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The Hoax Theory - Discussing Errors, Inconsistencies, Observations and Other Theories

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bluetopez said:
From what I remember...

All randy said on Twitter was that he was disturb that the organizer of that show would say MJ would be there!

He didn't say anything about believers needing to stop pushing nor that people needed to stop saying MJ was alive!
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Exactly!!!!!!! :coffee: Thanks for reminding us about it.


Just :thinking: >>>> I do not understand why the family has not talked openly about this (hoax - they are not idiots and know of the existence of theories and forums hoax.) to end at once with all theories, forums hoax, believers and bla bla bla.... -_- It would be very interesting know what they would have to say about it. :smilerolleyes:


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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
If I understood correctly, this thread was here for everyone with differentiating opinions to come here and discuss, if I'm wrong and it's strictly for people who share the same thought, then I apologize for all that was said...But I'm not sure if that's the case or not.
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That is my understanding as well. I am not a believer, but I follow all threads in the Conspiracy forum because there is good information to be found everywhere. The entire Conspiracy forum, to my understanding, is for everyone who understands that it is where "we question Michael's death, the latest news and stories surrounding his death and the conspiracy theories - contains heavy speculation so please if you aren't able to respect the atmosphere of this section do not enter."

To me, that means all are welcome here, as long as we are able to respect each others opinions...even if we agree to disagree about certain threads or posts. I think we all should be able to share our views here in the Hoax thread, whether we believe in the hoax or not. After all, we all love MJ, right? All viewpoints are valid and should be respected. :yes:

And I keep hoping someone will prove to me that MJ is alive. Hasn't happened yet, but I'd sure love it. :cheeky: But for the most part I enjoy reading everyone else's viewpoints, and since one of my good friends does believe MJ is alive, this helps me see where she's coming from...even if I don't believe it myself. She listens to and respects my views, and I do the same for her.
 
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TinaG said:
That is my understanding as well. I am not a believer, but I follow all threads in the Conspiracy forum because there is good information to be found everywhere. The entire Conspiracy forum, to my understanding, is for everyone who understands that it is where "we question Michael's death, the latest news and stories surrounding his death and the conspiracy theories - contains heavy speculation so please if you aren't able to respect the atmosphere of this section do not enter."

To me, that means all are welcome here, as long as we are able to respect each others opinions...even if we agree to disagree about certain threads or posts. I think we all should be able to share our views here in the Hoax thread, whether we believe in the hoax or not. After all, we all love MJ, right? All viewpoints are valid and should be respected. :yes:

And I keep hoping someone will prove to me that MJ is alive.

IF Michael is alive it would really truely not be good for him to be 'found'. It would be dangerous for him. Remember he never knew what privacy was. He needs to rest in peace now wherever that may be. I am scared for him that the hoaxers will try to 'smoke him out' with their constant hunting. Those who truely love Michael will leave him alone. ( IF he is alive)
Has anyone seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_VLVXETUmQ&feature=related
Excellent video very moving, and well made, The person who has made it is trying to say to the hoaxers to 'calm it' and stop hunting him.
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By the way this is said with love and respect. I agree with you, we love Michael. :angel: He just needs to rest in peace now. He deserves to at long last :agree:
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Billie_Jean09 said:
TinaG said:
That is my understanding as well. I am not a believer, but I follow all threads in the Conspiracy forum because there is good information to be found everywhere. The entire Conspiracy forum, to my understanding, is for everyone who understands that it is where "we question Michael's death, the latest news and stories surrounding his death and the conspiracy theories - contains heavy speculation so please if you aren't able to respect the atmosphere of this section do not enter."

To me, that means all are welcome here, as long as we are able to respect each others opinions...even if we agree to disagree about certain threads or posts. I think we all should be able to share our views here in the Hoax thread, whether we believe in the hoax or not. After all, we all love MJ, right? All viewpoints are valid and should be respected. :yes:

And I keep hoping someone will prove to me that MJ is alive.

