Michael - The Great Album Debate

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

any proof of that ?

I don't understand your question. WBSS 2008 remix is released on Thriller 25. Michael's background vocals are throughout the song. The verse featured Michael was recorded in 2007 according to the song credit.

Okay, even if we don't consider WBSS 2008. How about Hold My Hand? Hold My Hand is recorded in 2007. Michael sounds great. His vocals save the song. How could we explain the discrepancies in the quality of the vocals between HMH and the Cascio tracks given the fact that they are recorded within months?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

I'm really, REALLY surprised at the growing list of excuses as to why Michael Jackson does not sound like Michael Jackson on the 3 Casico tracks. The answer is simple, because it's NOT him!

Listen, Michael is a BEAST in the studio, if anything, Michael would have given 150% in these songs knowing how people may be thinking he was gone and forgotten. Michael dealt with the pressures of fame all his life, it wouldn't alter the tone, strength, pronunciation, skill, depth of his voice! I said it before, ill say it again...if the REAL MJ sang this songs, and you heard it compared to the versions on MICHAEL I feel a lot of the fans fighting for the authenticity of these songs would be astounded and embarrassed that they so easily believed those questionable vocals to be Michael.

I havent heard ONE explanation as to why the vocals/tone/pitch/pronunciation on the Malachi tracks and the Casico tracks are IDENTICAL! And if you think they arent then that is true denial...and if you think the voice on the Casico tracks sound more like Michael than Jason...well, I feel bad that those people cant tell the difference.

I know its hard, we all want Michael back...but ill be damned if I accept those 3 tracks as MJ - thats a total insult to MJ's legacy...is he SO easily replaced?

Accepting those vocals to be MJ would be like seeing E'Casinova in concert and accepting HIM as MJ.

The reasoning about Michael not sounding like himself because of stress, the trial, being older....its baloney. None of it adds up. All I hear are excuses...to me its just as believable as "The dog ate my homework".

In the words of Michael "why do we keep fooling ourselves?"

Listen a little closer people. That is not our Michael. I know, you want to believe it. I wanted to as well before the album came out and all the controversy, but it is what it is.

I really hope the truth comes out one day. Michaels voice had FIRE in it....no matter what..and there is no fire in any of the casico tracks. At the end of the day I feel bad for the fans that cant tell the difference but I guess some of our listening skills are a little more advanced than others.


Whether you want to acknowledge or not, the odds are against you. Your best bet already claimed it's not him, anything disputing that as of now, is pure speculation. As well as why he may sound different, it works both ways.

You act as if Michael knew what was going to happen to him, these songs sound like they were done, with the intention of being re-worked later on down the line, how no one realizes that, is mind-boggling to me. It's blatantly obvious in some of the lyrics. But no, some rather believe this guy would make half assed songs, production wise, when he doesn't even do that on his own album, but believe he'd do it on this one, to fool the world, with half assed songs. It doesn't add up.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

the best persons who can identify the voice are americans imo

is there any "consensus" between American fans about the voice or there still debate ?


I kind of agree being that we can spot the difference of pronunciation faster than someone who may not be from the US...not to say that other people cant, it would just be easier to hear the inconsistencies of the MJ accent and pronunciation.

I would love to see a pole that asked age/demographic of those believing and not believing.
 
Kapital77;3199454 said:
LOKA, is impossible with you.

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I prefer don´t wasting my time trying to show you that you are wrong in many things that you said.

It´s impossible that you will understand that Malachi´s voice is the one from the Cascio´s tracks or that Mj worked with Will i am and Rodney Jerkins in Ireland Studio.

You are against whatever anyone told you about fake tracks on "MICHAEL".

i only ask for proofs !

it's what you ask too for the cascios songs...you should understand !

any proof that MJ re-recorded its vocals on WBSS 2008 ?

any comparison between Will I Am sessions and the Cascios Sessions ?

I would really appreciate some serious statements with proofs here...
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

I don't understand your question. WBSS 2008 remix is released on Thriller 25. Michael's background vocals are throughout the song. The verse featured Michael was recorded in 2007 according to the song credit.


really ?

I never bought "Thriller 25" because the remixes are really bad imo


are you sure that it is specified that MJ re-recorded WBSS in 2007 ?

Is it clearly written that MJ re-recorded the song ?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

the best persons who can identify the voice are americans imo

is there any "consensus" between american fans about the voice or there still debate ?

Americans are not enough. They can only judge the accent for sure, but not the voice and phonetics unless they are language / music professionals.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

You can HEAR that the parts in WBSS2008 are NEW - just GO and listen to it!!!!!!!!!!!!! :doh:
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

How about Hold My Hand? Hold My Hand is recorded in 2007. Michael sounds great.

