MJ Estate Sends a Cease and Desist Letter to Katherine's Business Partner

[chanel05]

That's part we don't know , you don't know if Michael requested to be treated with profool or Corrand Maurray suggested it ,and that's why Michael's painkiller addiction is being brought up. and yes his family has spoken out against Maurry, Janet said he is responsiable which is all you can say because bottom line he shouldn't okayed it and on top of that clearly was negiagant imo) but like Katherine said she can't say Maurry is a murder or not because you don't know what his intentions was, you don't know if Corrand Maurry woke up that morning planning to murder Michael or if it was just a horriable accident , if Michale was found stabbed to death or shot than yeah you could clearly see that his intentions were to kill Michael , and that's why probably some of the family member aren't screaming " murder" and why you can't compare Nicloe and Ron to Michael. and that's what's the prosecutions job to do. and even some Jacksons have said Maurry is a murder,or they believe he is a fall guy. ( well Latoya)

i agree... i think tht some people here get so blinded by their hate for the family tht they dnt always rationally think out things tht they should

 

[chanel05]

yeah if you killed somebody on accident you are a commnly called a murder, but to be legaly declared a murder you have to prove intentent and malice aftermath, or it's manslaughter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder


I agree thou that also one reasons drug inventions and etc are being bought up is to save face sort of. Oprah stright up said who loved him enough to stop him , etc, of course Jane's response is going to be we tried, but the inventions and ect were not recent , she couldn't remember when the last invention was, and she already said she had no idea Michael was taking profool nobody in the family did, I don't think Janet was cluess or blank about the sleep issues just the the fact that he was taking proffool to treat it.

i honestly dnt think anybody knew abt the proprofol excepct the people who helped get it to him

 

[pilinlim]

i agree... i think tht some people here get so blinded by their hate for the family tht they dnt always rationally think out things tht they should

Here's the part neither you nor Strawberry nor any other blind mouse understands;

Michael took Propofol because he was an insomniac who was desperate to sleep, not because he was addicted. Besides, Propofol has nothing to do with pain. It is not, in any way, a painkiller drug.
Third point; it's medically and scientifically impossible for Michael to have been addicted to Propofol. A person addicted to it can't even walk, open his/her eyes or talk...let alone rehearse for hours and hours and hours. Therefore, the fact that there are 100+ hours of taped rehearsals immeadiately kills any "addicted to Propofol" theory.

To sum up; yes, Michael did ask for Propofol. Why? Because he was an insomniac desperate to get some sleep. It has ZERO to do with drug addiction and is not, in any form, shape or way, a proof of that.

What I'm still struggling to understand is how, exactly, do painkillers entered the conversation. Why were painkillers brought up since these type of drugs have nothing to do with propofol or the circunstances of MJ's death.

 

[pilinlim]

i honestly dnt think anybody knew abt the proprofol excepct the people who helped get it to him

So?


In what way not knowing about Propofol has to do with calling your relative a druggie? Shouldn't it have the reverse effect?

Propofol is a proof that Jackson was NOT a drug addict [read above comment made by me] so knowing or not knowing about it is irrelevant.


Seeing Jfam fans struggling with hard and factual evidence is the funniest thing in internet since the invention of youtube.

 

[chanel05]

It's not that some turn a blind eye, it is so obvious that you are saying things that are rumors and not proven true and you are trying to mislead the fraud situation about randy, I clicked on to the link a week ago and read it, and you are trying to spin it. he did not report his sport utility vihecle and that was the fraud. If I remember correctly it was about a company that randy, michael and janet had invested in that fell through. and no randy is not broke, and the rest of the jackson family is not hurting for money now.

THANK YOU!!!!! now if you read one of my earlier post, i addressed tht n he/she didnt even RESPOND!!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME! thts why i had a hard time beliving he/she after tht

 

[twinklEE]

edit, delete please

 

[twinklEE]

Here's the part neither you nor Strawberry nor any other blind mouse understands;

Michael took Propofol because he was an insomniac who was desperate to sleep, not because he was addicted. Besides, Propofol has nothing to do with pain. It is not, in any way, a painkiller drug.
Third point; it's medically and scientifically impossible for Michael to have been addicted to Propofol. A person addicted to it can't even walk, open his/her eyes or talk...let alone rehearse for hours and hours and hours. Therefore, the fact that there are 100+ hours of taped rehearsals immeadiately kills any "addicted to Propofol" theory.

