Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

[ivy]

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Radar Online story has nothing new for us. The AEG motion clearly states that 36 pages by given by Murray at Joe Jackson's civil lawsuit and the same documents were given to the lawyers in this case. It also states that it's not subject to protective order. As far as the Murray documents go Joe Jackson, Brian Oxman, his wife, AEG, Katherine Jackson and her lawyers can all be sources. As there wasn't a protective order about them they are a non issue.

Similarly Ortega produced the same set of documents at multiple cases - criminal and Lloyds as well. So that cannot be pinpointed to a certain source either. Same goes for the news articles which can come from any where.

AEG clearly writes this. The issue is the 2008 emails in PDF / TIFF format produced only to Katherine Jackson and her lawyers. They cannot explain that. Just yesterday Lloyd's lawyer said they didn't have those emails and first time they saw them was at the news article. Also public or the fans didn't have those emails.

This leak is not surprising when you think about the past events. After Murray sentencing hearing (reading a statement written by Randy Jackson) KJ's lawyer Boyle complained about the productive order request. They wanted everything to be out open to the public. AEG and KJ's lawyers agreed - disagreed multiple time about the protective order. It's obvious that they wanted to play this on the public arena.

Siblings letter addressed to the Executors also showed their unhappiness. By that their depositions - which they failed to mark as confidential - were being partially added to the motions and we were reporting and discussing them. The siblings letter , their attempt to object to Taunya Zilkie's deposition and so on, all show that they weren't happy about those.

So this is nothing more than trying to hurt AEG the same way AEG attacked them. They also nicely timed it to take attention away from Bad 25.

I think they decided to blame Lloyds - thinking that Lloyds had the same documents- , to their luck Lloyds discovery had only started in June and they didn't have the documents. When AEG filed the sanctions motion and asked for the document not to be allowed to be used , they needed a fall guy. Enters Mann. It's obvious that Mann was the errand boy here. The businessman with the shady past was doing their bidding, contacting media and Lloyds and so on. He took the blame and said he got it from various sources to stop Katherine being blamed , deposed and not being allowed to use the documents.

I think they are realizing that they don't have much of a case and they are trying to fight this in public arena rather than in a court of law. This could be a tactic to scare AEG into settlement.

 

[ivy]

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Some information :

Estate's only involvement in AEG - Jackson lawsuit is in regard to Michael's medical records. Estate as the representative of Michael claimed patient - doctor privilege and was against giving Michael's medical records. Judge ruled against MJ Estate and said Michael's medical records will be a part of discovery. Estate then pushed for a protective order in regards to Michael's medical records. Now the doctors send Michael's medical records to MJ Estate, MJ Estate goes over them, redacts any personal and irrelevant information and then marks them confidential and sends it to parties.

That's all the Estate does. The siblings letter accusations was false. MJ Estate didn't do anything to protect AEG or those emails, they are just protecting Michael's medical history.

Note: Also I wanted to add that MJ Estate is not receiving any discovery or a party to any discovery. They are just getting and moderating Michael's medical records.

Can somebody explain to me this insurance thingy?
I thought this Lloyds case is about the insurance AEG took in case Michael cannot pull off the TII.
"The insurance policy was taken out to cover the cancellation or postponement of the London concerts in the case of the death, accident or illness of Michael."

As I understand it, Lloyds sued AEG and refused to pay 17,5 million to AEG.
What I fail to understand what estate got to do with this Lloyds/AEG case?
If somebody could be so kind and explain, please include links for source.

Ps, I know executors collected 3 million life insurance for kids.

Yes Lloyds insurance is a "cancellation policy", they had an insurance for $17.5 Million for the first 13 concerts or so. After Michael died AEG asked them to pay it, Lloyds filed the lawsuit just asking for the insurance policy to be voided and not to pay it.

MJ Estate again got involved in regards to Michael's medical records and to protect them. Also at one point Lloyds claimed that AEG transferred the policy to MJ Estate which was against to the policy rules. MJ Estate became a cross-complaint defendant in that lawsuit as they are the "Michael Jackson Company" which was the co-insured on the policy.

