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Re: Interviews by Sade Anding (Girlfriend on Phone with Murray) Sun & GMA Posts 4&13

Yes, this is beginning to worry me.

Why did she go to the media ?? Could this help Murray's defense ? Could they attack her credibility ? How far can this go ??

Why the time descrepency ? During the prelim she said she got the call at 12 30 Houston time , so 10 30 LA time, when the phone records say 11 51.

At the end of the interview, she was asked if she believed Murray could be guilty of manslaughter, and she says no, then the rest of her answer is cut.

I don't know what to think of all that
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tbh it doesnt matter what she thinks. shes only there to show murray was on the phone and what happend at just after midday. ie the phone being dropped etc. its helping the pros to set a timeline of events. even if shes covering for him its still damging as it took 20 mins to call 911 and all the covering up
 
This is the list of phonecalls and texts sent to and from Murray that day.

- relevant data activity
12:03 pm text
12:04 text message to or from TX
12. 13 pm data
12:18 pm data
12:53 pm text mesage California
1:23 pm text message Nevada

- list of phone calls
10:29 am call from ? to Murray’s phone 22 minutes
11:07 am from 3233 to Murray’s phone 1 minute
11 18 am call from 0973 placed 6802 and that call logged at 32 minutes.
missed listing one call
11:49 am call placed from Murray to 4989 3 minutes.
11:51 am a call placed from Murry to 3832 11 minutes.
12:12 pm from Murray phone to 2570 lasted 1 minute
12:15 pm from 2570 to conrad Murray 1 minute

Looking at that list of calls it seems to me that murray knew full well before he placed this call to Sade Anding that Michael was dead with no chance of revival and that this call was made (with or without the knowledge of the girl) to serve a purpose for Murray and it as not to just have a chat.
Also it is clear from the above list that Murray was texting and making calls both before and after the phone call to Sade. So no matter what way you look at it Murray looks really bad.
If it were true that he realised MJ was in trouble during the call to Sade what on earth was he doing sending texts immediately after the call to her? Is it not then that he should have been doing CPR for real? (instead of the fake 'for show' CPR he did for the bodyguards to see later on)
Lets not forget that Murray claimed to have given the propofol between 10.40 and 11 but if you look at the above list you will see he was actually on a call from 10.29 until 10.50...so when was it exactly that Michael was allegedly 'begging' him for propofol? (Murray is a ****** liar)
So Murray was simultaneously injecting propofol whilst chatting on the phone and then for a whole hour after he finished injecting propofol up until the call to Sade he was making a series of other calls and texts.... And then after the call to Sade he managed to get and respond to an email and make and receive two other phonecalls despite the fact hat he had apparetnly just realised Michael wasn't breathing.......
Murray is as gulity as sin and i pray that he gets the maximum possible sentence for his crime.
Murray makes me feel sick,he really does. Yuk. The evidence against him seems so damning i just cannot fathom how he has got such a lenient charge. I mean am i missing something or what? I just don't get it. It's ****** crazy.
 
Re: Interviews by Sade Anding (Girlfriend on Phone with Murray) Sun & GMA Posts 4&13

Also it is clear from the above list that Murray was texting and making calls both before and after the phone call to Sade. So no matter what way you look at it Murray looks really bad.
If it were true that he realised MJ was in trouble during the call to Sade what on earth was he doing sending texts immediately after the call to her?
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those phonecalls right after the call to sade were to mjs staff (amir) and the txts were from sade to murray

12. 13 pm data
12:18 pm data
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di we ever find out what those were?

12:53 pm text mesage California
1:23 pm text message Nevada
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and were the above sent or recieved by him?
 
Re: Interviews by Sade Anding (Girlfriend on Phone with Murray) Sun & GMA Posts 4&13

That's true elusive. Thanks for pointing that out to me. what about the email though? Didn't they say during the prelims that Murray responded to an email form the insurance company? Aren't those emails the two 'data' ones mentioned above?
 
Re: Interviews by Sade Anding (Girlfriend on Phone with Murray) Sun & GMA Posts 4&13

why did Murray call Michael Amir? He should've called 911 right away and then called Amir
 
Re: Interviews by Sade Anding (Girlfriend on Phone with Murray) Sun & GMA Posts 4&13

what time was the email? i thought he sent a reply at 11 something. that only became known to the police just b4 the prelim so might not be included in our data list


below from tmz. last paragraph is intresting if its coming from a pros source. we have talked about that alot but tell me if im wrong but its the first time we are hearing it from a source/media

Conrad's Ex Pokes Holes in Murray's MJ Defense

Dr. Conrad Murray's ex-girlfriend claims Murray knew something was wrong with Michael Jackson at the start of a phone call he made to her on the day MJ died -- a complete contradiction to Murray's story.

