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I post the article that jamba was referring to. It seems that there is another leak to NY Daily News

Emails reveal dire worries about Michael Jackson’s health in the days before his death
The Daily News has obtained a trove of emails – which are expected to play a central role in two lawsuits set for trial next year – which detail concerns over Michael Jackson’s health by those around him in the days and weeks before his death.

BY JAMES DESBOROUGH AND NANCY DILLON / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

PUBLISHED: SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 8, 2012, 11:45 PM
UPDATED: SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 9, 2012, 3:46 AM

Five days before Michael Jackson took his last labored breath in a darkened bedroom, the director of his ill-fated “This Is It” comeback tour was sounding the alarm — even louder than previously revealed.

Kenny Ortega sent a panicked email in the predawn hours of June 20, 2009, telling promoter Randy Phillips, the head of AEG Live, that Jackson appeared too “weak and fatigued” to rehearse the previous night, “trembling, rambling and obsessing” to the point Ortega recommended a psychological exam.

When Phillips didn’t immediately address his fears, Ortega fired off another email 11 hours later, the Daily News has learned.

“I honestly felt if I had encouraged or allowed him on stage last night he could have hurt himself,” Ortega wrote to Phillips in the confidential 1:20 p.m. missive obtained by The News.

Phillips responded within the hour, shooting down Ortega’s concerns with even more force than formerly exposed. “It is critical that neither you, me, or anyone around this show become amateur psychiatrists or physicians,” he wrote, adding that he was in touch with Jackson’s personal doctor, Conrad Murray, and had gained “immense respect” for the cardiologist who would later got to jail for involuntary manslaughter.

“(Murray) said that Michael is not only physically equipped to perform (but) that discouraging him to (perform) will hasten his decline instead of stopping it,” Phillips said.

“You cannot imagine the harm and ramifications of stopping the show now,” he wrote. “It would far outweigh ‘calling this game in the 7th inning.’ I am not just talking about AEG’s interests here, but the myriad of stuff and lawsuits swirling around MJ that I crisis manage every day and also his well-being.”

Signing off as Randy, he added: “Please stay steady. Enough alarms have sounded. It is time to put out the fire, not burn the building down.” Jackson, 50, appeared to improve significantly at followup rehearsals but died that Thursday after Murray provided a lethal dose of the surgery-strength anesthetic propofol to help the King of Pop sleep.

The trove of emails detailing dire concerns over Jackson’s health are expected to play a central role in two lawsuits set for trial next year.

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One involves Jackson’s heirs suing AEG for wrongful death. The other is a battle over the $17.5 million insurance policy that Lloyds of London wants rejected due to Jackson’s alleged ailments.

A lawyer for AEG said the leaked emails were “cherry-picked” from more than 40,000 documents in an effort to “misguide” the public.

“Both Michael Jackson and his personal physician, Dr. Murray, repeatedly told all involved in the tour that Michael Jackson was healthy.

And indeed the autopsy showed that was in fact the case,” lawyer Marvin Putnam told The News. “AEG could not, and did not, cancel its agreement with Mr. Jackson, a respected performing artist who insisted he was ready and willing to perform, simply because he’d been ill one night.

Putnam said Phillips and Ortega met with Jackson after the worrisome rehearsal to express their concerns and check on his welfare.

Jackson was “calm, lucid, and appeared fully healthy and engaged,” he said, and “backed up that convincing interview by performing brilliantly at the next two rehearsals, which Mr. Phillips attended personally.”


The more than 200 pages of correspondence obtained by The News — and first reported by the Los Angeles Times — also provide a window into the strange behind-the-scenes minutiae surrounding the King of Pop’s final days.

One striking exchange shows Murray micromanaging his proposed London accommodations while Jackson — the man he was hired to attend — lost weight as he begged for dangerous drugs.

“Make sure that the mattresses are in top shape or they will have to be changed,” Murray wrote in a June 15, 2009, email about the posh residence he planned to inhabit with his three daughters and infant son.

Other leaked emails show that even though London’s O2 arena holds some 20,000 people, Jackson was only allowed 10 comp tickets per night for the sold-out run.

