Ashtanga
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Murray could have been upstairs alone all the time. Would seem extremely odd though. But it's possible.
I also believe it would be possible.
Murray could have been upstairs alone all the time. Would seem extremely odd though. But it's possible.
I don't know what the actual amount found was but MJ had so much in his system it was detected in the fluid of his eyes! It was a massive amount even after Murray waited possibly hours before calling for help.
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No way. You have to take into account the lidocaine detected in syringes.
Don't forget that quote was from 9th March and that Walgren said he would provide more complete answers the following day... What was reported by fans in the court about the cameras being "motion sensitive" must appear in the transcripts of the following status hearings. I suppose some fans will have bought them...
QuirkyDiana00;3403304 said:It was not a massive amount. I believe it was reported in court that they estimated the volume to be somewhere between 10ml and 20ml. That's probably not a conclusive estimate though. It's a bit of a mistaken belief to think that because it was detected in the eyes MJ's body was bathing in it. It's not factual to suggest that. In fact this comment about MJ being 'drugged up to the eyeballs' was started by Brian Oxman, who as we know is hardly a fountain of reliable knowledge. It's just a soundbite. You need to be careful when using the word 'massive'....with such a sensitive case it's important that we are certain of the scientific facts.
i think with low amounts the propofol would also be detected, but i want to know facts know what we think
Is it true were getting the status hearing transcript? is that from the prelim?
I want to know what the amount was from a doctor or anestiologist how saw the lab results
Victory22;3403594 said:I can’t wait until we get expert testimony on the amounts of Propofol Michael was given as well. The implication so far however from what I heard at the preliminary trial is that much more than a small amount of the anesthesia was administered to MJ. Hence the diagnosis of acute propofol intoxication as cause of death. I want this trial to get underway so we can find out definitively one way or the other.
It was not a massive amount. I believe it was reported in court that they estimated the volume to be somewhere between 10ml and 20ml. That's probably not a conclusive estimate though. It's a bit of a mistaken belief to think that because it was detected in the eyes MJ's body was bathing in it. It's not factual to suggest that. In fact this comment about MJ being 'drugged up to the eyeballs' was started by Brian Oxman, who as we know is hardly a fountain of reliable knowledge. It's just a soundbite. You need to be careful when using the word 'massive'....with such a sensitive case it's important that we are certain of the scientific facts.
it doesn't matter how much exactly Michael was given. What matters is that the final dose (added to the other drugs already in his system) was one that is able to kill him.
Is wasn't just the prop. A cocktail of drugs killed him.
It's important because the amount should play a factor in how feasible Murray's defence is. Also, the bottle left on the floor - if it's determined that much more than 20ml was given then you'd have to question the point of trying to set up the scene with the 20ml bottle. If it was an obviously lethal quantity of propofol that was administered then that should raise questions about intent. Different doses of propofol give different effects on the body, but the therapeutic window is narrow meaning that it does not take much more than what is recommended for something to go wrong. That also should be considered. As you mention, there were also benzos in his system which is important when looking at how much propofol was given. That too can raise questions about intent. Some risks are obvious and Murray would have known those.
I agree amounts or better, concentration levels, should play a factor... But if an average induction dosage would have been 150mg as the defence said, you would need to fill in the syringe twice (allowing also for the lidocaine, it was mentioned the average ratio, but I don't remember, 1 lidoc 4 propo?), which would make almost impossible to self-inject with a syringe of 10cc (that's why IMO they thought better to resort to their other "novel" theory of the drink.)
I think anyway that its importent to hear the facts from experts and not our thoughts presenting as facts.
I accuse Ms. Peacock with the revolver in The Study..... LOLpersonally i think it was the vicar with the candlestick in the libary
My things is and I wanted to know when He came home,did Michael wear the same clothes that he rehearsed in that was found on the floor in his Bedroom June 25? If those weren't the clpthes he wore when he came home then something is really wrong here. The LAPD did the wrong thing by erasing other material on that tape that could be evidence that there was more than just the people who was there that day.