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Re: August 29th hearing

elusive moonwalker said:
Klien was giving it to him.but according to the defence they seem to think that anyone who takes anything has to be addicted to it! amazing that mj was so addicted to it but he only saw klien on random days for treatments that required painkillers and there was none in his house.
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True, I forgot Klien gave it to him inconsistently for procedures.

I am waiting anxiously for the justices response, because this trial need to start and finish.
 
Re: September 6th hearing

Any updates yet?
I think the defence is starting to squirm. My opinion. Are they worried about jurors finding out about the autopsy report? The media will have to explain that. They will have to decifer what it means. I wonder how the media will eat crow?
It is sounding more like an open and shut case. At least I hope so. I hope its hot enough for you Murray.:evil:
 
Re: September 6th hearing

I wonder how the media will eat crow?
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As much as i would love for them to do that i doubt they would. They are too stuck up & ignorant to do so :angry:
 
Re: August 29th hearing

elusive moonwalker said:
Klien was giving it to him.but according to the defence they seem to think that anyone who takes anything has to be addicted to it! amazing that mj was so addicted to it but he only saw klien on random days for treatments that required painkillers and there was none in his house.
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Could anyone confirm if the folowing list with dates of visits to Klein is correct, please? Or refer me to the post where that is delt with ... I read it a couple of months ago, but I cannot find it now... I'm asking because I had the idea that the visits were fewer, in fact I thought that in May there was only one visit on 6th May because Klein was out of LA:

2008: October 23, 27, December 19, 31, 2009: January 7, 14, 29, February 5 & 11, March 12, 19, 23 April: 6, 9, 10, 13, 15, 17, 21, 22, 23, 25, 27, 28, 30, May: 4, 5, 6, 15, 19, 20, 21, June: 1, 3, 4, 9, 16, 22)

Thanks!
 
Re: September 6th hearing

tofdel1 said:
Any updates yet?
I think the defence is starting to squirm. My opinion. Are they worried about jurors finding out about the autopsy report? The media will have to explain that. They will have to decifer what it means. I wonder how the media will eat crow?
It is sounding more like an open and shut case. At least I hope so. I hope its hot enough for you Murray.:evil:
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its going to a pleasure seeing the defense TRY and dispute the autopsy report...it speaks for itself and NO MATTER how much they try and rip it apart...it will mean nothing. Also as you stated the media WILL HAVE to recognize it also...they cannot depute it either,,,,,it says what it says and there is NOTHING that they can do about it....short of calling the coroner a liar....and I dont think any of them will have the gall to do that
 
Re: September 6th hearing

[h=1]MJ Manslaughter Trial
Dr. Murray's Conduct
"Egregious and Unconscionable"[/h]

A prosecution witness will testify ... Dr. Conrad Murray committed "multiple egregious and unconscionable violations" in his treatment of Michael Jackson the day he died ... this according to documents obtained by TMZ.

Prosecutors filed the document because they want to shoot down the defense theory that MJ may have orally ingested the fatal dose of Propofol.

According to Dr. Steven Shafer, "There is a zero possibility that the propofol was orally ingested."

Dr. Shafer believes, "There is almost nothing in Murray's care of Michael Jackson that reflected the actions of a trained physician."

Judge Michael Pastor has not ruled on whether Dr. Shafer is qualified to testify about the oral ingestion of Propofol.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/09/07/dr-co...ng-ingest-propofol-witness-exclude-testimony/
 
Re: September 6th hearing

guess the pros motion will be up on the court website soon then. its not there at the mo. but the defence filing from yesterday was up not long after tmz reported on it
 
Re: September 6th hearing

I guess so elusive, do you know if there is a hearing today?
 
Re: September 6th hearing

yes in about 2 hrs ill start a thread
 
september 7th hearing

@ 12.30 pst. possible discussion of the diprivan expert? as it seems the pros have filed their reponce to the defences motions
 
Re: september 7th hearing

[h=1]Judge questions prosecution evidence in Conrad Murray trial[/h]By Alan Duke, CNN
September 7, 2011 -- Updated 1830 GMT (0230 HKT)

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
  • Conrad Murray's attorneys argue Michael Jackson may have drank drug that killed him
  • Prosecutors say studies show self-ingestion could not have killed Jackson
  • Jury selection begins Thursday in Murray's involuntary manslaughter trial