And two months before Ortega complained to Phillips that Jackson appeared “weak” and neglected by his personal staff, an AEG executive personally fired Jackson’s longtime nanny and confidant Grace Rwaramba to help the bottom line.

“AEG has been cutting down on Mr. Jackson’s expenses in anticipation of his upcoming tour. Unfortunately at this time the services you provide do not meet our needs,” AEG exec Paul Gongaware told Rwaramba April 19.

Perhaps most shocking were emails Phillips sent an AEG colleague shortly before Jackson stood at a podium in the O2 arena on March 5, 2009, and blew kisses to his screaming fans as he announced the “This Is It” deal.

“MJ is locked in his room drunk and despondent,” Phillips wrote. “Tohme and I are trying to sober him up and get him to the press conference.”

Dr. Tohme Tohme was Jackson’s manager at the time and had negotiated a $100,000 per month salary from AEG.

“Are you kidding me?” the colleague wrote back. Together, Phillips and Tohme dressed Jackson in his glittering black satin neo-military suit and sunglasses.

“I screamed at him so loud the walls are shaking,” Phillips wrote. “This is the scariest thing I have ever seen.

He is an emotionally paralyzed mess riddled with self loathing and doubt now that it is show time. He is scared to death.”

ndillon@nydailynews.com



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...reveal-article-1.1155107?pgno=1#ixzz25xV30bLQ
 
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Interesting that when LATimes run the story Michael being drunk in his hotel room in the morning of announcement, Tohme wasn't mentioned at all, NYDN mentions him being there too.

Poor Murray, he had so much to worry about, for example mattresses being in top shape!

Another new tidbit is that AEG fired Grace R.
 
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Also there is one new email quote about Randy Phillips trying to calm Ortega down and saying we need to rely on Murray, who says they should not encourage Michael to miss rehearsals b/c Michael is fine. So was Murray was telling Randy to ignore Ortega's concerns, or was Randy using that? It also says Randy cannot cancel the shows not only due to AEG interests but also due to lawsuits that Randy was dealing with concerning Michael (Allgood?). I wish we didn't have to wait til April next year for the trial 'cause there is too much speculation now about the case, and too muchleked stuff. Hope the judge starts cracking the whip about the leaks--maybe he could jail some people for contempt of the court??

In a way I can understand what Randy Philips is saying and did, he buried his head in the sand and hoped the problem goes away. He didn't love Michael as his fans and "some family" members do, and his was there for the purpose to make money for the company he works for, like all of us who works for someone else. He, (like I personally would have done) trusted what the doctor told him, and didn't follow it any further. Murray told him MJ is ok, he believe it, or perhaps more like he wanted to believe it as cancelling the tour this scale would have been a huge hit for both of them, AEG and MJ.
 
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Are these new leaks confidential emails aswell?
 
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Just got chills when i read the quote from randy philips about 'puuting out the fire not burning down the house' ... Gives me the creeps.
 
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Are these new leaks confidential emails aswell?
Seems like, put NYDN really doesn't say how and to whom they got them from.
 
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Just got chills when i read the quote from randy philips about 'puuting out the fire not burning down the house' ... Gives me the creeps.

A some strange sentence. Who or what is the fire and who or what is the house.

According NY Daily News Phillips wrotes this in his mail on June, 20.
One day later it was the meeting in Michael's home und there Phillips pressed Michael to end his visits at Dr. Klein.
Was Phillips meaning Klein with "the fire"?
 
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i though michael was wearing a black shirt and dark jeans.
 
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A some strange sentence. Who or what is the fire and who or what is the house.

According NY Daily News Phillips wrotes this in his mail on June, 20.
One day later it was the meeting in Michael's home und there Phillips pressed Michael to end his visits at Dr. Klein.
Was Phillips meaning Klein with "the fire"?

From memory (Murray Trial) : several people were worried and talked to Murray, including Randy Phillips. Murray repeatedly told them Michael was fine. People were worried because among other things, Michael was missing rehearsals. And on 19th Michael attends, but is unable to rehearse. Kenny Ortega is worried and sends an email (apparently 2, according to this article). The e mail triggers a meeting on the 20th, Murray and Michael say that everything is going to be fine, and Murray turns against Ortega to tell him to stop acting as a doctor or psychologist.

