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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate [Wade atty pst #406]

I don't trust Shaffer or Norman Scherer. Shaffer was in a NY Post article to talk about Michael having a collection of Nazi films.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate [Wade atty pst #406]

My friend at work mentioned about this to me today. I was worried what she might say (she likes Michael) and she said "you know why can't people just leave him alone already. It's about the money". For the first time in the last few days I felt a little better. I said to her if you were really abused by someone you don't file a creditors claim asking for money. This has been heavy on my heart but it was nice to hear someone tell me that today.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate [Wade atty pst #406]

Im surprised, but extremely happy, that so far no major media outlet in my country have not reported a thing about these new allegations. Ive gone online on both more 'serious media' and tabloid media and there are nothing mentioned. I hope the media can finally see for what this is.
 
Joy Robson's 2005 Testimony :

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15 Q. And then from that point, from September of

16 1991 up till, let’s just say, September 1993 -

17 okay? – the time frame involved, you and your son

18 spent a great deal of time with Michael Jackson, you

19 were around him a lot, correct?

20 A. I don’t think so.

21 Q. You were not at the ranch on a number of

22 occasions during 1991?

23 A. My memory is in the entire time we’ve lived

24 here since 1991, we’ve only been at the ranch with

25 Michael on four occasions in 14 years.

26 Q. Four occasions?

27 A. Every other time we’ve been here without

28 him.

1 Q. Would that be the same for your son?

2 A. Yes.

3 Q. So –

4 A. He came one — all the time by himself.

5 Q. You testified that you’ve been out at the

6 ranch on an average of about four times?

7 A. Four times a year, but Michael was never

8 there.

11 Q. He’s never there when you go there?

12 A. Very rarely. I can only remember four times

13 in 14 years that we’ve been there with him since we

14 have lived here.

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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate [Wade atty pst #406]

Frankyboy5 said:
I don't trust Shaffer or Norman Scherer. Shaffer was in a NY Post article to talk about Michael having a collection of Nazi films.
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I don't understand what the big issue is about that. Michael as we all know, was a highly intelligent man, he knew his history and loved exploring was an avid reader, and a big collector of movies. I've seen Mikchael shop for films on various clips where he has picked up box sets only. could theese be boxets he wanted to watch? Certanly. Also, we all know he loved everthing military, from clothing to marching, this was all incorporated into his shorts/concert. Could be for inspiration, could be he wanted to know the nazi history. Alot of people read watch Nazi documentary. It simply means to study.. doesn't make him one. The problem with that story was how the media angled the whole case.

EDIT: Sorry for going off topic.. it's just that, that one incident with shaffer doesnt mean he isnt credible, in this case.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate [Wade atty pst #406]

Muchos said:
I don't understand what the big issue is about that. Michael as we all know, was a highly intelligent man, he knew his history and loved exploring was an avid reader, and a big collector of movies. I've seen Mikchael shop for films on various clips where he has picked up box sets only. could theese be boxets he wanted to watch? Certanly. Also, we all know he loved everthing military, from clothing to marching, this was all incorporated into his shorts/concert. Could be for inspiration, could be he wanted to know the nazi history. Alot of people read watch Nazi documentary. It simply means to study.. doesn't make him one. The problem with that story was how the media angled the whole case.



EDIT: Sorry for going off topic.. it's just that, that one incident with shaffer doesnt mean he isnt credible, in this case.
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Yes , and plus the history march was inspired by hitler..
 
respect77;3821313 said:
Joy Robson's 2005 Testimony :

Quote:
15 Q. And then from that point, from September of

16 1991 up till, let&#8217;s just say, September 1993 -

17 okay? &#8211; the time frame involved, you and your son

18 spent a great deal of time with Michael Jackson, you

19 were around him a lot, correct?

20 A. I don&#8217;t think so.

21 Q. You were not at the ranch on a number of

22 occasions during 1991?

23 A. My memory is in the entire time we&#8217;ve lived

24 here since 1991, we&#8217;ve only been at the ranch with

25 Michael on four occasions in 14 years.

26 Q. Four occasions?

27 A. Every other time we&#8217;ve been here without

28 him.

1 Q. Would that be the same for your son?

2 A. Yes.

3 Q. So &#8211;

4 A. He came one &#8212; all the time by himself.

5 Q. You testified that you&#8217;ve been out at the

6 ranch on an average of about four times?

7 A. Four times a year, but Michael was never

8 there.

