Defense Tactics: Look what TMZ is saying..is this going to be the defense in the trial?

I think it is a very FALSE statement to say that Michael's health was failing. Wasn't it confirmed that he was in a complete and total healthy state, setting aside the whole weight issue? He may have been weak at that time due to the stress of the rehearsals and other things, but there's no way he was so weak that his health was failing. As far as we know, Michael was perfectly healthy at the time of his death. He was no way on the verge of death. In my opinion, watching the rehearsals and seeing pictures of his last few months in '09, he looked fine. I never found him to look sickly or unhealthy. Thin, yes. Sickly? Absolutely not.

And to use this as a defense is ridiculous. Just because it may appear that someone's health is failing (talking hypothetically) doesn't give a reason to kill them. That's basically saying it's ok that Murray killed him because his health was failing anyway. No, it's not ok. Nobody is ever 100% healthy. All of our healths are gradually failing during every minute that passes. That doesn't make it ok for someone to kill us because of it...

Also, wasn't Michael asleep when Murray left the for "two minutes?" If Murray was only out of the room for two minutes, there certainly wasn't enough time for Michael to wake up and administer the drug himself.
BINGO, Courtney!!

Murray's story about being away for only two minutes is already coming back to bite him in the butt!! He can't come up with a new and improved lie to cover up that two-minute lie.

He and his defense team should just give up, because together they aren't doing anything except painting Murray into a corner with paint brushes and cans of paint that he's handing them.

He's telling lies left and right, top to bottom, front to back.
 
BINGO, Courtney!!

Murray's story about being away for only two minutes is already coming back to bite him in the butt!! He can't come up with a new and improved lie to cover up that two-minute lie.

He and his defense team should just give up, because together they aren't doing anything except painting Murray into a corner with paint brushes and cans of paint that he's handing them.

He's telling lies left and right, top to bottom, front to back.

yeah if he was only gone for two minutes and if he would've acted promptly and with great urgency MJ would still be here.. When he came back from discovering MJ, what did he do? He sure as hell didn't call 911 when he saw his patient stop breathing.
 
Okey, as I've said before on other sites, I don't think Murray killed MJ. Well, technically he did, but I think there's so much more behind MJ's death. The world killed him. The pressure he has been facing his entire life, the press chasing him everywhere, lack of privacy and the evil way he was treated by the media. I think these are very important factors.

There was a reason why he couldn't sleep at night. Murray is the one we put all the blame on, because he made huge mistakes as a doctor. But as human beings, didn't other people make mistakes too?

I just can't blame Murray for Michael's death. It feels so wrong. I can see how other fans can, but to me it's not right to balme ONE MAN when the entire world treated him cruel.
 
Okey, as I've said before on other sites, I don't think Murray killed MJ. Well, technically he did, but I think there's so much more behind MJ's death. The world killed him. The pressure he has been facing his entire life, the press chasing him everywhere, lack of privacy and the evil way he was treated by the media. I think these are very important factors.

There was a reason why he couldn't sleep at night. Murray is the one we put all the blame on, because he made huge mistakes as a doctor. But as human beings, didn't other people make mistakes too?

I just can't blame Murray for Michael's death. It feels so wrong. I can see how other fans can, but to me it's not right to balme ONE MAN when the entire world treated him cruel.

well Murray is the one responsible for the murder of Michael Jackson....I see were you are going with the world being mean to Michael all the time..withe that I agree...but in the end Murray is still the one that pushed that needle. So yeah...he IS guilty for killing MJ.
 
Okey, as I've said before on other sites, I don't think Murray killed MJ. Well, technically he did, but I think there's so much more behind MJ's death. The world killed him. The pressure he has been facing his entire life, the press chasing him everywhere, lack of privacy and the evil way he was treated by the media. I think these are very important factors.

There was a reason why he couldn't sleep at night. Murray is the one we put all the blame on, because he made huge mistakes as a doctor. But as human beings, didn't other people make mistakes too?

