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Autopsy Photo's, Crime Scene Pic to Show what really happened to our MJ!?

ginvid said:
Or it could be people who came at night after she left for the day. Then she might not know about them. If the rest of the staff was asleep they might not know about them. I dunno.
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yes, you are right.

i think the question is, did Murray really say this or not?
 
kasume said:
If it got throught the sheets. We don't know what kind of substance we're talking about here. They are all different.

But I don't even know if the changing those sheets is even true. All I know is that you change sheets when they are not clean. Now anything could have been on them, something coughed up could have made it unclean.

But yes, if it was a substance that seeps through easily, and it actually got to the matress, then I'm sure it would have been found....unless, someone wiped it up.

who knows? there are MANY possibilities to the story of the "changed sheets" and all we know is that the sheets were changed, or so we are told.
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I'm sorry to go into these details, but "Moth2aflame" said the bed sheets were changed because our Michael "threw up" from all those meds they were forcing on him, he was trying to resist according to her post. If in fact he threw up, that would show on an Autopsy report, thats something the killers wouldn't want to be known by anyone, it would show force, wouldn't it?
 
Moddie777 said:
I'm sorry to go into these details, but "Moth2aflame" said the bed sheets were changed because our Michael "threw up" from all those meds they were forcing on him, he was trying to resist according to her post. If in fact he threw up, that would show on an Autopsy report, thats something the killers wouldn't want to be known by anyone, it would show force, wouldn't it?
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Moddie, what a coincidence, that is exactly what I thought of when I first heard the sheets were changed. Actually, it was the first thing that popped into my mind. thank you for telling me.

and yes, it would show force. not only that...it would show a man already sick with too much medication, and who knows that he can't take in anything else, asking for EVEN MORE!!!!
 
ginvid said:
I remember reading a long time ago that they completely changed the room he was in. I remember it being said that his body's lividity didn't match his position. Also all of the equipment was in another room not in the one he was found in. I don't know how true this is, but I remember it being said.
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I remember reading this online too, I am not sure where it originated from, but after MJ was killed there were alot of storief flying all over the internet and in tabloids.

Don't completely Rule out information, even if its found in a tabloid, somewhere the truth is hidden and Michael's kids have the right to know someday, what happened to their daddy on that awful night.
 
We all remember bits a pieces from the media but is anyone documenting these apart from the hoaxers? lol
 
rainny said:
...and there is an additional private autopsy.
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Yes, the family had their own autopsy done.

But where are the photo's of that? Who has them? Shouldn't the family already have seen them by now?
 
I think it is highly probable that something like this happened.

But if there was a struggle of some sort, wouldnt the kids have heard it?

I don't know if I'm right, but it seems as if all three children were in the house with Michael (and maybe the cook was too?).

All the children must have been sleeping when Michael got back, but wouldnt they have heard the noises (thumping, screaming, yelling, furniture falling, talking...) and woke up because of them?
All the kids may be heavy sleepers...but at least on of them is bound to sleep light.

Maybe one of the kids did hear something, and they were told to go back to bed by someone who was in on the whole thing?

I think that if any of the children heard any suspicious noises coming from thier fathers room, they would go in and check, even if they had been told not to.
Kids can tell if there is something wrong.
 
rainny said:
There is a law in California about autopsies not supposed

to be made public while the investigation is taking place.
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Does that law apply to family members of the deceased?

Can they at least view the pictures in a private setting?

I am trying to understand the logic behind the family wanting the files from the Estate...espcially if they possibly have already seen the photo's?
 
Loralee said:
I think it is highly probable that something like this happened.

But if there was a struggle of some sort, wouldnt the kids have heard it?

I don't know if I'm right, but it seems as if all three children were in the house with Michael (and maybe the cook was too?).

All the children must have been sleeping when Michael got back, but wouldnt they have heard the noises (thumping, screaming, yelling, furniture falling, talking...) and woke up because of them?
All the kids may be heavy sleepers...but at least on of them is bound to sleep light.

Maybe one of the kids did hear something, and they were told to go back to bed by someone who was in on the whole thing?

I think that if any of the children heard any suspicious noises coming from thier fathers room, they would go in and check, even if they had been told not to.
Kids can tell if there is something wrong.
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For whatever reason, "Moth2aflame" said, Our Michael was taken off Guard and from behind. He/she said something was put over Michael's head so he wouldn't have been heard, by anyone ,he passed out and was unconscious for a while according to "Moth2aflame".


I'm sorry this is so graphic, but i can't get what they posted out of my head, especially now as time go by.
 
Loralee said:
I think it is highly probable that something like this happened.

But if there was a struggle of some sort, wouldnt the kids have heard it?

