Frank Cascio "My Friend Michael"/ Excerpt @pg151/New Interview Post 3743

[Autumn II]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

the timing is very very suspicious to say the least. I don't know but isn't it very obvious Frank's comment about hiding drugs from MJ gives credibility to Chernoff's argument. He does confirm that mj was very willing and capable of taking drugs , large doses of drugs in moments of desperation . the verdict is guilty but when frank gave the interview it was not and he knew perfectly well that was the basis for the defense argument yet he said it anyway on national tv.

yahoo, cbs, abc, cnn ....etc people commenting r divided on sending murray to jail but the vast majority thank to people like frank and the jacksons agree mj was an addict, doctor shopping and his death was a matter of time.

Thankfully, the verdict is IN, and Judge Pastor has remanded Murray to custody, with no bail. This is now OVER, except for the sentencing.

Chernoff's "argument" had no credibility at all, and it is OVER. "The People" have spoken, and thankfully, Murray was taken away in handcuffs. Logic, reason, and compassion have prevailed. And, the result is GOOD. Thankfully.... the result is good . .

It's OVER.

 

[classic]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

I hope that people are as moved to action and anger over the announcement of a documentary on Murray and his supposed truth of the situation as they were about this book and Frank Cascio. That is something that has no right whatsoever to air.

 

[KOPV]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

the thing about "credibility" of the defense and the correlation to what Frank and Jackson family has stated is ---> it does not matter what drugs Michael took or was/if addicted to.. That shouldnt and didnt weigh much in court because the DR physically put the drug in Michael which caused his death.. so MJ could have taken whatever drug through the years but the DR putting the drugs that night in Michael along with neglogance and abandonment caused his death.. Not what he took in 2001, 2002, 2003, or any other time..

 

[Justice_MJ]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

I encourage everyone to rather donate for the Wagener documentary instead of buying this book.
This is how we could get the truth out to the public.

 

[ivy]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

I encourage everyone to rather donate for the Wagener documentary instead of buying this book.
This is how we could get the truth out to the public.

wagener is quite shady. and tom sneddon is already retired. his documentary is like beating a dead horse.
if you want to donate , donate to unicef, red cross.

 

[Justice_MJ]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

wagener is quite shady. and tom sneddon is already retired. his documentary is like beating a dead horse.
if you want to donate , donate to unicef, red cross.

Frank Cascio is shady. Don't buy the book and donate to red cross or unicef.

 

[ivy]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

Frank Cascio is shady. Don't buy the book and donate to red cross or unicef.

I already donate to Unicef every month so thank you for nothing.

my point was Wagener is soliciting fans for millions of dollars for a documentary to undercover an already retired prosecutor. That's not a good thing to encourage everyone - like you did. if you are going to encourage everyone at least use already established legit charities or allow them make their own decisions.

 

[Gif9gud]

I am gonna order Frank´s book, and I am gonna read too!

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

If you don't know where to donate, I'll give you my bank account number

 

[Justice_MJ]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

I already donate to Unicef every month so thank you for nothing.

my point was Wagener is soliciting fans for millions of dollars for a documentary to undercover an already retired prosecutor. That's not a good thing to encourage everyone - like you did. if you are going to encourage everyone at least use already established legit charities or allow them make their own decisions.

Oh please, the point is not at all costs to go after Sneddon. It's to inform the public about what went wrong during the trial, how corrupt the justice system is, that MJ is innocent, that everything was planned to get him down, and so on. In the eyes of the public he's still seen as a pedophile. It's to reach those people. Make a change in their thinking. In my opinion, it would be a success, even if it reaches only a couple people.

"Allow them to make their own decisions". Lol! It was a suggestion or have I threatened anyone? Btw, this goes to you as well. Why do you call Wagener shady without knowing him? This guy is an honorable man who fights for other people and justice without personal gain. How shady is that?

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

wagener is quite shady. and tom sneddon is already retired. his documentary is like beating a dead horse.
if you want to donate , donate to unicef, red cross.

A pure question: did you see the documentary?

 

[Autumn II]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

William Wagener became well-known during Michael's trial as one of the very few who tried to fight corruption in Santa Barbara county, and particularly, tried to uncover corruption in the DA's office. In Santa Barbara there were many, MANY documented cases of lawsuits for malicious prosecution, planting or concealing evidence, police brutality, and other infractions. Even though Sneddon has retired, it can probably be assumed that these problems continue to plague the citizens of that county. I'm sure that Wagener's assertions can be corroborated by attorneys in the county.