 

[marebear]

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I don't think AEG will settle anything. This just made them more mad and will want to make sure they get nothing. They are not going to sabotage Bad 25. They do this everytime something good is happening. Everytime.

 

[Severus Snape]

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@PetraRose: Yes, it's highly unlikely that fans would be the source of this leaked info. What privileges could they possibly have that puts them above any other possible (and more plausible) source? You're also correct in that, without something like a subpoena, we should take whatever Mann says with a grain of salt. We know he's deceptive. We know the Jacksons are deceptive, especially by hiding behind KJ, who is a more than willing host to these parasite "cubs."

Still, I wouldn't put it outside the realm of possibility that either the source or someone connected to it has ties leading back to Murray's either former or current defence team. In the uncharacteristically wise words of the defence's very own Flanny, "you never know."

As for the recently pitched incentive of getting back at the kids, I highly doubt that was a leading motivation. I'd place it as collateral, or perhaps as some sort of secondary intention. The kids may have put the family business in a well-deserved negative spotlight, but at the end of the day what the Jacksons via KJ are looking to suck dry this time is AEG. They've been wanting this for a long time, at the cost of relieving Murray of the due burden of having to pay restitution to the kids, and of course parading around the grand media circus with numerous stories about supposed planned interventions, visits, concerns, etc. They have shown in the past they're more than willing to damage Michael's reputation if it means gaining any sort of credibility, and they play the only favourable card they really have: family. Most people associate family with love, etc. and would not think they would be capable of much, if any, wrongdoing... so the Jacksons really tried to market that Stepford brand illusion to cover their tracks and gain the general public's trust.

Of course, PPB lifted this veil of illusions they've worked so hard to create, revealing the true colours of more than just a few Jacksons, even unlikely perpetrators like Janet, the most successful Jackson after Michael. So, it wouldn't surprise me that this has made them feel dangerously exposed. I would think, however, that the punishments administered would be something along the lines of taking cell phone/computer privileges away, or just general coldness. I would honestly think it'd be coincidental. The Jacksons aren't very smart, and they always look for the most immediate reward, or the juiciest reward (which they of course never get), so I would find it unlikely that they'd ponder on the kids too much, especially when KJ already has them. I'd think this would play a very small role, if any, in their motivation for this.

I don't know why, but I suddenly remembered Murray's offer to talk to KJ regarding that night and the events surrounding it. It's possible that opened the door to some interaction between the defence team and perhaps an intermediary if either they or KJ lawyers were unwilling or unable to directly involve themselves. It seems unlikely, but honestly... stories like this only get weirder and weirder as time goes along.

To quote both Chernoff and the Jacksons in an astonishingly out of character display of coherence, perhaps "all will be revealed soon." I'm sure there's more to come, and that we haven't heard the last regarding this. It is possible we've heard the worst, but not the last.

 

[marebear]

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Michael's legacy will survive this. They can't hide behind or be protected by Katherine forever.

 

[ilmjj]

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Ivy, do you think this tactic will scare AEG? Personally I don't. I think the Jackson's have only awakened a sleeping giant (AEG) and they are angry. They see the Jacksons for what they are. This has absolutely nothing to do with getting justice for Michael but getting money for the cubs.

 

[Severus Snape]

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Ivy, do you think this tactic will scare AEG? Personally I don't. I think the Jackson's have only awakened a sleeping giant (AEG) and they are angry. They see the Jacksons for what they are. This has absolutely nothing to do with getting justice for Michael but getting money for the cubs.