I don't know if I'm right, but it seems as if all three children were in the house with Michael (and maybe the cook was too?).

All the children must have been sleeping when Michael got back, but wouldnt they have heard the noises (thumping, screaming, yelling, furniture falling, talking...) and woke up because of them?
All the kids may be heavy sleepers...but at least on of them is bound to sleep light.

Maybe one of the kids did hear something, and they were told to go back to bed by someone who was in on the whole thing?

I think that if any of the children heard any suspicious noises coming from thier fathers room, they would go in and check, even if they had been told not to.
Kids can tell if there is something wrong.
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Everyone has overlooked this but this has been bugging me so much.

Where were Michael's children during this time???
Its very relevant. They might have known or suspected that something was going on that was not normal.

These kids have to know something. They have to.
 
Loralee said:
I think it is highly probable that something like this happened.

But if there was a struggle of some sort, wouldnt the kids have heard it?

I don't know if I'm right, but it seems as if all three children were in the house with Michael (and maybe the cook was too?).

All the children must have been sleeping when Michael got back, but wouldnt they have heard the noises (thumping, screaming, yelling, furniture falling, talking...) and woke up because of them?
All the kids may be heavy sleepers...but at least on of them is bound to sleep light.

Maybe one of the kids did hear something, and they were told to go back to bed by someone who was in on the whole thing?

I think that if any of the children heard any suspicious noises coming from thier fathers room, they would go in and check, even if they had been told not to.
Kids can tell if there is something wrong.
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I don't think the kids would have heard necessarily. How close was their room to MJ's?

Also, the kids may not be so suspicious if someone they were familiar with told them everything was ok. plus it said that MJ had loud music playing all the time all night, so that would make a difference as well.
 
MJJ7777 said:
Everyone has overlooked this but this has been bugging me so much.

Where were Michael's children during this time???
Its very relevant. They might have known or suspected that something was going on that was not normal.

These kids have to know something. They have to.
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Ever notice how much Michael had his kids with him in the last 2 or so yrs of his life, even when he had hired help for them at the house?

I think his kids knew, there were some of whom daddy didn't trust.

Daddy didn't want his kids out of his sight, did he?
 
Hey does anybody know the address of the home MJ was in. If their BD is like it is NY we may be able to have a plan of it on their website and then we can look and see where the rooms might possibly be. Does anybody know?
 
I remember an early report about the house being on "Carol lane" in Beverly Hills?
 
Loralee said:
I think it is highly probable that something like this happened.

But if there was a struggle of some sort, wouldnt the kids have heard it?

I don't know if I'm right, but it seems as if all three children were in the house with Michael (and maybe the cook was too?).

All the children must have been sleeping when Michael got back, but wouldnt they have heard the noises (thumping, screaming, yelling, furniture falling, talking...) and woke up because of them?
All the kids may be heavy sleepers...but at least on of them is bound to sleep light.

Maybe one of the kids did hear something, and they were told to go back to bed by someone who was in on the whole thing?

I think that if any of the children heard any suspicious noises coming from thier fathers room, they would go in and check, even if they had been told not to.
Kids can tell if there is something wrong.
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You're right, but we don't know how strong those guys were, if there were any holding Michael down.
 
I wonder why LAPD did not take a fingerprints from MJ bedroom, Murray bedroom etc? . Ppl who killed Michael should leave their fingerprints everywhere unless they were wearing gloves. LAPD screwed up as usual. When it comes to Michael they never do anything right. The family has to have a second autopsy pictures and I hope they will use them for investigation. But the fact is that pictures won’t do anything without a proper autopsy tests included.
Also it is important thde time of death. michael was home at midnight this day. My guess is basd on reading some info that they killed him around 2 -3 am.
 
Moddie777 said:
I remember an early report about the house being on "Carol lane" in Beverly Hills?
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Oh, thanks very much. but I need a complete address for it to work. I will try and google it and see what I find. Thanks again!
 
Something elese about the autopsy photo's, lastnight as I was researching online, I came across alot of disturbing stuff, as scary as I am of seeing the deceased in a coffin, this is exactly the kind of thing I ran across as I was searching for more knowledge and anything that could help me understand what happened to our Michael.

I read up on a few deceased hollywood celebrities( from through the years),lastnight, link after link about their death/Murder conspiracy and that lead me to their Death Photo, Crime Scene Pic, or The dreaded picture of them in the open casket. I read Autposy procedures, step by step by step and later I came across conspiracy theories of their death, which by the way span over decades and are still being discussed and written about.