My understanding is, that Wagener is attempting to VINDICATE Michael, by documenting his perceptions of law-enforcement corruption in Santa Barbara county. Any donations would be by individual choice, and would involve research as to the projected use of those funds. I certainly wouldn't dismiss his efforts without doing some digging into his history and motivations? During the trial, he was SOLIDLY on the side of Michael . . . . . .

 

[ivy]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

I know who he is and what he has done. And I have done my digging into the intentions. I do not comment about a subject unless I believe I have a pretty good idea about what I'm saying.

He has recently set out a web page and has been soliciting funds for a new documentary , he said he needed millions of dollars for it (4 million if I'm not mistaken) and he said it would be used to bring Sneddon to court.

And I'm telling you for a fact that Sneddon is retired, time to sue for malicious prosecution is long over. So you can donate to him million dollars but most probably it's not gonna result in what he says.

and I can be skeptical if a person is soliciting for something that is not technically, legally and realistically possible. Also your donations are not refundable if the movie is not made and if the movie is made Wagener holds all the rights.

A pure question: did you see the documentary?

he needs 4 million fans to donate to it and then build the sets and shot it and then buy TV time to air it. So no one has seen his documentary and probably won't see it - for a long time at least.

then you need enough people in CA to see it, to be angered by it, convince people / legal prosecutors of a fraud, wait for a criminal charging / trial to happen and then indict Sneddon. Changes everyone's perceptions about Michael and then be able to collect huge donations for Michael's charities.

and I'm a realistic person as many of you know - believing into fairy tales is not my thing.

let me give you a shortcut - donate directly to charities that Michael supported.

peace out.

ps: as you can see none of my posts were Cascio versus Wagener. Anything and everything about Cascio aside, I do not believe Wagener to be a good option for donation - based only on him.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

I know who he is and what he has done. And I have done my digging into the intentions. I do not comment about a subject unless I believe I have a pretty good idea about what I'm saying.

He has recently set out a web page and has been soliciting funds for a new documentary , he said he needed millions of dollars for it (4 million if I'm not mistaken) and he said it would be used to bring Sneddon to court.

And I'm telling you for a fact that Sneddon is retired, time to sue for malicious prosecution is long over. So you can donate to him million dollars but most probably it's not gonna result in what he says.

and I can be skeptical if a person is soliciting for something that is not technically, legally and realistically possible. Also your donations are not refundable if the movie is not made and if the movie is made Wagener holds all the rights.



he needs 4 million fans to donate to it and then build the sets and shot it and then buy TV time to air it. So no one has seen his documentary and probably won't see it - for a long time at least.

then you need enough people in CA to see it, to be angered by it, convince people / legal prosecutors of a fraud, wait for a criminal charging / trial to happen and then indict Sneddon. Changes everyone's perceptions about Michael and then be able to collect huge donations for Michael's charities.

and I'm a realistic person as many of you know - believing into fairy tales is not my thing.

let me give you a shortcut - donate directly to charities that Michael supported.

peace out.

ps: as you can see none of my posts were Cascio versus Wagener. Anything and everything about Cascio aside, I do not believe Wagener to be a good option for donation - based only on him.

Set aside the way how the money is raised (through donations or by selling books), you negatively judge something before seeing it and even telling people what to do (not to donate), yet you fiercely defend something before reading it, yet knowing that the author in three minutes of interview managed to call MJ addicted?

p.s. When I asked my question a simple yes or no would have been sufficient.

 

[ivy]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

Set aside the way how the money is raised (through donations or by selling books), you negatively judge something before seeing it and even telling people what to do (not to donate), yet you fiercely defend something before reading it, yet knowing that the author in three minutes of interview managed to call MJ addicted?

p.s. When I asked my question a simple yes or no would have been sufficient.

first of all I wrote multiple times that I will make my determination - good or bad- after reading it - that still stands.

I did my evaluation of that documentary after reading information and contacting and discussing it with several people involved - I gave the documentary the due process that I mention and advocate for the book. If you pay attention to my posts I never tell people to like or hate the book, I'm saying wait and evaluate it properly. For example you had no idea about the documentary - whether even it existed or not. On the contrary I know what I'm talking about. I did not see the name and jumped to a conclusion. I had already done my research. I had already been approached by multiple people about the documentary.

