[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[dmehta]

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a few pages earlier

Unbelievable.

Every instance of accusations made against Mike has always been associated with an extortion attempt, or desire to get money from him. NO ONE has ever accused MJ with a sincere allegation of genuine wrongdoing.

 

[LastTear]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

You can't sue a dead man. You can't have a criminal case against a dead man. So I don't see any other option, but to try extort money from his Estate. I'm not sure how the Estate can even be held liable for that being MJ isn't here to defend himself against such allegations. It's not a claim for past debts owed that I know of, Unless he bundled the molestation allegations with a creditor claim.

Obviously I know this is a different country but here in the UK it has been stated that the 'Saville' victims (a dead celebrity who apparently decades ago abused kids but it's only just come out,he has been deemed as guilty because there were so many who came forward), will share his entire estate. I believe there is some legal matter going on now.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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sounds like his mother in the aeg suit

Austin Brown ?@AustinBrown 9m People lie even ones who you don't expect will do anything for a quick buck. Unfortunately others have to suffer for ones greed.

https://twitter.com/AustinBrown

 

[earthlyme]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

If indeed AEG is involved in this crazy mess, im thinking that Wade's "story" is just to divert the attention from the Jacksons Vs. AEG trial and Wade will get a pay cut from them just for this story, even if it doesn't go to court.

there are sooo many shady and. Corrupted rich ppl. Behind all this and they are too conceited not to blame Michael for everything thats wrong in their lives.

This world did not deserve you Michael... Im glad you're not here to witness more of this effed' up place we call our home... Smdh.

 

[jamba]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

from the document linked above by Last Tear , page 7

I'm not sure I understand it :

what is an "unfiled complaint" (line 19) Is it a criminal complaint ?

DOES 1,2, 3 (line 26) : does it mean there were 3 persons involved in his molestation complaint, or could he be saving some "DOES" for future repressed memories , other people involved that he may not know about at the time of the claim ?

Overall, this document is his request for filing under seal. Does it mean he has not filed ANYTHING yet ? Is he waiting for the court's order to seal before he files his creditor claim and possibly a criminal complaint ?


thanks for the help

'unfiled complaint'--it is not filed as a civil suit--it is filed as a creditor claim to the probate court handling the estate. IMO this means that it is submitted as a claim for damages to probate and it is not initiating a civil suit, which I don't know if that is legally possible on a deceased person?? Or maybe it's possible on the estate of a deceased person?

 

[marebear]

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It's always about the money. I try to tell people that what is all about but they don't want to listen. I would tell people Michael would never do that and to see what these people were doing. If he is praising Michael about 9 months ago and now he id doing this, something is not right. You can't trust people.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Yeah seems the normal thing to do. the estate represents the person. so they get sued instead

Obviously I know this is a different country but here in the UK it has been stated that the 'Saville' victims (a dead celebrity who apparently decades ago abused kids but it's only just come out,he has been deemed as guilty because there were so many who came forward), will share his entire estate. I believe there is some legal matter going on now.

 

[bluetopez]

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Every child abuse allegation against MJ has always been about MONEY, MONEY and more MONEY! That is the the pattern I keep seeing here. And it's SICK!

 

[myosotis]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

I presume he won't just hope for a payday from his claim against the Estate, but also from media outlets, whether newspapers or TV. I hope he has not planned / written a book.......
There really does need to be a law against libelling the deceased.

 

[Moonwalker.Fan]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

yes, this is someone's comment to the TMZ articles..., I wanted to point out to the rest of the comment.

 

[Moonwalker.Fan]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

I DO believe that it has something to do with AEG Live.
They warned and informed the world and the court about the shocking info about MJ ... and this is it...

they want to show the other stars that if they show the opposition against them, they will use anything to blast their careers and destroy their reputaion..., with totally dirty methods...

 

[HIStory]

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Lione Richie's ex-wife

Brenda Harvey Richie ?@BrendaRichie 9h KARMA is HELL People! All the lies being told about Michael are going to come back and bite all of you in the A%S!

