Michael - The Great Album Debate

[Aniram]

I'm still out there spreading the word about the fake tracks. Indeed, the truth will come out eventually, I don't think these songs will be remembered as MJ.

 

[claudiadoina]

Bah! You wouldn't be able to handle a picture of my ex! She's a stunning girl and an invaluable friend... Though we never actually had a picture taken together as a couple... Damn I should've done more in that month ¬_¬

At first I read mouth and I was no: scared :lmao:

 

[Dorian]

This thread brings tears to my eyes...

@Jesta

I sufferred over my ex for 2 years...but now it's gone .

 

[StellaJackson]

Interesting answers Ivy. If you believe the songs are Michael, then are you able to answer the following questions?

1) Can you explain why the vibrato, pronounciation and accent are a match for Jason Cupeta and not Michael Jackson?

2) Can you explain why the vocalist snorts when taking a breath in the same way that Jason Cupeta does? Something which Michael has never done.

3) Can you explain why Michael sounds 20 years younger on these songs?

4) Why is it that despite being recorded in the same place and at the same time, Michael's vocals sound perfectly normal on WBSS 2008?

5) Why did Teddy Riley feel the need to lie about the vibrato, stating that it was the result of his processing, when in fact, it is present on the versions as they existed before Teddy Riley received them?

6) Why did Michael complete 12 songs vocally, yet failed to do any of his trademark adlibs on any of them, meaning that they had to be pasted on from previous records?

7) Why are the trademark aspects of Michael's recording process, such as handclaps, finger snaps, headphone bleeding etc, absent from every take of every song?

8) Why were we told that each song is one take when in fact, there are multiple takes on each song?

9) Why, despite the controversy and accusations against them, the Cascio's have failed to provide one shred of evidence that Michael recorded these songs? He supposedly contributed to the writing of 12 songs yet left no notes whatsoever?

10) Why did it take almost a year after Michael's death for these songs to materialise? The Mj Songbook registration does not state any titles. The individual song titles were not known to anyone, outside of Cascio and Porte until May 2010. The individual titles were registered with the BMI this year. There is no evidence of the existence of these 12 songs prior to May last year.

11) Jason Cupeta has used his similarity to Michael's voice to further his own career. Why the sudden change of character now? Why has he dissappeared from the online space completely? If he has nothing to hide, why is he hiding?

12) Before any of us even heard Breaking News, there were clearly concerns behind the scenes, with the Estate contacting Thad Nauden etc? Why are our concerns not taken equally as seriously?

13) Why have they failed to provide any proof of the supposed tests that were conducted on these vocals?

14) Now that it's been shown that you don't have to download it, as it can be streamed from several places, have you listened to Burn 2Nite? There is a reason why, since it leaked, a number of believers have changed their minds. If you have listened to it, do you hear Michael Jackson on that song? If you haven't listened to it, then perhaps you should, as it is one of the most damning aspects of this situation so far.

15) The above points are evidence that there is something seriously wrong with these records. Can you provide anything, one snippet, one comparison, anything that proves it is Michael???

Fans like me do not have the time or money to file lawsuits against a corporation like Sony. All we can do is get our money back on the album from where we bought it from. As has been demonstrated time and again, the Jacksons won't file a lawsuit unless they themselves have money to make.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

My question though is, is there a single non-doubter that believes that those Cascio songs are as 100% Michael Jackson as "Blue Gangsta", "Slave to the rhythm" or "Do you know where your children are" and is there a single non-doubter who fully enjoys the Cascio songs as equally as "BG", STTR" or "DYKWYCA". Do you feel exactly the same magic or vibrations in those Cascio songs as in any other MJ song?

And finally another question, vocally, musically and lyrically speaking, is there a single non-doubter who finds the Cascio songs better than any songs among the following albums:

OFF THE WALL
THRILLER
BAD
DANGEROUS
HISTORY (+BOTDF except remixes)
INVINCIBLE

If yes, why? What's better in those Cascio song(s), I'd like to know. Thanks.

 

[KingMikeJ]

It's funny reading through the old posts, seeing some people who are now doubters arguing that these songs are authentic. :lol:

 

[Aniram]

I think that just proves that we all desperately wanted it to be Michael Jackson, no one ever wanted to believe it was Jason Malachi or anyone else.

 

[KingMikeJ]

I think that just proves that we all desperately wanted it to be Michael Jackson, no one ever wanted to believe it was Jason Malachi or anyone else.

So are you saying (I'm asking a question, not calling you out) that when you and a few other people were arguing that these songs were Michael you just wanted them to be authentic, but you didn't really believe that?

 

[Aniram]

Well, I know I used to argue that Let Me Let Go was Michael Jackson, but I didn't know his voice as well back then.