Other thing is that a book only promises a story to you. I have issues with "false promises". It's not about the $10-20 that I give, it's about the promise. When I give my money to Unicef , I want to know that it will go to children. When someone "promises" something that's not legally possible or highly far fetched, I can stop and say "hey hold on a minute".

and as I said donate if you want I don't care. I just wouldn't cry if it never becomes a "reality". and I strongly believe there are better alternatives for donation.

(and again -this is totally separate issue than Frank and his book. As you can see I'm not proposing Frank's book as an alternative to Wagener. I'm just saying spend your money better, donate it to a better alternative)

 

[bluetopez]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

Getting back to the topic.

I see nothing wrong with anyone expressing their disapointment of a subject thus far that will no doubt be in his book that he has already gave a 3 mins sneek of on TV. If he feels he was used or somehow edited wrong or whatever his excuse is, then next time don't give an interview. Being MJ friend for so long and seeing what the media did to MJ in some of his non live interviews he should have known better IMO.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

first of all I wrote multiple times that I will make my determination - good or bad- after reading it - that still stands.

I did my evaluation of that documentary after reading information and contacting and discussing it with several people involved - I gave the documentary the due process that I mention and advocate for the book. If you pay attention to my posts I never tell people to like or hate the book, I'm saying wait and evaluate it properly. For example you had no idea about the documentary - whether even it existed or not. On the contrary I know what I'm talking about. I did not see the name and jumped to a conclusion. I had already done my research. I had already been approached by multiple people about the documentary.

Other thing is that a book only promises a story to you. I have issues with "false promises". It's not about the $10-20 that I give, it's about the promise. When I give my money to Unicef , I want to know that it will go to children. When someone "promises" something that's not legally possible or highly far fetched, I can stop and say "hey hold on a minute".

and as I said donate if you want I don't care. I just wouldn't cry if it never becomes a "reality". and I strongly believe there are better alternatives for donation.

I'm sorry but my question was simply did you see it, nothing else. The rest you added.

Based on the fact that you did not see the documentary, you can't judge it, no matter the way you approached it, the fact is you didn't see it.

Now regarding Frank, did he say that MJ was addicted, yes or no? I think it was clear what he said. Yet you still defend him and even suggest a platform, just like you defend his brother giving them the benfit of doubt despite the whole controversy on Michael for which they do not give a damn.

You have been claiming so much how neutral you have been, but this just confirmed how neutral you haven't been. As far as I am concerned, I have never claimed I have been neutral, I know on what foot I have been standing and why.


Sorry, but after reading these last posts about your clear position regarding a documentary that you have not seen at all, but pure speculations, and your obviously ambiguous and rather defensive position regarding the Cascios despite the high controversy, your credibility has just suffered from severe bias despite your assurance of being neutral.


Why don't you face the obvious: neutrality does not exist. I said it already in the other controversy thread a year ago. For if neutrality existed you'd fight within yourself against yourself which would be expressed sooner or later in your posts and eventually force you to contradict your own statements. Which has just happened and you even seem to ignore it.

 

[Rhilo]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

This Cascio debate is getting old, seriously. People have the right to buy or not buy his book, but the over the top defending of him isn't helping to keep things in perspective. Why not wait till the book is out or until he starts his book campaign, when he will do more interviews? It'll be easier to gauge his inentions then.

However, it isn't really helping Michael's legacy with all his family and friends focusing on his prescription medication dependency. Conrad Murray is about to have his documentary aired, which too will center around this. Michael's family and friends are doing the same thing - why? Because that's what sells. The media runs with stories on addiction and other morbid details. Latoya did it, Jermaine did it (to a lesser extent with the secret plan to escape story) and now it seems like Frank Cascio is about to do it. I hope he proves me wrong, but we all know this is what sells, and sets tongues wagging in the media. It gets the best exposure possible for the book, documentary (e.g. David Gest), whatever. BUT that doesn't make it right or the decent thing to do...

 

[ivy]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

Based on the fact that you did not see the documentary, you can't judge it, no matter the way you approached it, the fact is you didn't see it.

did you even read what I wrote or just writing for the sake of it? because it simply doesn't make sense.

if I have to spell it to you : I'm calling it a scam. you cannot see a scam. I'm calling it a ploy/ a false promise to solicit 4 million dollars from innocent fans. it if could have been seen it wouldn't be a scam.