MJ's voice has never been so autotuned than on HMH...

there is a gap between HMH and Best of Joy...as fas as there is a gap between HMH and "stay" for example.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

i only ask for proofs !

it's what you ask too for the cascios songs...you should understand !

any proof that MJ re-recorded its vocals on WBSS 2008 ?

any comparison between Will I Am sessions and the Cascios Sessions ?

I would really appreciate some serious statements with proofs here...

How familiar are you with WBSS 2008? May I suggest you listen to the song again?

The background vocals and that one verse featured Michael are clearly newly recorded for Thriller 25.

Thriller 25 was a project approved by Michael himself and released in 2008. Why are you asking for proof of a song that Michael approved himself?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

i only ask for proofs !

it's what you ask too for the cascios songs...you should understand !

any proof that MJ re-recorded its vocals on WBSS 2008 ?

any comparison between Will I Am sessions and the Cascios Sessions ?

I would really appreciate some serious statements with proofs here...

It's in the credits, I believe.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

You can HEAR that the parts in WBSS2008 are NEW - just GO and listen to it!!!!!!!!!!!!! :doh:

that's what you call a proof ?

different means new...ok, I didn't know...

I only ask for proof, real proof...credit ? statment ? quote ? which verse ?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Latest post from malachi....
"i can't say yes, i can't say no. Read between the lines"
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Whether you want to acknowledge or not, the odds are against you. Your best bet already claimed it's not him, anything disputing that as of now, is pure speculation. As well as why he may sound different, it works both ways.

You act as if Michael knew what was going to happen to him, these songs sound like they were done, with the intention of being re-worked later on down the line, how no one realizes that, is mind-boggling to me. It's blatantly obvious in some of the lyrics. But no, some rather believe this guy would make half assed songs, production wise, when he doesn't even do that on his own album, but believe he'd do it on this one, to full the world, with half assed songs. It doesn't add up.

HUH? Your paragraph doesnt make much sense but I'll try to respond to what I think you were trying to say....

When did Malachi say it wasnt him?

What do you mean they "sound like they were done"? All you've heard is the finished product. You havent heard the raw vocals, you havent heard how the songs sounded prior to Teddy Riley re-working them (and HE said they were NOT ready to be released in the condition he got them in) so....where are you getting this idea that the songs were "done"? WHat's blatantly obvious in the lyrics? Lyrics are lyrics, anyone can write them and to even further that argument, the lyrics of the casico tracks are a tired retread of better songs Michael has already released! Its not even original content!

And what are you talking about...ALL of the Casico tracks AND the Malachi tracks are waaaaaaaaay behind in production quality of any prior releases of Michael Jackson.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

that's what you call a proof ?

different means new...ok, I didn't know...

I only ask for proof, real proof...credit ? statment ? quote ? which verse ?

You don't need proof, you can HEAR it with your ears!

Get your copy of T25 and listen to the damn thing. Read the booklet. Listen to the ad-libs. Thats a MATURE michael singing one of his classics.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Waaay behind in production quality? Yeah right! Think of the title track to Invincible. You don't think some of these songs are produced any better than that? At least MUSICALLY? Invincible is a great song, but the production could have been better, in my opinion.

The music rocks on this album!
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

really ?

I never bought "Thriller 25" because the remixes are really bad imo


are you sure that it is specified that MJ re-recorded WBSS in 2007 ?

Is it clearly written that MJ re-recorded the song ?

Do me a favor. Before you ask all these questions, please listen to WBSS 2008 first and trust your ears.

See the damage of the Cascio tracks did to us. Now, we are asking proof for everything, even for songs that Michael clearly worked on.

Sigh... financially, the Estate scored another winner. But, this album costs fans' faith and goodwill.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

I really have to laugh hard about some people here.
Samhabib, Arklove, love is magical, that jaxxxon guy & some others...

Today samhabib raised the question WHY eddie cascio had registered the songs 2 days after Michaels passing. I think that was the main question of today. And there was a serious discussion going on about that.
With long statements from different people and more or less profound argumentation in either direction.

Than, at least to my understanding, it became relatively clear that there isn't anything suspicious about that very fact. Nothing sinister going on!
Ivy had some very good points and hard FACTS, esp. the text of the registration itself.
Which made clear in some points, that samhabib had based his argumentation on wrong info from roger friedman. no mumbling, i don't hear him, JM-Talk, complete lyrics, impostor sings full out, etc, etc, etc.. ALL OVER AGAIN, ALL OVER THE PLACE. The same senseless, ignorant faketalk, this forum has to bear since two month.

