Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael"/ Excerpt @pg151/New Interview Post 3743

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

I don't think you need a "business woman" hat for that honestly.

Take the Japan example. Do you really think that Michael woke up one day and said I'll hop on to a plane to go to Japan and pose for pictures? Haven't we heard how the Jackson family were paid for a Jackson family tribute for Michael? Media reports how Kim Kardashian etc is being paid to have birthday parties at certain venues. Media report how people are being paid for TV interviews under the disguise of "licensing fees" for photographs.

As I always say do not underestimate the power of common sense. That's how entertainers earn a living. and to me it seems like it's something a general public can know by using a common sense and public knowledge.

and perhaps the most important question is if the other entertainers are paid to appear at the 30th anniversary and I believe they did - and please correct me if I'm wrong. If that's the case Elizabeth Taylor asking to be paid is really a moot point imo.


edited to add: did you read memoirs ? such as steve jobs ? seen the stories - terrible stories in that? that's what a memoir is. what good are they if you aren't going to tell any stories?

This would be very applicable if common sense is what drove people. But it is not. People are driven by inuendo & for the most part would rather someone else make up their minds for them. "Common sense is not common" is a wonderful quote about today's world. If common sense was so widely applied, we as fans of Michael would not have to constantly reason with people on the virtues of common sense because of them choosing instead to believe a salacious story.

Which takes me to your next quote. Memoirs are stories. However, it distinguishes the author and reflects upon the subject of the stories depending on which story is chosen to be told. After the death of someone that you purport to be your friend, especially a friend who you know was hounded so heavily publicly, you have to be careful what stories you recount. Some things are better left unsaid. As Bumper said, once you tell that story, what is a person to do with it? Had Cascio said that Elizabeth was paid to attend as is common for entertainers, or she paid to attend just like all of the other celebs making appearances, the story might still be better left alone, but at least it puts it into some kind of context and helps the reader from jumping to conclusions about insinuations that are not there. Unless the author meant to insinuate something by telling this story.

I for one have my own opinions of Elizabeth, that I won't share at this time because they are not in a popular opinion on an MJ board, however, despite how their friendship played out, I still believe she cared for him on some level. can we really say that most people ignorant to their relationship & only saw it on TV is going to come away with such a positive thought after reading that story?

(I say this without knowing the context of the story, and how it is portrayed. My opinion is bsed upon a stand alone reading of the story. My points may be mute when the actual book comes out depending on if the story is even in the book & how Cascio writes about it).
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

Don't know why people react so much about the Liz-Diamond-2001 concert thing. I think I heard that long time ago and don't recall people discuss this so much. What's the big deal? Liz liked diamonds and there's lots of similar stories like that before. On the other hand, it's like Ivy said entertainers charge fees to appear on occasion. If Michael didn't bother about this why should we? As for Cascios telling the story, maybe he think it's an interesting or funny story to share. I haven't see the documentary fully so I don't know what tune he spoke about this. Did he speak this in a tune accusing Liz's character? I think it all depend on how he word and speak about the story.
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

This would be very applicable if common sense is what drove people. But it is not. People are driven by inuendo & for the most part would rather someone else make up their minds for them. "Common sense is not common" is a wonderful quote about today's world. If common sense was so widely applied, we as fans of Michael would not have to constantly reason with people on the virtues of common sense because of them choosing instead to believe a salacious story.

Which takes me to your next quote. Memoirs are stories. However, it distinguishes the author and reflects upon the subject of the stories depending on which story is chosen to be told. After the death of someone that you purport to be your friend, especially a friend who you know was hounded so heavily publicly, you have to be careful what stories you recount. Some things are better left unsaid. As Bumper said, once you tell that story, what is a person to do with it? Had Cascio said that Elizabeth was paid to attend as is common for entertainers, or she paid to attend just like all of the other celebs making appearances, the story might still be better left alone, but at least it puts it into some kind of context and helps the reader from jumping to conclusions about insinuations that are not there. Unless the author meant to insinuate something by telling this story.

I for one have my own opinions of Elizabeth, that I won't share at this time because they are not in a popular opinion on an MJ board, however, despite how their friendship played out, I still believe she cared for him on some level. can we really say that most people ignorant to their relationship & only saw it on TV is going to come away with such a positive thought after reading that story?