I don't think Phillips meant Klein by the fire, I think he meant that if people exaggerate things (ie Ortega wanted professional psychological help, some thought Kenny had sent Michael home that night) that will make things worse (burn the house). And what everybody wants is to make things better (put the fire out), which Phillips thought he did by talking to Michael and Murray, and organizing this meeting.

It's interesting to know the e mail was written on 20th, it's the same day as the meeting with Murray Michael, Phillips, and Ortega it would be interestig to know if it was written before or after.

link to Ivy's trial summaries :

Randy Phillips : http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...November-7-Verdict-announced/page3?p=3520368&

Kenny Ortega (first witness after opening statements) : http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...s-No-discussion-November-7-Verdict-announced?
 
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I read the article, I think these are the same emails. It's just that NY Daily Times wrote different part from them.

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I think "putting out the fire not burning down the house". The house he's talking about TII concerts, he doesn't want to close them down which would be burning down the house. Putting the fire out means solving Michael's issues so then the fire will be out and everything will continue as planned.
 
What this means?

Other leaked emails show that even though London’s O2 arena holds some 20,000 people, Jackson was only allowed 10 comp tickets per night for the sold-out run.
 
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^^

Complimentary tickets given for free. Which means he could have 10 people that could got in for free to see him watch the show etc. Think of it like he had 10 seats assigned for his use anyway he wanted. They are trying to make the point that 10 seats out of 20,000 is kinda low.
 
Nathy MJ;3705217 said:
What this means?

"Other leaked emails show that even though London’s O2 arena holds some 20,000 people, Jackson was only allowed 10 comp tickets per night for the sold-out run."

@Nathy:
Free-tickets
at Michael's disposal (for his friends, family,...)
 
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^Complimentary? I dunno. I've been reading this thread, but so tired of the Jacksons' shenanigans to even post a comment.
All I can say is, Howard Mann is the scapegoat, and surely that didn't come about for free. There must be some underhand deal between him and the Jacksons, where he agreed to take the blame in exchange for something. I'm sure we'll find out in time to come.

I am with the members that think Michael's legacy will survive despite this lawsuit. Despite everything. Hell, it survived the worst hit ever with the 2005 trial. It survived the murray trial and last, but not least, decades of tabloid trashing. This is peanuts compared to all of that.

The people who will get hurt the most will be the other Jacksons - not Michael. Do I care about that? Nope. They deserve to be trashed and exposed for their greed and inhuman treatment of their son and brother - Michael.
 
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These email leaked? Where can we download them?
 
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These email leaked? Where can we download them?

you can't. The emails are given to media and they write articles about it. It's not available online to be downloaded.
 
When Phillips didn’t immediately address his fears, Ortega fired off another email 11 hours later, the Daily News has learned.

“I honestly felt if I had encouraged or allowed him on stage last night he could have hurt himself,” Ortega wrote to Phillips in the confidential 1:20 p.m. missive obtained by The News.

Phillips responded within the hour, shooting down Ortega’s concerns with even more force than formerly exposed. “It is critical that neither you, me, or anyone around this show become amateur psychiatrists or physicians,” he wrote, adding that he was in touch with Jackson’s personal doctor, Conrad Murray, and had gained “immense respect” for the cardiologist who would later got to jail for involuntary manslaughter.

Isn't this the argument Murray used when Ortega sent MJ home that day? Phillips was repeating Murray's words.
“(Murray) said that Michael is not only physically equipped to perform (but) that discouraging him to (perform) will hasten his decline instead of stopping it,” Phillips said.
see it's always Murray.

“You cannot imagine the harm and ramifications of stopping the show now,” he wrote. “It would far outweigh ‘calling this game in the 7th inning.’ I am not just talking about AEG’s interests here, but the myriad of stuff and lawsuits swirling around MJ that I crisis manage every day and also his well-being."
no wonder AEG lawyers are saying no one should form an opinion before the trial. My understanding of this email that Randy Phillips told Ortega they couldn't cancel the shows not only due to AEG's interests but due to MJ's interests also, so they did care about him. We don't know what was said about Klien in those emails but I'm sure all the symptoms were blamed on the infamous Klien by Murray and AEG did believe him because MJ used to visit Klien on his way to the rehearsals, that's why they thought Murray was the one helping repair the damage caused by Kliene
 
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These leaks may do some professional damage to AEG and those who sent the emails. Some artists may be wondering about what is being said behind their backs. However I don't know that anyone in the general public is going to decide not to go an AEG event based on these leaks.

