Michael's mom reported missing /Grandma's Home/TJ appointed Co/Guardian with Katherine

[ScaredOfTheMoon]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

What rights did the PP&B have when Janet, Randy and Austin crashed the gate and and tried to force them onto a waiting plane? Randy said it was "OUR" house although he and his sibs have not put one penny into anything to do with the property or care of their mother and MJ's kids. Hell they can't even support their own kids so if Katherine wants to have the right to allow her grown offspring to bully and terrorize Michael's kids she needs to give up guardianship and move into a place of her own where they will be welcome to kidnap her day or night!

You said it better than I could.

 

[twinklEE]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

she can only wish

she and the jackson stans

 

[Victory22]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

The estate and most fans seem to be the only ones looking out for the children, and maybe tj. This is te best news I've heard all week, except for Juniors statement. :bow:

I am greatly relieved by this news. Thank you MJ Estate. You truly rock and MJ would be so proud you are protecting his children.

 

[marebear]

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To think if they had just let the kids talk to Katherine during the whole time she was gone that none of this would have gone as far as it did. Nothing is more serious then when the courts are involved. Something simple as in using a phone. It's ridiculous and they have only themselves to blame.

 

[jrsfan]

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What rights did the PP&B have when Janet, Randy and Austin crashed the gate and and tried to force them onto a waiting plane? Randy said it was "OUR" house although he and his sibs have not put one penny into anything to do with the property or care of their mother and MJ's kids. Hell they can't even support their own kids so if Katherine wants to have the right to allow her grown offspring to bully and terrorize Michael's kids she needs to give up guardianship and move into a place of her own where they will be welcome to kidnap her day or night!

I did not see anyone forced to do anything in the vid I saw. Randy probably was just using a figure of speech when he said 'our house' & did not mean it belonged to him literally- people do that all the time. I would be interested in the vid that Randy & Janet may have taken- it may show a different side to events. IMO it is ridiculous to think that Rebbie or any of the others kidnapped Katherine or were ever to harm Katherine or the children.

 

[Soundmind]

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well Prince thinks otherwise , you need to understand the kids no longer want them near them and the estate is created to take care of the kids and fulfill their wishes .

 

[CherubimII]

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The estate and most fans seem to be the only ones looking out for the children, and maybe tj. This is te best news I've heard all week, except for Juniors statement. :bow:

Well Said. :bow:

 

[CherubimII]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

What rights did PP&B have when Janet, Randy and Austin crashed the gate and and tried to force them onto a waiting plane? Randy said it was "OUR" house although he and his sibs have not put one penny into anything to do with the property or care of their mother and MJ's kids. Hell they can't even support their own kids so if Katherine wants to have the right to allow her grown offspring to bully and terrorize Michael's kids she needs to give up guardianship and move into a place of her own where they will be welcome to kidnap her day or night!

God must be speaking through you. :bow:

 

[jrsfan]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

well Prince thinks otherwise , you need to understand the kids no longer want them near them and the estate is created to take care of the kids and fulfill their wishes .

Well, that is for them to decide with their Grandmother & TJ, who has temp guardianship. It is not for Weitzman, Branca or McClain to dictate who can come into their home.

 

[Victory22]

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I did not see anyone forced to do anything in the vid I saw. Randy probably was just using a figure of speech when he said 'our house' & did not mean it belonged to him literally- people do that all the time. I would be interested in the vid that Randy & Janet may have taken- it may show a different side to events. IMO it is ridiculous to think that Rebbie or any of the others kidnapped Katherine or were ever to harm Katherine or the children.

I don't care if Rebbie and her gangsta brothers and sisters meant to harm or kidnap Katherine at all. All I care about is making sure PP&B are protected from their violence, greed and vindictiveness. What goes on between Katherine and her spawn is between her and them.

 

[Vici]

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re that letter. I just hope this doesnt hurt Katherines relationship with the Estate. She has been supporting them for a time now and I hope this wont make anything worse now (like she will turn against them). I know they are to blamed for this mess but It must suck for those who are banned that they cant visit their own 82 yr old mama in her home.

 

[marebear]

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Maybe they were asked about. The kids have their own lawyer that had to talk to Katherine's lawyers and the estate lawyers.

 

[MJFan07]

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I don't think it is legal either. I doubt they got permission. I don't think the children could give permission legally anyway, but I am not a lawyer. It is her money unless you want to invalidate the will because it is fake & everything goes to PPB, but at this point legally it is considered valid.

