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Re: August 29th hearing

I Don't trust Nurse Lee. I believe she is a plant.
 
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April 6[SUP]th[/SUP], 2009.Murray ordered 10 single dose vials of propofol from Applied pharmacy in Vegas
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Was this pharmacy his own or one that was owned by someone else?
 
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Ordered from someone else and he lied to the pharmacy about what it was for
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
If mj needed weaning off it it means he was already getting it from someone.but the testimony of lee etc doesnt support that. Like ivy says seems to me mj was looking for someone to give it to him.hence the meeting with adams and i can only presume mj asked lee about getting someone to give it and not to buy it as that makes no sense. Do u think murray would go out of his way and buy the stuff without telling mj just to make sure he got the job?
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Excellent point Elusive.
 
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August 30, 2011 8:11 AM

Lawyers hint they'll claim MJ killed himself


In a Los Angeles courtroom Monday, attorneys for the doctor accused of manslaughter in Michael Jackson's death offered some clues as to how they plan to defend him, reports CBS News Correspondent Ben Tracy.

Some of those closest to Jackson say he was weak, thin and desperate for drugs in the months before he died.

Now, lawyers for Dr. Conrad Murray say some in the late pop star's inner-circle should be forced to testify - for the defense.

Among them, nurse Cherilyn Lee, who went public with claims Jackson begged her for the powerful anesthetic Propofol.

"He said, 'I want an IV that, when I have this IV, when it drops into my vein, the first drop, I am knocked out," Lee said in June 2009.


Pictures: Michael Jackson


Murray admits giving Jackson the drug, but his defense team plans to argue that Jackson injected himself with the lethal dose.

The judge ruled Monday that two other doctors, who say the singer asked them for Propofol, must also take the stand.

"What Conrad Murray is hoping," explains CBS News legal analyst Lisa Bloom, "is that these witnesses will corroborate their position that Jackson was a known addict. They'll still have to link it up that he self-injected, but it makes it more likely."

But the judge blocked all testimony regarding Jackson's 2005 trial on child molestation charges, calling it "distracting and misleading" for jurors. Jackson was acquitted in the case.

In another blow to the defense, the judge crossed more than a dozen potential witnesses off their list.

They do plan to call Jackson's longtime make-up artist, Karen Faye. As the singer prepared to launch his "This Is It" comeback, Faye claims, he told her he didn't think he could "physically complete" the concert tour.

Meanwhile, Jackson's children paid tribute to their father's legacy on what would have been his 53rd birthday, attending an emotional gathering of his fans in his hometown of Gary, Ind.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/30/earlyshow/leisure/celebspot/main20099137.shtml



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How are they going to show that he was an addict of the drug. If 2 doctors gave you a drug during a period of 6 years, how is that showing you are an addict of the drug. How come he was an addict and did not need to have the drug on a daily basis. This legal person Lisa, feels that because he was a known addict, claimed by the defense, that he is more likely to kill himself. Another fool. I want to see them show that he was dependent on this drug to the point that he self-injected. I am sure the prosecution is going to show that he was not an addict at the time of death. That is why the autopsy is so important to this case.
 
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They cant even bring tge addict stuff in.this article was written before the latest ruling.theres not one piece of evidence mj was addicted to anything in 2009
 
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Thanks Elusive, but are they going to try and bring it in the back door when the 2 doctors go on the stand?
 
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Metzger and adams? i dont see how.metzger saw him about three times in ten years mj asked him about sleep meds in april so he comes in for that.and adams put mj under for dental work in 2008.murray claims adans put him under in march or april which adams denies.
 
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^^Yes that is true, and even if they were allowed to use the addict thing, again these doctors only gave him the drug for, what once or twice, so how would that have shown addiction. It is like me taking it in 08 for surgery and again in 09 for dental work. How is that showing I am addicted to it? The defense is annoying me with their lack of knowledge and expertise.
 
Re: August 29th hearing

To me the drug addict angle never did make sense to me. Because it made Murray look even more stupid and careless.

Here's the deal. Murry has been Michael doctor since 12/06. We know this because Murray had medical files from Michael that dates back that far. Murray didn't just meet Michael a couple months into 2009. So, as a doctor and as a 'friend', his words, how didn't Murray know Michael was an addict? As a doctor, would he at least advised Michael to see an addict specialist before he chose to work with him and give him any medication.

There is also the issue of the medication Murray actually prescripted to Michael. He prescripted two highly addicted sleep medication to a person with long-term sleep problems. If Michael was having problems with is addict, like he claimed, why did he prescripted those type of medications to him? Wouldn't it just make the problem worst to get him hooked to something else?

As for Murray's team questioning Michael's health, their argument still doesn't make any sense. They try to say Michael was unhealthy, but wasn't it Murray's job as a doctor to get Michael back in shaped. If Michael was sicked, why didn't he go to AEG and advised them to delay the concerts until Michael was well again? As far as I know, Murray never once attempted to stop the production, quite the opposite if you go back Kenny. I also don't see how given Michael highly addicted medication helps any either.