I'm not really sure what kind of delusional state allows the Jacksons to think they stand even the sliver of a chance against AEG, especially with the mountains of evidence piled up over the years depicting them as less than good faith in their dealings with anything regarding Michael. They had a bigger chance of gaining something by pursuing restitution with Murray, but they let that one go because they know he's up to his eyeballs in debt as well and has no means to pay them anything at present, or anytime soon. Thus, AEG seems like the more appealing target. But, honestly, there's no way in Hell they're going to win that battle. AEG was revealed to be almost as bad as anyone else involved with the way they pressured Michael, and the situations they placed him in to try and corner him knowing full well he hadn't toured for almost a decade and wasn't particularly fond of touring to begin with. Although he was fit and healthy, arguably a better dancer than the backups half his age, touring doesn't just take a toll on your physical performance. It's mentally exhausting, and more often than not a complete change in a person's established routine [which most people like to stick to]. Additionally, now he has his three young kids to worry about, which adds more stress. So that would take a toll on him in one way or another, which could explain the anxiety and compulsive behaviour Ortega reported--not sure about the paranoia, can't really say anything if we don't quite know what it was in regards to. It could have been a legitimate fear, paranoia sprung forth from a plausible [and, in the mind of the anaylsand, inflated] threat, or simple paranoia for no comprehensible reason to anyone aside from the analysand.

In conclusion: AEG is not going to sit there and let them do this. They're playing wtih fire and their greed has compelled them to bite off more than it can chew. Even if AEG comes out not looking as spotless as before, the party with the worst reputation and the most to lose would definitely be the Jackson family. Whether others will come out of the woodwork and be affected by,or play a part in, these events remains yet to be seen.

 

[TheChosenOne]

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I agree that Michael's legacy will survive this. It has survived that actor claiming Michael gave him and used cocaine. It survived the trial of Murray. It will survive this. This too shall pass. Besides those emails just confirmed what some were thinking - that was not ready to do the concerts. (Not looking to start a conversation about that, I'm just saying).

The man, his legacy is unbreakable.

 

[Annita]

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Alan Duke?@AlanDukeCNN

Conrad Murray lawyer deny to me they ever had AEG e-mails leak to reporter


Alan Duke?@AlanDukeCNN

On CNN International with Richard Quest soon talking about AEG and Michael Jackson.

 

[ivy]

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Ivy, do you think this tactic will scare AEG? Personally I don't. I think the Jackson's have only awakened a sleeping giant (AEG) and they are angry. They see the Jacksons for what they are. This has absolutely nothing to do with getting justice for Michael but getting money for the cubs.

I don't think so. From the start when I was reading the documents I believed that AEG was gonna fight this tooth and nail. If they had any intention to settle they would have done it from the start to make it go away as soon as and as quietly as possible . Now this much into the trial I think AEG has no intention of being kept responsible for Michael's death and pay millions because of it. They aren't going to spare Michael, his kids or his mother Katherine in their attempt to defend themselves. It's going to be a big bad and dirty battle.

I'm gonna quote Jen Heger - Radar Online's editor here

Jen Hutton Heger
The sad thing in all of this in my opinion is that Mr. Jackson's three children are going to have to endure another round of very negative publicity about their father because of Katherine Jackson's lawsuit against AEG. Judge Michael Pastor didn't allow 90% of evidence Dr. Conrad Murray's defense team had about Mr. Jackson's health in the weeks leading up to his death because he felt that it was going to be putting the victim on trial. Civil courts are much more liberal in this sense, and I'm told that the AEG e-mails that were released to the LA Times regarding Mr. Jackson's health aren't as damaging and shocking as what will be presented at trial. AEG is going to mount a vigorous defense and this will include correspondence that will make international headlines. It's absolutely unfair for Mr. Jackson's children to go through this yet again. Just my thoughts.

My addition is this :

I think these leaked emails have clearly demonstrated that AEG is a ruthless and profit seeking company, it also showed us that Michael wasn't necessarily mentally ready for the concerts. Those and more similar stuff would come into play during the trial.

However AEG is going to refuse that they knew Michael's drug problems, hired Murray and dictated his medical care. They would fight this by going back to 1984 and demonstrating any and all drug problems Michael had his life. Editor of Radar is right, Pastor did not allow any of it, he limited to last 6 months and he didn't even allow unrelated drugs / doctors. In this trial we will get decades of negative history and drug addiction claims. Also expect to hear a lot of bankruptcy and financial problems in regards to damages determination.

 

[passy001]

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no doubt, not because she is preventing them for reveling anything ,actually now they r still somehow managing to get the money she's stealing fom the kids allownace but once she dies, they would be left with nothing and would go to the tabloids with wild accusations and stories against MJ.