I'm thinking more along the lines that TJ gave the official permission but he discussed it with the kids. I don't know, I'm just thinking someone other than the estate had to have OK'd this. That would seem right to me.

 

[jrsfan]

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she can only wish

Wouldn't you be angry if you were in her position, she is one of the beneficiaries of the will & some estate lawyer was dictating to you who could come into your house & who you could hire/fire as your assistant. I doubt you would put up with that for one minute. I know Michael Jackson wouldn't.

 

[Victory22]

Well, that is for them to decide with their Grandmother & TJ, who has temp guardianship. It is not for Weitzman, Branca or McClain to dictate who can come into their home.

Branca & McClain have a responsibility to protect the children since they are the primary recipients of the Will. Its clear Katherine was unable to do it so I’m pleased the Estate intervened.

 

[CherubimII]

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I don't care if Rebbie and her gangsta brothers and sisters meant to harm or kidnap Katherine at all. All I care about is making sure PP&B are protected from their violence, greed and vindictiveness. What goes on between Katherine and her spawn is between her and them.

THANK YOU!!!!:bow:
This needed to be said.

 

[MJFan07]

Branca & McClain have a responsibility to protect the children since they are the primary recipients of the Will. Its clear Katherine was unable to do it so I’m pleased the Estate intervened.

I think the estate has a financial responsibility to the children but not a say in who they can and can't see in their home. Don't get me wrong, I think they should be blocked from the home, but it should come from a judge or from the kid's guardian, not the estate. And I think it did come from TJ, but that's just a guess.

 

[myosotis]

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It's a house paid for by them. Until Katherine buys it, which I'm not sure how she's going to accomplish already owing $6+ mln. to the estate.

I don't think the Estate would even consider putting this house up for sale unless it was in the best interests of the children to move them elsewhere. They need stability.
If the house is not put up for sale, then no-one would be able to buy it, not even Katherine, even if she had the money.

 

[Soundmind]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Wouldn't you be angry if you were in her position, she is one of the beneficiaries of the will & some estate lawyer was dictating to you who could come into your house & who you could hire/fire as your assistant. I doubt you would put up with that for one minute. I know Michael Jackson wouldn't.

if I were her I would not be stealing from young kids and support my grown ass children . if I were her I won't go for 11 days without calling my fatherless grandchildren . if I were her I would not associate my grandchildren with a porn producer for the sake of money especially when I know they have millions and don't need to go that route . Mike would not put up with any of that

 

[jrsfan]

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I think the estate has a financial responsibility to the children but not a say in who they can and can't see in their home. Don't get me wrong, I think they should be blocked from the home, but it should come from a judge or from the kid's guardian, not the estate. And I think it did come from TJ, but that's just a guess.

I agree, it should not come from the estate. If it came from TJ, I am sure it would have said so.

 

[TheChosenOne]

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jrsfan - question: if John Branca had been given guardianship of Michael's three children and had left them for 11 days without contacting them, what would your response be?

 

[jrsfan]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

if I were her I would not be stealing from young kids and support my grown ass children . if I were her I won't go for 11 days without calling my fatherless grandchildren . if I were her I would not associate my grandchildren with a porn producer for the sake of money especially when I know they have millions and don't need to go that route . Mike would not put up with any of that

This is not the argument - you must know you would not accept anyone dictating who you allowed into your home.

As far as I know Katherine is not stealing from PPB- I know she would not do that. As far as not calling, seems to be a misunderstanding that has gotten out of hand.

Mike would not like the fact that Branca, Weitzman & McClain are the actual primary beneficiaries of his will. You know they are taking all they can. If Mike knew he worked his ass off for Branca's & his heirs benefit, he'd be turning in his grave.

 

[Petrarose]

Janet Jackson, Others Family Members Barred from Mom’s California Home
MJNA STAFF JULY 29, 2012

(Roland Martin Reports) - The executors of Michael Jackson’s estate have barred a number of the late singer’s siblings, including Janet Jackson, from the California home where their mother, Katherine, is raising the late singers three children.

The details of who is and isn’t allowed onto the Calabas, California is detailed in an email obtained by CNN’s Roland S. Martin.

Howard Weitzman, who represents John McClain and John Branca, sent the email Wednesday to Charles Schultz, an attorney for Mrs. Jackson.