 

[Petrarose]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

^^I still do not see any connection to AEG. Sure they warned about dirt, but that was in the context of what they will present in court. Why blame AEG rather than Wade here? I am sure we can find enough factual dirt on AEG to use against them rather than resorting to blaming them for something when we have no facts to back it up. How are we going to use facts to comment under the articles about the Wade story, & then make false allegations against AEG here. We are doing the same thing people are doing to Michael when they make comments that are favoring Wade.

 

[jamba]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson

so and that means...????

That means the SOL has not necessarily run out. That was my reply to Karom's question about the SOL.

 

[loveforever]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

The timing is just too coincident with AEG trial. Especially there is the close tie between AEG and Wade Robson. Also AEG's choice of words in the opening statement and now this...

 

[analogue]

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It's great to see that so many people are seeing through Robson's bull s**t.

 

[MsCassieMollie]

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[MsCassieMollie]

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Austin, Rebbie's son responds:

 

[Petrarose]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

MoonwalkerYeah but I don't see any evidence that AEG made him do this. When Michael was about to start his deal with producing and movies/games didn't the 03 case appear & he and his business people had to let that go? Now did the company that he was going to buy to start this new venture pay the 03 shake downers to do this? Then, when he was touring for Dangerous & the 93 allegations hit, was it people in the government in that country who did not want Michael there, and made the 93 shake downers file that case? The point is there is always coincidences in things if we are looking for it.

 

[amoremotus]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

So the accusation that Katherine Jackson's motive for the trial is just greed is a fact, but we shouldn't assume AEG is behind this molestation BS because there is no proof... Really???

 

[LovingMJ]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

So the accusation that Katherine Jackson's motive for the trial is just greed is a fact, but we shouldn't assume AEG is behind this molestation BS because there is no proof...

There is no proof, that's true.
But it's highly suspicious.

 

[jamba]

The American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for Constitutional Rights issued the following statement [regarded targeted killings] . . . but allegations are not evidence, and the whole point of the Constitution’s due process clause is that a court must distinguish between the two.

http://www.aclu.org/national-securi...ew-york-times-article-killing-anwar-al-aulaqi

The point here applies to MJ and this latest accusation: Accusations are not evidence and the cornerstone of our judicial system and the rule of law is and always will be innocent til proven guilty. That means charged with a crime and found guilty in a court of law by a jury of peers.

This has not happened. All that has happened is an allegation, same as other allegations--none of which have ever been proved in court.

 

[elapentela]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

The timing is just too coincident with AEG trial. Especially there is the close tie between AEG and Wade Robson. Also AEG's choice of words in the opening statement and now this...

And who initiated this no merit lawsuit?

 

[HIStory]

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andjustice4MJ ?@andjustice4some A preliminary google search shows that Wade Robson's attorney has a history of trying cases over intellectual property rights. Interesting

 

[Petrarose]

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andjustice4MJ ?@andjustice4some A preliminary google search shows that Wade Robson's attorney has a history of trying cases over intellectual property rights. Interesting

I wonder if they are thinking they need someone who can determine how much the use of the intellectual property is worth, so they can ask for big bucks?

 

[bouee]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

Of course Wade is at the moment the only one to blame. If we comment on other websites, we should only focus on what he said repeatedly, to the police, at the trial and to the media, because these are the facts.

Now I can't help thinking this coincidence is weird.

If he was pushed by AEG, it didn't take much integrity to just say no. The timing is strange - as Last Tear said, it would have been more efficient to do it right before the trial. Maybe they are behind this, I have a suspicion but no facts. AEG can use that to try and "reduce" the damages if they are found liable.

Or it could be that Robson saw the trial as an opportunity, thinking it would be easier with all the trash going around in the media about Michael since the trial started.

We'll just have to wait and see how it turns out, and maybe we can understand a little bit more with the legal doc Radar published, when Ivy explains it.

 

[bouee]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

I wonder if they are thinking they need someone who can determine how much the use of the intellectual property is worth, so they can ask for big bucks?

Sorry, i don't understand what you mean, can you please explain ?

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Is Robson in some kind of conflict with someone / a company/ over intellectual property ? Maybe this is just is usual lawyer.

