Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

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Got the AEG motion files, it's a lot of back and forth emails between AEG and Katherine's lawyers trying to set date for depositions and cancellations and trying to set dates again. They spent 10 months trying to depose Randy and Jermaine.

Hearing had happened on October 5 and judge ORDERED Randy and Jermaine to sit for deposition within 21 days , in other words by October 26.

There's still 6 months till the discovery cut off date but it seems AEG is trying to get everything done by the summary judgement cut off date which is in 2 months - December 2012.
 
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Cannot believe they won't give a depo for a case they initiated.

I'm saying, those lawyers are going in on the Jacksons in those depos! Its okay to have Michael ripped to shreds but when its one of them and answering to their dirty laundry, they don't want to talk.

I agree. And that's the major problem with these people, in my opinion. I think the family got Katherine to start this mess hoping that they could pressure AEG to give them a settlement. But when AEG started really defending themselves, the Jacksons were surprised. And now they are running scared from AEG. I believe that's why they tried to embarrass AEG by leaking those e-mails. And I also think they got Mann to take the blame for it in an attempt to protect themselves from being criticized about that. There would be no reason for AEG to basically have to force some of the Jacksons to talk in depositions if the Jacksons were not playing games with this situation.
 
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What if they don't do it by Oct 26 then what?
 
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What if they don't do it by Oct 26 then what?

most probably monetary sanctions even contempt of court is possible
 
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I agree. And that's the major problem with these people, in my opinion. I think the family got Katherine to start this mess hoping that they could pressure AEG to give them a settlement. But when AEG started really defending themselves, the Jacksons were surprised. And now they are running scared from AEG. I believe that's why they tried to embarrass AEG by leaking those e-mails. And I also think they got Mann to take the blame for it in an attempt to protect themselves from being criticized about that. There would be no reason for AEG to basically have to force some of the Jacksons to talk in depositions if the Jacksons were not playing games with this situation.

Their plan may have worked in 2010 when they started, the public was very sympathetic for them. So much has come out of Jackson's since then, and the public has turned against them. They cannot blame the estate for their tarnished image (which they tried already), its all their own doing in last few years.

Mann taking the blame for leaking those emails is no surprise, Randy and Co tried to make AEG to look as bad as they are, so at least they are on the same line when the trial starts.

I'm so much enjoying the image of Randy's head is going purple and ready to explode when judge ordered them to give their deposition. We'll see if the case is cancelled before they give their depositions, as they really seemed to be shitting their pants out fear for deposition.

I hope AEG leaks Randy and Jermaine's depos, just for the fun:D

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Marebear, I hope judge will sent them to local boarding house with bars on the windows until they do sit their deposition:cheeky:
 
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Thanks ivy. so we wait till the 26th
 
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Randy and Jermaine have their time now to reveal whatever evidence they claim to have. Didnt they write back in JULY that more would come out? Perfect time to dish it :D I mean how long are they gonna keep on sub-tweeting ? Lol
 
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If they sit their deposition, do we get to read it later, or will we hear what they said in trial(if there is one)?

Vici, they have tweeted last 3 years about more to come. Wonder how many more years we have to wait for "more to come"?
Randy did say ITS NOT OVER YET, so I suppose there is something to come:hysterical:
 
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If they sit their deposition, do we get to read it later,

no, unless it's used in some fashion. For example if they write a motion such as summary judgement and refer to it, they can add it in parts or in full and we can read it then. but also it could be sealed / marked confidential.

or will we hear what they said in trial(if there is one)?

if there's a trial the questions the parties asked will be based upon the information they collected but we won't possibly know what is the source unless they refer to them.
 
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Thank you Ivy.
Oh I so wish that all of Jackson's depositions are leaked one way other other:cheeky:
 
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Thank you Ivy.
Oh I so wish that all of Jackson's depositions are leaked one way other other:cheeky:

Let's pray it happens :lol:
 
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Randy and Jermaine have their time now to reveal whatever evidence they claim to have. Didnt they write back in JULY that more would come out? Perfect time to dish it :D I mean how long are they gonna keep on sub-tweeting ? Lol
We have been waiting for over 3 years for the "more to come out" seems we can only still watch and wait ....
 
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^The only things coming out are their own sleazy ways.
 
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Randy and Jermaine have their time now to reveal whatever evidence they claim to have. Didnt they write back in JULY that more would come out? Perfect time to dish it :D I mean how long are they gonna keep on sub-tweeting ? Lol

Right! I don't want to hear another word out of their mouth if they don't share the BIG revelation they have been threatening to expose for the pass 3 years! It's time to put up or STFU!
 