Sade Anding told Good Morning America Conrad had called her "out of the blue" on June 25, 2009 -- and from the beginning of the call, he "didn't sound like himself at all."

Anding claims she asked Murray what was wrong and he only replied, "Well ...."

That's when Sade claims Murray stopped talking ... and Sade claims she could hear someone "coughing" followed by a "mumbling of voices."

As TMZ previously reported, Murray told police he was on the phone with someone for a solid 5 minutes before he noticed something was wrong with MJ and got off the phone.

Prosecutors believe Murray may have known there was a problem earlier than he claims ... and may have used the time to cover up and make calls to establish his own timeli
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mjjesamor;3228507 said:
This is the list of phonecalls and texts sent to and from Murray that day.

- relevant data activity
12:03 pm text
12:04 text message to or from TX
12. 13 pm data
12:18 pm data
12:53 pm text mesage California
1:23 pm text message Nevada

- list of phone calls
10:29 am call from ? to Murray’s phone 22 minutes
11:07 am from 3233 to Murray’s phone 1 minute
11 18 am call from 0973 placed 6802 and that call logged at 32 minutes.
missed listing one call
11:49 am call placed from Murray to 4989 3 minutes.
11:51 am a call placed from Murry to 3832 11 minutes.
12:12 pm from Murray phone to 2570 lasted 1 minute
12:15 pm from 2570 to conrad Murray 1 minute

Looking at that list of calls it seems to me that murray knew full well before he placed this call to Sade Anding that Michael was dead with no chance of revival and that this call was made (with or without the knowledge of the girl) to serve a purpose for Murray and it as not to just have a chat.
Also it is clear from the above list that Murray was texting and making calls both before and after the phone call to Sade. So no matter what way you look at it Murray looks really bad.
If it were true that he realised MJ was in trouble during the call to Sade what on earth was he doing sending texts immediately after the call to her? Is it not then that he should have been doing CPR for real? (instead of the fake 'for show' CPR he did for the bodyguards to see later on)
Lets not forget that Murray claimed to have given the propofol between 10.40 and 11 but if you look at the above list you will see he was actually on a call from 10.29 until 10.50...so when was it exactly that Michael was allegedly 'begging' him for propofol? (Murray is a ****** liar)
So Murray was simultaneously injecting propofol whilst chatting on the phone and then for a whole hour after he finished injecting propofol up until the call to Sade he was making a series of other calls and texts.... And then after the call to Sade he managed to get and respond to an email and make and receive two other phonecalls despite the fact hat he had apparetnly just realised Michael wasn't breathing.......
Murray is as gulity as sin and i pray that he gets the maximum possible sentence for his crime.
Murray makes me feel sick,he really does. Yuk. The evidence against him seems so damning i just cannot fathom how he has got such a lenient charge. I mean am i missing something or what? I just don't get it. It's ****** crazy.
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I THANK YOU FOR YOUR POST, :agree:AND GOD BLESS YOU, FOREVER. :angel:
 
Re: Interviews by Sade Anding (Girlfriend on Phone with Murray) Sun & GMA Posts 4&13

Exactly Stacy!
You're welcome Cherub. Ivy has a great sticky thread with all the info. just been rereading it.
So i also i forgot that Murray had two phones and he was making and receiving calls on the other phone too-one of the calls on this phone coincides with a call on the other phone..

8:49 am from 5217 to Murray 53 seconds
10:22 am from 0124 to Murray 111 seconds
10:34 am from Murray to 3233 8 and a half minutes
11:26 am from 9566 to Murray seven seconds
1:08 pm from Murray to 070 2 minutes
So at around the time he claims that Michael was begging for propofol and the time he he started to inject propofol Murray was actaully at one point maintaining two phonecalls as well!!!
Elusive i think if that is what the prosecution are going to claim that they are spot on. That's my feeling too. He knew damn well and all those calls were part of his coverup. I remember when the call came out in the media that he had made to a cardiac patient.....i remember thinking it was strange and that it seemed to me to be part of his cover. Do you remeber that one?
 