You have been claiming so much how neutral you have been, but this just confirmed how neutral you haven't been. As far as I am concerned, I have never claimed I have been neutral, I know on what foot I have been standing and why.

believe me it is obvious that you aren't neutral. Today I did not advocate for Frank's book - not once. It wasn't my objective at all. I did not say don't support Wagener but buy Frank's book. Never. I actually did not even write anything about "don't buy the book" part. I tried to protect people from a possible scam yet you had problems with it - simply because you wanted to be against me. that's how much you are blinded to realize what I am even talking about.

Sorry, but after reading these last posts about your clear position regarding a documentary that you have not seen at all, but pure speculations, and your obviously ambiguous and rather defensive position regarding the Cascios despite the high controversy, your credibility has just suffered from severe bias despite your assurance of being neutral.

In case you don't know: I don't give a rat's ass about what you think about me when it's obvious that you have issues with me. You are the last person here to make a "fair and neutral" evaluation of me.


My credibility is fine, thank you very much. everyone saw that I advocated not to rush into judgement and wait for the book to come to a better evaluation. I came to my conclusions about the documentary after talking 2 of the people involved in it in great depth over weeks and reading discussions / posts about it. I did what I preach.


PS: I can no longer deal with ish. Back to ignore.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

did you even read what I wrote or just writing for the sake of it? because it simply doesn't make sense.

if I have to spell it to you : I'm calling it a scam. you cannot see a scam. I'm calling it a ploy/ a false promise to solicit 4 million dollars from innocent fans. it if could have been seen it wouldn't be a scam.




believe me it is obvious that you aren't neutral. Today I did not advocate for Frank's book - not once. It wasn't my objective at all. I did not say don't support Wagener but buy Frank's book. Never. I actually did not even write anything about "don't buy the book" part. I tried to protect people from a possible scam yet you had problems with it - simply because you wanted to be against me. that's how much you are blinded to realize what I am even talking about.




In case you don't know: I don't give a rat's ass about what you think about me when it's obvious that you have issues with me. You are the last person here to make a "fair and neutral" evaluation of me.


My credibility is fine, thank you very much. everyone saw that I advocated not to rush into judgement and wait for the book to come to a better evaluation. I came to my conclusions about the documentary after talking 2 of the people involved in it in great depth over weeks and reading discussions / posts about it. I did what I preach.

I have nothing against you, but against some things you said, so stop turning it into something personal when it's not. Read all your comments from the very beginning and you'll see your inconsistancies.

 

[missred07]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

It's off topic but I have to agree with Ivy on the wagener issue. What Wagener said is un-realitic. That's no way he can put Sneddon in jail. It's almost unbelievable to think a documentary can change the law system. It's also unbelievable to think a documentary can change what the public think and even to vindicate Michael. People who want to believe MJ is a pedo won't bother to watch a documentary. There's evidence laying out there but they still believe MJ is a pedo. And you expect them to change their opinion??? People who had open mind willing to do some research themselves would already be convinced by all the evidence including FBI files and Aphordite Jones' book etc. I really didn't see how Wagener can achieve what he promised. What he can do to the documentary? I guess the same, interview T-Mez and probably many other witness. Unless he can got Tom Sneddon, Jody Chandler or Gavin to confess, I really don't see how can Wagener do any other things besides repeat the same similar thing like others over and over again. To me, I feel he had issue with Tom Sneddon but I really don't think he can achieve anything. I just can't see anything he can do to achieve what he said.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

William Wagener became well-known during Michael's trial as one of the very few who tried to fight corruption in Santa Barbara county, and particularly, tried to uncover corruption in the DA's office. In Santa Barbara there were many, MANY documented cases of lawsuits for malicious prosecution, planting or concealing evidence, police brutality, and other infractions. Even though Sneddon has retired, it can probably be assumed that these problems continue to plague the citizens of that county. I'm sure that Wagener's assertions can be corroborated by attorneys in the county.

My understanding is, that Wagener is attempting to VINDICATE Michael, by documenting his perceptions of law-enforcement corruption in Santa Barbara county. Any donations would be by individual choice, and would involve research as to the projected use of those funds. I certainly wouldn't dismiss his efforts without doing some digging into his history and motivations? During the trial, he was SOLIDLY on the side of Michael . . . . . .

Autumn you are correct. I know this is off topic but it was brought up here. In September, I met Wagner at a banquet dinner presented by Justice for Michael where TMez was the main speaker. TMez spoke about the trial and Wagner explained that the donations are going to recreate the trial because most people only know about the prosecution side due to media bias. The transcript of the trial will be used to recreate the whole proceedings, and it will be filmed in another state to make it cheaper. I donated and several others did. TMez signed ties which some of us bought for $100. I even have pictures of the event and many of TMez. Some may think he is shady, but others do not.