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Katherine's lawyers filed oppositions to the sanctions due to the leaks - I checked however the documents aren't available yet.


10/11/2012 Opposition Document (plaintiffs opposition to defdts motion to seal portions of the record filed in connection with defdts motion for sanctions )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

10/11/2012 Proof of Service (re: oppositions )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

10/11/2012 Declaration (OF DEBORAH S. CHANGE IN SUPPOR OF PLTFFS OPPOSITION TO DEFDTS MOTION FOR MONETARY AND OTHER SANCTIONS AGAINST PLTFFS FOR THEIR WILLFUL BREACH OF THE COURT ORDER)
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

10/11/2012 Opposition Document (PLTFFS OPPOSITION TO DEFDTS MOTION FOR MONETARY SANCTIONS AGAINST PLTFFS FOR THEIR WILLFUL BREACH OF THE COURTS PROTECTIVE ORDER; MEMO OF POINTS AND AUTH)
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner
 
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double post
 
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Thanks Ivy! any more info on Randy's and Jermaine's deposition?
 
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Thanks Ivy! any more info on Randy's and Jermaine's deposition?

they don't do updates about stuff in any trial. they don't file discoveries or depositions. the only time we would learn about something is when they file a motion - which is generally happens if there's an issue or a request.

For their depositions they have until October 26 to sit for them. If they don't then at a later time we can see a motion to compel or contempt of court motion. If they sit for them then we won't hear about them.

The contents of depositions will be known partially or in full if they are used in any other motion -such as summary judgement - of course if they aren't sealed.
 
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Got the AEG motion files, it's a lot of back and forth emails between AEG and Katherine's lawyers trying to set date for depositions and cancellations and trying to set dates again. They spent 10 months trying to depose Randy and Jermaine.

Hearing had happened on October 5 and judge ORDERED Randy and Jermaine to sit for deposition within 21 days , in other words by October 26.

There's still 6 months till the discovery cut off date but it seems AEG is trying to get everything done by the summary judgement cut off date which is in 2 months - December 2012.

This will be interesting... :fear:
 
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This will be interesting... :fear:

More than interesting. I'd love to be fly on the wall when they give their depositions. If I was AEG lawyer, I would get few bodyguards on stand-by when Randy gives his. His head is going to :blowup:
 
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More than interesting. I'd love to be fly on the wall when they give their depositions. If I was AEG lawyer, I would get few bodyguards on stand-by when Randy gives his. His head is going to :blowup:

Yes.... :fear: This will be >
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I still can't see documents filed by KJ side but from AEG documents it can be understood that they filed declarations saying they didn't leak the documents / emails. KJ's lawyers then blame multiple parties - initially Lloyds , then Mann acted alone, a secret criminal that broke into lawyers offices and took the documents , a rogue contract attorney, AEG's lawyers and leak before confidentiality agreement was signed etc.

Lloyds is cleared as they didn't have access to all documents, neither did AEG lawyers some documents were only provided to KJ's lawyers, document production only started was after confidentiality agreement, Mann couldn't have done this alone as he didn't have access to those either. A secret criminal wouldn't have access to the stamped docs too. No contract attorney had access to those documents either.

Mann is caught because 1 day before the article he sends an email to Lloyds lawyers saying he's the source and look out for the article about AEG. Mann later call his email stupid and his actions stupidity that started all this.

KJ's lawyers asked AEG to withdraw their motion stating that they didn't have the "smoking gun" and they can't blame KJ as there could be many other possible scenarios- AEG refused. KJ's lawyer now asking sanctions against AEG. AEG is firm in their position that there could be no other possible scenarios, Mann couldn't acted alone and he's too connected to Katherine to be considered a third party.

AEG hired a forensic expert for the documents, who determined that Ortega documents came from the copies given to KJ's lawyers for certain. Even though Ortega gave the same documents to Lloyds, AEG and KJ's lawyers, Lloyds documents had a large confidential mark over them (like how we do with documents), the copies didn't have those. The copies given to KJ's lawyers and AEG's lawyers were hand stamped which meant the confidential stamps were at different locations. It was a perfect match to the copies given to KJ.

The leaked AEG Live emails also had the same copier marks (a ghost line on the right side of the paper) as KJ's lawyers printer. So the forensic expert says he believes those leaked AEG emails were copied / printed at KJ's lawyers office. Confidential stamps were cut. (He can't say for sure because he didn't have access to the copier / printer machine)

Mann refused to identify his sources citing journalistic confidentiality. No one else sat for depositions. AEG wanted to depose Katherine and her lawyers.