(I say this without knowing the context of the story, and how it is portrayed. My opinion is bsed upon a stand alone reading of the story. My points may be mute when the actual book comes out depending on if the story is even in the book & how Cascio writes about it).

Also, common sense is not applicaple when gossiping. Anyone could say anything, and then use the excuse of "well use your common sense to understand it".
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

Don't know why people react so much about the Liz-Diamond-2001 concert thing. I think I heard that long time ago and don't recall people discuss this so much. What's the big deal? Liz liked diamonds and there's lots of similar stories like that before. On the other hand, it's like Ivy said entertainers charge fees to appear on occasion. If Michael didn't bother about this why should we? As for Cascios telling the story, maybe he think it's an interesting or funny story to share. I haven't see the documentary fully so I don't know what tune he spoke about this. Did he speak this in a tune accusing Liz's character? I think it all depend on how he word and speak about the story.

Well such kind of story could also be shared on his blog for free.
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

Well such kind of story could also be shared on his blog for free.

So now the problem of Liz's story is Frank will profit from the book? I think it's totally two different issues. For people profit from MJ, if Frank is telling all the truth in the book, I am fine with it. He put his effort to put together a book so I think it's fine that he profits. It would be nicer if he can donate part of the profit to the charity. The biggest problem I have for people writing books about MJ is that they make up so many things when they didn't even be there with MJ (ex LaToya and Jermaine). However, I think I will still save my comments for the book after I really read it.
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

It reminds me the story about Liz Birthday when they went to Vegas and Liz made Michael buy her a diamond vanity. I think she loved when he buy her jewels and she always loved to make and to tease men in order that. I think that's what Frank means. I'd like to think about it such way.
I remember Randy who didn't want to appear on MSG either and i don't remember why he changed his mind.
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

So now the problem of Liz's story is Frank will profit from the book? I think it's totally two different issues. For people profit from MJ, if Frank is telling all the truth in the book, I am fine with it. He put his effort to put together a book so I think it's fine that he profits. It would be nicer if he can donate part of the profit to the charity. The biggest problem I have for people writing books about MJ is that they make up so many things when they didn't even be there with MJ (ex LaToya and Jermaine). However, I think I will still save my comments for the book after I really read it.

No, that was the summerized version of my previous post.

I had said that what is important about Michael is his art, his magic, his genious mind. Now all the rest like private things in his life are just gossips and unimportant. I said if Frank really felt the urge to write about precious moments with Michael, why not creating a blog? But of course, the biggest question that I ask myself is why uncovering every single detail of MJ's private life. The Cascio family was something private, and of not any artistic interest.
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

For more than 20 last years they were more than friends. They were the family. Not the biological one but the real family. There was the reason why Michael did spend so much time with them. You could never see any of MJ's brothers or sisters following him to the book stores, museums or art galleries. Even during the Victory Tour. Cascios went with him everywhere. They didn't ask him to be around. He asked them so he would not be so lonely on the road.
It wasn't so easy with young children, who needed tutoring every day. They could be cranky. Especially when they had to adjust to different time zones. The hotels Michael stayed were fancy but not the kids friendly. I remember that once I had with me my very active 3-years old and we got room next to Michael suite in Grand hotel in Amsterdam. They didn't have any indoor or outdoor playground so my child wanted to climb the fancy sculpture over there. Still I was very surprised how grounded the Cascio kids were on the tours. And sometimes it was very boring for them.
I was always wondering why Michael socialized so little with his biological family and why he had to look for a shelters around the adopted families and not his own blood relatives?

I don't think anybody here is questioning Michael's feelings towards them.
They sure did have a hard decision to make when the biggest star in the world asks you to go on a tour with him or hang out with him what you should do?I am sure they had family meetings and they vote for that.

The question is why if Michael treated them as best friends for so long, why are they doing this now?They should treasure that friendship for the rest of their lives.
Oh, yes I remembered, for the fans, to show us the REAL MICHAEL!!! :mad:
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

This would be very applicable if common sense is what drove people. But it is not. People are driven by inuendo & for the most part would rather someone else make up their minds for them. "Common sense is not common" is a wonderful quote about today's world. If common sense was so widely applied, we as fans of Michael would not have to constantly reason with people on the virtues of common sense because of them choosing instead to believe a salacious story.