The real loser is here, as usual is Michael.

Yesterday on the news there was a story about a Bible that Elvis owned which he wrote 'if you judge a man on his weakest link, it's like judging the ocean by one wave' (or words to that effect). I long for the day when the media takes a more compassionate and holistic approach to the Michael Jackson narrative.

In an ideal world the media would have looked at those emails, done some research for context and presented a more balanced view. But hey, they are the ones who are lazy.

Sorry that I cannot add more substantively to this discussion. But thanks soundmind for bringing your rational and considered thoughts to the board. I am guess I am still feeling too emotional about the whole thing.
 
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what exactly is the media saying about the emails? I haven't heard anything.. If anything it makes AEG look bad, not MJ. It also proves that they were all using MJ and they didn't care about him or his health. How does that hurt Michael?
 
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no wonder AEG lawyers are saying no one should form an opinion before the trial. My understanding of this email that Randy Phillips told Ortega they couldn't cancel the shows not only due to AEG's interests but due to MJ's interests also, so they did care about him. We don't know what was said about Klien in those emails but I'm sure all the symptoms were blamed on the infamous Klien by Murray and AEG did believe him because MJ used to visit Klien on his way to the rehearsals, that's why they thought Murray was the one helping repair the damage caused by Kliene

And this is exactly why I haven't been very harsh towards AEG (yet) because we don't have the full emails. Not everything is always so black and white. The latest article in the NYTimes reveals much more that AEG was basically in disbelief of what they were witnessing. Their intention was not to sabotage MJ and honestly they were not MJ's caretakers.
I know we, as fans, can sometimes get overprotected towards Michael and totally understandable considering what he went through. However we need to be careful not to overreact and maybe try to find an example of the situation in our own life to help us see things in perspective and to get an understanding if it was anybody else, would we still be reacting in the same way. It was not AEG's job to take care of Michael. He was a 50 year old adult with his own doctor with him all the time who was supposed to take care of his health. But Murray said he was fine, Michael said he was fine. What more could they do?

And lets face it, everybody talks about everybody and I'm sure each and ever one of us have talked behind a friend's or loved one's back. We are just lucky that our emails/text messages/conversations are not broadcasted around the world.

I'm head of personnel at the company I work for and I discuss behaviour, ilnesses, no-shows, known financial situations and private issues about the employees with my CEO too in pretty much the same way AEG did in their emails. It's a way of personally dealing with the situation while getting feedback and in no way it means we don't respect our employees. It's just that, even though we take personal issues into consideration, we are a company that needs to make a profit. If we don't make profit at the end of the day we are forced to let some employees go to keep a healthy business. So yeah, unfortunately at times we need to step in to make sure a certain employee knows his behaviour is not welcomed and it doesn't matter if he's normally a very hard and trustworthy worker.
 
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I don't think AEG knew what Murray was doing to Michael. Murray told them what they wanted to hear. Look at his patients that testified. He had a way about him to convince people. He made Michael sick. Michael was healthy when he died his autopsy confirms that. But when he felt ill and one side of the body was hot and the other cold for example it was what Murray was doing. He wasn't getting proper rest to prepare.

A friend of mine recently wasn't getting any sleep and the way she looked and the way she talked something alarmed me. She is healthy person but all of a sudden I didn't recognize her it felt like. I think Kenny Ortega cared about Michael. He said something and people were dismissing him it seems on both sides. I don't like AEG if some of what they said about Michael is true. People talk behind each others back but Michael was a real person and to talk about him like that in emails? Disrespectful.

Unless there is something that shows that AEG knew what Murray was doing then I don't how the Jacksons can win this case. Look at them as well, they worried about Michael they say but pushed him to tour with them. They were bothering him while he was busy preparing for this tour. I am sure they have said things behind Michael's back as well. I don't see who really is better to be honest.
 