I just can't blame Murray for Michael's death. It feels so wrong. I can see how other fans can, but to me it's not right to balme ONE MAN when the entire world treated him cruel.

Except Michael was a walking, breathing father, son, etc. despite all the tragedies he endured. The world killed his spirit, but the man was still ALIVE. There is a big difference between a spiritual death and an actual physical death . No one but Conrad Murray is responsible for MJ actually no longer being here. Ask his children if there is a difference of seeing their dad troubled and unable to sleep versus his NOT BEING with them at all. BIG BIG DIFFERENCE!
 
I know what you mean, but I'm still holding on to what I said. I may be naive, but there is just no way I can blame Murray, because there is so much more behind this than Murray givin' him Propofol, I think.

I feel really bad for the man, and I wish people didn't hate him so much. Of course, I understand the anger and frustration, but when fans scream 'murder' after him when he goes to court, it makes me very sad.

I feel bad for his children as well, and it's not like I'm taking Murray's side.. I guess I'm just a person without the skill to hate people.
 
Okey, as I've said before on other sites, I don't think Murray killed MJ. Well, technically he did, but I think there's so much more behind MJ's death. The world killed him. The pressure he has been facing his entire life, the press chasing him everywhere, lack of privacy and the evil way he was treated by the media. I think these are very important factors.

There was a reason why he couldn't sleep at night. Murray is the one we put all the blame on, because he made huge mistakes as a doctor. But as human beings, didn't other people make mistakes too?

I just can't blame Murray for Michael's death. It feels so wrong. I can see how other fans can, but to me it's not right to balme ONE MAN when the entire world treated him cruel.

I know what you mean, but I'm still holding on to what I said. I may be naive, but there is just no way I can blame Murray, because there is so much more behind this than Murray givin' him Propofol, I think.

I feel really bad for the man, and I wish people didn't hate him so much. Of course, I understand the anger and frustration, but when fans scream 'murder' after him when he goes to court, it makes me very sad.

I feel bad for his children as well, and it's not like I'm taking Murray's side.. I guess I'm just a person without the skill to hate people.


I don't think you're the first person to find it sad when fans freak out and scream and tweet all sorts of 'm' words. Kenny Ortega got that 'treatment' and while all fans share the pain- screaming 'murderer' in front of a court building is more reminiscent of wild mobs, than of 'justice'.

You don't have to hate anyone. It's also very disturbing to me when people write things that amount to death threats, and hopes that he please lose all legal representation- a VERY disturbing idea if you were to apply that thought across the board particularly since fans are the ones bemoaning the lack of equality and impartiality that Michael faced.

But: a crime was committed as stated by the Coroner's report, 'death at the hands of another'. While the world tortured him, Michael Jackson didn't die because the anonymous world killed him, although it sure seems that those that tortured him, had all intentions to accomplish that.

Crime is crime and that is why this gal here is supposed to be blind.
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A crime was committed and pretty much in 'the name of the people' it's essential that crimes are being investigated and those thought of having had a part/hand/responsibility in the crime are being tried.

And it simply means that ALL should be equal- they should share the same rights and if a crime has been committed than a crime needs to be investigated, no matter who died and what has happened before that crime. It doesn't matter if someone on death row is being murdered by a fellow inmate, a child or Michael Jackson. Impartiality.

The laws of many countries are demanding that all citizens be treated equally- nowhere does it state that crime should not be fully investigated because the VICTIM had a shitty life and that persecution of a crime should not happen because others have treated the VICTIM unfairly prior to the crime.

There are plenty of people who feel that way about dead prostitutes being found dead- aaaah, 'just a whore'. NO! Last I checked the law provides for all crime to be investigated and prosecuted.

Dragging the innocent Michael Jackson through a farce of a trial was an abuse of office- and not investigating and prosecuting in the death of MJ would also be abuse of power and public office.

Contrary to some folks the trial against Murray is also not some kind of 'revenge' for having dragged MJ through the legal mud.

