Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

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Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

I presume the deposistions are under oath? if so no wonder katherine is stalling. they threw mj under the bus to make themselves look good and now it seems aeg will use their words against them.i wonder what story the jacksons will tell this time.

one part of me wants this case settled as the media will have a field day dragging mj threw the mud and the jacksons have no problem in giving the media all the amo they need in their quest to get money. but then i dont want the jacksons to make a dime off michael either which is what will happen if aeg settle
 
Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Ivy Joe's case was thrown out by the judge.

Do the court papers say anything about Joe now being included in Katherine's case?
 
Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Joe's case was not thrown out, just AEG was removed from Joe's lawsuit. In other words Katherine and MJ's kids are suing AEG and Joe is suing Murray and Applied Pharmacy. And no Joe is not a party to Katherine's lawsuit.


one part of me wants this case settled as the media will have a field day dragging mj threw the mud and the jacksons have no problem in giving the media all the amo they need in their quest to get money. but then i dont want the jacksons to make a dime off michael either which is what will happen if aeg settle

I personally do not expect AEG to settle. I don't think they want to accept any responsibility for Michael's death.
 
Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

There's a motion to compel hearing set for April 24 in Katherine Jackson - AEG lawsuit.

Before trial happens both sides send interrogatories - questions - to the other side to answer and request for documents . AEG is now claiming that Katherine Jackson is not answering their questions and they filed thousands of pages showing all the communications and asking the judge to order Katherine Jackson to answer AEG's questions.

Summary

- April 2011 AEG sends the questions and document requests to Katherine, Prince, Paris and Blanket.
- After delays in November 2011 Katherine and the kids sends all objections to all questions asked. They did not answer any questions or provided any documents to AEG.
- All of the December & January is filled with back and forth communications with Katherine's and AEG's lawyers to find a solution to the requests and not answering. They finally agree on mid-February to answer all the requests with minor modifications.
- Early February Katherine Jackson sends her initial answers but they are all the same answer copy pasted - which is in most instances just a repeat of the complaint.
- Mid- February deadline comes and AEG still does not receive the additional and all required answers and Katherine's lawyers start to ask for indefinite extensions. AEG at that time says they cannot give indefinite extensions because they need to get the answers and prepare for the trial.
- AEG waits for Mid-March but they get no documents or no additional responses.
- AEG says they weren't able to take depositions of the Jackson family members. Katherine was supposed to be deposed at March 1st but she didn't show up for deposition. They also haven't given a new date.

Therefore AEG is asking the judge to order Katherine Jackson to answer the questions and document requests.

From the documents we can see that the documents AEG is asking for includes
- anything about Michael's health
- anything about the doctors
- anything about how success or failure of TII would affect Michael financially
- any documents or communications with Michael's staff - Grace, Karen Faye, Kai Chase and the bodyguards are explicitly named.
- any documents about financial allowances or gifts Michael gave to Katherine and the rest of the Jacksons.[looking forward to the answer]
- any document about Katherine's finances and assets
- all social media, internet accounts, blogs, emails used by Michael, Katherine, Michael's kids and all Jacksons.
- anything about Michael's diet, nutrition or eating disorders
- anything about Michael's financial information as well as actual or potential bankruptcy
- any diary, journal, calendar etc kept by Michael.
- any autopsy reports
- documents about any mental health issues Michael suffered through his lifetime.
- any documents or communications about substance abuse, interventions , rehab
- any documents or communications about if Michael had consideration or propensity to commit suicide.

