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Re: BAD 25 MJ Demo's unreleased and unheard studio songs/ Snippets added [Discussion]

I love Price of Fame and from Al Capone I like the vocal layers Michael used in the chorus.

By the way, does anyone agree with me that Al Capone sounds like a 'Jacksons' song? :lol:

I said it before that Al Capone sounds like something that was made During the Victory Era. The chorus reminds me abit of the style they used on torture
 
Re: BAD 25 MJ Demo's unreleased and unheard studio songs/ Snippets added [Discussion]

I've listened to all but I'm So Blue. Is it really THAT good? Abortion Papers and Free blew me away, they were amazing.
 
Re: BAD 25 MJ Demo's unreleased and unheard studio songs/ Snippets added [Discussion]

The clips sound great.

Abortion Papers reminds me a bit of Streetwalker, but better. Price Of Fame sounds catchy and Al Capone is just epic.

The ballads are a bit meh, but you can't tell all that much from small snippets.

I love the ballads. I'm So Blue is beautiful, and Free has a nice chorus.
 
Re: BAD 25 MJ Demo's unreleased and unheard studio songs/ Snippets added [Discussion]

I love every single unreleased song (including Don't Be Messin'). Oh my GOD, these are incredible. My list:

1. I'm So Blue
2. Al Capone
3. Free
4. Song Groove (A/K/A Abortion Papers)
5. Price of Fame
6. Don't Be Messin' Around
 
Annita;3706799 said:
SONG GROOVE (A/K/A ABORTION PAPERS)
As noted earlier, this is a song that Michael knew could be controversial and, as a result, he spent a lot of time thinking about the story for the song and the voice through which the song should be told. The song is about a girl whose father is a priest; she was raised in the Church and on the Bible. She gets married in the Church but decides, against the Bible, to have an abortion and she wants “Abortion Papers.” As Michael indicated in his notes, “I have to do it in a way so I don’t offend girls who have gotten abortions or bring back guilt trips so it has to be done carefully… I have to really think about it.“ This is an early example of a song with a controversial subject.

http://www.showbiz411.com/2012/08/27/michael-jackson-exclusive-liner-notes-from-bad25

Thanks for the info!

Renan_Antonio;3706814 said:
I won't listen til' it leaks in full... but it's hard to resist. Haha

I also try to resist listening until I have my copy of Bad25! :wild:
 
Re: BAD 25 MJ Demo's unreleased and unheard studio songs/ Snippets added [Discussion]

I shouldn't have listened to the other snippets cause i am not as impressed as you guys. I love Price of Fame, but thats also because we pretty much heard the full thing. Snippets just don't work for MJ songs imo, the instrumentals in these snippets really did not blow me away or anything. I need to hear the full songs before i can properly judge though.
 
Re: BAD 25 MJ Demo's unreleased and unheard studio songs/ Snippets added [Discussion]

Lol, just found this...:D

"Ain't Nobody" is a 1983 hit single by Rufus & Chaka Khan. It was released as a studio bonus track on the band's live album Stompin' at the Savoy. It reached number one on the U.S. R&B chart and twenty-two on the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart.[1] It has become one of Khan's signature songs.
Rufus keyboardist David "Hawk" Wolinski wrote the song around a repeating synthesizer loop backed by a Linn LM-1 Drum Computer. Legendary producer Quincy Jones (who had previously worked with Rufus) wanted Wolinski to give "Ain't Nobody" to Michael Jackson for the album that would become the blockbuster Thriller, but Wolinski had already promised it to producer Russ Titelman, who ultimately had the band record it as a vocal showcase for Khan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ain't_Nobody

It's a small (music) world.
 
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Re: Snippets from every unheard demo/songs

1. Al Capone

SPACE

2. Price of Fame
3. Abortion Papers
4. Free
5. I'm So Blue
6. Don't Be Messin' Around
 
Re: BAD 25 MJ Demo's unreleased and unheard studio songs/ Snippets added [Discussion]

Lol, just found this...:D

"Ain't Nobody" is a 1983 hit single by Rufus & Chaka Khan. It was released as a studio bonus track on the band's live album Stompin' at the Savoy. It reached number one on the U.S. R&B chart and twenty-two on the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart.[1] It has become one of Khan's signature songs.
Rufus keyboardist David "Hawk" Wolinski wrote the song around a repeating synthesizer loop backed by a Linn LM-1 Drum Computer. Legendary producer Quincy Jones (who had previously worked with Rufus) wanted Wolinski to give "Ain't Nobody" to Michael Jackson for the album that would become the blockbuster Thriller, but Wolinski had already promised it to producer Russ Titelman, who ultimately had the band record it as a vocal showcase for Khan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ain't_Nobody

It's a small (music) world.

Like i said before, Al Capone sounds a lot like Ain't Nobody....