One doesn't have to be full of anger and/or hatred to be in full support of the main suspect to be tried.
I would never scream 'murderer' at anyone simply because everyone deserves a fair trial, forcing people to walk through a narrow lane were people hold tar and feathers is not cool.

At the same time expressing support for MJ is also not the same as tarring and feathering someone, but I guess the lines are very blurry for some.


Regardless of legal issues it feels to me like stepping on Michael, if I were to say, who gives a $^%&, you were long dead before. That is not my call to make.
I admire that Michael overcame this adversity and simply lived. Most people would have jumped off the next balcony having been put through through that witch hunt.
I cannot fathom the pain Michael dealt with for years and years and years.
However HE was the one that valued his life enough to carry on.

Others were salivating to see him in jail and put on 'suicide watch'. He did not do these shark that favor- he went on.
He had his precious family, children whom he obviously adored and who love him and he had plans.
He's also an artist who wanted his 'last curtain call' and who wanted to move on to other means of artistic expression.

His life was taken from him, just when he was reemerging from that nightmare that spanned more than a decade. To first attempt to ruin his life- and then take it from him is cruel. He had things to do and he has 3 minor children who should not be having to deal with this.

The fact that others treated him cruelly doesn't lessen the crime Michael Jackson actually died from.
A crime was committed, nobody should fear that kind of outcome by trusting their physician. :bugeyed

Laws apply regardless of personal opinions we have- and that's a good thing.
 
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I know what you mean, but I'm still holding on to what I said. I may be naive, but there is just no way I can blame Murray, because there is so much more behind this than Murray givin' him Propofol, I think.

I feel really bad for the man, and I wish people didn't hate him so much. Of course, I understand the anger and frustration, but when fans scream 'murder' after him when he goes to court, it makes me very sad.

I feel bad for his children as well, and it's not like I'm taking Murray's side.. I guess I'm just a person without the skill to hate people.

Connie, on a personal level, suppose someone you love was undergoing a medical procedure. Suppose there was a window for you to see into the doctor's office and you happened to look in and saw your loved one lying there on a gurney, apparently still undergoing the procedure but the doctor wasn't there. You finally spot him in a corner obviously engaged on a personal phone call, then you notice your loved one's chest is no longer gently rising and falling as she had been when you first looked in the window. You realize your loved one is struggling to breathe. The doctor notices it too, and suddenly runs to your loved one. But too late, your loved one dies.

You find out later if the doctor had just stayed with your loved one during this potentially dangerous procedure or at least was monitoring her with equipment, that your loved one would still be alive. Would you not blame the doctor for what happened to her? Would you not be infuriated he actually left her there unattended to chit chat with a woman he was pursuing?

It's not about having or not having skills to hate Murray. It's about recognizing his grossly negligent and INEXCUSABLE behavior. An animal shouldn't have been treated with as little regard as Murray gave Michael.
 
I know what you mean, but I'm still holding on to what I said. I may be naive, but there is just no way I can blame Murray, because there is so much more behind this than Murray givin' him Propofol, I think.

. . . I guess I'm just a person without the skill to hate people.

You don't have to hate to expect or want justice to be upheld. Murray has been charged with a crime and if convicted, then that would not be about hate but about what the evidence showed at the trial. Otherwise, no one would be going to jail or prison.

But, more interestingly, what do you think exactly is "much more behind this than Murray givin' him Propofol" that directly lead to Michael's death? It couldn't have been stress or public persona, etc. because Michael has lived and survived with those things for decades. Just curious.
 
on what basis for Tohme?

The Jacksons have called Murray the 'fall guy', and they've gone as far as saying

the will to be fake, that MJ would never have rehired Frank Dileo, and that Kenny

Ortega was one of the people responsible for his death, yet they haven't said

anything about the guy who built the fence around Michael and negotiated THE contract,

who also happens to be the one Michael refers to, on tape, as having created

a divide between him and his representatives. He was hiding $5 million even after having

been fired, and he said on TV to be in charge of Michael Jackson's business after

he died.

Am I the only one who finds their silence about Tohme strange?
 