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Re: Interviews by Sade Anding (Girlfriend on Phone with Murray) Sun & GMA Posts 4&13

Sade definitely shows a coverup by Murray! Yet, how stupid can she be to say he is a good man and not guilty of manslaughter!?

She admits he shouldn't have been on the phone in that moment so how is he not guilty?! o_O No matter what she says she unfortunately got some kind of feelings for this jerk! Eww!
 
Re: Interviews by Sade Anding (Girlfriend on Phone with Murray) Sun & GMA Posts 4&13

If you total up the listed times given that he was on the phone, not including the missed listing call and the data and text calls, it is 71 minutes between 1029 and 1215 that he was on the phone(s). That gives him a grand total of 35 minutes in that time period where he could, should have been watching Michael.
Between 1020 and 1040 he was giving propofol. But he was on the phone at the same time- 1022 for 111 seconds and 1034 for 8 1/2 minutes AND and 1029 he's on the phone for 22 minutes yet he said Michael feel asleep at 11 am. So for that 22 minutes Michael was awake while he was on the phone?

And for that 40 minutes where he is trying to get Michael to sleep by using a general anesthetic murray is on the phone how many minutes??

32 minutes.

And I don't understand how making calls will help establish a timeline for anything other than the time he was not monitoring Michael. For me, this is so damning.

One more thing, Sade said after 25 June she and m. didn't speak as often or as long because he was afraid the calls might be monitored. Seems if he was 'an innocent man' , he would have been more willing to talk with her not less and say innocent proving things to her.
But of course he isn't and therefore he can't.
 
Re: Interviews by Sade Anding (Girlfriend on Phone with Murray) Sun & GMA Posts 4&13

As I've been reading through this stuff, I find something even more very strange and even...creepy about Murray. When Ortega mentioned how Murray pretty much got on his case about "caring about Michael," I got a strange feeling. Murray really is just a creepy man. The fact that he would be treating Michael in a personal surrounding such as his home, not wanting others to "take of care of him" except for him, and saying that Michael misses him is all just very strange. Murray is a creepy, foolish man. I have no doubt he feels bad about what happened, but I really think something is not right with him.

Smh, the kind of people Michael let into his life...I don't get it.
 
Re: Interviews by Sade Anding (Girlfriend on Phone with Murray) Sun & GMA Posts 4&13

Murray was doing too much talking and texting to know what the hell was going on with MJ.. he was not watching him and I will like to hear how he will defend himself talking and infusing at the same time. He probably was infusing while MJ was dead. He wouldn't know the difference
 
CherubimII;3227276 said:
Michael Jackson Might Still Be Alive if Conrad Murray Hadn’t Been Chatting Me Up on the Phone, Claims Sade Anding

Sade said the first time she saw the cardiologist he handed her a $100 tip for a $10 drink. She recalled: "He told me he was from Trinidad and that he had started a clinic in Houston.

"Sure enough, he kept coming back and tipping well."

"Every time he saw me there was money involved, but I didn't ask for it.
"We went to a pizza place for lunch and as I was leaving he gave me a hug, grabbed my hand and gave me $450. Another time he asked me to come to his hotel and gave me a black strapless dress. We went for a meal.

Doc sat on hotel bed and wrote out a $500 cheque. He wanted me to join him...but I said I had to go


"After the meal we went to a bar. On the way he took out $400 from a bank and gave it to me. "Back at the hotel I sat in a chair in his room and he sat on the bed. He gets out a cheque book and writes something, rips out a sheet and gives it to me - it's a $500 cheque.
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So she is a whore or what? What guy would give a random girl hundreds of dollars?
 
Re: Interviews by Sade Anding (Girlfriend on Phone with Murray) Sun & GMA Posts 4&13

Wait, did I hear right? Murray promised to take her to London to meet Michael and the kids? Did this man actually think he was now apart of Michael Jackson somehow just because he was his doctor? Conrad Murray was on some ridiculous egotistical trip!
 
Re: Interviews by Sade Anding (Girlfriend on Phone with Murray) Sun & GMA Posts 4&13

ExoticPrincess - I tell you there was something about Michael that turned the people in his circle looney and when they were kicked to the curb they acted even loonier! There was just something about him and I think Murray got all caught up being in the personal doctor to the most famous man on this earth.
 