And Abortion Papers with Donna Summer - She Works Hard For The Money
 
Re: BAD 25 MJ Demo's unreleased and unheard studio songs/ Snippets added [Discussion]

Also, have something in common with Chaka Khan - Ain't Nobody

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0.14-0.29 from Al Capone reminds me of 1.32-1.53 from Chaka Khan's 'Aint nobody'.

Like i said before, Al Capone sounds a lot like Ain't Nobody....


And Abortion Papers with Donna Summer - She Works Hard For The Money

I agree with you. I hadn't read your first post. You beat me to it! I hate that, lol!!
 
Here is a track by track review from jo vogel and Matt forger .. part of Joseph Vogles article


track-by-track review with additional insights from recording engineer and longtime Jackson friend,
Matt Forger:

"Don't Be Messin' 'Round"

I wrote an in-depth piece on the making of this infectious, Bossa Nova-styled rhythm track back in June when it was released as a B-side to Jackson's No. 1 hit ballad, "I Just Can't Stop Loving You." You can read that piece here. A fan favorite (and a song Jackson worked on many years and for which he had great affection), it is an appropriate opener to this collection. Some day it would be fascinating for listeners to hear the extended cuts (many of Jackson's songs and demos have longer versions which he often reluctantly trimmed down at Quincy Jones's bequest) as well as its later re-incarnations.

Matt Forger:"The thing I love about these demos is the rawness. Michael had the freedom to just get the expression out there without thinking, 'Oh, Quincy is going to be judging the vocal, or it has to be perfect.' It's just Michael going for it, experimenting, having fun."



"I'm So Blue"
This is a simple but beautiful ballad about singing to keep the blues away. Its languid, wistful feel is augmented by a lush keyboard bed, airy strings and soulful harmonica. It conjures a warm, summer dusk as Jackson narrates a tale of lost love. "I've been singing for so very long," he laments. "Still I'm crying/ Tell me what should I do." The wordless chorus (sha da da da da da da) is a resigned sigh. Like the blues men of old, he takes refuge from his loneliness and sorrow in the music.

Matt Forger: "This was a song Michael worked on with me and Bill Bottrell. It was already mixed from that era. It's a mid-tempo, melancholy, rainy-day-by-the-fireplace kind of song. It's a bit reminiscent of Stevie Wonder—the harmonica, the tonality. Stevie was a big part of Michael's life. It's not unusual that you would see that influence in his work."



"Abortion Papers"
Jackson isn't the first recording artist to explore the controversial subject of abortion in song. It has also surfaced in the work of Neil Young, Madonna, Sinead O'Connor, and Lauryn Hill, among others. In "Abortion Papers," Jackson approaches the matter carefully (and ambiguously): rather than presenting a dogmatic political perspective, he personalizes it through the story of a conflicted girl raised in a deeply religious home and her Bible-admonishing father. In his notes for the track, Jackson wrote, "I have to do it in a way so I don't offend girls who have gotten abortions or bring back guilt trips so it has to be done carefully....I have to really think about it." Jackson narrates the track with a strong, passionate vocal. Ironically, the main drawback of the track is its catchiness. It feels a bit strange wanting to dance and sing along to a song about abortion, but that's exactly what the addictive groove inspires. Kudos to Jackson for attempting to tackle a sensitive issue in a thoughtful manner, though it appears even he wasn't quite sure about how it would play to listeners.

Matt Forger: "This was a song that we initially missed during archiving. It was titled 'Song Groove' on the box so we overlooked it. Once we figured out what it was we started to put the pieces together. It was recorded by Brian Maloof and Gary O., a couple of engineers who worked with Michael for a brief time. When we heard it we knew it could be controversial, especially with what's been going on politically. But when you listen to the song there's a story being told. Michael really reflected on what the approach should be. He wasn't sure how to narrate it. There were different variations with vocals—he didn't want it to be judgmental. He was very clear about that. But he wanted to present a real, complicated situation."


"Free"
"Got to be free," Jackson exclaims in this breezy ballad's conclusion. His bright, breathy vocal hearkens back to the carefree vitality of the Jacksons/Off the Wall era. The verses on this track were clearly still being worked out, but the chorus ("Free, free like the wind blows/ To fly away just like the sparrow...") and harmonies are enough to whisk one away from the worries of the day. Beautiful song.

Matt Forger:"There were times when going back and listening to this stuff was really an emotional experience for me. That was especially the case when I started working on the song, 'Free.' When you listen to this song you hear Michael's spirit and joy. It's raw, it's loose, it's him in his element, doing what he loved to do. The first time I listened to it I broke down. This is what it was like every day."