IF Michael is alive it would really truely not be good for him to be 'found'. It would be dangerous for him. Remember he never knew what privacy was. He needs to rest in peace now wherever that may be. I am scared for him that the hoaxers will try to 'smoke him out' with their constant hunting. Those who truely love Michael will leave him alone. ( IF he is alive)
Has anyone seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_VLVXETUmQ&feature=related
Excellent video very moving, and well made, The person who has made it is trying to say to the hoaxers to 'calm it' and stop hunting him.
:tonofbricks

By the way this is said with love and respect. I agree with you, we love Michael. :angel: He just needs to rest in peace now. He deserves to at long last :agree:
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Thank you for this video post...
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bluetopez said:
From what I remember...

All randy said on Twitter was that he was disturb that the organizer of that show would say MJ would be there!

He didn't say anything about believers needing to stop pushing nor that people needed to stop saying MJ was alive!
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The statement made by the organizer led to hundred of fans believing and pushing the idea onto others, Randy saying he's disturbed that anyone would make a claim of that nature, is denying a hoax. He may not have used those exact words, but the general idea of the statement is self explanatory.
 
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xthunderx2 said:
Billie_Jean09 said:
Thank you for this video post...
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You are welcome.
I came across it from a blog on twitter.
This is the original link that I found it from, which you might find interesting also.


http://whataboutmj.wordpress.com/2010/05/16/why-michael-needs-his-privacy/

The author of this blog spot post and that video in my previous post here clearly loves Michael and it would appear if you read carefully is trying to aim at an audience of both those who believe Michael is 'gone' as in passed away, ( hate to say 'has died' ) and those who believe he is gone out of sight.
Whatever people might believe, the fact remains, he is gone. :(
This person is afraid that the constant 'hoax' videos is becoming too frenzied.
The sad thing is however Michael is now 'gone' if we truely love him we will let him rest in peace now.:wub:
It is hard to accept, because we love and miss him so.

I like and agree with the little statement on that blog spot that say's
'' If you believe he is alive, respect his privacy, if you believe he is gone, respect his memory''
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Billie_Jean09 said:
xthunderx2 said:
You are welcome.
I came across it from a blog on twitter.
This is the original link that I found it from, which you might find interesting also.


http://whataboutmj.wordpress.com/2010/05/16/why-michael-needs-his-privacy/

The author of this blog spot post and that video in my previous post here clearly loves Michael and it would appear if you read carefully is trying to aim at an audience of both those who believe Michael is 'gone' as in passed away, ( hate to say 'has died' ) and those who believe he is gone out of sight.
Whatever people might believe, the fact remains, he is gone. :(
This person is afraid that the constant 'hoax' videos is becoming too frenzied.
The sad thing is however Michael is now 'gone' if we truely love him we will let him rest in peace now.:wub:
It is hard to accept, because we love and miss him so.

I like and agree with the little statement on that blog spot that say's
'' If you believe he is alive, respect his privacy, if you believe he is gone, respect his memory''
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and I agree Michael deserves his peace...:angel: Thank you again for posting..:)
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
The statement made by the organizer led to hundred of fans believing and pushing the idea onto others, Randy saying he's disturbed that anyone would make a claim of that nature, is denying a hoax. He may not have used those exact words, but the general idea of the statement is self explanatory.
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Sorry, I disagree! He was just talking about the organizer! If he wanted to be more clear then he could have done that! Since he loves his twitter so much and spends lots of time on it! Yet, all he ever does is leave half ass messages leaving people wondering what he really means!
 
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Here's another link you might like to have a gander at? :doh:


http://www.elvisandmj.com/


Just a thought. Make of it what you will.
I personally found the 777 connection interesting!
MJ had 777 sewn onto his shirt in TII. His memorial was on the 7th day of the 7th month 7 yrs after he wrote/ammended his will.
Food for thought?