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Am I the only one who finds their silence about Tohme strange?

No, not at ALL. I find it very peculiar that he completely slipped away. I am hoping and wishing that boatloads of info will emerge with Murray being tried. There has got to be info coming during this trial- and hopefully the emerging info will prompt further investigation (beyond the momentary possibilities)
I can imagine that certain things are simply not known yet to law enforcement- and I hope that a few more beans will be spilled that will make it possible to investigate further.

Particularly the conspiracy people are screaming bloody murder for Murray being a 'puppet' - but if there are people in the background and if Murray was as crucial as he seems- than trying Murray might mean killing more birds with less stones.
 
Am I the only one who finds their silence about Tohme strange?


Heck no..your not the only one....there are MANY people that find it odd that Tohme has not been anywhere around this investigation.....and IMO...he should be at the top of the list....who knows..maybe more will be revealed about him during this trial....but..I am NOT holding my breath.
 
Tohme slipped away because Jermaine is the one that brought him in to save Neverland from foreclosure. Supposedly Tohme is a relative to Jermaine's wife. Does anyone know if that's true? I wouldn't be surprised if that's the reason Jermaine has been out of the damn country for so long.
 
I had a dream about Thome not too long ago.

He was a giant slimy anaconda.

About the exact size of this one.
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Also, a little off topic, I had a dream about $ony/branca as well just last week. Now that evil flying white dragon was ferocious!
 
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There is no official indication that anyone but Murray killed Michael, in terms of him actually being present and administering the fatal dose.

But, to be totally accurate (for those who did not read the autopsy report. . and reading it was painful beyond belief), the results as to Michael's overall health were ambiguous. No, he was NOT "totally healthy." The report indicated that there were problems with his lungs. He had "pneumonitis," which means inflammation. That was chronic, in that he also had scarring of the lungs, which meant that the problem (whatever that was) was long-term and had caused damage. The report went on to say that the condition would have impaired breathing. To what extent, was not given.

So yes, that IS what the autopsy report said. What are the implications? Murray was his DOCTOR, and Michael was at that time his only patient. One would expect that he'd have done a thorough exam. So the question can be asked, what WAS Murray's role? To care for his patient, or to get Michael to rehearsals, at all costs to him?

So, I don't see any possible defense for Murray. Michael was in "perfect health" (and he was NOT), and Murray killed him through negligence? OR, Michael was NOT in "perfect health," and even the more reason for Murray to have cared for him and advocated for him. The buck really does stop with Murray.

And as for Tohme? He presented himself as a "doctor?" Was he? But, as far as we know, he is no part of this investigation.
 
Am I the only one who finds their silence about Tohme strange?

Nope, i wanna know why no one is mentioning him either. That last i heard of him is when he showed up at the hospital on june 25 as Michael's manager.
 
I know what you mean, but I'm still holding on to what I said. I may be naive, but there is just no way I can blame Murray, because there is so much more behind this than Murray givin' him Propofol, I think.

Yes, there is a lot more than Murray giving propofol. All that Michael went through probably led to that situation, and that huge insomnia problem.

But Murray is guilty of taking advantage of that situation. For $150K a month, over 11 months. To boost his ego.

He did not give proper help, as a doctor should have. He is a liar, so he probably lied to Michael about how safe it was to give propofol, he gave it, without the proper equipment , did not monitor him, spent his time on the phone instead of watching him, had no ressucitation equipment, did not call for help on time, lied to the paramedics and the ER doctors, probably lied to the family as well, left the hospital and could not be found for 2 days, lied to the LAPD, and God knows what else we will find out during the trial.

He directly killed his patient, when he was in a position to, and was supposed to HELP him.

Someone posted that Michael was "spiritually dead". I can't agree or understand that...
We don't really know much about his state of mind after the trial. He chose to live differently, to get away from certain people and certain situations.
It doesn't mean he was unhappy, I think he had very happy moments, with his kids for example.
 
I would also like to know if Murray told MJ that propofol was safe?