I disagree. I hate to say this but once she dies, things will be far better for MJ legacy. her children won't have anymore leverage against the Estate. and the Estate will no longer have to deal with all the wasteful issues created by KJ.

 

[ivy]

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I disagree. I hate to say this but once she dies, things will be far better for MJ legacy. her children won't have anymore leverage against the Estate. and the Estate will no longer have to deal with all the wasteful issues created by KJ.

MJ's kids will still be a leverage against MJ Estate. I guess the future would depend on TJ's position and how easily or not he could be influenced by the rest. As well as MJ's kids position when they turn 18.

 

[passy001]

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MJ's kids will still be a leverage against MJ Estate. I guess the future would depend on TJ's position and how easily or not he could be influenced by the rest. As well as MJ's kids position when they turn 18.

I honestly believe that when the kids turn 18 or older, the Estate will begin to build a relationship with them, educate them about the scope, significance, and magnitude of MJ legacy. and even get them involved in some projects like the commemoration of MJ death every 5 years. but since they are minors and under the care of KJ who seems somewhat hostile, belligerent, and at the mercy of her children, the Estate has wisely kept its distance for now.

 

[Soundmind]

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I honestly believe that when the kids turn 18 or older, the Estate will begin to build a relationship with them, educate them about the scope, significance, and magnitude of MJ legacy. and even get them involved in some projects like the commemoration of MJ death every 5 years. but since they are minors and under the care of KJ who seems somewhat hostile, belligerent, and at the mercy of her children, the Estate has wisely kept its distance for now.

I was not talking about their influence on the kids, I meant the stories attacking MJ would become wilder and wilder because that's going to be their only means of living

 

[Bubs]

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I honestly believe that when the kids turn 18 or older, the Estate will begin to build a relationship with them, educate them about the scope, significance, and magnitude of MJ legacy. and even get them involved in some projects like the commemoration of MJ death every 5 years. but since they are minors and under the care of KJ who seems somewhat hostile, belligerent, and at the mercy of her children, the Estate has wisely kept its distance for now.

It would be lovely if kids gets involved with the estate projects and work along executors once they are old enough.


If somebody is going to watch that CNN program, please post a little summary what they said.

 

[ilmjj]

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I was not talking about their influence on the kids, I meant the stories attacking MJ would become wilder and wilder because that's going to be their only means of living

If you are saying what I think you are then PP&B should run as fast as they can away from this family. If they were to sell stories about there own brother/uncle just for $$ then they will have proven themselves to be as dysfunctional as we have long suspected. There can be no doubt that Michael knew what they were capable of. Poor Michael...

As much as I dislike AEG I dislike the Jacksons more. For the love of money they will let this poor man be dragged through the mud when he isn't here to defend himself. This intensely private man is going to have his personal affairs broadcast all over the world and his family could prevent it with a phone call:angry:

 

[shelly_webster]

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I don't think so. From the start when I was reading the documents I believed that AEG was gonna fight this tooth and nail. If they had any intention to settle they would have done it from the start to make it go away as soon as and as quietly as possible . Now this much into the trial I think AEG has no intention of being kept responsible for Michael's death and pay millions because of it. They aren't going to spare Michael, his kids or his mother Katherine in their attempt to defend themselves. It's going to be a big bad and dirty battle.

I'm gonna quote Jen Heger - Radar Online's editor here



My addition is this :

I think these leaked emails have clearly demonstrated that AEG is a ruthless and profit seeking company, it also showed us that Michael wasn't necessarily mentally ready for the concerts. Those and more similar stuff would come into play during the trial.

However AEG is going to refuse that they knew Michael's drug problems, hired Murray and dictated his medical care. They would fight this by going back to 1984 and demonstrating any and all drug problems Michael had his life. Editor of Radar is right, Pastor did not allow any of it, he limited to last 6 months and he didn't even allow unrelated drugs / doctors. In this trial we will get decades of negative history and drug addiction claims. Also expect to hear a lot of bankruptcy and financial problems in regards to damages determination.

I don't know for the emails, it's Howard Mann who told her that.
I do believe the rest of what you said.