Let me please add these are only speculations. where ever Michael is he needs peace and privacy. I hope he is alive and hiding somewhere out of the media's glare. For me and those of us who say he would NEVER fake his own 'death' cos he wouldnt want to leave his children- maybe just maybe they know it's ok cos their daddy is still around- and will see them again once things settle down? also MJ was familiar with diguises. Remember 'Ghost' short film? He went around town as the 'fat man in a suit' and enjoyed it- until of course the world knew it was him! All this is possible- unlikely- but possible.
 
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Dangerous Incorporated said:
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This movie is called After Innocence. Tag: Freedom Is Just The Beginning.The poster looks like:
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Has anyone watched this movie, After Innocence? I just did last night on YouTube. I had completely forgotten it's connection to This Is It via the poster. I've been on a documentary kick for the past few weeks, and I had just seen the equally riveting documentary Murder On a Sunday Morning, also on YT. In the comments, someone had recommended After Innocence, so I watched that too. Both were excellent films. It's when I looked up info about After Innocence that I saw the poster, and then remembered seeing it in this thread.

After Innocence tells the stories of several men falsely accused and convicted of various heinous crimes such as armed robbery, rape, assault and murder. Some had numerous charges. These men were all sent to prison, and spent years behind bars. One of them served 22 years on death row. The film follows their lives as they are released from prison after DNA evidence leads to each of them being exonerated of their respective crimes. They are released into the world with no compensation, their lives shattered. Some discover that even though they have been exonerated, their criminal records have not been expunged. They face the stigma of having been incarcerated, people wanting nothing to do with them, people not wanting to hire them, crippling debts from lawyer fees...

Thank goodness MJ was never wrongfully convicted this way, but I think it's safe to say that he must have had to deal with a lot of the same issues as these other, innocent men.

Both these films reminded me very much of MJ. And the public defender in Murder On a Sunday Morning actually reminded me of T-Mez. I believe his name was MacGuinnis? I'll look up his name in a sec. As you can imagine, he mopped the floor with the prosecution. :D There are definitely some crooked police officers out there, and the ones in this film got just a slap on the wrist by being moved to another department. :no:

I highly recommend After Innocence, hoax-related or not, hoax believer or not. And Murder On a Sunday Morning as well. Must see viewing, imo.

Edit: Just found out that the amazing public defender (Patrick McGuinness) was fired, along with nine other fine attorneys, including Ann Finnell who was also in the movie. :no: Damn...

http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/112908/met_361369960.shtml
 
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eighthnoterojo said:
Has anyone watched this movie, After Innocence? I just did last night on YouTube. I had completely forgotten it's connection to This Is It via the poster. I've been on a documentary kick for the past few weeks, and I had just seen the equally riveting documentary Murder On a Sunday Morning, also on YT. In the comments, someone had recommended After Innocence, so I watched that too. Both were excellent films. It's when I looked up info about After Innocence that I saw the poster, and then remembered seeing it in this thread.

After Innocence tells the stories of several men falsely accused and convicted of various heinous crimes such as armed robbery, rape, assault and murder. Some had numerous charges. These men were all sent to prison, and spent years behind bars. One of them served 22 years on death row. The film follows their lives as they are released from prison after DNA evidence leads to each of them being exonerated of their respective crimes. They are released into the world with no compensation, their lives shattered. Some discover that even though they have been exonerated, their criminal records have not been expunged. They face the stigma of having been incarcerated, people wanting nothing to do with them, people not wanting to hire them, crippling debts from lawyer fees...

Thank goodness MJ was never wrongfully convicted this way, but I think it's safe to say that he must have had to deal with a lot of the same issues as these other, innocent men.