To sum up; yes, Michael did ask for Propofol. Why? Because he was an insomniac desperate to get some sleep. It has ZERO to do with drug addiction and is not, in any form, shape or way, a proof of that.

What I'm still struggling to understand is how, exactly, do painkillers entered the conversation. Why were painkillers brought up since these type of drugs have nothing to do with propofol or the circunstances of MJ's death.

Thank you for making sense

 

[twinklEE]

THANK YOU!!!!! now if you read one of my earlier post, i addressed tht n he/she didnt even RESPOND!!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME! thts why i had a hard time beliving he/she after tht

Hun, my life does not revolve around your posts. Since you're so desperate not to see any evidence against you beloved ex con's I'll happily
provide you this article, and if you hadn't been so desperately trying to avoid any 'evidence' you could have easily found this article on google, and in this section multiple times.

Another thing I'll do for you, is to highlight the interesting parts. And no my dear you don't have to thank me, as it's my pleasure.

http://articles.latimes.com/2000/oct/15/local/me-36885/2


WHO'S THE BOSS? A Los Angeles record company says it has kicked its president, Randy Jackson--brother of Michael and Janet--off its board of directors. And the company is suing Jackson for mismanagement.
In a lawsuit filed in Los Angeles Superior Court, Modern Records Inc. accuses the Jackson sib of failing to pay quarterly employee withholding taxes and health insurance premiums. The suit also alleges that Jackson misspent promotions money--most notably on apartments for him and a girlfriend, and to pay off charges the couple ran up on their credit cards. And, the suit states, he failed to disclose that he previously had filed for bankruptcy.
According to the suit, matters came to a head on Sept. 22, when the company elected a new board of directors--sans Jackson. A shareholders meeting also was held, and Jackson was removed as president.
According to the suit, Jackson refuses to recognize the ouster, saying the election was invalid. He also issued a news release saying he's still the boss at Modern Records. He continues to occupy the company's Beverly Hills office, the suit says.
Modern is asking Superior Court Judge Alexander H. Williams III to declare the ouster legal, issue a court order enjoining Jackson from meddling with company business, spending company money or bad-mouthing other board members and executives. It also seeks to boot him from the Beverly Hills office. Modern also is demanding more than $500,000 in damages. Randy Jackson could not be reached.

Failing to pay insurance premiums, withholding taxes, running up credit card bills, misspending money all this sounds SO SO SO SO damn awfully familiar, doesn't it?

 

[twinklEE]

EXCLUSIVE:Joe&KatherineJackson'sMultimillionDollarBankruptcyEXCLUSIVE: Joe & Katherine Jackson's Multimillion Dollar Bankruptcy

Posted on Jun 30, 2009 @ 05:43PM print it send it

Retna
Michael Jackson's parents have just recently come through their extremely complex and much-challenged bankruptcy proceeding. The couple filed for Chapter 7 Bankruptcy on March 1, 1999, and although their debts were "discharged" on June 13, 2000, there were so many adversarial motions from creditors, there were still filings coming in as of May 22, 2008, according to court documents obtained by RadarOnline.com.
In their initial petition, the Jacksons listed their assets in the $100,000 - $500,000 range and their estimated debts in the $10 - $50 million range.
Among the debts: $34,91602 was owed on a 1994 Mercedes Benz, $60,130.94 on a 1998 Land Rover, and $36,368.29 on a Land Rover Discovery. $32,561.06 was owed on personal income taxes to the State of California, and they were in to the IRS for $117,871.76. They owed $18 million on one lawsuit judgment and $4 million on another. They owned legal fees to several attorneys including Brian Oxman, who still works with them.
One interesting side note: the couple claimed "month to month tenancy only" on their residence in Encino, CA which they point out is owned by their son.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...erine-jacksons-multimillion-dollar-bankruptcy

I believe Oxbrain is working pro bono

http://books.google.de/books?id=TroDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA14&lpg=PA14&dq=randy+jackson+convicted+domestic+abuse&source=bl&ots=7TiiTAbnfc&sig=kTSu_HiBfkyRUZdxYag76RxYiyw&hl=de&ei=QEoTTZ6ZN5GdOr3e8eAI&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

Wonder how it must feel beating your little 14 month old baby, and the mother of your child, must be an awesome feeling.