Los Angeles (CNN) -- Evidence intended to prove Michael Jackson could not have caused his own death may not be allowed in the involuntary manslaughter trial of Dr. Conrad Murray, the judge said Wednesday.
Murray's defense is built on the theory that Jackson drank propofol, the surgical anesthetic the coroner concluded killed him, while the doctor was away from his bedside on the morning of June 25, 2009.
Prosecutors want jurors to hear expert testimony based on a recent experiment conducted on six university students in Chile they argue proves there is "zero possibility that the propofol was orally ingested."
Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor raised questions about the experiment in a hearing Wednesday.
"I need more information about the underlying data since it is not a scientific published article," Pastor said. "I don't know the source of the information."
The judge will allow a prosecution expert to testify about a study on piglets conducted at a veterinary college in Norway, a report defense attorneys argued has nothing to do with how oral ingestion of propofol would affect a human.
The study involved five piglets that "have propofol suppositories shoved up their rectums and they are watched to see if they went to sleep," defense attorney Michael Flanagan said. "The rectum is at the other end of the (gastrointestinal) system."
Murray, who was hired as Jackson's personal physician as the singer rehearsed for comeback concerts, is charged with involuntary manslaughter.
Prosecutors contend Murray used a makeshift IV drip to administer propofol intended to help Jackson sleep, a practice they argue violated the standard of care and led to the pop icon's death.
Jury selection for the trial is set to start Thursday morning when about 160 potential jurors gather in the downtown Los Angeles courthouse to fill out questionnaires to determine if they are qualified to hear the case.
Opening statements in the trial, which will be televised, are expected to be delivered on September 27.






http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/09/07/california.conrad.murray.hearing/
 
Re: september 7th hearing

Great news regarding no delay! Your day is comming Murray!! Dont like the judges words regarding the testimony.
 
Re: september 7th hearing

Lets hope the source of information about the experiment in Chile is trustworthy and the testimony will be allowed
 
Re: september 7th hearing

Ouch, I would not want to be one of those piglets. Anyway, I'm glad this trial is finally about to start. I know it will be hell but it is better to get it over with now rather than it drag out even longer.
 
Re: september 7th hearing

Why does the article ignore the evidence of the students which is far more important.same ole
 
Re: september 7th hearing

My understanding from the defense motion is that the experiment has not been published and that the expert was not a witness in the experiment and they allegue that they could not cross examine this expert because they do not know how the experiment is related to this case...
 
Re: september 7th hearing

So the pros need to go get those involved in the experiments get on a flight to chile and get the dr and students.this is bleeping important.they better not blow it now
 
Re: september 7th hearing

^^ Maybe that's a way, but I hope prosecutors have others as well.

What is the scientific explanation for the defense theory of the "self-ingestion"? Are they going to provide any experts or is just an out of the blue sub-real idea they had ?
 
Re: september 7th hearing

I guess its all based around the tiny amount in the stomach.think whether they had experts was mentioned in an old hearing.dont think they had any but tbh i cant remember. sorry. thought the only experts they had were the ones who can only testify if murray does.and they are only basing their opinion on what murray told them happened
 
Re: september 7th hearing

Read that article wrong i though he wanted info re the pigs aswell. so hes allowing that but wants more info on the students.so thats something.but to me the students are far more important as they are humans.hell if it means helping to convict him ill drink the stuff
 
Re: september 7th hearing

elusive moonwalker said:
I guess its all based around the tiny amount in the stomach.think whether they had experts was mentioned in an old hearing.dont think they had any but tbh i cant remember. sorry. thought the only experts they had were the ones who can only testify if murray does.and they are only basing their opinion on what murray told them happened
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If I remember well their theory is based on the high ratio of lidocaine over propofol in the stomach in relation to the rest of the samples. They argued (in different motions started in August 2010...) that if they could have been able to test the two syringes to be quantified they could have shown that the proportion of lidocaine over propofol was higher in the "separated" syringe than in the other one...
But as prosecutors said in another motion they postponed indefinetly that testing... just as to use it as an excuse that there is no testing because time had happened and if they did it, it would disappear for ever.

But, Dr. Rogers (the Chiel Medical Coroner) provided good explanations in the preliminary for the great presence of lidocaine in the stomach... (one of them had to do with paramedics medication, Chernoff objected this since paramedics did not mention any lidocaine given by them, but Sophie said that usually lidocaine is applied on intubation gear...).
Most of it is in the thread related to "testimony from the preliminary", I think...

Sorry, if this is not the best place... But it's important.
 
Re: september 7th hearing

Yeah there was several valid reason for any dip etc in the stomach.the cpr and autopsey etc.all logical reasons for what they said was a small amount
 
Re: september 7th hearing

Small amount of propofol, big amount of lidocaine... in relation to the rest of the samples.

In fact 45 times the lidocaine in blood, said Chernoff.
 
Re: september 7th hearing

U think they will still go with the injection theory aswell? basicalky throw anything and everything

smooth.re the lidocane.so are they claiming mj drank that aswell?. cause what does that amount matter when its the diprivan thats the issue.
 
Re: september 7th hearing

Basically. wants more info on it where it came from etc
 
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