I guess most people don't want to be lied to.

 

[coolcat75]

Lol, i used to think Mamacita, Biggerman, and Let me let go were ALL MJ!
That was when i wouldn't download unreleased songs. I'd just go on youtube and search "Michael Jackson Unreleased Songs" and listen to "7even".

 

[love is magical]

Speaking of lawsuit, after witnessing the way the Jacksons handled the tribute concert organization, I have no hope the family will do anything about the controvesial tracks. The family doesn't have the determination nor vision.

 

[StellaJackson]

Funny thing is, if Let Me Let Go had never been released, but instead was a Cascio track, people would be defending that as really Michael too. There are still fans who are convinced that song is Michael, which just shows how easily Jason can fool people.

 

[KingMikeJ]

Funny thing is, if Let Me Let Go had never been released, but instead was a Cascio track, people would be defending that as really Michael too. There are still fans who are convinced that song is Michael, which just shows how easily Jason can fool people.

How big of a fan are the people who still believe Jason's old songs to be Michael even though they have been proven not to be? Is there anyone in this forum (I'd say we're all pretty big fans) who thinks these songs are Michael (LMLG, Mamacita etc.)?

 

[StellaJackson]

How big of a fan are the people who still believe Jason's old songs to be Michael even though they have been proven not to be? Is there anyone in this forum (I'd say we're all pretty big fans) who thinks these songs are Michael (LMLG, Mamacita etc.)?

I would hope not. I'm just showing how easily people have been fooled. Look at the comments under Jason's songs on youtube. There are plenty of people who are adament they are Michael. Also, several of Jason's songs appeared on the bootleg 7Even album as well as the bootleg Ultimate Collection. People are still buying these, believeng they are Michael. So it has happened before, and with all the money involved, and without Michael here, it's no surprise that they have made it onto an official album. Eddie Cascio had the ideal set of circumstances to do what he did. What he really wanted was an entire album, hence the nice round figure of 12 songs. At least we didn't get that.

 

[KingMikeJ]

I would hope not. I'm just showing how easily people have been fooled. Look at the comments under Jason's songs on youtube. There are plenty of people who are adament they are Michael. Also, several of Jason's songs appeared on the bootleg 7Even album as well as the bootleg Ultimate Collection. People are still buying these, believeng they are Michael.

The difference this time is that we are all die hard/hard core fans and not some random commenter on YouTube, or the man down the street who owns Number Ones and Thriller.

 

[StellaJackson]

The difference this time is that we are all die hard/hard core fans and not some random commenter on YouTube, or the man down the street who owns Number Ones and Thriller.

But the problem is that many of the 3 million or so copies sold were bought by the man down the street who owns Number Ones and Thriller. They are the people who this album was aimed at. As fans, they knew we'd buy anything.

 

[Lucilla]

Well, I know I used to argue that Let Me Let Go was Michael Jackson, but I didn't know his voice as well back then.

I guess most people don't want to be lied to.

I think some believers just don’t think some people are capable of lying so blatantly for money like that.

But they only have to remember the child molestation allegations and the answer would be: yes, people are capable of lying for money.

 

[love is magical]

But the problem is that many of the 3 million or so copies sold were bought by the man down the street who owns Number Ones and Thriller. They are the people who this album was aimed at. As fans, they knew we'd buy anything.

You brought up a good point. One can argue that majority of fans do not care about the Cascio controversy. The album did indeed ship 3 million copies and became one of Sony's best-sellers. But, how many of those fans listen to Michael Jackson the way we listen to Michael Jackson? It's highly likely that most of the 3 million who bought the album Michael only own Number Ones and Thriller. They might not even know the existence of BOTDF. True story, a co-worker of mine who's not a MJ fan, when he did Christmas shopping, he got himself a copy of Number Ones and grabed Michael along with it. I asked him why he bought Michael, he said he got a store coupon and thought it's another greatest hits compilation.

I'm very pessimistic about future releases.

 

[Arklove]

I think some believers just don’t think some people are capable of lying so blatantly for money like that.

But they only have to remember the child molestation allegations and the answer would be: yes, people are capable of lying for money.

See, this I can understand because I felt like this for a little while. I didn't want to believe that the Cascio's would have done this to Michael as they've clearly been friends for a very long time. But if I were to believe that they didn't do this, then I'd be ignoring what my ears and those vocals are telling me. I just can't do that because then I wouldn't be honest with myself.

I know people don't want to compare the Cascios with the Arvizos or the Chandlers, but the motivation is the same....Money...Greed...It's a brutal reality, really, and not so far off from what's happened to Michael numerous times before...

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

To answer some questions here. Yes, when I heard BN for the first time I WANTED it to be Michael even though I couldn't recognize him.