Finally, if Michael had a drug problem and if we are to believed Murray's version of events, why did he leave Michael alone hooked up to drugs? Also since he was the one given the medication, shouldn't he know how long the time lapsed would be before Michael woke up? He claimed he waited 10 minutes, left, and either came back 2 minutes later or 45 minutes later. In his first version, there is no way Michael could self-inject that fast unless he woke up the moment Murray left the room. The second version is even more strange since you have to ask why couldn't Murray take his calls in the room and why would he even be on the phone or leave the room with a highly dangerous drug hooked up to his patient.

I know the point of the defense is to present reasonable doubt, but this defense is just strange. Even if Michael self-infected, how would that explained Murray careless using drugs that really shouldn't be used in a home setting, leaving the patient alone with such drugs, and then failing to have the proper equipment in case something did go wrong. That also doesn't explained why he didn't tell MTs what happened if it was the case Michael self-injected.

None of Murray's supposed defense make any sense and just can't see how calling Michael an addict helps him except in character assassination. Maybe it was for public sympathetic.
 
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Ramona, I thank you for your excellent post. :flowers:
 
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Good post Romana. We have so many different versions from Muarry that I am curious to see which one the defense will settle on. It seems we are now at the he killed himself defense, now lets see how this will be shown in court. I expect to see the prosecution with some very technical expert witnesses. They need to show why it is impossible for Michael to self-inject.

I think they have given up on the drinking theory? Is that true?
 
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Petrarose said:
Good post Romana. We have so many different versions from Muarry that I am curious to see which one the defense will settle on. It seems we are now at the he killed himself defense, now lets see how this will be shown in court. I expect to see the prosecution with some very technical expert witnesses. They need to show why it is impossible for Michael to self-inject.

I think they have given up on the drinking theory? Is that true?
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I think the drinking theory was given up because since propfol(sp) apparently taste really bad and would had caused Michael to vomit. It I remember correctly, it was because propfol is made from eggs and it taste like rotten eggs.

Another problem with the self-injection theory is you have to ask why didn't Michael call Murray back into the room before self-injecting. Think about it, he is paying Murray all this money for care, so I don't see why Michael would just blindly decide to do it himself. Unless Murray is going to say Michael was so dazed and out of it that he wasn't thinking straight. If that was the case, Murray should had been aware of that danger and never should had left to begin with. However, that still wouldn't fully explain why Michael never once called for Murray to get his butt back into the room.
 
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Also we are hearing a lot about what the defense is trying to show, but the prosecution has not really laid out their plan to the public. Unlike the defense, they have not been going around saying we have XYZ and we will argue that such as such is the case. They only made a general statement during the preliminary. This is good because it gives the media less information to run wild with and distort. Look at what they have done with the defense's various statements on Dr. Drew and company.

The prosecution now knows all the different arguments that the defense will come up with and are prepared for it, so let the defense continue to run with drinking, addict, and stranger in room arguments.

I get the feeling that the defense is trying the case in the media, while at the same time complaining that the media coverage will hurt their client. Very ironic.
 
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Ramona122003 said:
To me the drug addict angle never did make sense to me. Because it made Murray look even more stupid and careless.

Here's the deal. Murry has been Michael doctor since 12/06. We know this because Murray had medical files from Michael that dates back that far. Murray didn't just meet Michael a couple months into 2009. So, as a doctor and as a 'friend', his words, how didn't Murray know Michael was an addict? As a doctor, would he at least advised Michael to see an addict specialist before he chose to work with him and give him any medication.

There is also the issue of the medication Murray actually prescripted to Michael. He prescripted two highly addicted sleep medication to a person with long-term sleep problems. If Michael was having problems with is addict, like he claimed, why did he prescripted those type of medications to him? Wouldn't it just make the problem worst to get him hooked to something else?

As for Murray's team questioning Michael's health, their argument still doesn't make any sense. They try to say Michael was unhealthy, but wasn't it Murray's job as a doctor to get Michael back in shaped. If Michael was sicked, why didn't he go to AEG and advised them to delay the concerts until Michael was well again? As far as I know, Murray never once attempted to stop the production, quite the opposite if you go back Kenny. I also don't see how given Michael highly addicted medication helps any either.

Finally, if Michael had a drug problem and if we are to believed Murray's version of events, why did he leave Michael alone hooked up to drugs? Also since he was the one given the medication, shouldn't he know how long the time lapsed would be before Michael woke up? He claimed he waited 10 minutes, left, and either came back 2 minutes later or 45 minutes later. In his first version, there is no way Michael could self-inject that fast unless he woke up the moment Murray left the room. The second version is even more strange since you have to ask why couldn't Murray take his calls in the room and why would he even be on the phone or leave the room with a highly dangerous drug hooked up to his patient.

I know the point of the defense is to present reasonable doubt, but this defense is just strange. Even if Michael self-infected, how would that explained Murray careless using drugs that really shouldn't be used in a home setting, leaving the patient alone with such drugs, and then failing to have the proper equipment in case something did go wrong. That also doesn't explained why he didn't tell MTs what happened if it was the case Michael self-injected.