And all because the nonbelievers went out of arguments on actual debate of today.
->The "why eddie registered 2 days after Michaels passing" question.

You simply behave and you simply are laughable!!!

Good night!
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

You don't need proof, you can HEAR it with your ears!


so when we say that we don't need proof on the cascio tracks because we have ears, you say : "no, we need the proofs"

About WBSS 2008, you say you don't need any proof ...

Not very fair...and not helpfull for the debate.

WBSS 2008 could be an original Demo with voice on melodyne or autotuned like HMH...

don't you think that it is possible ?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

^^ The last several pages in this thread have shown fantastic debating, as far as I'm concerned...No name calling, no disrespect....And, then you come in here saying those people and the content are 'laughable?'...First, check yourself, and then look again at what you've just posted...
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

HUH? Your paragraph doesnt make much sense but I'll try to respond to what I think you were trying to say....

When did Malachi say it wasnt him?

What do you mean they "sound like they were done"? All you've heard is the finished product. You havent heard the raw vocals, you havent heard how the songs sounded prior to Teddy Riley re-working them (and HE said they were NOT ready to be released in the condition he got them in) so....where are you getting this idea that the songs were "done"? WHat's blatantly obvious in the lyrics? Lyrics are lyrics, anyone can write them and to even further that argument, the lyrics of the casico tracks are a tired retread of better songs Michael has already released! Its not even original content!

And what are you talking about...ALL of the Casico tracks AND the Malachi tracks are waaaaaaaaay behind in production quality of any prior releases of Michael Jackson.


The statement from his manager, stating his client didn't sing a single note on the album. If you want to believe this statement wasn't on the behalf of Jason, be my guest, but that would be highly unlikely.

If you can't listen to a song, and tell it's incomplete then it's not much I can explain to you, unless you have experience in recording and producing music. Some of these songs, have the wrong over-dubbings, meaning, for example in a song like Stay, there's a over-dubbing for the line "in case you change your mind", it's incorrectly over-dubbed with the vocal from the last line, instead of doubling with "change your mind", it's over layered with "Say goodbye", it's an obvious mistake in the production.

Here's another, when certain lyrics don't seem to make sense, can be another sign the song had the intention's of being re-worked, "When you left with all your dreams, I couldn't say goodnight"? That whole line alone implies the intention of it being re-worded at a later date, certain wording may have been rearranged in later drafts of the song.

All I Need only has one complete verse, only thing that differs is the two lines in the second, then it begins to repeat.


Like I said, it may be difficult for you to understand, unless you have experience in recording, producing, and the mastering of vocals. And yes, while Malachi's own songs make be lacking the production that Michael's had, they're still completed songs, his vocals are properly mastered, there's no wrong over-dubs, and the songs are complete. For the life of me, I can't figure out why Sony would bring this guy in, only to half ass the production and send him on his way with a confidentiality agreement. Everything I just said is a plausible explanation regarding the authenticity of these recordings.

Latest post from malachi....
"i can't say yes, i can't say no. Read between the lines"

Where's the source?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Loka do you know what Michael's voice sounded like at the time he made the demo for WBSS and other songs for that era???
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Waaay behind in production quality? Yeah right! Think of the title track to Invincible. You don't think some of these songs are produced any better than that? At least MUSICALLY? Invincible is a great song, but the production could have been better, in my opinion.

The music rocks on this album!


Well, if you think your production instincts are better than Michaels.....feel free!
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

^^ The last several pages in this thread have shown fantastic debating, as far as I'm concerned...No name calling, no disrespect....And, then you come in here saying those people and the content are 'laughable?'...First, check yourself, and then look again at what you've just posted...

Well said
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Wow...are we really questioning WBSS 08 now??
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

Well, if you think your production instincts are better than Michaels.....feel free!
I don't think so, but I don't know if Michael would have approved of the music on the album or not. I don't think he would have approved of the vocal takes, but I don't know why he'd hate the music his produced in honor of him.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

I thought WBSS 2008 was the one legitimate, undiputed track recorded at the Cascios.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

The source is jason's official website which now requires a password to view. He's been posting messages like that and 'this is it, the truth is coming' all day
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Cascio Controversy Thread)

If he's recorded one vocal take there, what makes you think he didn't record more?

It seems, to me, like Jason Malachi's accounts and websites are being taken over by hackers out to cause confusion. It doesn't sound like Malachi at all.
 
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