When I heard Monster, it was too much.

Regarding Let me let go and Mamacita, yes there are people who still beolieve it is Michael. Some of them came to this forum or Max-Jax, I can't remember now and asked info about those songs.

There are also people (MJ's fans, not just random people) who so strongly believe that LLG and M are sung by Michael that they refuse to believe that someone like Jason Malachi exists despite his videos and songs credits.

And finally yes people can organize themselves in such a manner that the scam can range from being as tiny as stealing a nickle from customers to as big as governments providing fake reports regarding state's financial health creating a general chaos on the national and even international level when it's too late to do or admit any wrong doing.

Do not underestimate the power of money. Some people would sell their own mother for it.

 

[Arklove]

With every Cascio song that was leaked before the album came out, I had hope they could be Michael because I wanted it to be so bad. I listened and analyzed and TRIED to hear him, but I just didn't....Then KYHU came after BN, and just sounded so foreign...Yet, I still held out hope, and when I finally heard Monster, my heart sunk. It nailed it in the coffin for me. And this was all even before I heard any comparisons. The comparisons didn't do anything except reinforce what I was hearing. I was so sad and disappointed, and not for myself, but for Michael

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Let's not forget that the main reason non-doubters bought the album were the 7 remaining songs. I always said I'd buy the album even if there is only one song on the album (but then I'd probably just buy that one song from internet.

Another reason why some doubters did buy this album is also just because of the controversy itself! Owning a piece of controversial material does sell too, let's not forget that.

 

[Arklove]

^^ I bought it because I still had hope at that time that it was all a publicity stunt and the songs would actually BE Michael on the album....When I listened to the album for the first time, I ended up crying and wouldn't listen to the CD for a long, long time...I was quite naive, but I still had hope...I only would listen to the real songs on the Internet.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

^^ I bought it. I still had hope. When I listened to the album. I ended up. I was quite naive. I still had hope. I only would listen to the real songs.

Outstanding speech!

 

[StellaJackson]

If they had just used Slave To The Rhyhm, Blue Gangster and Do You Know Where Your Children Are instead of those three songs then we would have had a much better album. It blows my mind that they ignored the overhelming negative reaction to Breaking News. I just hope those songs get released on a future album and that they are not accompanied by any more Cascio tracks.

 

[love is magical]

We call Cardiff tribute concert cash-in, rightfully so. I'm definitely no fan of it. But, isn't the album Michael a cash-in too? Seriously, all posthumous releases are cash-in attempts. I mean do you really think that they do it for the fans? Think about how the entire album release was handled. From the unimaginative cover, to the plain booklet, to the lukewarm promotion, the whole project screams "low cost-high profit".

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

If they had just used Slave To The Rhyhm, Blue Gangster and Do You Know Where Your Children Are instead of those three songs then we would have had a much better album. It blows my mind that they ignored the overhelming negative reaction to Breaking News. I just hope those songs get released on a future album and that they are not accompanied by any more Cascio tracks.

If the Cascio possessed 12 unreleased songs by supposedly MJ, imagine ho many unreleased songs MJ must have in his own basement, yet they preferred the Cascio possessions over Michael's.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

We call Cardiff tribute concert cash-in, rightfully so. I'm definitely no fan of it. But, isn't the album Michael a cash-in too? Seriously, all posthumous releases are cash-in attempts. I mean do you really think that they do it for the fans? Think about how the entire album release was handled. From the unimaginative cover, to the plain booklet, to the lukewarm promotion, the whole project screams "low cost-high profit".

I read some fe lines about the tribute concert and just couldn't read further as the tribute seems to be alien to whatever MJ was about. Is it true that KISS will perform in that concert?

 

[love is magical]

If they had just used Slave To The Rhyhm, Blue Gangster and Do You Know Where Your Children Are instead of those three songs then we would have had a much better album. It blows my mind that they ignored the overhelming negative reaction to Breaking News. I just hope those songs get released on a future album and that they are not accompanied by any more Cascio tracks.

It's really a frustrating time to be a fan. Sometimes, I feel our voices are so tiny. They don't care about us. It's true that the initial response to Breaking News was overwhelmingly negative. Their response - released a statement. Even if they believe the songs are 100% genuine, should they at least consider that the songs are simply not fit to be released?

 

[StellaJackson]

If the Cascio possessed 12 unreleased songs by supposedly MJ, imagine ho many unreleased songs MJ must have in his own basement, yet they preferred the Cascio possessions over Michael's.

I think that's the problem. There weren't as many complete tracks lying around as they thought. Certainly not hundreds as has been speculated. When they were presented with the opportunity to acquire 12 complete contemporary MJ songs from a seemingly reliable source, they jumped at the chance.