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"I am sure they have said things behind Michael's back as well. I don't see who really is better to be honest. "

I think we might learnt it very quickly, remember Randy's girlfriend depsotion?
 
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There is nothing new in the Daily New emails. They are just repeating information from the trial and what was leaked to make it sound like they have something new to say. Ortega did talk about Michael appearing weak; we knew about the conflict between Ortega, Randy and Muarry already. During trial we learned that AEG could not cancel any shows unless Michael agreed to it.

We need to remember that the news is just showing emails out of context of the situation to make Michael look more out of control than ever. AEG is asking that these emails not be used now, so we may never get to hear them in their true context.

It seems that AEG really believed that Muarry was taking good care of Michal. Ortega noticed the differences more because he worked closely with Michael. Now we know that these behaviors were triggered by Muarry's doctoring, and I am sure that AEG will bring that up to show they were not associated with his death. After all, AEG has the court transcripts to use to show all the things Muarry did wrong.
 
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We don't know what was said about Klien in those emails but I'm sure all the symptoms were blamed on the infamous Klien by Murray and AEG did believe him because MJ used to visit Klien on his way to the rehearsals, that's why they thought Murray was the one helping repair the damage caused by Kliene

I cant remember where I read it but it was after MJ passed and worker on This is It said that before rehearsals they would check TMZ to see if Michael had been visiting Klein earlier that day so they would be prepared of what to expect.


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And indeed the autopsy showed that was in fact the case,” lawyer Marvin Putnam told The News. “AEG could not, and did not, cancel its agreement with Mr. Jackson, a respected performing artist who insisted he was ready and willing to perform, simply because he’d been ill one night.

Im pretty sure Kenny didnt based his concerns on just one night. There must have been other incidents that had him worried..
 
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This is all just a damn shame.. MJ should be here.. If folks started noticing Mike acting differently when Murray began his 'treatments' then folks should've put 2 and 2 together and found out what the hell was MURRAY doing to MJ. Did Murray ever tell AEG what type of 'treatments' he was providing that would warrant a $150,000 per month salary?
 
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Vici I remember the TMZ comment made by the dancer too. It seems that when Michael went to Klien for treatment he was groggy and not able to work properly. I guess this is why AEG thought that it was Klien that was causing the problem. I agree with you that Kenny must have seen Michael out of it for more than one occasion for him to be alarmed.

What I find strange, is that Kenny is thinking about psychological issues and getting a professional, but since they felt Klien was drugging Michael why didn't Kenny connect Klien's or Muarry's treatment to Michael's behavior. It seems to me that at one point Randy and Ortega were thinking that these behaviors were due to Michael having fears about doing the show. I feel, that because they viewed the problem in that way, they missed the opportunity to save his life.

Jaydom we were writing the same thing at the same time.
 
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I don't know how much more I can possibly take regarding this. It's only obvious no one really had his well-being in mind, except maybe Ortega. But his concerns were cast aside because no one wanted to hear them, especially considering how much potential profit was at stake if his preoccupations turned out to be legitimate, which they ultimately did.

It is possible Ortega wanted a psychiatrist to be called because of the reported obsessive behaviour and paranoia, but both these things can occur as side effects and/or overdose of certain medications. I don't know how much Ortega knew about the nature of Murray's "treatment," but he wouldn't be intentionally misguided to think a psychiatrist would be able to help with those issues. They are also parts of anxiety disorders, after all, as is the trembling. But in Michael's case it was obviously due to Murray's treatment.
 
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This is all just a damn shame.. MJ should be here.. If folks started noticing Mike acting differently when Murray began his 'treatments' then folks should've put 2 and 2 together and found out what the hell was MURRAY doing to MJ. Did Murray ever tell AEG what type of 'treatments' he was providing that would warrant a $150,000 per month salary?


I agree. I mean, it's obvious that they thought that something was wrong with Michael. Why were they taking Murray's word for it that Michael was fine if they had already seen for themselves that Michael was in trouble? Kenny Ortega tried to ring the alarm many times and finally got told by Murray to mind his own business after he sent Michael home for a day when Michael wasn't feeling well. Now why didn't that sound suspicious to anyone at AEG?
 
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