 

[qbee]

<header class="entry-header">Jackson Trial: AEG &#8216;Not Planning&#8217; To Call Molestation Accuser Wade Robson To Testify In Wrongful Death Suit

Posted on May 8, 2013 @ 11:30AM | By jenheger
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</header>The Michael Jackson wrongful death [COLOR=blue !important]trial[/COLOR] won&#8217;t hear from choreographer Wade Robson &#8212; the man who filed a creditors claim against the dead singer&#8217;s estate &#8220;for childhood sexual abuse&#8221; &#8212; because concert promoter [COLOR=blue !important]AEG[/COLOR] doesn&#8217;t plans to call him as a witness, RadarOnline.com has learned.


&#8220;AEG has just learned about Wade Robson&#8217;s claims and there doesn&#8217;t seem to be any reason to call him to the stand,&#8221; a source close to the case said. &#8220;Wade doesn&#8217;t bring anything to the case that would bolster AEG&#8217;s case and that they aren&#8217;t responsible for Michael Jackson&#8217;s death.&#8221;


As we previously posted, Robson used a court filing to reverse his previous position that he was never abused by the King of Pop, despite a maid telling the singer&#8217;s 2005 molestation trial that she once saw the dancer with Jackson in the shower.


Howard Weitzman, the lawyer for Jackson&#8217;s estate, fired back at Robson&#8217;s newfound accusations, labeling his claim as &#8220;outrageous and pathetic.&#8221; &#8220;This is a young man who has testified at least twice under oath over the past 20 years and said in numerous interviews that Michael Jackson never did anything inappropriate to him or with him,&#8221; Weitzman told RadarOnline.com.&#8220;Now, nearly four years after Michael has passed, this sad and less than credible claim has been made. We are confident that the court will see this for what it is.&#8221;


Since his childhood scandal, Robson has worked with some of biggest names in music, including Britney Spears, Usher, Pink and &#8216;N Sync. He&#8217;s also appeared on FOX&#8217;s So You Think You Can Dance as both a judge and choreographer.


Katherine Jackson, 82, is suing AEG for up to $40 billions, saying AEG failed to properly screen and supervise cardiologist Dr. Conrad Murray.

 

[Moonwalker.Fan]

The American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for Constitutional Rights issued the following statement [regarded targeted killings] . . . but allegations are not evidence, and the whole point of the Constitution&#8217;s due process clause is that a court must distinguish between the two.

http://www.aclu.org/national-securi...ew-york-times-article-killing-anwar-al-aulaqi

The point here applies to MJ and this latest accusation: Accusations are not evidence and the cornerstone of our judicial system and the rule of law is and always will be innocent til proven guilty. That means charged with a crime and found guilty in a court of law by a jury of peers.

This has not happened. All that has happened is an allegation, same as other allegations--none of which have ever been proved in court.

In Michael Jacksons case, its IRRELEVANT!

Its Michael Jackson and in the public opinion he has to be guilty.
In MJs case, accusations made him suspicious, and support all the circumstances falsely made to cover something...
He could have been found not guilty and nothing has ever been proved, but the thing is there are/were possibilities and circumstancies that allowed some people to exploit them against Michael, repeatedly.

 

[MsCassieMollie]

Re: [TMZ/ CNN ] New child molestation claim by Wade Robson/ Estate weighs in Pg16 - Pst#230

Omarion Rips Wade Robson -- 'Maybe He Needs Extra Change' | TMZ.com

Sorry if already posted:

Omarion Rips Wade Robson -- 'Maybe He Needs Extra Change' | TMZ.com

OMARION - RIPS WADE ROBSON
'Maybe He Needs Some Extra Change'

Wade Robson's new sexual abuse claim against Michael Jackson is just plain "whack" ... this according to Omarion, who tells TMZ he thinks Wade might be lying to make a quick buck.

The R&B superstar was out at Supperclub in Hollywood last night, when we broke the news to the singer about Wade's new allegation -- that MJ sexually abused him as a child.

"I can't believe that ... I can't believe you would sue a dead man," Omarion said.

Omarion says Robson -- a hugely successful dance choreographer -- might simply be looking for a quick payday. O then goes on to defend MJ.

So, we gotta ask ...