So I guess some can use the money to buy the book, or donate to unicef, or help promote justice for Michael. Let your heart be your guide.

 

[Autumn II]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

Autumn you are correct. I know this is off topic but it was brought up here. In September, I met Wagner at a banquet dinner presented by Justice for Michael where TMez was the main speaker. TMez spoke about the trial and Wagner explained that the donations are going to recreate the trial because most people only know about the prosecution side due to media bias. The transcript of the trial will be used to recreate the whole proceedings, and it will be filmed in another state to make it cheaper. I donated and several others did. TMez signed ties which some of us bought for $100. I even have pictures of the event and many of TMez. Some may think he is shady, but others do not.

So I guess some can use the money to buy the book, or donate to unicef, or help promote justice for Michael. Let your heart be your guide.

Right. During the trial, I found Wagener to be one of the FEW who dared to speak out about Santa Barbara law-enforcement corruption, and quite a few of us found him to be quite credible and sincere. Another who spoke out was Gary Dunlap, a Santa Barbara attorney who was wrongly accused by Sneddon. (Dunlap gave an interview on MJJF radio, that was amazing!) Dunlap had a malicious prosecution lawsuit against Sneddon. . not sure how that one turned out, though? I know of other cases where the DA's office was sued, and settled out of court at tax-payers' expense. I don't know of any malicious prosecution lawsuits that the DA's office actually WON?

The "other side" of the trial has never been fully told, and sometimes it takes a LOT of money to fight corruption. I'm not surprised at TMez's involvement, at all. During the trial, Wagener did a LOT to try to help Michael and that alone, gives him my respect.

 

[Memefan]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

All this time on Frank Cascio and his book...you guys could have contacted sponsors, MSNBC, NBC, Today Show, Channel 4 & Channel 9 countless times.

WE have to put the priority on Murray's mockumentary. We can deal with Cascio later.

 

[Autumn II]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

All this time on Frank Cascio and his book...you guys could have contacted sponsors, MSNBC, NBC, Today Show, Channel 4 & Channel 9 countless times.

WE have to put the priority on Murray's mockumentary. We can deal with Cascio later.

We HAVE, or at least I certainly have . . . ongoing. One does not preclude the other.

Murray's atrocity is WORSE, and Cascio simply needs to. . go away now.

 

[bluetopez]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

I don't think Wagener project is a scam. Especially since T-Mez supports it the way that he does and by signing ties to be sold and raise money for this. And unless people don't know how to multitask I really don't see the problem with anyone speaking about the Cascio interview/book or any other subject on this board while still sending their letters to stop the Murray crap documentary.

Why make it seem like some don't care when that's far from the truth? At the end of the day the subject matters intertwine when it comes to calling MJ an addict and to me that must end if they all can't explain themsleves better. They are all making it worse and they all need to just go away and Murray needs to rot as long as possible in jail! To me it all matters even when some are less serious then others. But, truth be told this all has an negetive effect on MJs Image and all of this has horrible timing. One was before a verdict and the other after. Terrible!

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

PS: I can no longer deal with ish. Back to ignore.

Childish.

I don't like some of your comments, you don't like some of my comments, that's a fact. For my part I've never denied it. But I've never said antything personal against you. So let's not over-dramatize. If I met you tomorrow at a party, I wouldn't ignore you nor assault you with words, I'd simply offer you a drink and socialize. But I know, you don't give a rat's ass. Nevermind.

 

[Justice_MJ]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

I know who he is and what he has done.

If you know everything this man has done, all the fights for justice, for people who were treated unfairly and nobody cares about, how can you say that he's shady and that his documentary is a scam? Obviously you have to know more than we do who "investigated" him and talked to him personally...

He has recently set out a web page and has been soliciting funds for a new documentary , he said he needed millions of dollars for it (4 million if I'm not mistaken) and he said it would be used to bring Sneddon to court.