Both these films reminded me very much of MJ. And the public defender in Murder On a Sunday Morning actually reminded me of T-Mez. I believe his name was MacGuinnis? I'll look up his name in a sec. As you can imagine, he mopped the floor with the prosecution. :D There are definitely some crooked police officers out there, and the ones in this film got just a slap on the wrist by being moved to another department. :no:

I highly recommend After Innocence, hoax-related or not, hoax believer or not. And Murder On a Sunday Morning as well. Must see viewing, imo.

Edit: Just found out that the amazing public defender (Patrick McGuinness) was fired, along with nine other fine attorneys, including Ann Finnell who was also in the movie. :no: Damn...

http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/112908/met_361369960.shtml
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aside from everybody wanting to copy MJ one way or the other in hollywood and media with their posters and such...
indeed, how many more examples do we need before we realize that this world isn't just a world with 'an imperfect system'. it should be subject to much more vicious penalties than that powder puff moniker. it's an evil world with an evil system.
 
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^ After Innocence was released in 2005. It's poster therefore predates that of This Is It by four years. Some hoax believers have suggested that the poster for This Is It was intentionally made to resemble that of After Innocence due to the subject matter and / or title of the film (AI).
 
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There are so many similarities with certain important things....too much to be a coincidence...my opinion.
And then there is that movie with Elizabeth Taylor called " Suddenly last summer " in " Light Man "....also interesting.
And the sign language that Michael is using in TII saying " I will reveal myself to you.."
There is nothing more in this world that I want more...for him to be alive...
 
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zpredra5 said:
There are so many similarities with certain important things....too much to be a coincidence...my opinion.
And then there is that movie with Elizabeth Taylor called " Suddenly last summer " in " Light Man "....also interesting.
And the sign language that Michael is using in TII saying " I will reveal myself to you.."
There is nothing more in this world that I want more...for him to be alive...
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wow, i didn't know about the sign language having been deciphered to mean "i will reveal myself to you." that's certainly very interesting. makes my heart skip a beat :)
 
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Angela_MJJ said:
Found this on a hoax forum
http://www.lth-hotels.com/london_events/july-events-london.html

I know we're not supposed to be thinking of dates but this is a bit weird to state Michael would perform...

Edit: I've sent them an E-mail about it.
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Interesting, I'm guessing it is an editorial error and old information. If that's the case though its an upsetting reminder of what could have been and unprofessional of them to keep in this info. I have also emailed them about this.
 
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Suzie B said:
Interesting, I'm guessing it is an editorial error and old information. If that's the case though its an upsetting reminder of what could have been and unprofessional of them to keep in this info. I have also emailed them about this.
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Yes it's been a year already so it's indeed unprofessional to keep this info.
And good to know you emailed them too.
 
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Just to point out facts, that final scene in TII hasn't legitimately been deciphered by anyone, it's been argued that it says "I Love You, All"...But again, fact is it hasn't been deciphered to have any other mean by anyone else other than hoax supporters.
 
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ivy said:
that's probably just a copy paste of the old text.

It also says that Madonna will be there. Madonna gave concert at O2 in 2009 before Michael's TII was supposed to start.

She doesn't have a tour planned for 2011.
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Neither does Michael Jackson ;)
 
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Continuing on with the 'movies about the accused and/or convicted who are actually innocent' connection, I imagine some of you have seen the film The Shawshank Redemption. About an innocent man wrongfully convicted of murder? There is a scene in the film where the inmates watch a movie. What movie, you ask? Why, Gilda, of course. There's even a shot or two of Rita Hayworth, and part of the song Put the Blame on Mame is heard. I'm sure many of you are familiar with that performance, as we had the exact same one in TII.

Probably coincidental. Who knows.

I've only seen half of SR, I'll finish watching it tomorrow. I'll let you all know if I see anything else noteworthy.
 
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^^ oh wow...:scratch:
 
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Dangerous Incorporated said:
Neither does Michael Jackson ;)
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That only reinforces Ivy's point that it's a misprint in the websites text, and it shouldn't mean much. If there's already listed names, of tours that already happened, one would assume the website was nothing more than inaccurately updated.
 
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