 

[chanel05]

THANK YOU!! From day one, starting with Joe Jackson, Michael's family has acted as if Michael killed himself. They have not shown one ounce of ANGER at the MURDERER, Conrad Murray. They have been passive and dismissive and calling this cowardly MURDERER a "fall guy". I've never seen any other family react the way that this family has when their loved one-the most famous man on earth- was murdered. It is beyond belief and totally pathetic to witness.

the reason they thought it may have been suicide is because nobody knew anything abt muarry n propofol until after the fact. tht didnt come out until many days after his death. you do know tht muarry kept the proprofol from the emts n the doctors. i dnt think they found tht out until tht nurse spoke up abt it.

 

[chanel05]

yes, and that's exactly the reason why you continue to excuse and defend the inexcusable and indefensible, because you don't care.

no i really dnt care tht much. i dnt care enough to sit behind a computer and spew hate and anger towards people i dnt kno and never met

 

[pilinlim]

no i really dnt care tht much. i dnt care enough to sit behind a computer and spew hate and anger towards people i dnt kno and never met

Funny how you keep ignoring my posts. The truth hurts, doesn't it?

And stop acting with moral superiority by talking how it's sooo wrong to hate people we don't know over and over and over again. People, whether we know them or not, get judged by their actions, you know? We wouldn't hate the family if they hadn't given us reasons. In fact, they keep on giving us reasons to hate them on a daily basis. Their past and their present are inexcusable as they almost force the ones who don't bury their heads in the sand to despise them.

 

[chanel05]

Hun, my life does not revolve around your posts. Since you're so desperate not to see any evidence against you beloved ex con's I'll happily
provide you this article, and if you hadn't been so desperately trying to avoid any 'evidence' you could have easily found this article on google, and in this section multiple times.

Another thing I'll do for you, is to highlight the interesting parts. And no my dear you don't have to thank me, as it's my pleasure.



Failing to pay insurance premiums, withholding taxes, running up credit card bills, misspending money all this sounds SO SO SO SO damn awfully familiar, doesn't it?

i never said anything revolved around me. but you did thank another poster for replying to me so tht means tht you read it and just had nothing to say about it. well, thanks for the info. n i will highlight some things for you, you dont have to thank me either.

"In a lawsuit filed in Los Angeles Superior Court, Modern Records Inc. ACCUSES the Jackson sib of failing to pay quarterly employee withholding taxes and health insurance premiums. The suit also ALLEGES that Jackson misspent promotions money--most notably on apartments for him and a girlfriend, and to pay off charges the couple ran up on their credit cards. And, the suit states, he failed to disclose that he previously had filed for bankruptcy."

"Modern is asking Superior Court Judge Alexander H. Williams III to declare the ouster legal, issue a court order enjoining Jackson from meddling with company business, spending company money or bad-mouthing other board members and executives. It also seeks to boot him from the Beverly Hills office. Modern also is demanding more than $500,000 in damages."
-you really need to READ stuff because this doesnt say whether he did or didnt do it. it talks about the suit that is FILED against him. thats why you see words like ACCUSES n ALLEGES. just because its filed in court doesnt make it true. n i would think an mj fan would be some of the first to know that, guess not. n if this was talking about what he DID the article would use different words and it would talk about what he is ordered to pay n how he was removed because they found evidence that they did that. BUT IT DOESNT. in this article they are goin to the judge to TRY TO SEEK damages and get him removed, which means that NOTHING HAS BEEN PROVEN YET(by the time this article was written)

p.s.: im not tryin to be rude, mean or whatever.... but you need to REALLY read stuff before you post it cause in the end it never helps your argument out. just like the link posted in your siggy, this article works against you in many ways. it just makes you seem like you dont know what you are talking about. idk how old you are, or how much schooling youve had but judging by what you post, you really need TO READ AND COMPREHEND what you try to throw at people as if it actually proves something.