 

[Petrarose]

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No way will AEG settle. Their initial depositions were tough and showed they were going to show that Michael took care of all the siblings and that Michael knew about drugs before 09. They are going to hint that since the siblings leaned on Michael financially, now that he is gone, the family is looking for another source to bleed dry--enter the AEG lawsuit. They are right because the family has no proof that AEG dictated that Michael get prof.

Of course Mann did not get the emails from Muarry's lawyers. Let's see; he named fans and muarry's team. I want to see who he will add to the list now that Muarry's lawyer said he did not get emails from them. What is going to nail him is the fact that the emails are in that particular format that AEG gave only to those with interest in the case. I want to see how he is going to explain that. I hope they question Katherine also to find out who she relays all her case information to. They are all hiding behind Mann. Look at who they placed their faith in.

Snape I remember the day of the verdict that there was some comments that Katherine's lawyers wanted to meet with Muarry's team about some information. However, I doubt that was the e-mails AEG is talking about. Most likely they wanted to have some of the information about AEG and wanted to know how sick Michael was so they could stress that AEG caused Michael's death.

Did anyone remember that Muarry said Randy(?) from AEG said that even the toilet Michael wipe with was paid for by him and that Michael had X amount of bodyguards, and the way he said it was as though Michael did not need that. At the time I was thinking that Muarry made this up, but here we have an e-mail that states that Muarry is OK and he was checked out. Now if someone from AEG liked Muarry, it could be that such comments about Michael could have been made, especially if they felt that Michael was not performing as he should and was lazy.

 

[jamba]

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I'm not really sure what kind of delusional state allows the Jacksons to think they stand even the sliver of a chance against AEG, especially with the mountains of evidence piled up over the years depicting them as less than good faith in their dealings with anything regarding Michael. They had a bigger chance of gaining something by pursuing restitution with Murray, but they let that one go because they know he's up to his eyeballs in debt as well and has no means to pay them anything at present, or anytime soon. Thus, AEG seems like the more appealing target. But, honestly, there's no way in Hell they're going to win that battle. AEG was revealed to be almost as bad as anyone else involved with the way they pressured Michael, and the situations they placed him in to try and corner him knowing full well he hadn't toured for almost a decade and wasn't particularly fond of touring to begin with. Although he was fit and healthy, arguably a better dancer than the backups half his age, touring doesn't just take a toll on your physical performance. It's mentally exhausting, and more often than not a complete change in a person's established routine [which most people like to stick to]. Additionally, now he has his three young kids to worry about, which adds more stress. So that would take a toll on him in one way or another, which could explain the anxiety and compulsive behaviour Ortega reported--not sure about the paranoia, can't really say anything if we don't quite know what it was in regards to. It could have been a legitimate fear, paranoia sprung forth from a plausible [and, in the mind of the anaylsand, inflated] threat, or simple paranoia for no comprehensible reason to anyone aside from the analysand.

In conclusion: AEG is not going to sit there and let them do this. They're playing wtih fire and their greed has compelled them to bite off more than it can chew. Even if AEG comes out not looking as spotless as before, the party with the worst reputation and the most to lose would definitely be the Jackson family. Whether others will come out of the woodwork and be affected by,or play a part in, these events remains yet to be seen.

Yes, Severus, but what about the jury? AEG has to convince the jury not to find for wrongful death, and the Jacksons will play the Stepford family theme (thanks--I like the reference to the Stepford Wives), and also the pitiful, traumatized mother, children, etc theme. So there are big emotional, heartstrings to be played that may sway the jury.

 

[marebear]

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How bad are these other emails? How much is Michael going to be humiliated? I just wish Katherine would drop this and someome would protect Michael's privacy. Nobody is thinking about the kids at all.

 

[Ashtanga]

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:wacko: :no:




I'm so sorry for Michael when I think of all the things he had to go through and endure. *big sigh* The man was so strong and I hope PPB have inherited that same force of Michael to face some people along the way. May God take care of PPB. ray:

 

[pug]

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Yes, Severus, but what about the jury? AEG has to convince the jury not to find for wrongful death, and the Jacksons will play the Stepford family theme (thanks--I like the reference to the Stepford Wives), and also the pitiful, traumatized mother, children, etc theme. So there are big emotional, heartstrings to be played that may sway the jury.