Which takes me to your next quote. Memoirs are stories. However, it distinguishes the author and reflects upon the subject of the stories depending on which story is chosen to be told. After the death of someone that you purport to be your friend, especially a friend who you know was hounded so heavily publicly, you have to be careful what stories you recount. Some things are better left unsaid. As Bumper said, once you tell that story, what is a person to do with it? Had Cascio said that Elizabeth was paid to attend as is common for entertainers, or she paid to attend just like all of the other celebs making appearances, the story might still be better left alone, but at least it puts it into some kind of context and helps the reader from jumping to conclusions about insinuations that are not there. Unless the author meant to insinuate something by telling this story.

I for one have my own opinions of Elizabeth, that I won't share at this time because they are not in a popular opinion on an MJ board, however, despite how their friendship played out, I still believe she cared for him on some level. can we really say that most people ignorant to their relationship & only saw it on TV is going to come away with such a positive thought after reading that story?

(I say this without knowing the context of the story, and how it is portrayed. My opinion is bsed upon a stand alone reading of the story. My points may be mute when the actual book comes out depending on if the story is even in the book & how Cascio writes about it).

Brilliant post. You put it in words much better than I did.

For fans, we understand the nature of Elizabeth's friendship with Michael. We know Elizabeth cannot be bought by a diamond necklace. The gift was simply a gift. So, I understand why some here think it's no big deal. However, I can almost guarantee that when the TV talkheads mention this quote, they will insinuate that the friendship is based on diamonds and gifts. Actually, many people think their relationship was indeed based on money and gifts.

While Ivy said don't underestimate the power of common sense, I say don't overestimate the power of common sense for common sense is not common in this day and age.

Same as Ginvid, my opinion is based on this stand alone quote. I'll take my opinion back if the quote is not featured in the book.
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

No, that was the summerized version of my previous post.

I had said that what is important about Michael is his art, his magic, his genious mind. Now all the rest like private things in his life are just gossips and unimportant. I said if Frank really felt the urge to write about precious moments with Michael, why not creating a blog? But of course, the biggest question that I ask myself is why uncovering every single detail of MJ's private life. The Cascio family was something private, and of not any artistic interest.

I do agree most of the things you said here. People tend to like to dig out all the details about MJ. To me, I think it's ok that people write books about MJ as long as they are telling the truth. For people who actually know MJ, just write the things they actually know and experience. For people like JRT who wrote the biography, write things with solid source and give citation where the source is from. Then, it's fans decision to buy it or not. To me, as long as they didn't make up things and exaggerate things to gain rating, it's fine for me.
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

Many fans aren't even happy with those. See the "Michael" album debacle. (And I have to say I agree with those who are critical of that album because the production is not Michael's level at all. Sony needs to get their act together the next time they release something from Michael and do it with at least striving for the perfection that characterized Michael. Not doing it quick and cheap like they did with the "Michael" album.)

Thing is we don't know Michael would have wanted any of those you mentioned either. If they release unreleased pictures or songs: aren't they unreleased because Michael didn't want to release them? That question is always there, no matter what.

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Not relating to the book but Frank was in Gest's documentary and this is what a fan from a different forum said:Maybe this is a little preview for the book:

About the MSG show, Gest and Cascio say that Jermaine was a problem and acting weird asking for strange things and terms so Michael told him not to perform and then he got his act together. Maybe this is why Jerms is not endording this doc?

Cascio says Elizabeth Taylor said she wouldn't go with Michael as his date to MSG and was hoing and humming about it. Cascio says Liz doesn't do something for nothing and so Mike bought her a $250,000 necklace and she changed her mind.

The Liz thing more kind of suggested that Liz was being a spoiled diva and wanted a bauble rather than Mike had to buy her company.

:unsure:


Oh God! :doh: That's how it all begins.... :sigh:
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

I understand that celebrities get paid for appearances. But if you going to an event to support a friend why do you need to get something or be paid for it? This is easy to be perceived by people in different ways. It should be explained a bit better.

Well Elizabeth is buried at Forest lawn close to Michael. I don't know if she had other plans before Michael died but she chose there and that says a lot to me about their friendship right there.
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

About that MSG/Liz bit I posted few pages earlier that wasn't from the upcoming book from Frank. Frank said this in the new David Gest MJ documentary. I thought maybe this was a little preview to the book so I posted here.