 

[Big Apple2]

DANG!

The MAJORITY of the Jackson family are just not good when it comes to money management.

Looking at the article regarding Joe & Katherine's bankruptcy, it appears to be a classic case of folks living above their means and not knowing how to make the right investments, i.e. Joe Cola (LOL), I wonder how much was lost on that deal to nowhere.

And the PORN GUY deal shows me that "some" folks have STILL not learned their lesson!

To be honest, I was quite shocked to know that Joe & Katherine didn't set up some type of NEST EGG for themselves which would have provided for their later years. All of that money earned, and basically NOTHING to show for it.

 

[Memefan]

Why even bother with a troll? Seriously...

**side eyes**

I am done wasting my time answering people who can't do their own damn research. They can keep defending that greedy family until they are blue in the face...the facts remain.

 

[StacyJ]

and once again it doesn't appear that baby sis and the youngest child of the family helped her parents one bit with any of their debts.

Anyway I have a feeling that Ms Damita Jo, and Steven Randall will be called as witnesses in Murray's defense. I just have a feeling that those two will be questioned about MJ's alleged addictions and their supposed interventions.

 

[chanel05]

Funny how you keep ignoring my posts. The truth hurts, doesn't it?

And stop acting with moral superiority by talking how it's sooo wrong to hate people we don't know over and over and over again. People, whether we know them or not, get judged by their actions, you know? We wouldn't hate the family if they hadn't given us reasons. In fact, they keep on giving us reasons to hate them on a daily basis. Their past and their present are inexcusable as they almost force the ones who don't bury their heads in the sand to despise them.

the only post i have been replying to are the ones tht i am quoted in, thts it but if you replied to me in another waythen i dunno cause i wasnt quoted. n im not actin like i have moral superiority, im just saying thats MY reason for not spewing so much hate about the jackson family. it seems like if others dont hate the family as much as you do or have a different opinion then its wrong. I understand judging someone, but some of you just HATE FOR NO REASON. what reason have they given YOU to hate them??? what have they done to YOU? n no one that i dnt know personally gives me a reason to hate them PERIOD!!!

 

[StacyJ]

Why even bother with a troll? Seriously...

**side eyes**

I am done wasting my time answering people who can't do their own damn research. They can keep defending that greedy family until they are blue in the face...the facts remain.

True.. the facts remain is right

 

[chanel05]

So?


In what way not knowing about Propofol has to do with calling your relative a druggie? Shouldn't it have the reverse effect?

Propofol is a proof that Jackson was NOT a drug addict [read above comment made by me] so knowing or not knowing about it is irrelevant.


Seeing Jfam fans struggling with hard and factual evidence is the funniest thing in internet since the invention of youtube.

i said they didnt know about propofol so that swhy they werent ruling out suicide. n no it wouldnt have a reverse affect cause you still can be addicted to propofol. n propofol isnt could be proof that he wasnt an addict if thats all he was using at the time. tht would just make him an propofol addict. n evidence isnt working against me at all. im doing just fine.

 

[Big Apple2]

Anyway I have a feeling that Ms Damita Jo, and Steven Randall will be called as witnesses in Murray's defense. I just have a feeling that those two will be questioned about MJ's alleged addictions and their supposed interventions.

I don't know about Randy, but I would not be surprised if Murray's team either calls Janet to the stand OR brings up her PUBLIC comments while giving their opening statements.

We all basically know that Murray's team is STRUGGLING to find some sort of defense and Ms. Janet has definitely given them "something" to banter around.

If nothing else, it would just muddy the waters for the prosecution, while creating a soundbite for the press!

"Michael Jackson's OWN Sister Said.........."

 

[twinklEE]

Why even bother with a troll? Seriously...

**side eyes**

I am done wasting my time answering people who can't do their own damn research. They can keep defending that greedy family until they are blue in the face...the facts remain.

true true, guess gotta add another newbie to that list. a shame indeed.