That's why the AEG depositions are going to be brutal. They will tear that facade of the close loving family to pieces. They will show that the family was presuring Michael to do family shows with a different promotor simultaneously while doing the TII run. They will show that the family kept insisting on being included in some of the TII shows even though staging had not been prepared for it. They will show how various members of the family were depending on Michael financially. They will reveal how broke and indebted some family members were and that was why Michael agreed to up the anty from 10 shows to 50. They will show that Michael's financial situation could have been controlled if he only had his finances to concern himself with, but they were almost unattainable when combined with his family members needs. We are talking about siblings, nieces, nephews, ex-sister in-laws, various lawsuits and scams the family were financially liable for. He couldn't ignore their demands, his mother saw to that. When he stopped bailing Marlon, it appears Marlon stopped having anything to do with him. That was okay though, because it appears Marlon learned to stand on his own two feet. Let them get before a jury. It will turn the jury off to see two brothers with the same baby's Mama. Let's see who much the Jackson Family will enjoy this spotlight.

 

[shelly_webster]

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They brought it on themselves. We will probably have a better understanding of what happened in July. By the way, on twitter Duke said they will talk about AEG & the Jacksons on CNN, did someone watch it?

 

[soulmum]

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I agree that the Jacksons brought this on themselves but who is the ultimate whipping boy? Michael sadly.

 

[Petrarose]

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Pug I agree ^^. AEG will not let them play the grieving mother/family that lost a family member due to the bad AEG. AEG will begin that trial with force and state what they intend to prove, i.e., that the family depended on Michael financially and had the opportunity to get money from Michael's real killer, but knowing that person had no money, they decided to shake down AEG with an allegation, which they have no evidence to back up.

AEG may even bring in the last family fiasco to show that family members took their mother away so they could get control of Michael's money, proving that this is not a grieving close family. They could show how weeks after Michael died, Katherine was in business with a fraudster to defraud Michael's estate, to dispel the grieving mother angle. They have much ammunition from the deposition and families' various stories in the press. We all remember that they were questioning them about the many interventions that they heard them talking about. With the intervention information, AEG will show that Michael knew about drugs long before 09. The family forgot that when they are involved in a case, they have to be very quiet. Remember Joe was claiming Michael took care of him so he could get some money from the estate, and then went to another country and said Michael did not take care of him? That family do not understand the power of the spoken and written word, especially in today's world.

Additionally, in a court trial, the judge gives the jury instructions. Even though some may feel sorry for the family, the instructions will be along the lines of finding AEG guilty if there is evidence that AEG ordered Muarry to prescribe prof to Michael, that they knew Michael was being treated with it, and that Muarry's job was to give Michael prof and he was hired by AEG to do so.

We all know that documents show that Michael knew Muarry, had used him before, requested Muarry for the show, but AEG and Michael did not sign the contract by the time of death. Since, they were only a few days from going to London, and Muarry did not have his working papers yet, and the contract was not signed, AEG could make a case that they were never going to hire Muarry. From the Muarry trial we learned that Muarry said Michael was OK. We heard him saying this to the insurance man and to Ortega and co. In fact, he told Ortega off, telling him in layman's terms--you handle your business and I will do the doctoring.

From the emails I think the family would have stood a better chance if they claimed that AEG's behavior caused Michael much emotional and psychological harm which put a great burden on him physically and emotionally, and with Muarry's doctoring plus AEG's behavior Michael became disorientated, stressed, lost weight, and that his physical, emotional, and psychological condition at the end of his life was a direct result of both Muarry's doctoring and AEG's verbal abuse and their constant threat to take control of his assets if he was unable to perform. Then the family could have had both Muarry and AEG liable--Muarry for the death and AEG for extenuating circumstances. They could have brought in some expert witnesses dealing with emotional/psychological behaviors caused by stress; people to testify that Michael knew about Randy and co's statements; and witnesses who were around to witness Randy and co's behavior towards Michael. They might not win 100s of millions, but maybe 10 mil so grandma could leave to Randy and co to open a supermarket so they could have a steady income. Of course the attorneys will take 8 mil so the sons will only get 2 mil, but that could still help to get the supermarket going.