Sorry for causing frustration and confusion. I didn't mean to :(

I'm sure Frank cherishes Liz's friendship with Michael.
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

I understand that celebrities get paid for appearances. But if you going to an event to support a friend why do you need to get something or be paid for it? This is easy to be perceived by people in different ways. It should be explained a bit better.

Well Elizabeth is buried at Forest lawn close to Michael. I don't know if she had other plans before Michael died but she chose there and that says a lot to me about their friendship right there.

Well that's cuz, before they died, Michael wanted her to be next to him, and she accepted on the condition that he buys her anothe necklace.
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

I am sorry to say but the comment about liz does come off as wrong and unkind. I would say this about any author, that it is more "adult" to leave off the name calling (as we say in threads). After all, Frank knows how much Michael appreciated Liz, so a comment like that while discussing Michael, was inappropriate. Liz had nothing degrading to say about Michael and the Cascios. At least, we never heard about it. Some things should be left unsaid. If he simply said Liz wanted some jewelry as payment for her appearance, then that would be OK. We all know as Ivy said that artists/stars/doctors/lawyers/professionals get paid for making appearances. However, his choice of words are questionable.
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

Based on what ivy said in the other thread, Fran said in the Gesy doc that Mike was no addict :good:
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

first of all as far as I can see that's a story shared in the Gest documentary when they are talking about the 30th anniversary show. We don't know if it's in the book or not. If you watch the documentary it's aimed to be a funny story - the demeanor is like that.

Michael really wanted Elizabeth Taylor as his date on the show.. but Elizabeth Taylor wasn't gonna do anything for nothing. (smiles) "Oh Michael I don't know. I'm not feeling so well and I don't think it's a good idea". That day he picked the most beautiful necklace (laughing) for Elizabeth Taylor. "Oh Michael I love it. Of course I will come to the show with you". So Elizabeth Taylor for a fee of $250,000 necklace (smiling) was Michael's date at the show (huge smile).

ps : that "fee" word alone to me says it was an appearance fee.

Had Cascio said that Elizabeth was paid to attend as is common for entertainers, or she paid to attend just like all of the other celebs making appearances, the story might still be better left alone, but at least it puts it into some kind of context and helps the reader from jumping to conclusions about insinuations that are not there. Unless the author meant to insinuate something by telling this story.

Context is not something you'll see at the documentary. Because there are extra's and for example in some part Katherine speaks for 5 minutes but in the documentary you see 2 sentences from that 5 minutes. who know what context that Frank was telling the story. Like I said the demeanor seems like it was aimed to be a funny anecdote.

Which takes me to your next quote. Memoirs are stories. However, it distinguishes the author and reflects upon the subject of the stories depending on which story is chosen to be told. After the death of someone that you purport to be your friend, especially a friend who you know was hounded so heavily publicly, you have to be careful what stories you recount. Some things are better left unsaid.

I strongly recommend you read the book about Steve Jobs and see how he's portrayed as an asshole, how he felt he was special and how he steals ideas etc. So I guess you can either sugarcoat a person or be real about them.
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

The reason why the quote from Frank is off in so many ways it's because the Doc is aimed to make MJ more simpathetic and shows him being a person in many ways used an abused by many around him. So to add that in there about Taylor came off as she was one who did the same to Michael. So it shouldn't be so hard to understand why so many including myself thought it shouldn't have been said considering all she has done for MJ that wasn't even mentioned.
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

Elizabeth Taylor is a person who has written a book called "My love affair with jewelry". In her own book in her own words she tells that they were at Vegas for her birthday and asked "where's my present" and then mentioning him the jewelry shops and Michael buying her an elephant shaped evening bag. She mentions of going to an auction and telling him he must buy something.

then there's also this story

While she spoke up for him, he shelled out for her. Jackson indulged in Taylor's love of jewels, giving her diamond bracelets, watches and necklaces. He allegedly promised her a $600,000 piece of jewelry for allowing footage of her to be used in the 2003 TV special "Michael Jackson's Private Home Movies."

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment...ple-now/story?id=13214580&page=2#.TrIinkOa9GU
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

Why is it so hard to acknowledge that base on what the doc was about it just didn't look right! Geez
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

Why is it so hard to acknowledge that base on what the doc was about it just didn't look right! Geez

And by the way, all these things about MJ and Liz, how instructive... NOT!
 