I'm assuming he did, because if he said otherwise that would make him seem worse. If he admits to telling MJ it wasn't safe, yet he gave it to him anyway without the proper equipment and without monitoring him, wouldn't that be murder? Meaning he knowingly gave his patient unsafe and dangerous treatment and didn't watch him?
 
Am I the only one who finds their silence about Tohme strange?

No, you're not. Thome was with Jermaine at the hospital. Are the Jacksons going to publicly attack him if he is friends with or related to one of the family member ? I doubt it.
 
I would also like to know if Murray told MJ that propofol was safe?

I'm assuming he did, because if he said otherwise that would make him seem worse. If he admits to telling MJ it wasn't safe, yet he gave it to him anyway without the proper equipment and without monitoring him, wouldn't that be murder? Meaning he knowingly gave his patient unsafe and dangerous treatment and didn't watch him?

I believe Murray told him it was safe.

the problem with the charge was discussed in another thread, and my understanding is that for murder 2, the prosecution would have to prove that Murray knew it was not safe.
Not that he should have known, which is obvious, but that he knew. He is a cardiologist, he is not supposed to know about anesthesisa, so that's a vicious circle.

T Mez said he heard that there was a debate within the DA's office about the charges, and that IM eventually won over. So if the people at the DA's office had hard time deciding about the charge, if it was not clear for them, then it's not going to be clear for us either...

I hope they are able to add other charges during the trial, because 4 years is definitely not enough.

Espacially when you know that Murray had been buying gallons of propofol for over 2 months, he had plenty of time to research the drug;

If Murray admitted he told Michael it was not safe, then, to me, that's murder 2. I don't think it's going to happen. And I don't think it ever happened.
 
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i dont hope the pros will let thome in this investigation, i dont trust that guy at all ...

i was also in the hospital last friday and i was in the room where people wake up from sleep for an medical examination. Its just some sleeping meds, but there were monitors for oxygen, hartbeat bloodpressure and had nurses. Not even propofol.. I have a examination under propofol in march, and i have to see the anis. for that, so he can give me green light to go under..
I tell you this because its so day and night different with the situation murray and michael. Everytime i am there i think of that.

ps when im talking to the anis. i will ask him about my dose maybe it helpes with to termine for this case?

About hate, im also not enyoing fans calling him murder like connie i dont hate people easily. but I do think murray littarly killed him because of his lack of equip and justment.

I hope they will go with the two minutes window, that would be easy to kill for the pros. Ah what am i talking about, what ever story there gonna bring... The pros will kill them all, dont you think?"?
 
We have a Doctor of medicine giving propofol in a home setting without the proper monitoring equipment after giving several different benzodiazepines in the combination given already dangerous enough.

We have a Doctor of medicine leaving this patient alone.

We have a Doctor of medicine not performing correct cpr.

We have a Doctor of medicine not calling imediately 911.

We have a Doctor of medicine not giving the complete information to the rescuers appearing imediately nor later.

We have a Doctor of medicine not giving the complete and correct information to the professionals in the hospital imediately nor later.



These are not deniable facts.


The defense must be in despair. They have to throw out whatever... to confuse one juror enough to not agree with the rest... causing a hung jury... to me that's just a desperate try.


I think everybody should state the above facts everywhere and not get confused or panic by fears and/or emotional wishes... there can't be enough confusion ever to deny the above to me.
 
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Connie, on a personal level, suppose someone you love was undergoing a medical procedure. Suppose there was a window for you to see into the doctor's office and you happened to look in and saw your loved one lying there on a gurney, apparently still undergoing the procedure but the doctor wasn't there. You finally spot him in a corner obviously engaged on a personal phone call, then you notice your loved one's chest is no longer gently rising and falling as she had been when you first looked in the window. You realize your loved one is struggling to breathe. The doctor notices it too, and suddenly runs to your loved one. But too late, your loved one dies.