And I'm telling you for a fact that Sneddon is retired, time to sue for malicious prosecution is long over. So you can donate to him million dollars but most probably it's not gonna result in what he says.

and I can be skeptical if a person is soliciting for something that is not technically, legally and realistically possible. Also your donations are not refundable if the movie is not made and if the movie is made Wagener holds all the rights.



he needs 4 million fans to donate to it and then build the sets and shot it and then buy TV time to air it. So no one has seen his documentary and probably won't see it - for a long time at least.

then you need enough people in CA to see it, to be angered by it, convince people / legal prosecutors of a fraud, wait for a criminal charging / trial to happen and then indict Sneddon. Changes everyone's perceptions about Michael and then be able to collect huge donations for Michael's charities.

and I'm a realistic person as many of you know - believing into fairy tales is not my thing.

let me give you a shortcut - donate directly to charities that Michael supported.

peace out.

ps: as you can see none of my posts were Cascio versus Wagener. Anything and everything about Cascio aside, I do not believe Wagener to be a good option for donation - based only on him.

Again it's not all about bringing Sneddon to court...

if I have to spell it to you : I'm calling it a scam. you cannot see a scam. I'm calling it a ploy/ a false promise to solicit 4 million dollars from innocent fans. it if could have been seen it wouldn't be a scam.

You're calling it a scam based on what? That's a pretty strong word. Do you have any proof?

 

[ginvid]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

Ok. I will step in to say this:

This thread is about Cascio not Wagener. If there has to be ongoing discussion about him, please PM each other or open up a new thread. I think in regards to this man, Ivy was just giving her personal opinion. It should be expected that what anyone says on the boards is based on their opinion. It doesn't mean it has to be held as gospel from any member here.

We should be thankful that members are willing to warn other fans about possible dangers. It is up to you to take that info and make of it what you wish. Ivy told why she thought it was a scam, reading her posts spell it out. You don't have to believe that. Each person has to do their own research and make their own conclusions as to the validity of what a person says.

Please get back on topic. Thanks! :flowers:

 

[ivy]

Re: Frank Cascio to write memoir of his friend Michael Jackson / press release at pg12 / Nov 15 ,201

If you know everything this man has done, all the fights for justice, for people who were treated unfairly and nobody cares about, how can you say that he's shady and that his documentary is a scam? Obviously you have to know more than we do who "investigated" him and talked to him personally...

did you talk to him personally? of just generalizing what Petrarose said for the sake of making a point? You know what don't answer.

Again it's not all about bringing Sneddon to court...

It's a promise given.

You're calling it a scam based on what? That's a pretty strong word. Do you have any proof?

Use your brain.

- He wrote that he tried to find sponsors for his documentary but no one is interested so he needs fans to donate - okay fine.
- He says no one is interested in even showing the documentary so he needs to buy TV air time - that increases the costs but still fine
- He then says the documentary would uncover the fraud that it would allow a lawsuit that goes beyond the statue of limitations and current law against Sneddon that would result his indictment - highly unrealistic

and your spider senses should be tingling now.. no?

if there's something illegal and you have proof of it why do you need to put it into a documentary? why can't you take it to the authorities? I don't know what realm people are living but I can walk to police station and file a complaint and they do not say "do you have a documentary that aired on TV? No? Then we ain't doing anything". If you have evidence, if you have proof of fraud , you do not wait around and hope for 4 million fans donate so that you can build sets and shot a movie and then air it. You take that evidence to the authorities. That's logic 101. That's common sense. It doesn't need to be a "made for TV movie".

The other goal is that this documentary is going to change everyone's minds - uh hello ? weren't you the ones that said a similar claim coming from Cascio was unrealistic? . to me it's Ambitious but okay.

However you still need to ask this question : If no one is interested in showing this documentary and you need to pay from your own pocket to get it aired (buy tv air time), how are you going to get it seen by masses? by magic I guess.

you don't want to call it a scam? fine. is it a harsh word to use? actually I agree. I tried to get across the point that it's not gonna happen, spam could have been a harsh word to define it.

I'll still say it's unrealistic and highly unlikely. and that part of "I can put Sneddon behind bars despite the law with what I have but I'll do it in a documentary way" is disturbing to me. As I said give money to it if you want, I simply believe there a lot better alternatives for donation. and if you can remember it my main point before this got snowballed into a unrelated argument was about "encouraging everyone" and I said to you if you are going to encourage everyone do it for an already established and highly credible charity and not for something might or might not happen, not something the money is not refundable.

And let's end this here. this is not a thread about Wagener. It's about Frank's book. And I'm quite confident that you (generally speaking) can find stuff to say about Franks book (and my posts) without turning this into an issue about Wagener.

So let's go back to topic please. All of us.