Weitzman writes that after the drama over the last two weeks, which including allegations that Katherine Jackson had gone missing for 10 days and was unable to reach Paris, Prince and Blanket Jackson, which led to her having to share guardianship of the children with another grandchild, TJ Jackson, it is necessary to bar certain family and friends from the property.

“Given the circumstances of the last two weeks, and in order to protect the children and Mrs. Jackson, the Executors believe that it would not be appropriate to allow the following individuals to enter the residence or its grounds and we instruct the security to preclude the following from entering the residence or the grounds: Randy Jackson and any of his children, Janet Jackson, Rebbie Jackson and any of her children, Jermaine Jackson, his wife and any of his children, Janice Smith, or anyone else who was involved in the recent events that led to Mrs. Jackson’s separation from and inability to communicate with Michael’s children, or any agents or representatives of any of these individuals,” Weitzman wrote.

“There will be no other security or drivers allowed on the property except those employed by the Estate of Michael Jackson. Joe Jackson is precluded from entering the property. Howard Mann who is in litigation against the Estate and is working with the Jackson siblings that wrote the “letter” should also not be allowed on the premises.”

The “letter” Weitzman is referring to is the one signed by Randy, Janet, Jermaine, Rebbie and Tito Jackson, alleging that the 2002 will authorizing Branca and McClain to be the executors of estate is fraudulent. Tito later apologized for signing the letter.

“Of course, Paris, Prince and Blanket, T.J. and his brothers, Tito, Marlon, Jackie and their spouses, current security (hired by the Estate), staff (per T.J.), Meg Lodise, Michael Kane, Sandra Ribera, Parry Sanders, Trent Jackson, you (Charles Shultz) and anyone else authorized by T.J. (other than the Excluded Individuals listed above), may enter and remain on the premises,” Weitzman wrote.

Weitzman’s email does not mention Michael’s sister, LaToya, and whether she can visit the property. She has publicly called on her family to stop the infighting.

According to a Jackson family source, the estate is allowed to make such demands because it pays the monthly lease payment on the Calabas home. Katherine Jackson controls the $70,000 monthly stipend the estate allocates to each Jackson child – a total of $210,000 – any way she sees fit, including school costs and other expenses.

Katherine Jackson is currently in the process of trying to purchase the home so the estate won’t be able to dictate such terms, the source said.

Weitzman writes that if law enforcement needs to be made of the letter, Schultz, T.J. Jackson or anyone else is authorized to show it to them.

“It is imperative to the Estate that from this point forward a safe and appropriate environment be provided for Michael Jackson’s children and his mother as well,” Weitzman wrote.

http://www.mjjunderground.com/2012/...ily-members-barred-from-moms-california-home/

YAY the estate has spoken!!!!!!! This was the letter that Randy spoke about when he said the estate barred them from their home. I am so glad they included the signers offspring also, so no cousins their either. YES. No Rebbie, Janet, Austin, Jermaine. Tito is lucky. Even crazy Latoya is welcome and not Janet.

Katherine is thinking of buying the home a source said? Here is what will happen. She will ask the estate for a loan to pay for this purchase, because we all know she has no independent income. Basically Michael's money would be used to buy a home, so that his siblings and their children can go to the home his money paid for, and cause Michael's children distress.

 

[mynameiscande1]

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I agree, it should not come from the estate. If it came from TJ, I am sure it would have said so.

I find your comments about the Estate interesting Jrsfan.

Given that when Mrs Jackson wanted Alexandra out of her house Jermaine and Randy stood back and left the matter to the Estate to deal with

It seems the family are prepared to allow the Estate to do it's dirty work when it suits them.

 

[Victory22]

I think the estate has a financial responsibility to the children but not a say in who they can and can't see in their home. Don't get me wrong, I think they should be blocked from the home, but it should come from a judge or from the kid's guardian, not the estate. And I think it did come from TJ, but that's just a guess.

I believe the Estate is legally charged to step in if they feel the minor beneficiaries are in danger. Maybe someone with legal expertise can correct me if I’m wrong.

 

[ivy]

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Mike would not like the fact that Branca, Weitzman & McClain are the actual primary beneficiaries of his will. You know they are taking all they can. If Mike knew he worked his ass off for Branca's & his heirs benefit, he'd be turning in his grave.

