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Ingelief

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a little story, last monday i was by a anesthiologist for my check up for an exam under propofol thuesday.. She said there is no way of telling how many mg you use for an half hour because it depends on the person so the anesthiologist decides that while your under..
When i was at the OK the anesthiologist sat down right in front of me checking me by looking at me, by pols on the monitor, saturation by monitor and blood pressure every now and then.. maybe two minutes?
this was all done while it was a exam and not a operation so it was like sleeping a light sedation, like michael had..

How is it possible for the defense to see something if a anest. will tell this as a witness. This is how its down. Propofol is always very monitored.. every sec, and every way *puls sat etc*
while murray did not that at all? walking away is not don! not even for a badtroom break..

While a was laying there i thought of michael, when i woke up it was a day before it was all out of my system, i was foggy al day.. and i had not much..

So
1: how is it possible that the defense had a reaction to this? its over when the anest takes the stand because its to ridicilus to think what murray did not do and did do, if you read the above story.
2: how is it possible he was going to do the concerts under influence from propofol.. you are under influence for at least a day *forbidden to drive a car that day* thats says it all.

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exactly right..this is the point I tried to make like months ago..I too have had propofol numerous times...I think the anesthesiologist that the defense in gonna get...will be perjuring himself if he takes the stand and tries to say other wise. People who already have had propofol know the truth. Now all-it takes is ONE of those jurors to of had it...and THEY TOO will know that the anesthesiologist is lying. There was noway that Michael was receiving that for 6 weeks...and Murray knows that..he also knows that Michael NEVER would of been able to make it to rehearsals if he was. and as far as Murray leaving Michael unattended....THAT is why he is being charged with IM....should be more...and that is terrible that it is not.
 
A few months after Michael's death i had surgery, i don't know what kind of anesthesia they gave me but i can tell you before i was knocked out i saw that they had a handful of people in the room to monitor me. With anesthesia there is a fine line, too much and the patient can overdose, not enough and the patient won't become unconscious. When i regained consciousness i felt tired but i have read some people felt great when they were given propofol.

Michael was not having surgery, he did not need anesthesia, as a doctor Murray should have found Michael a sfae and effective solution for his insomnia instead of avoiding the problem by putting him in semicoma. Murray can say whatever he wants but he gave Michael propofol without the proper equipment and he didnt even monitor him as he should have. Murray said he had been giving it to Michael over a 6 week period but did he say if it was daily? either way during those weeks he could have gotten a ventilator, pulse oximeter and EKG just in case Michael went into cardicac arrest, which he did. I can't believe a cardiologist would do something so wreckless. This is why I don't think manslaughter is not enough, he knew better and he played russian roulette with michael's life, this was a disaster waiting to happen.
 
xthunderx2 said:
exactly right..this is the point I tried to make like months ago..I too have had propofol numerous times...I think the anesthesiologist that the defense in gonna get...will be perjuring himself if he takes the stand and tries to say other wise. People who already have had propofol know the truth. Now all-it takes is ONE of those jurors to of had it...and THEY TOO will know that the anesthesiologist is lying. There was noway that Michael was receiving that for 6 weeks...and Murray knows that..he also knows that Michael NEVER would of been able to make it to rehearsals if he was. and as far as Murray leaving Michael unattended....THAT is why he is being charged with IM....should be more...and that is terrible that it is not.
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I totally agree:yes:
 
He's gotta be lying about him giving Michael propofol for 6 weeks, since he had no real monitoring equipment, it certainly wasn't on a daily basis, Michael would've been gone long before if that happened.
 
Alma said:
He's gotta be lying about him giving Michael propofol for 6 weeks, since he had no real monitoring equipment, it certainly wasn't on a daily basis, Michael would've been gone long before if that happened.
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I agree with that.. that's even more reckless. If he gets on that stand he will have a lot of questions to answer. The first one would be so you risked MJ's life by giving him anesthesia everyday for sleep without monitoring his vitals or anything? That is even more agregious
 
StacyJ said:
I agree with that.. that's even more reckless. If he gets on that stand he will have a lot of questions to answer. The first one would be so you risked MJ's life by giving him anesthesia everyday for sleep without monitoring his vitals or anything? That is even more agregious
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Agreed. There's no way Mike had been given propofol for 6 weeks!!

What makes me so angry about this all is that, and sorry if I'm wrong I'm just going by memory here, the sleep induced from anaesthesia is nothing like regular sleep. You don't feel rejuvenated and refreshed after "sleeping" from the use of anaesthesia.. so it wouldn't even have helped him.
 
morsmordre said:
Agreed. There's no way Mike had been given propofol for 6 weeks!!