Why is it so hard to acknowledge that base on what the doc was about it just didn't look right! Geez

Maybe because of something called perception.... I haven't watch the documentary yet but when I read the quote it came off as a bad thing. When people who actually watched the documentary described what context it was said in, it made more sense. I still won't give my final judgement on it until I watch it. One thing I can say about Ivy is that she isn't one who twist or over exaggerate things like some others (that's not directed at you).
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

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Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

chanel05 I did watch the Doc and it is aimed to show MJ in a more simpathic way and how he was later used in life. So the quote about Taylor in my opinion did not fit! I would have perfered that they mentioned all the good she did for him and the times she stood by him especially during the time he was ill and had to go to rehab during the 93 allegations. He was alone and she alone help him during that time get cleaned. Now why wasn't something like that mentioned instead of something that came out has so gossipy and like I said before, useless info. It would have been only fair to atleast mention who helped him during that time aswell. I mean Frank had the opportunity to say for himself that he warned MJ about the Arviso's. So why couldn't someone say that Taylor helped MJ during 93?
 
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Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

Let me quote Michael himself, as apparently some don't even realize at what extent Michael found it tiring to waste time on topics unrelated to the art when talking about artists instead of talking about their genius mind:

Oprah: 'I just wanna get this straight: you are not taking anything to change the color of your skin...'

Michael: 'Oh God! No! I'm trying to control it, and using the make-up evens it out cuz it makes blotches on the skin. I have to even up my skin...
But you know what's funny? Why is it that so important? You know, that's not important to me. I am a great fan of art. I love Michaelangelo. If I had the chance to talk to him or read about him, I would wanna know what inspired him to become who he is, the anatomy of his craftsmanship. Not about: 'Who he went out with last night?' or "Why did he decide to sit in the sun so long?' or 'What's wrong with...?' ... I mean that's [inspiration, craftsmanship] what's important to me.'


So my question is, what is Frank offering in his book about Michael? His inspirations? His craftsmanship? The process of creating?
Is he offering something Michael did not tell already? Or is Frank writing about what Michael calls 'not important'?
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

^ Well reading what the book will be about on Amazon it will be base mostly on the private life of MJ. O_O
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

^ Well reading what the book will be about on Amazon it will be base mostly on the private life of MJ. O_O

You know private stuff like that is maybe just nice to remember. Like some anecdotes Teddy Riley told in one of his interviews. It would be probably interesting to hear some nice and funny anecdotes from all of MJ's friends, nothing wrong with innocent things like that, but unveiling MJ's privacy is kind betraying what MJ was looking for in his life as a non-artist. This book only confirms that Michael's death serves to make money off of his name, nothing more.
 
Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

Let me quote Michael himself, as apparently some don't even realize at what extent Michael found it tiring to waste time on topics unrelated to the art when talking about artists instead of talking about their genius mind:

Oprah: 'I just wanna get this straight: you are not taking anything to change the color of your skin...'

Michael: 'Oh God! No! I'm trying to control it, and using the make-up evens it out cuz it makes blotches on the skin. I have to even up my skin...
But you know what's funny? Why is it that so important? You know, that's not important to me. I am a great fan of art. I love Michaelangelo. If I had the chance to talk to him or read about him, I would wanna know what inspired him to become who he is, the anatomy of his craftsmanship. Not about: 'Who he went out with last night?' or "Why did he decide to sit in the sun so long?' or 'What's wrong with...?' ... I mean that's [inspiration, craftsmanship] what's important to me.'


So my question is, what is Frank offering in his book about Michael? His inspirations? His craftsmanship? The process of creating?
Is he offering something Michael did not tell already? Or is Frank writing about what Michael calls 'not important'?

thank you for making me cry, damn it :girl_cry:
 
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I'm pretty sure the Necklace/MSG thing was spoken about on here before around the time of Liz' passing. Frank wasnt the first to say it, it came from someone else close to Michael, many of us didn't think much of it, and most agreed that there may have been some truth to it. Now a Cascio says the same thing and it's interpreted as him saying Liz only befriended Michael for gifts.Give me a break.
yeah its old. .it was reported on back in the day if i remember. frankly if this is the worst thing in the book ppl should be gratefull. considering how the jacksons are spitting on mj at this very moment. doing the rounds on tv helping murray
 
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