Well don't worry about it because it's false

1. In the long term Executors get paid 10% , 90% is put aside for Katherine and Mj's kids

2. In the short term second accounting shows that Executors were paid $8.1 M total ($4.05 M each) and Katherine and MJ's kids were paid $11.8 Million.

so however you roll the dice, Katherine and MJ's kids get more money than the Executors

 

[mynameiscande1]

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This is not the argument - you must know you would not accept anyone dictating who you allowed into your home.

As far as I know Katherine is not stealing from PPB- I know she would not do that. As far as not calling, seems to be a misunderstanding that has gotten out of hand.

Mike would not like the fact that Branca, Weitzman & McClain are the actual primary beneficiaries of his will. You know they are taking all they can. If Mike knew he worked his ass off for Branca's & his heirs benefit, he'd be turning in his grave.

This misunderstanding, as you put it, nearly cost Mrs Jackson the custody of Prince, Paris and Blanket.

Did you not hear Judge Beckloff say Mrs Jackson was prevented from carrying out her guardianship duties due to the actions of "third parties".

It might be deemed necessary to keep certain people away so that Mrs Jackson can regain custody.

 

[Memefan]

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Well, that is for them to decide with their Grandmother & TJ, who has temp guardianship. It is not for Weitzman, Branca or McClain to dictate who can come into their home.

Well, last week, Paris unfollowed several of these cousins on Twitter.

So I would assume when the letter was written (after JJ&R tried to kidnap the children and before Katherine Jackson was returned) the estate consulted with TJ & the kids to see how best to protect them. The kids seem to be consulted whenever there are important decision affecting them, so I am led to believe the same took place about the letter.

Wouldn't you be angry if you were in her position, she is one of the beneficiaries of the will & some estate lawyer was dictating to you who could come into your house & who you could hire/fire as your assistant. I doubt you would put up with that for one minute. I know Michael Jackson wouldn't.

No one is preventing Katherine from seeing her children. These grown folks aren't homeless..so Katherine can visit them in their own home, anytime she feels like it. But for the protection of the kids & Katherine on ESTATE'S property, they need to stay away.

The estate owns the house therefore could be held liable for things happening on the ground.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

From reading the posts here it seems many did not understand what happened last week. The estate of Michael Jackson is in probate. Branca and co are the exec. They have a legal right to ensure that the heirs are safe. That includes Katherine and Michael children. Next. Some are thinking that the money is Katherine's. NO. As per the will, Katherine cannot go and take money out when she feels like it. She gets an allowance and any additional funds she wants the exec will look into it. That is how the will works. That is their job, because when she dies, everything goes to Michael's children. Not even the children can go and take money out and say it is ours at this time.

Since the exec have to take care of the heirs, they rent a home for them. The home is not Katherine's. Even if Katherine owned the home and the exec saw that Katherine's children were putting the heirs' lives in danger, they would tell her either you ask your children not to come there or we will have to remove the children to another property. It is legal. Those who say it is not do not understand.

Here is a real example. I am a mandated reporter. I do therapy with children. One day a sibling in the home reported her step dad sexually abused her. The police, child protective services, sex police came to the home at 3am. The step dad was given 2 choices. 1 Either he removed himself from the home until the investigation and court case was over, or 2) All children under 18 in that home would be removed. The mom told the dad to leave so the children could stay in the home, and the dad had to leave that home in the early morning hours. Likewise, Branca and co are saying You guys cannot come into the home because it is our legal right to keep the heirs safe, and your actions placed the children in danger. Further, they want to take the children's inheritance away from them. If Branca and co did nothing, then they could be held liable for damages the children incurred. Exec have to protect the heirs.

 

[gerryevans]

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Janet, Jermaine and Randy tried to take the kids out of the state. They are not their guardians and now the judge won't let them leave california without court order. The children's safety and well being comes first. Katherine can visit them at their homes. None of them own the house, the estate does. This wouldn't be happening if they didn't separate the kids and Katherine in the first place. They can't just waltz in and take the kids away whenever they feel like it.

The "it's the estate's house" as opposed to Michael's beneficiaries' is bothersome IMO. I always thought the estate was working for the benefit of those Michael designated, not that they actually owned something like the house they lived in. Power games are developing here that can only be detrimental in the long run.

I HATE HATE Jermaine, etc. started all this junk. The children seemed very happy before their commando tactics last week. I totally agree barring is warranted for now, but hope everything gets reconciled. If it's ongong, it'll just breed hostility and more division, and Michael's children have been through enough.