What makes me so angry about this all is that, and sorry if I'm wrong I'm just going by memory here, the sleep induced from anaesthesia is nothing like regular sleep. You don't feel rejuvenated and refreshed after "sleeping" from the use of anaesthesia.. so it wouldn't even have helped him.
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true... being under anesthesia is not REM sleep. MJ was basically in a semi-coma. He couldn't wake on his own. He had to be awakened and he couldn't dream or anything. It was a dangerous game that Murray was playing. Like Moulin Rouge said he was playing Russian Roulette with MJ's life. Murray is a cardiologist. There is no way in hell he doesn't know what anesthesia does and what it can do if the proper dosage isn't correct. Murray mixed that along with some other sedatives which seriously depressed MJ's breathing. Murray had no plan as to how he would 'rescue' MJ if he stopped breathing due to the medications that Murray gave him. He had no back up plan whatsoever..
 
StacyJ said:
true... being under anesthesia is not REM sleep. MJ was basically in a semi-coma. He couldn't wake on his own. He had to be awakened and he couldn't dream or anything. It was a dangerous game that Murray was playing. Like Moulin Rouge said he was playing Russian Roulette with MJ's life. Murray is a cardiologist. There is no way in hell he doesn't know what anesthesia does and what it can do if the proper dosage isn't correct. Murray mixed that along with some other sedatives which seriously depressed MJ's breathing. Murray had no plan as to how he would 'rescue' MJ if he stopped breathing due to the medications that Murray gave him. He had no back up plan whatsoever..
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I dont think your right about something. If you dont get propofol anymore, then you wake up.. On your on..

Can somebody plss tell me why this is IM and not murder? I doctor gives a man propofol, a drug that almost every time used the patient have to be intubated because propofol makes it hard to breath on your on. Really hard. So heres that doctor giving propofol, without! any monitoring without a tube, without saturation and oxygen.. And the patient dies.. yeah hell thats logic i mean what do you think than? playing russian roulette because if not 1 then the second time use he would stoped breathing.,
This is simple murder right? HE WALKED AWAY, without a tube or anything to help the patient breath.

PS: question, did michael die because he stopped breathing and then the rest failed? OR did he die because the propofol dosis was way high? *i thought the numbers did not indicate that?* help me here refresh my mind..

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Ingelief said:
I dont think your right about something. If you dont get propofol anymore, then you wake up.. On your on..

Can somebody plss tell me why this is IM and not murder? I doctor gives a man propofol, a drug that almost every time used the patient have to be intubated because propofol makes it hard to breath on your on. Really hard. So heres that doctor giving propofol, without! any monitoring without a tube, without saturation and oxygen.. And the patient dies.. yeah hell thats logic i mean what do you think than? playing russian roulette because if not 1 then the second time use he would stoped breathing.,
This is simple murder right? HE WALKED AWAY, without a tube or anything to help the patient breath.

PS: question, did michael die because he stopped breathing and then the rest failed? OR did he die because the propofol dosis was way high? *i thought the numbers did not indicate that?* help me here refresh my mind..

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It should be 2nd degree murder. I think the prosecution feels safer charging Murray with involuntary manslaugter because it'ss be an easier conviction btu it's not justice.

Michael died because his breathing was suppressed causing his heart not to get enough oxygen which is why it went into cardiac arrest. Remember Murray was not only giving him propofol, he was giving his benzodiazepines, so he was mixing drugs. When you take benzos your breathing decreses and so adding propofol and not having the proper equipment is a disaster waiting to happen, if michael didn't die on the 25 it would have probably been the 26 or 27 and so forth, no one can survive such negligence for a long amount of time. It's suprising that Michael allegedly lasted weeks with this man, even if it wasn't daily.
 
ok... wel that makes it more murder than ever! Why is it that a teacher woman with a relationship with student *is wrong but* does more time., nobody died,

than murray if convicted???????????????????????????
 
Ingelief said:
ok... wel that makes it more murder than ever! Why is it that a teacher woman with a relationship with student *is wrong but* does more time., nobody died,

than murray if convicted???????????????????????????
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Doctor's get away with alot. People give them the benefit of the doubt.
 
i dont get the case at all.... im hoping the judge.jury will make it to murder when they hear a anesthiologist talk.... because only 4 years for sooo many faults risks with a death is more than that
 
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