him.

Who said the doctor didn't know how to do CPR? Who saw him doing it? Just because he wasn't on the floor? Did you know that every hospital Code Blue is performed on a bed with a backboard? We put no patient on the floor. When did it become a fact he didn't know what he was doing? Who said that?

Murray gave a small amount of Propofol in reality. It was not a large dose. He gave more the night before and Michael lived. Think about that.
 
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