 

[Kingofpop4ever3000]

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From the emails I think the family would have stood a better chance if they claimed that AEG's behavior caused Michael much emotional and psychological harm which put a great burden on him physically and emotionally, and with Muarry's doctoring plus AEG's behavior Michael became disorientated, stressed, lost weight, and that his physical, emotional, and psychological condition at the end of his life was a direct result of both Muarry's doctoring and AEG's verbal abuse and their constant threat to take control of his assets if he was unable to perform. Then the family could have had both Muarry and AEG liable--Muarry for the death and AEG for extenuating circumstances. They could have brought in some expert witnesses dealing with emotional/psychological behaviors caused by stress; people to testify that Michael knew about Randy and co's statements; and witnesses who were around to witness Randy and co's behavior towards Michael. They might not win 100s of millions, but maybe 10 mil so grandma could leave to Randy and co to open a supermarket so they could have a steady income. Of course the attorneys will take 8 mil so the sons will only get 2 mil, but that could still help to get the supermarket going.

Thank you. If the Jacksons had played things fair all the way around, there is a chance they would have won this case. Instead, they have embarrassed themselves and insulted Michael's memory, although they will never admit it. I could cry when I think about how much I used to like these people. Because now I am disgusted by their actions. This is terrible. Now the only person in that family that I have any respect for is Michael. And Michael is dead. Although I know that he would be proud of his children, I would think that the rest of his family would always be there to protect his memory since he is gone. But I guess not. And it breaks my heart.

 

[shelly_webster]

Re: AEG emails leak / AEG files motion for sanctions against Jacksons / Doubts surfaced early on MJ

Thank you. If the Jacksons had played things fair all the way around, there is a chance they would have won this case. Instead they have embarrassed themselves and insulted Michael's memory, although they will never admit it. I want to cry when I think about how much I used to like these people. This is terrible. Now the only person in that family that I have any respect for is Michael. And Michael is dead. I would think that his family would always be there to protect his memory since he is gone. But I guess not. And it breaks my heart.

I am not sure about that because the Jacksons wanted him to do another show with another company and by doing that they added lots of stress on him.

 

[Soundmind]

Re: AEG emails leak / AEG files motion for sanctions against Jacksons / Doubts surfaced early on MJ

the Jacksons don't want a trial ,they want a settlement . The trial will be devastating to them , all their dirty laundry will be out especially Randy's , they will keep trying to force AEG to settle until the last minute , Randy won't ever dare to take the stand.

 

[Bubs]

Re: AEG emails leak / AEG files motion for sanctions against Jacksons / Doubts surfaced early on MJ

I am not sure about that because the Jacksons wanted him to do another show with another company and by doing that they added lots of stress on him.

Didn't Katherine in one of her tv interviews say that she was the one who got Michael's 02 dates spaced out so he had a longer break between the shows (I thought it was DiLeo), but on the other hand she too was pushing Michael to do tour with brothers.
So it is not ok for AEG to push Michael, but when mother does that, it is not pushing, its loving your family and doing everything for your family:no:


Did anyone watch that CNN program that was mentioned earlier here? What they said about AEG and MJ?

the Jacksons don't want a trial ,they want a settlement . The trial will be devastating to them , all their dirty laundry will be out especially Randy's , they will keep trying to force AEG to settle until the last minute , Randy won't ever dare to take the stand.

Totally believable! That could be the reason why the emails were leaked now. They had to do it now as AEG wasn't showing any signs for settlement, so they gave a push, and hoped it will help AEG to settle the case before trial.

 

[passy001]

Re: AEG emails leak / AEG files motion for sanctions against Jacksons / Doubts surfaced early on MJ

I don't think AEG will settle. what will they gain by doing that? in fact it will be worse if they did as they will be implying guilt on their part, which could open the door to even more lawsuits. Plus, their reputation is at stake. why taking all these risks?