Mann says he gave a box of documents to the reporter and did not know what was in the box. he now says there might be other sources.

Mann says his friend Randall Sullivan introduced him to Perry Sanders whom he recommended Katherine to hire. Mann says he has a copy of Sander's retainer agreement with Katherine. It should have been a confidential document / private document for Katherine and no access to Mann. AEG uses this to argue that the documents could have been given to Mann by Sanders.

KJ's assistant said KJ's lawyers brought a binder of documents to KJ's house in spring. She said she doesn't know what happened to binder.

AEG wanted to bring a forensic computer specialist and examine computers of both sides of attorneys. KJ's lawyers refused.

AEG wants sanctions, further investigations and depositions by a special master.
 
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Then it sounds to me like everything about the leaked e-mails keeps leading back to the Jacksons despite Mann trying to take the blame for this mess. There need to be court sanctions, in my opinion.
 
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So what sanctions you can have when you do that ? I hope it's a serious sanction! *popcorn*
 
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It's pretty obvious who the source of the leak is. In the end MJ will pay those sanctions through his Estate. That's the sad reality.
 
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thanks ivy. AEG certainly arent holding back on this.they have more smoking guns on the jacksons than a shooting range.gotta love all the jacksons excuses. its like the dog ate my homework with them. i guess this is what happens when they play with the big boys

"Mann says his friend Randall Sullivan "

the one who wrote the book? intresting
 
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I still can't see documents filed by KJ side but from AEG documents it can be understood that they filed declarations saying they didn't leak the documents / emails. KJ's lawyers then blame multiple parties - initially Lloyds , then Mann acted alone, a secret criminal that broke into lawyers offices and took the documents , a rogue contract attorney, AEG's lawyers and leak before confidentiality agreement was signed etc.

Maybe an ufo landed to Katherine house, took the docs and gave them to Harriet Ryan?
:lol: I had a good laugh at when they even accused AEG themselves leaking these docs.
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Mann is caught because 1 day before the article he sends an email to Lloyds lawyers saying he's the source and look out for the article about AEG. Mann later call his email stupid and his actions stupidity that started all this.

We know he is stupid and I'm clad he himself acknowledges this too.
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KJ's lawyers asked AEG to withdraw their motion stating that they didn't have the "smoking gun" and they can't blame KJ as there could be many other possible scenarios- AEG refused. KJ's lawyer now asking sanctions against AEG. AEG is firm in their position that there could be no other possible scenarios, Mann couldn't acted alone and he's too connected to Katherine to be considered a third party.

I thought it was brilliant stroke from AEG to quote Katherine statement from 2009 "when they are suing Howard Mann, they're suing me". "Anything you say can and will be used against you" comes to my mind, and K &Co should remember this. What they say today, can and most likely used against them later.
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Mann refused to identify his sources citing journalistic confidentiality. No one else sat for depositions. AEG wanted to depose Katherine and her lawyers.

Ivy, he is not journalist so can he hide behind this?
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Mann says he gave a box of documents to the reporter and did not know what was in the box. he now says there might be other sources.

He didn't know what was in the box but he instinctively knew he MUST give them to journalist?
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Mann says his friend Randall Sullivan introduced him to Perry Sanders whom he recommended Katherine to hire. Mann says he has a copy of Sander's retainer agreement with Katherine. It should have been a confidential document / private document for Katherine and no access to Mann. AEG uses this to argue that the documents could have been given to Mann by Sanders.

Small world! Now we know how R Sullivan got he info for his book. No wonder he wrote the same crap in his book than Jackson's and Mann has been spewing about the will.
Katherine needs her own GAL to look after her against these crooks.
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KJ's assistant said KJ's lawyers brought a binder of documents to KJ's house in spring. She said she doesn't know what happened to binder.

Randy took it and gave it to Mann.
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AEG wanted to bring a forensic computer specialist and examine computers of both sides of attorneys. KJ's lawyers refused.

AEG wants sanctions, further investigations and depositions by a special master.

I truly hope that judge go for sanctions against K & Co and hit them hard where it hurts the most, their pockets.

Also if Katherine asks the estate to pay sanctions, they definitely shouldn't pay it and I hope Lodise steps in as she did earlier when she objected payment for K and her lawyer.
 
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I forgot, thank you Ivy:bow:

Was there anything about Randy's and Jermaine deposition, or did they even bothered to sit their depos yet?
 
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