You find out later if the doctor had just stayed with your loved one during this potentially dangerous procedure or at least was monitoring her with equipment, that your loved one would still be alive. Would you not blame the doctor for what happened to her? Would you not be infuriated he actually left her there unattended to chit chat with a woman he was pursuing?

It's not about having or not having skills to hate Murray. It's about recognizing his grossly negligent and INEXCUSABLE behavior. An animal shouldn't have been treated with as little regard as Murray gave Michael.

I said I understood and anger and frustration, so of course, I would be very sad, angry and heartbroken. But on the other hand, I think MJ made his own faith and played a part in his own death. Sad but true.
 
I said I understood and anger and frustration, so of course, I would be very sad, angry and heartbroken. But on the other hand, I think MJ made his own faith and played a part in his own death. Sad but true.

I disagree MJ state of Mind and thinking may have been cloudy if he was led by other doctor to believed that using this drug was safe and all he need was someone to watch him,
He went out and get Murray a doctor who agree to do just that,
Murray lie and did not do what MJ was paying him to do, he leave his patient alone after feeding him dangerous drug,
Yes MJ made mistake in his life like we all do but, but murray did not do what he was been paid to do monitor his patient.
I have a problem with people blaming MJ for his own death, if MJ had gone out and got those drug and use them by himself the story would have been different but he try to be safe as his situation allowed him to be,
MJ was in a war with his back agains the wall he did what he believed was right in his thinking hence MURRAY to watch him.
We don't know what it is like to live MJ life, we did not walk a mile in MJ shoe, let he without sin throw the fist stone,
We see the hell he had gone through over the years, what every MJ may have done wrong don't give Murray the right to not do his job and sit his ass down and watch his patient like he agreed to do.
http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2011/02/08/someone-to-monitor-me/
 
The coroner said OVERALL, Michael was very healthy for his age.

Yeah, Michael may have had a lung problem, but he was definately more healthy than men I know younger than him who don't do drugs. (And I don't believe Michael himself recieved that dangerous sedative for six weeks, every night.)

He went out and get Murray a doctor who agree to do just that,

That is cloudly itself based on testimony.

I believe Murray told him it was safe.

It is unlikely that Michael would believe him based on Dr. Patrick Treacy's experience of Michael and propofol.

I hope they will go with the two minutes window, that would be easy to kill for the pros. Ah what am i talking about, what ever story there gonna bring... The pros will kill them all, dont you think?"?

Kill them all for murray's IM charge. They are just playing us. They are going for the easy road as you say. If they don't adress all those holes and inconsistencies that arose from the preliminary, then what are they even there for? Investigating those incongruities pushes them into a deeper aspect of this whole investigation. And we know at this moment that they don't want to go there.

All this just makes the prosecution look stupid and that they are blantanly hiding something themselves.

If nancy grace thinks these charges are insufficient, then we know something is wrong. And I remember her saying the way they laid the charges on murray wasn't even correct.

There is no official indication that anyone but Murray killed Michael

However, the defense was trying to form an indication.

What is their story? The go for Michael probably injecting, or drinking, while directing towards a possibility of someone else upstairs with Michael around that time.

I think MJ made his own faith and played a part in his own death. Sad but true.

I'm writing my analysis of the preliminary testimony. (I will not post it here though). And that right there is the first point I adress in my very first sentence.

In a case as this one, I would definitely blame the physician, and to a lesser extent, I would even keep in mind the belief that “We are the cause of our own misfortune.” However, with this particular situation concerning Michael, I cannot see that belief anywhere.

As for my reasons, I don't wish to share on this board. I don't want to help the defense in any way here.

Moving on, they say 'oh it would be difficult to prove this a murder.' I've never seen so many obvious holes/inconsistencies ignored in my life! This is crazy!

As for the investigating in this case, I won't say that it is awful....yet. So far, it appears to be, but let's hear what they have to say at the trial first for their involuntary case.
 
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I said I understood and anger and frustration, so of course, I would be very sad, angry and heartbroken. But on the other hand, I think MJ made his own faith and played a part in his own death. Sad but true.