Questions asked to Katherine include
- Asking Katherine to explain the information she based her claims on
- how Katherine spent time with Michael between 04-09 [great question]
- any communications Katherine had with Michael about his health , addiction, substance abuse, interventions and so on.
- communications with Michael between June 17 and June 24.
- Katherine's impression about Michael's health
- Michael's finances
- any time Katherine saw Michael to take any medicine/ drug and any effects she saw
- any time Katherine saw Michael impaired or under the effects of drugs, alcohol such as slurred speech, bloodshot eyes
- explain any time Michael spent in rehab
- any talks Katherine had with Michael about TII
- explain items, objects, documents taken from Michael's residences by Jacksons.[waiting for the answer]

Questions sent to Prince, Paris and Blanket include
- asking them to identify all people that lived or worked in Carolwood from Jan 09 to June 09
- tell about any instances anyone talking / asking them about Michael's health
- tell about any instances anyone talking / asking them about Michael's addictions or mental health issues
- asking them to tell how they spent time with Michael including activities they did and typical conversations they had
- asking if they talked with Michael about his health and medicines he took
- asking them about their impression of Michael's physical and mental health
- all interactions and communications from June 23 to June 25
- asking about when they first met Murray and asking them to tell when and where they saw Murray over the years.
- asking about all their interactions , communications with Murray
- asking if they witnessed Murray to give Michael medical treatment
- asking if they saw Michael to take any medicine and any effects they witnessed
- asking if they ever saw Michael impaired
- asking about any drugs or alcohol present in Carolwood
- any conversations they had with Michael about TII
- their impression about Michael's physical and mental health
- asking about their interactions with Klein
- asking about any conversations they had about Michael with the Jacksons [interesting...]

Note: These requests for information and documents are done to gather information so that the parties can prepare for the trial. Just because a question is asked doesn't mean it happened or that the person has any knowledge about it.

Sad for the kids....but I too, am curious to know how & who manipulated them after MJ died. I know that part of the lawsuit was thrown out, but at some point, they claimed Prince was traumatized and what not.

After losing their only parent, It must have been easy to manipulate these kids' words to suit Jacksons' own stories.
 
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This will be hard on Michael's kids for sure. :( I'm also not surprised the questions haven't been answered yet. :ph34r:
 
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Grandma bought them into this. And just so we don't forget auntie Latoya continues to use these kids at her whim. Now it is time to answer questions about what you have claimed
 
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... and I hope AEG brings that point up.

Are you seriously saying it's best for AEG to win? Wow, it's quite obvious that the pressure MJ had was at least one of the contributing factor to his sleeping and eating problems in the last months. The treatment he received from AEG and their staff is horrific to say the least, I would never forgive them, especially RP and KO. Michael was supposed to be the one in charge like it always was in his tours, and giving orders not being put down and disrespected, being shouted at, etc.
 
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I am curious since you appear to know what kind of treatment was AEG giving Michael?
 
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The jacksons have let mjs killer get away without paying a dime in compensation and left the door open for him to make millions by slandering mj because of their desire to make as much money as possible in the quickest amount of time in order to fund the family for years if not generations to come. the family as a whole is more important than the individual and michael is being sacrificed yet again to pay for the rest of the jacksons. that is the ultimate betrayal and one of the reasons why i support AEG and hope the jacksons get nothing.as they have no problem claiming things about mj they cannot prove and have spent everyday since june 09 pushing their druggie image in order to help them in this lawsuit. now its come to the point of providing this evidence which infact could help AEG katherine and the family dont want to talk! the facts do not support their claims as the trial showed and most of their claims have already been thrown out.
 
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Are you seriously saying it's best for AEG to win? Wow, it's quite obvious that the pressure MJ had was at least one of the contributing factor to his sleeping and eating problems in the last months. The treatment he received from AEG and their staff is horrific to say the least, I would never forgive them, especially RP and KO. Michael was supposed to be the one in charge like it always was in his tours, and giving orders not being put down and disrespected, being shouted at, etc.

AEG certainly contributed to his stress and might not have genuinely given a d@mn about MJ, similar to Sony with Invincible in '01, but Michael had survived intense pressure and stress before. Just think he had been on trial literally for his life, and had come out of it, definitely beaten down and debilitated but he'd bounced back. He was bouncing back with TII too. Those last two rehearsals were his best. Everybody, even those without any ties to the concert, said he was back on his game, and was taking control. He even said it himself that night. "I can take it from here." (or something similar to that)

The only thing different from his surviving the pressure and sleepless nights this time was Conrad-incompetent-arrogant-should-rot-in-jail-forever Murray.
 
Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

I think that the Jacksons will not know the answers to a lot of those questions!

FACT! :bugeyed :doh: And I really do not know how PPB will be able to answer some of these questions, after all they were so small at that time. :scratch::unsure:






I'm also not surprised the questions haven't been answered yet. :ph34r:


The reality is that unfortunately we will never have any answer to many questions.... :( *big sigh*
 
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They cant answer many questions as that would mean admitting the none excistant relationship they had with him. but then that would contridict all their intervention talk. the family have dug a hole for themselves
 
Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

They cant answer many questions as that would mean admitting the none excistant relationship they had with him. but then that would contridict all their intervention talk. the family have dug a hole for themselves
I agree with you wholeheartedly! And if it weren't so sad, it would be funny.

First of all, since this is a lawsuit brought by Katherine Jackson, you would THINK that she would have no problem answering anything and EVERYTHING the other side asked in order to get HER lawsuit to proceed.

The fact that she continues to stall, is a huge black-eye on her credibility, in my opinion.

From the very start, in my opinion, all the family wanted was a quick CA$H settlement from AEG, but like ivy has said, AEG does not want to go down as being the reason for the death of Michael Jackson.

Like somebody already said, if nothing else, this lawsuit will bring out the "back-door" dealings of the Jackson Family. From the continuous BEGGING for Michael to join the family on stage, to the fact that Michael financially supported many of them and their families throughout the years, to the OTHER fact that although he supported them, he had no direct contact with MANY of them.

The whole "as a family, we are a tight unit" is going to go up in smoke!
 
Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Sadly I believe a big can of worms has been opened. Just hope the family don't regret this now.
 
Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Sadly I believe a big can of worms has been opened. Just hope the family don't regret this now.

In my opinion, they MAY already be regretting it. How the heck are they going to be able to answer those questions, without spilling the REAL truth about Michael having to support them and their families for so many years.

I'm sure none of the brothers in question, Randy and Jermaine (for starters), want folks to know, that it was Michael, who carried the weight when it came to paying their "child support payments." Or how they would call up Mother, to ask her, to ask Michael for this, that, and the other thing.

This lawsuit will just add MORE embarrassment, to an already embarrassing situation, in my opinion.
 
Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

I guess the question is whether they are prepared to lie. and that swhy katherine didnt turn up for the deposistion
 
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I guess the question is whether they are prepared to lie. and that swhy katherine didnt turn up for the deposistion

Lord, I hope that's not the route they decide to take.

They can't even keep their stories together when they are NOT under oath. LOL! I would hate to think what would happen if they were SWORN to tell the truth.
 
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What happens when you lie and you are under oath?
 
Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

Sadly I believe a big can of worms has been opened. Just hope the family don't regret this now.
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Serve them right for selling out Michael for their financial gain. They deserve to be exposed, humiliated and lose just for that.
 
Re: Wrongful death lawsuits

Randy tweeted about it:

  1. This could not have been done without the support of the fans. Were all together in this.Thank you for your continued support and patience. less than a minute ago via web
  2. Please understand its not over, we have a long way to go. There is more to come. We are just getting started. 4 minutes ago via web
  3. What happened to my loving brother should NOT have happened. I really miss him. 8 minutes ago via web
  4. I am doing my best to keep that promise. On this day my family has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against AEG. I am proud of my family. 15 minutes ago via web
  5. Last year I promised that I would not rest until the truth is exposed about what happened to my brothers passing. May he rest in peace. 18 minutes ago via web
  6. I know im quiet, I dont tweet much. 23 minutes ago via web
  7. Today was a good day. 24 minutes ago via web
Randy Jackson's tweets from the day the lawsuit against AEG was filed.

I wonder if he is STILL proud of his family, now that we know that AEG's questions have not been answered, thereby making it a possibility that this lawsuit cannot proceed.

And No. 3, i.e. "There is more to come, we are just getting started." May have sounded like a battle cry, to some, but 2 or so years later, it's just more words with no true meaning, in my opinion.
 