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StacyJ said:
Murray was doing too much talking and texting to know what the hell was going on with MJ.. he was not watching him and I will like to hear how he will defend himself talking and infusing at the same time. He probably was infusing while MJ was dead. He wouldn't know the difference
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I agree. Muarry had way too much going on... He was trying to multitask and he shouldn't have been.

bluetopez said:
Sade definitely shows a coverup by Murray! Yet, how stupid can she be to say he is a good man and not guilty of manslaughter!?

She admits he shouldn't have been on the phone in that moment so how is he not guilty?! o_O No matter what she says she unfortunately got some kind of feelings for this jerk! Eww!
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Thats what I don't get about her either. She found out during the interview that he still has a wife and aren't divorced. Hell, I knew that in '09 and I never met Muarry. If he has been lying to you all of this time what makes you think he is truthful. I think she is just young, stupid and naive.

Vici said:
So she is a whore or what? What guy would give a random girl hundreds of dollars?
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I wouldn't really call her a whore but who does she think she is fooling?!?! Girl we ain't stupid!! We know you was sleeping with his old ass. A man isn't gonna give you that kind of money and gifts and not receive something in return. If it just stayed at him hitting on her and tipping her really well @ the bar, then it would be different..... but she took the relationship outside of work. She probably thought she hit the jackpot.

Anyways.... What makes Muarry team so confident about there case.... I would just give up because off the phone records and his "many" timelines alone, he should be convicted.
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
tbh it doesnt matter what she thinks. shes only there to show murray was on the phone and what happend at just after midday. ie the phone being dropped etc. its helping the pros to set a timeline of events. even if shes covering for him its still damging as it took 20 mins to call 911 and all the covering up
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You are right, thanks

elusive moonwalker said:
12. 13 pm data
12:18 pm data
di we ever find out what those were?

12:53 pm text mesage California
1:23 pm text message Nevada
and were the above sent or recieved by him?
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No to both questions, we don't know that. The data could have been the phone connecting to the internet for some reason (receiving updates for example), not necessarily receiving or sending e mails

elusive moonwalker said:
what time was the email? i thought he sent a reply at 11 something. that only became known to the police just b4 the prelim so might not be included in our data list
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11 17 am.

elusive moonwalker said:
last paragraph is intresting if its coming from a pros source. we have talked about that alot but tell me if im wrong but its the first time we are hearing it from a source/media
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I'm not sure I ever read it from the media, I don't think so.

I have read it from nurses/doctors commenting the case, but they always insisted that it was just a theory, there is not enough info at this stage to be certain.

I noticed also that since the autopsy report came out a lot of them say time of death must have been between 11am and 12 25. Again, it's just a theory. According to the EMTs , they say their estimation is between 11 30 and 12 noon (20mn to an hour prior to their arrival)

If Murray had had a lot of time, then his cover up would have been better I guess. He would not have asked Alberto Alvarez to clean up, he would not have had to delay the ambulance.
And Murray was on the phone non stop from 11h18 until that Sade call.
 
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Re: Interviews by Sade Anding (Girlfriend on Phone with Murray) Sun & GMA Posts 4&13

If this phone call was part of cover up, then it's strange that he waited a ridiculously long time before dialing 911. It doesn't help him at all. Wouldn't it have made more sense for him to call her right before calling 911?
 
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Re: Interviews by Sade Anding (Girlfriend on Phone with Murray) Sun & GMA Posts 4&13

The cardiac patient he voice-mailed was named Bob Russell
 
Re: Interviews by Sade Anding (Girlfriend on Phone with Murray) Sun & GMA Posts 4&13

All the things that bas*** did make no sense. He did not come downstairs at a usual time. If it"s true what she is saying..then I am so disturbed and shocked and scared.
I am not going to say it out loud. Those sounds she heard....what was that...who was that...
I only pray and hope that the truth will come out.
 
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ExoticPrincess said:
Wait, did I hear right? Murray promised to take her to London to meet Michael and the kids? Did this man actually think he was now apart of Michael Jackson somehow just because he was his doctor? Conrad Murray was on some ridiculous egotistical trip!
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|Conrad is a bastard and I hope he will eventually get what's coming. He was obviously on an ego trip since day one, I mean just think, he was an indebted man, a doctor who'd only have poor patients. Then he met THE MOST FAMOUS MAN to walk on the face of this earth,
Murray is a ****.
 