I feel really bad for the man, and I wish people didn't hate him so much. Of course, I understand the anger and frustration, but when fans scream 'murder' after him when he goes to court, it makes me very sad.
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Actually, I was addressing your sadness for Murray. And was pointing out if you related what he did to one of your loved ones, you'd probably experience very little or no sadness for him at all, especially when you remember seeing him casually talking on the phone while he should have been taking care of your family member.

I do agree with you that many factors brought MJ to the night of June 25, but sincerely feel if not for Murray's neglience, he would have lived to have a June 26 and many more days, months and even years to be with his children. They may have been troubled years, but at least he'd still be here.
 
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I just really wish Michael had never met Murray.. and I am so upset that Murray gave MJ something that he know couldn't help him but he just didn't care and gave it to him anyway. All Murray had to do was tell MJ no this is bad for you and won't help cure insomnia but he didn't give a damn and now MJ is gone forever
 
It is unlikely that Michael would believe him based on Dr. Patrick Treacy's experience of Michael and propofol.

Yet another thing that doesn't make sense in all of this. If he wouldn't use propofol without an anesthetist in Ireland then...??
I think Michael was not stupid when it came to propofol. So how he could allow himself to be sedated night after night (if you believe murray) under such potentially lethal circumstances? Did he have such unshakable faith in murray's abilities?

Was he hypnotized by murray? I'm beginning to wonder...Michael, as smart as he was, how could he have been so totally absolutely wrong about this entire setup?

As for defense tactics, maybe they float these trial balloons and see how and how fast they get shot down!
 
We have a Doctor of medicine giving propofol in a home setting without the proper monitoring equipment after giving several different benzodiazepines in the combination given already dangerous enough.

We have a Doctor of medicine leaving this patient alone.

We have a Doctor of medicine not performing correct cpr.

We have a Doctor of medicine not calling imediately 911.

We have a Doctor of medicine not giving the complete information to the rescuers appearing imediately nor later.

We have a Doctor of medicine not giving the complete and correct information to the professionals in the hospital imediately nor later.

These are not deniable facts.
EXACTLY.
And more:
- The defendant didn't have rescue equipment.
- The defendant EVEN interrupted his already badly practised CPR on a soft surface to collect medical evidence. (So he perfectly knew what he was doing...).
- The oxygen tank was empty (AR, p.31). But here the fault is the prosecution, since the tank was not collected on their first visit, but later.
Elissa Fleak, the coroner investigator implied that on 25J, it wasn't a "complete murder investigation".
- He bought in advance a boatload of IV medication. He had plenty of time to learn about the risks, besides EVERYONE (even the illiterate) KNOW about the risk of anesthesia. (And even for sedation, there were risks; "a narrow passage" between them, as the Anesthesiology Consultation states).

ALL THE FACTS are for 2nd Degree Murder so far.
Murray must have known about the risks. Moreover, as the Penal Code in California says: "malice -for 2nd Degree M- can be implied or explicit". And in this case there shouldn't be any doubt. (Facts speak themselves!!!)


If DA decided to stick to IM it probably has to do with their own weak investigation in my opinion.
 
Yet another thing that doesn't make sense in all of this. If he wouldn't use propofol without an anesthetist in Ireland then...??
I think Michael was not stupid when it came to propofol.
So how he could allow himself to be sedated night after night (if you believe murray) under such potentially lethal circumstances? Did he have such unshakable faith in murray's abilities?

Was he hypnotized by murray? I'm beginning to wonder...Michael, as smart as he was, how could he have been so totally absolutely wrong about this entire setup?

As for defense tactics, maybe they float these trial balloons and see how and how fast they get shot down!

Dr. Treacy needs to come up on that stand and repeat everything he said, that "He was very intelligent." And that Michael would know about the medications given to him. He would read medical books and such.

That last interview with Treacy is rather odd. Very odd. I hope he's not being threatened or anything. At one point I remember him announcing, "They just said Michael was extremely healthy." And he became very quiet after that, and a minute later, he says, "I got to go."
 
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