"Price of Fame"
One of the recurring themes in Jackson's work—pervasive on the Bad album and its outtakes—is about being in control versus being controlled. Given the nature of his life, particularly after Thriller, this preoccupation makes sense. How does he retain his identity, his sanity, his privacy amid such suffocating scrutiny, adulation, and expectations? Out of this context comes the dark psychological rumination, "Price of Fame," with its Police-like, "Spirits in a Material World" opening and "Billie Jean"-esque verses (there are also chords with echoes of "Who Is It"). "Father always told me you won't live a quiet life," he rues, "if you're reaching for fortune and fame." The vocal throughout is drenched in painful irony. Where "Billie Jean" relays a mother's plea to "be careful who you love," here the father dominates via harsh dictums about the realities of show business. "It's the price of fame," Jackson sings in the chorus. "So don't you feel no pain/ It's the price of fame/ So don't you ever complain." While the song's production isn't complete by Jackson's standards, it does offer a powerful vocal (listen to the way he bites into the lyric: "My father never lies!"). It is a striking juxtaposition to the easy bliss of the previous track, revealing why he so desperately yearned to fly away and be "free."

Matt Forger: "Bill [Bottrell] and I worked on this one and I believe this is Bill's mix from that era... You can just tell it's an emotionally charged song. It's clearly based on his experience. But Michael often did songs that are based on his experience but blended with other characters and people's experiences as well."



"Al Capone"
"Al Capone" sounds about as much like "Smooth Criminal" as "Streetwalker" sounds like "Dangerous" (i.e. not very much at all). In both cases, however, Jackson took elements he liked and transformed them into something completely new. It is a testament to Jackson's instincts, patience, and work ethic. While this earlier version has great potential (and likely would have been released by many of Jackson's contemporaries as is), he kept at it and came up with the timeless classic that is "Smooth Criminal." The demo also demonstrates Jackson's remarkable knack for choruses that stick. One listen and those falsetto harmonies are on repeat in the brain.

Matt Forger: "This is an example of a song where a part of it inspires the next version of the song. There have been many cases where Michael has done that, where he would dwell on a song and refine concepts, or lyrics or melodies. The bass line in 'Al Capone'—you can see how it evolved into 'Smooth Criminal.' And the whole gangster theme carried over—though as it evolved it became less about a particular historical figure and more about a situation and a story. You can also hear Michael experimenting with this staccato-type of vocal, this rapid wordplay that he would later use."


"Streetwalker"
"Streetwalker" retains its place as the best of the Bad-era outtakes (closely followed by the unincluded standout, "Cheater"). While it was first released on the 2001 special edition of Bad, it is nice to have it in this collection as it fits so perfectly with the other material on the album and will now be heard by millions more listeners. Jackson actually wanted the track on the final lineup of Bad, but eventually conceded to Quincy Jones on "Another Part of Me." The song features a killer bass line, bluesy harmonica fills, and a classic Jackson vocal.


"Fly Away"
Also originally released on the 2001 special edition of Bad, this beautiful ballad is pure sonic bliss. Unlike some of the early Hayvenhurst demos, the production here is pristine and showcases Jackson's voice in sublime form.

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/09/abortion-fame-and-bad-listening-to-michael-jacksons-unreleased-demos/262242/
 
Re: Wembley DVD content - discuss Michael, his concert and performances ONLY [Preview Vids]

If any of you have Xbox Live, download Vevo app, both videos Human Nature and Another Part of Me are available to view, no block!
 
Re: BAD 25 MJ Demo's unreleased and unheard studio songs/ Snippets added [Discussion]

This is such a badass collection of demos/outtakes. Wow.
 
Re: BAD 25 CD Live songs Wembley Stadium July 16, 1988 [Discussion thread]

so excited!! beware people, listening to the live cd will cause multiple eargasms!! ;)

Hahahah You got that right!
 
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Michael Jackson - I'm So Blue
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Michael Jackson - Song Groove (aka Abortion Papers)
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Michael Jackson - Free
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Michael Jackson - Price of Fame
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Michael Jackson - Al Capone
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Not listening!

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Re: Exclusive - full songs: Bad 25 cd2

Couldnt resist to listen it, what a beautiful cd. The demos are AWESOME! The productions are authentic and might sound dated for others. But here you can really hear the work in progress from THE KING OF POP.

His voice is so beautiful.

This is the best release since the movie This Is It...
 
Re: Exclusive - full songs: Bad 25 cd2

"I'm so Blue" omg

it kinda sounds like a Chinese song
 
Re: Exclusive - full songs: Bad 25 cd2

oh my god. Im So Blue is my new favourite MJ SONG. Incredible!!!!
 
Re: Exclusive - full songs: Bad 25 cd2

Thanks!!!

Al Capone is so groovy. Omg I cant with his voice at 02:30. The falsetto is so soothing. And how he goes from singing soft to sing more with emotions/aggressive. Love his vocal range!!!

Im So blue - so dreamy where his angelic voice is in focus.

The ending of Free is cute with MJ speaking and laughing :)

Price of Fame, I just love his emotionally charged songs. The way he sings "Father never lies" is just ahhh... his haunting words and the beat captivates me. Plus his vocal range. Love it.
 
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Re: Exclusive - full songs: Bad 25 cd2

Just amazing. the whole CD. I cannot thank the estate enough. So happy here :) :)
 
Re: Exclusive - full songs: Bad 25 cd2

This is so amazing! Couldn't be happier right now. Wonderful Release
 
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