 

[chanel05]

Here's the part neither you nor Strawberry nor any other blind mouse understands;

Michael took Propofol because he was an insomniac who was desperate to sleep, not because he was addicted. Besides, Propofol has nothing to do with pain. It is not, in any way, a painkiller drug.
Third point; it's medically and scientifically impossible for Michael to have been addicted to Propofol. A person addicted to it can't even walk, open his/her eyes or talk...let alone rehearse for hours and hours and hours. Therefore, the fact that there are 100+ hours of taped rehearsals immeadiately kills any "addicted to Propofol" theory.

To sum up; yes, Michael did ask for Propofol. Why? Because he was an insomniac desperate to get some sleep. It has ZERO to do with drug addiction and is not, in any form, shape or way, a proof of that.

What I'm still struggling to understand is how, exactly, do painkillers entered the conversation. Why were painkillers brought up since these type of drugs have nothing to do with propofol or the circunstances of MJ's death.

1) propofol is NOT something you take for insomnia to begin with. so him just using it period is DANGEROUS
2)I know what porpofol is and what it does
3) what you stated is not true. i read an article about propofol addicts n most are THE DOCTORS WHO ADMINISITER IT. NOT PATIENTS. thats one of the reasons why it was so crazy that mj would have to use that everynight. why would they not be able to walk or open their eyes to talk? the one thing that makes propofol so WONDERFUL is that the effects of propofol WEAR OFF QUICKLY unlike others of its kind. n the reason the effects youve mentioned happen is becasue they inject themselves mulitple times a day. He didnt
4)no one said propofol had to do with drug addiction.
5)the perscription pill subject came up because of what was said in an interview.

 

[chanel05]

DANG!

The MAJORITY of the Jackson family are just not good when it comes to money management.

Looking at the article regarding Joe & Katherine's bankruptcy, it appears to be a classic case of folks living above their means and not knowing how to make the right investments, i.e. Joe Cola (LOL), I wonder how much was lost on that deal to nowhere.

And the PORN GUY deal shows me that "some" folks have STILL not learned their lesson!

To be honest, I was quite shocked to know that Joe & Katherine didn't set up some type of NEST EGG for themselves which would have provided for their later years. All of that money earned, and basically NOTHING to show for it.

yea thats true. there is no reason that ANY of them should have/had any money problems. thats sad that they made more money than most people will see in life n its GONE

 

[twinklEE]

I don't know about Randy, but I would not be surprised if Murray's team either calls Janet to the stand OR brings up her PUBLIC comments while giving their opening statements.

We all basically know that Murray's team is STRUGGLING to find some sort of defense and Ms. Janet has definitely given them "something" to banter around.

If nothing else, it would just muddy the waters for the prosecution, while creating a soundbite for the press!

"Michael Jackson's OWN Sister Said.........."

I'd love to see her and the rest of those who ran their mouth' be ripped by the prosecution during the cross exam.

 

[pilinlim]

i said they didnt know about propofol so that swhy they werent ruling out suicide. n no it wouldnt have a reverse affect cause you still can be addicted to propofol. n propofol isnt could be proof that he wasnt an addict if thats all he was using at the time. tht would just make him an propofol addict. n evidence isnt working against me at all. im doing just fine.

I'm going to re post something:

"Here's the part neither you nor Strawberry nor any other blind mouse understands;

Michael took Propofol because he was an insomniac who was desperate to sleep, not because he was addicted. Besides, Propofol has nothing to do with pain. It is not, in any way, a painkiller drug.
Third point; it's medically and scientifically impossible for Michael to have been addicted to Propofol. A person addicted to it can't even walk, open his/her eyes or talk...let alone rehearse for hours and hours and hours. Therefore, the fact that there are 100+ hours of taped rehearsals immeadiately kills any "addicted to Propofol" theory.

To sum up; yes, Michael did ask for Propofol. Why? Because he was an insomniac desperate to get some sleep. It has ZERO to do with drug addiction and is not, in any form, shape or way, a proof of that.

What I'm still struggling to understand is how, exactly, do painkillers entered the conversation. Why were painkillers brought up since these type of drugs have nothing to do with propofol or the circunstances of MJ's death."