None of Murray's supposed defense make any sense and just can't see how calling Michael an addict helps him except in character assassination. Maybe it was for public sympathetic.
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You are totally right!
 
September 6th hearing

Trial of Michael Jackson's doctor nears, but defense seeks delay

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Dr. Conrad Murray, who is accused in Michael Jackson's death, is requesting jury sequestration for his upcoming trial.


STORY HIGHLIGHTS
  • Dr. Conrad Murray's lawyers want an appeals court to delay the trial
  • Defense lawyers are asking the appeals court to order jurors be kept in a hotel
  • They want to be sure the jury "is not poisoned by the mass of information and opinion"
  • The trial judge said sequestering jurors would "make them feel like inmates"
Los Angeles (CNN) -- The doctor charged with causing Michael Jackson's death returns to a Los Angeles courtroom for a pre-trial hearing Tuesday, just two days before lawyers begin choosing his jury.

Dr. Conrad Murray's lawyers are waiting for a response to an emergency petition asking an appeals court to delay the trial so the decision not to sequester the jury can be reconsidered.

While it is unclear when the appeals court may respond, Murray and his lawyers will attend a hearing to deal with issues remaining before hundreds of potential jurors assemble for the jury selection process starting Thursday.

The judge and lawyers will sift through their answers to a questionnaire to determine which could withstand the financial and family hardship of sitting through the trial.

The defense wants jurors kept in a hotel, sheltered from the influence of news coverage during the trial, which is expected to last five weeks.

"Petitioner only asks that measures be put in place so that the jury is not poisoned by the mass of information and opinion that will be generated from the reporting," the defense argued in its petition.

Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor ruled last month that sequestration was not needed because he had faith jurors would follow his orders to avoid news reports and commentary about the case.

Keeping the jury separated from the rest of the world during the trial would "make them feel like inmates," Pastor said.

"This was, with all due respect, abuse of discretion," defense lawyers said in their 28-page petition.
Murray's attorneys, Nareg Gourjian and Edward Chernoff, had contended in court papers that "there is reasonable expectation that Dr. Murray's trial will be the most publicized in history."
They argued that Pastor did not fully realize the amount of media attention the trial was going to get.

"There is not one place a juror will be able to go where she will be free from seeing coverage of this case," the defense said. "Every restaurant, bar, gym, supermarket or coffee shop will become a potential source of information for a juror."

They compared the upcoming trial to the recent coverage of the Casey Anthony murder trial and said Murray could not get a fair trial if the jury was not isolated.

"Because of the international notoriety of Mr. Jackson, it would be impossible for a juror to browse any news source on television or the Internet, without seeing a boldly printed headline discussing the trial."

While Pastor said his decision against sequestration was not based on the estimated $500,000 cost, the defense noted that he said at a hearing in July that the court and state government "simply do not have the funds in any way to engage in this kind of procedure."

The Los Angeles coroner has ruled that Jackson's death on June 25, 2009 was caused by an overdose of the surgical anesthetic propofol, combined with other drugs.

Prosecutors have accused Murray, one of the pop star's doctors, of having a role in the overdose. Jury selection is set to begin next month in his trial.

Opening statements are set for September 27.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/0....murray.hearing/index.html?section=cnn_latest
 
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...the international notoriety of Mr. Jackson.
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Why say it like that? They are dropping in very subtle digs at Michael and I don't like it.
 
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Michael is going to be torne apart once more. i just pray the jury in this case will see him as a human and not as a "desperate fallen superstar". if Murray walks i don't know what i'll do.
 
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^^^^^^^ Yes he will, that why I would have thought that the defence wouldn't worry about jury sequestration as the headlines are usually always demeaning to Michael.
 
Re: August 29th hearing

Petrarose said:
I think they have given up on the drinking theory? Is that true?
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Ramona122003 said:
I think the drinking theory was given up because since propfol(sp) apparently taste really bad and would had caused Michael to vomit. It I remember correctly, it was because propfol is made from eggs and it taste like rotten eggs.
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I think the drinking theory is still on the table. Very recently they asked for a urine sample to retest in support of digestion theory.
 
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Yeah there was the comment about stomach contents etc in the last hearing do they still seem to be fishing with that theory
 
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Im gonna be at work so appreciate any updates
 
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ok I hope it is ok to ask this question here,,,although I know this thread is not about that,,,its just when I woke up the first thing that popped in my brain was this.....Will they televise the jury selection on tv just like they did in the Casey Anthony case? I believe that is part of the deal with allowing the cameras....we also heard the jurors being questioned
 
Ramona122003;3476258 said:
I think the drinking theory was given up because since propfol(sp) apparently taste really bad and would had caused Michael to vomit.
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The defense are still resorting to the drinking theory. They mention it in the transcript of the 29th August hearing.

But again, the hiding of medical evidence by Murray (the 100ml vial almost empty... among others) show his own culpability and that he gave more than the 25mg admitted by him so far. No way for the ingestion theory, the vial wouldn't have been were Álvarez saw it and Murray would have not reacted by hiding it before calling Emergencies.
 
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