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twinklEE said:
|Conrad is a bastard and I hope he will eventually get what's coming. He was obviously on an ego trip since day one, I mean just think, he was an indebted man, a doctor who'd only have poor patients. Then he met THE MOST FAMOUS MAN to walk on the face of this earth,
Murray is a ****.
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being that he did meet Michael and was going to be his personal doctor, you would've thought he would've been extra careful about what he was doing. He knew propofol was dangerous, yet he wasn't even watching MJ. Murray should've rocked MJ to sleep at night if he had to. He was going to be paid $150,000 per month, what the hell did he think he was supposed to do making that kind of money? You sure as hell do everything in your power to make sure your patient wakes up after giving him all that crap.
 
Re: Interviews by Sade Anding (Girlfriend on Phone with Murray) Sun & GMA Posts 4&13

If Murray had had a lot of time, then his cover up would have been better I guess. He would not have asked Alberto Alvarez to clean up, he would not have had to delay the ambulance.
And Murray was on the phone non stop from 11h18 until that Sade call.
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yeah i agree. i think its more likely he just didnt notice mj was gone cause he was sat on the phone and did realise when he was on the phone to sade . if he was so good to stage all these phonecalls then surely he would be good enough to clear up the scene aswell?
 
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bouee said:
I noticed also that since the autopsy report came out a lot of them say time of death must have been between 11am and 12 25. Again, it's just a theory. According to the EMTs , they say their estimation is between 11 30 and 12 noon (20mn to an hour prior to their arrival)

If Murray had had a lot of time, then his cover up would have been better I guess. He would not have asked Alberto Alvarez to clean up, he would not have had to delay the ambulance.
And Murray was on the phone non stop from 11h18 until that Sade call.
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So basically Murray spent about 9 hours trying to kill Michael, if Michael arrived home a little after 1am. Murray claimed he gave Michael the medicine and Michael was still awake and then he kept giving him more and more. I am trying to think about Murray state of mind here and I cannot understand it.
 
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chanel05 said:
She found out during the interview that he still has a wife and aren't divorced. Hell, I knew that in '09 and I never met Muarry. If he has been lying to you all of this time what makes you think he is truthful. I think she is just young, stupid and naive.


who does she think she is fooling?!?! Girl we ain't stupid!! We know you was sleeping with his old ass. A man isn't gonna give you that kind of money and gifts and not receive something in return. If it just stayed at him hitting on her and tipping her really well @ the bar, then it would be different..... but she took the relationship outside of work. She probably thought she hit the jackpot.

Anyways.... What makes Muarry team so confident about there case.... I would just give up because off the phone records and his "many" timelines alone, he should be convicted.
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I agree. Murray didn't even tell her that he was married. She had to find it out from other people. If he lied to her about that, then who knows what else he is lying about to his women and to the public.

And in regard to Michael, I agree there too. Nobody is going to change up a story that many times and not be lying somewhere. There would be no need for all that if Murray was telling the truth from the start. And Murray's team is only confident because of the way the public thinks of Michael Jackson anyway. Just look how hard Murray's lawyers are trying to blame Michael for everything even with all the evidence against Murray. They know this crap wouldn't work if people didn't already hate Michael IMO.
 
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Re: Interviews by Sade Anding (Girlfriend on Phone with Murray) Sun & GMA Posts 4&13

You are right.. his lawyers are able to get away with this crap because of some people's preconceived opinions about MJ. I just hope that folks don't think MJ was crazy enough to drink this crap out of a juice box. Hopefully if they remain sane and if the prosecution proves that none of this is possible, then Murray will be convicted
 
Re: Interviews by Sade Anding (Girlfriend on Phone with Murray) Sun & GMA Posts 4&13

"Murder most foul, as in the best it is, But this most foul, strange, and unnatural."

William Shakespeare: Hamlet Prince of Denmark (Ghost Act I, scene v)
 
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StacyJ said:
I just hope that folks don't think MJ was crazy enough to drink this crap out of a juice box. Hopefully if they remain sane and if the prosecution proves that none of this is possible, then Murray will be convicted
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I'm not sure the propofol drinking defense will work or at least I don't understand it : the homicide is based on "lack of standard care" , meaning lack of proper equipment to give propofol, lack of equipment to properly monitor his patient, and lack of proper ressucitation equipment. And Murray was on the phone, and away from the room by his own admission.
So how the propofol got into Michael's system is secondary , in my opinion.
Implying that someone else injected the propofol, even Michael himself, or that he drank it, makes it worse for Murray : it is admitting, again, that he was not watching him.

I don't understand Murray's defense so far, and honestly, I'm not sure they have one.
 
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