READ and you'll understand my post.

Just one thing; Pol Pot has never done anything to me but I hate him anyway. The Jacksons have never done anything to me but, in the condition of absolute monsters, few feeling are left gto have for them.

 

[chanel05]

Why even bother with a troll? Seriously...

**side eyes**

I am done wasting my time answering people who can't do their own damn research. They can keep defending that greedy family until they are blue in the face...the facts remain.

so im a troll cause i dnt agree with what has already been said. WOW!!!!!!! n there is NO RESEARCH TO DO!!!! there arent CREDIBLE articles to support MOST OF THE THINGS(95%) of whats been said here(myself included). so to act like yall info is so much better then mine is funny.

 

[pilinlim]

1) propofol is NOT something you take for insomnia to begin with. so him just using it period is DANGEROUS
2)I know what porpofol is and what it does
3) what you stated is not true. i read an article about propofol addicts n most are THE DOCTORS WHO ADMINISITER IT. NOT PATIENTS. thats one of the reasons why it was so crazy that mj would have to use that everynight. why would they not be able to walk or open their eyes to talk? the one thing that makes propofol so WONDERFUL is that the effects of propofol WEAR OFF QUICKLY unlike others of its kind. n the reason the effects youve mentioned happen is becasue they inject themselves mulitple times a day. He didnt
4)no one said propofol had to do with drug addiction.
5)the perscription pill subject came up because of what was said in an interview.

1. True but it still doesn't mean he was some kind of a raging druggie. It means he was desperate to get some sleep. It's not dangerous to use it as long as you have proper equipment and a competent anesthesist.
2. Do you?
3. In Michael's case, it was Murray who admnistered it. In fact that is stated in the autopsy report.
People addicted to Propofol can't even walk or open their eyes properly due to the effects of continuous, no time table use. The fact that there are 100+ hours of taped rehearsals proves Michael wasn't addicted to it; he used it everynight to be able to sleep.
The fact that MJ didn't inject himself multiple times a day proves me right once again; he had time tables, addicts do not and only used it at night, to get some sleep. An addict will be injected with Propofol multiple times a day. Michael got injected with Propofol once a day, at night. Then again; Michael used Propofol to sleep since he was an insomniac. The fact that he didn't get injected with Propo multiple times a day is yet another evidence that he wasn't addicted to it; a drug addict (Propofol or otherwise) will take a drug multiple times a day.
4. Shut your mouth. You implied that.
5. I was talking about the factual evidence surrounding his death.

 

[Memefan]

and once again it doesn't appear that baby sis and the youngest child of the family helped her parents one bit with any of their debts.

Anyway I have a feeling that Ms Damita Jo, and Steven Randall will be called as witnesses in Murray's defense. I just have a feeling that those two will be questioned about MJ's alleged addictions and their supposed interventions.

I don't know about Randy, but I would not be surprised if Murray's team either calls Janet to the stand OR brings up her PUBLIC comments while giving their opening statements.

We all basically know that Murray's team is STRUGGLING to find some sort of defense and Ms. Janet has definitely given them "something" to banter around.

If nothing else, it would just muddy the waters for the prosecution, while creating a soundbite for the press!

"Michael Jackson's OWN Sister Said.........."

No they will not be called on no damn stand.....because they know nothing about MJ's life since the 2005 trial.

But I would so love it if they were put on the stand.....finally the truth about how little they knew/saw MJ & his kids.


The Jacksons are acting all important NOW because MJ is not here to muzzle them...

 

[pilinlim]

so im a troll cause i dnt agree with what has already been said. WOW!!!!!!! n there is NO RESEARCH TO DO!!!! there arent CREDIBLE articles to support MOST OF THE THINGS(95%) of whats been said here(myself included). so to act like yall info is so much better then mine is funny.

The difference, you blind Jfam fan mouse, is that you do NOT have ANY info.
Me and everyone who "attack" the Jacksons have info to support E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G we say. We can prove every word we say, honey.

 

[CherubimII]

So, far we have only the words of Conrad Murray as to
how Michael Jackson's life on this Earth was ended, and
I don't believe anything Conrad Murray says.