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They can't even keep their stories together when they are NOT under oath. LOL! I would hate to think what would happen if they were SWORN to tell the truth.

Indeed. That's why personally, I cant wait to hear what they have to say. I'm no expert but I dont see how it could be very hard for AEG to crush their comments.
 
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Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

There's a motion to compel hearing set for April 24 in Katherine Jackson - AEG lawsuit.

Before trial happens both sides send interrogatories - questions - to the other side to answer and request for documents . AEG is now claiming that Katherine Jackson is not answering their questions and they filed thousands of pages showing all the communications and asking the judge to order Katherine Jackson to answer AEG's questions.

Summary

- April 2011 AEG sends the questions and document requests to Katherine, Prince, Paris and Blanket.
- After delays in November 2011 Katherine and the kids sends all objections to all questions asked. They did not answer any questions or provided any documents to AEG.
- All of the December & January is filled with back and forth communications with Katherine's and AEG's lawyers to find a solution to the requests and not answering. They finally agree on mid-February to answer all the requests with minor modifications.
- Early February Katherine Jackson sends her initial answers but they are all the same answer copy pasted - which is in most instances just a repeat of the complaint.
- Mid- February deadline comes and AEG still does not receive the additional and all required answers and Katherine's lawyers start to ask for indefinite extensions. AEG at that time says they cannot give indefinite extensions because they need to get the answers and prepare for the trial.
- AEG waits for Mid-March but they get no documents or no additional responses.
- AEG says they weren't able to take depositions of the Jackson family members. Katherine was supposed to be deposed at March 1st but she didn't show up for deposition. They also haven't given a new date.

Therefore AEG is asking the judge to order Katherine Jackson to answer the questions and document requests.

From the documents we can see that the documents AEG is asking for includes
- anything about Michael's health
- anything about the doctors
- anything about how success or failure of TII would affect Michael financially
- any documents or communications with Michael's staff - Grace, Karen Faye, Kai Chase and the bodyguards are explicitly named.
- any documents about financial allowances or gifts Michael gave to Katherine and the rest of the Jacksons.
- any document about Katherine's finances and assets
- all social media, internet accounts, blogs, emails used by Michael, Katherine, Michael's kids and all Jacksons.
- anything about Michael's diet, nutrition or eating disorders
- anything about Michael's financial information as well as actual or potential bankruptcy
- any diary, journal, calendar etc kept by Michael.
- any autopsy reports
- documents about any mental health issues Michael suffered through his lifetime.
- any documents or communications about substance abuse, interventions , rehab
- any documents or communications about if Michael had consideration or propensity to commit suicide.

Questions asked to Katherine include
- Asking Katherine to explain the information she based her claims on
- how Katherine spent time with Michael between 04-09
- any communications Katherine had with Michael about his health , addiction, substance abuse, interventions and so on.
- communications with Michael between June 17 and June 24.
- Katherine's impression about Michael's health
- Michael's finances
- any time Katherine saw Michael to take any medicine/ drug and any effects she saw
- any time Katherine saw Michael impaired or under the effects of drugs, alcohol such as slurred speech, bloodshot eyes
- explain any time Michael spent in rehab
- any talks Katherine had with Michael about TII
- explain items, objects, documents taken from Michael's residences by Jacksons.

Questions sent to Prince, Paris and Blanket include
- asking them to identify all people that lived or worked in Carolwood from Jan 09 to June 09
- tell about any instances anyone talking / asking them about Michael's health
- tell about any instances anyone talking / asking them about Michael's addictions or mental health issues
- asking them to tell how they spent time with Michael including activities they did and typical conversations they had
- asking if they talked with Michael about his health and medicines he took
- asking them about their impression of Michael's physical and mental health
- all interactions and communications from June 23 to June 25
- asking about when they first met Murray and asking them to tell when and where they saw Murray over the years.
- asking about all their interactions , communications with Murray
- asking if they witnessed Murray to give Michael medical treatment
- asking if they saw Michael to take any medicine and any effects they witnessed
- asking if they ever saw Michael impaired
- asking about any drugs or alcohol present in Carolwood
- any conversations they had with Michael about TII
- their impression about Michael's physical and mental health
- asking about their interactions with Klein
- asking about any conversations they had about Michael with the Jacksons