These are a few key things I've learned from those Internet website's lastnight:


* When a death is involving a hollywood star, actor, musician or singer, there death is almost always shrouded in conspiracy from the very beginning

* There death( celebrity) is never what is appears to be, there are always unanswered questions

* There are always rumors of their( celeb) body or crime scene being propped and made to look a certain way before officials show up

* The deceased celebrity who has died with a shroud of conspiracy shwirling around, is said TO HAVE NO "WILL" or no "will was ever been found

* A manager, or Buisness Partner of the deceased celebrity usually is the one to over see the Estate of the deceased, not the family. Many of the family members of the deceased struggle financially through the years as the Manager or Buisness partner become richer and more famous, these Executives go on to Manage and Control other High Profiled Celebrities
in the years to come.

* For the deceased celeb who has died in a shroud of mystery,no justice was ever served for their death( lastnight, I read up on 3).

I also learned Autposy Photo's are EDITED when a televised documentary is aired about a deceased celeb and the network uses an autopsy photo or crime scene pic. I am not talking about Blurring certian offensive things out, No I am saying someone who had possession of the pictures first, Edited out certain things to keep details of the truth from ever being exposed
 
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And the LAPD was usually the investigating office in all those strange deaths.
 
goldiee said:
And the LAPD was usually the investigating office in all those strange deaths.
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LAPD is a very corrupted organization like the whole Hollywood. Why should they care about Michael’s death? They probably have been paid to cover it up but not to investigate.
 
I forgot this part:

The Conspiracy of the dead celebrity is heightened because the public are told these celeb's died at the hands of themselves or by their own reckless lifestyle, such as drugs, alchohol, and women, But the details given Never make sense to those who knew these celebrities well.

Through the years, there's always been a handler or two of whom worked for the celeb who
friends and family of the deceased had always been very suspicious of.
 
Moddie777 said:
I forgot this part:

The Conspiracy of the dead celebrity is heightened because the public are told these celeb's died at the hands of themselves or by their own reckless lifestyle, such as drugs, alchohol, and women, But the details given Never make sense to those who knew these celebrities well.

Through the years, there's always been a handler or two of whom worked for the celeb who
friends and family of the deceased had always been very suspicious of.
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Everybody dies from “drugs and alcohol” in Hollywood like they say. It is the same old story.. . Michael was smart enough to have a doctor beside him because he knew that way it will be harder for them to make it look like a regular drug overdose.
 
Moddie777 said:
For whatever reason, "Moth2aflame" said, Our Michael was taken off Guard and from behind. He/she said something was put over Michael's head so he wouldn't have been heard, by anyone ,he passed out and was unconscious for a while according to "Moth2aflame".


I'm sorry this is so graphic, but i can't get what they posted out of my head, especially now as time go by.
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I could see him being asked to come to another room and then give a knockout drop or chorloformed or something then injected. I sure hpe she's wrong. The only consolation I've had is that he never knew what him and he went peacefully. I can't take anything else.
 
And the LAPD was usually the investigating office in all those strange deaths.
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Moddie777 said:
Yep!

I'm am feeling very sick now...
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But the LAPD also know that everyone around the world is watching THEM this time!! And not just watching them, but probably more closely than they'll ever be watched in their entire lives.

They should know of the many eyes that are on them this one time, not looking away for one damn second!!

And I don't know if they know this, but they SHOULD know that MJ fans aren't like other fans. We are rhinocerious skin and we WILL NOT give up on the TRUTH.
 
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ginvid said:
Oh, thanks very much. but I need a complete address for it to work. I will try and google it and see what I find. Thanks again!
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It is at 101 N Carolwood Dr. but the LABD is diffrent from the NYBD. Here they post plans they have online adn anybody can pretty much get a copy of them. For LA, they will only give out all info but plans and plans have to be requested from owner or enigeering firm. All requests for anything must be made in person. Oh, well. So much for that idea.
 
ginvid said:
It is at 101 N Carolwood Dr. but the LABD is diffrent from the NYBD. Here they post plans they have online adn anybody can pretty much get a copy of them. For LA, they will only give out all info but plans and plans have to be requested from owner or enigeering firm. All requests for anything must be made in person. Oh, well. So much for that idea.
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Are you sure it is 101? I think it was 9007 or 90077? I tried to google it but none of them worked for me.
 
Moddie777 said:
* For the deceased celeb who has died in a shroud of mystery,no justice was ever served for their death( lastnight, I read up on 3).

I also learned Autposy Photo's are EDITED when a televised documentary is aired about a deceased celeb and the network uses an autopsy photo or crime scene pic. I am not talking about Blurring certian offensive things out, No I am saying someone who had possession of the pictures first, Edited out certain things to keep details of the truth from ever being exposed
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I will keep the faith.

We cannot let that happen to our Michael.

Like I said before, there are no fans like us. We can't let Michael die in lies. They think they can play us MJ fans like they've did every other murdered celebrity in their fans?
 
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