Note: These requests for information and documents are done to gather information so that the parties can prepare for the trial. Just because a question is asked doesn't mean it happened or that the person has any knowledge about it.
thank you Ivy
i'm just reading this with such an anger. i respect KJ i really do. but i can't for the life of me understand how she can put her son and his children through THIS!
 
Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

There is something I agree with Randy Jackson about: "What happened to my loving brother should NOT have happened. I really miss him"
Otherwise it seems we have different opinions,
 
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thank you Ivy
i'm juste reading this with such an anger. i respect KJ i really do. but i can't for the life of me understand how she can put her son and his children through THIS!

Because the families image and need for money as a whole is more important than the individual.
 
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In my opinion, they MAY already be regretting it. How the heck are they going to be able to answer those questions, without spilling the REAL truth about Michael having to support them and their families for so many years.

I'm sure none of the brothers in question, Randy and Jermaine (for starters), want folks to know, that it was Michael, who carried the weight when it came to paying their "child support payments." Or how they would call up Mother, to ask her, to ask Michael for this, that, and the other thing.

This lawsuit will just add MORE embarrassment, to an already embarrassing situation, in my opinion.

If not regretting, I hope they are at least doing some very serious re-considering. After seeing that recent video of Katherine, she seems to be breathing a little too hard in just walking IMO. These last couple of years would take a toll on anyone and it's showing on KJ.

The trial disproved many of their claims in the suit anyway. If by chance a sympathetic jury does rule in Katherine's favor, like its been said AEG does not want to be deemed responsible for MJ's death in any way. AEG will likely appeal and appeal until they can't appeal anymore. Resolution could take years upon years. If AEG does finally have to pay an award, by the time KJ's lawyers get their percentage, PLUS all their expenses which would be enormous by that time, and then the taxes, any award could be miniscule, especially in comparison to what Katherine will eventually be getting from the estate.

If they think they're ever going to get tens of millions with this suit, they're fooling themselves. Neither are they going to uncover some earthshattering relevations about June 25. At this point, it's time for them to get real and re-assess if this suit is going to really help them, MJ's legacy, his children, or Katherine's health.
 
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Katherine wont eventually be getting anything from the estate. She gets her allowance and thats it. thats why the family are pushing this lawsuit as when kathetine dies there will be nothing for the rest of her kids. they will be out on their own. thats why they need $ from this suit inorder for the rest of the family to be supported until they are gone. katherine will no doubt use her share to support the rest of the family. and if that means using mj and the kids then so be it as its all about the family. no doubt some would justify it by blaming mj for not leaving them anything
 
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If not regretting, I hope they are at least doing some very serious re-considering. After seeing that recent video of Katherine, she seems to be breathing a little too hard in just walking IMO. These last couple of years would take a toll on anyone and it's showing on KJ.

The trial disproved many of their claims in the suit anyway. If by chance a sympathetic jury does rule in Katherine's favor, like its been said AEG does not want to be deemed responsible for MJ's death in any way. AEG will likely appeal and appeal until they can't appeal anymore. Resolution could take years upon years. If AEG does finally have to pay an award, by the time KJ's lawyers get their percentage, PLUS all their expenses which would be enormous by that time, and then the taxes, any award could be miniscule, especially in comparison to what Katherine will eventually be getting from the estate.

If they think they're ever going to get tens of millions with this suit, they're fooling themselves. Neither are they going to uncover some earthshattering relevations about June 25. At this point, it's time for them to get real and re-assess if this suit is going to really help them, MJ's legacy, his children, or Katherine's health.

Can you elaborate.
 
Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date set Sept. 10, 2012

That AEG didnt hire murray. that AEG didnt order murray to give drugs to mj or knew what murray was doing
 
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