11 Q. He&#8217;s never there when you go there?

12 A. Very rarely. I can only remember four times

13 in 14 years that we&#8217;ve been there with him since we

14 have lived here.

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Good Job !!!!!!! Thank you so much for finding this part. Send this off to the estate too, because if Wade was molested she would be right there all the time. Further the lawyer gives the impression that Wade was molested several times within that period. People forget about documentation.

Muchos I agree. I read some old, old books on my own about the Nazis that I found in someone's home, but I am not one. I wanted to see how they saw themselves & what their political thinking was all about from their point of view.

I still think House would be good to recall where Michael was & if Wade was there at the same time, especially now that we see according to Joy that Michael was rarely there. That is the thing with Neverland, a lot of times when the kids were there, Michael was not.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate [Wade atty pst #406]

@themidwestcowboy.
Actually the very first opening shot of the marching men, marching towards (front camera) is an exact replica shot from a fred astarie performance, the rest i agree with you could be inspiration, but all military march like that and they have done so for centuries. It shows power, unity, dicipline.
 
respect77;3821313 said:
Joy Robson's 2005 Testimony :

Quote:
15 Q. And then from that point, from September of

16 1991 up till, let&#8217;s just say, September 1993 -

17 okay? &#8211; the time frame involved, you and your son

18 spent a great deal of time with Michael Jackson, you

19 were around him a lot, correct?

20 A. I don&#8217;t think so.

21 Q. You were not at the ranch on a number of

22 occasions during 1991?

23 A. My memory is in the entire time we&#8217;ve lived

24 here since 1991, we&#8217;ve only been at the ranch with

25 Michael on four occasions in 14 years.

26 Q. Four occasions?

27 A. Every other time we&#8217;ve been here without

28 him.

1 Q. Would that be the same for your son?

2 A. Yes.

3 Q. So &#8211;

4 A. He came one &#8212; all the time by himself.

5 Q. You testified that you&#8217;ve been out at the

6 ranch on an average of about four times?

7 A. Four times a year, but Michael was never

8 there.

11 Q. He&#8217;s never there when you go there?

12 A. Very rarely. I can only remember four times

13 in 14 years that we&#8217;ve been there with him since we

14 have lived here.

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Good find. Thank you.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate [Wade atty pst #406]

Petrarose said:
Good Job !!!!!!! Thank you so much for finding this part. Send this off to the estate too, because if Wade was molested she would be right there all the time. Further the lawyer gives the impression that Wade was molested several times within that period. People forget about documentation.

I still think House would be good to recall where Michael was & if Wade was there at the same time, especially now that we see according to Joy that Michael was rarely there. That is the think with Neverland, a lot of times when the kids were there, Michael was not.
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MJ did visit them at their house too though, don't know how often that was.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate [Wade atty pst #406]

If Michael is such a 'Monster' then why does Wade Robson's sister Chantal Robson list him as her favourite 'Likes' on 2 occasions on her Facebook page right now?? I cannot upload the screen shots on here using my iPhone.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate [Wade atty pst #406]

Just keep remembering 4 times in 14 years!!!!! Mom was older than the child then, & she would have a better idea of the number of times, regardless of repressed memory that woke up a year ago. This is the same thing that House said above, that the family was hardly there. Gee that bit of information really lifted up my spirits. Keep digging Respect.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate [Wade atty pst #406]

la_cienega said:
MJ did visit them at their house too though, don't know how often that was.
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Did they say anything about his house or Neverland? I am still positive someone will know where Michel was. It is even more stupid if he claims Michael left his huge home where they could be secretive & went to a tiny house where his family lived to molest him during a visit.

OOPS: Sorry for the double post.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate [Wade atty pst #406]

LindavG said:
I don't know about other countries but here in The Netherlands, this is hardly a news item.
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Vici said:
Im surprised, but extremely happy, that so far no major media outlet in my country have not reported a thing about these new allegations.
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Nothing in Spain so far. No mentions in TV, radio, newspapers or internet news outlets.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate [Wade atty pst #406]

Petrarose said:
Did they say anything about his house or Neverland? I am still positive someone will know where Michel was. It is even more stupid if he claims Michael left his huge home where they could be secretive & went to a tiny house where his family lived to molest him during a visit.

OOPS: Sorry for the double post.
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I don't remember if they mentioned his house, but MJ did visit them there.

And yeah, MJ seemed to do a lot of stupidly open things with the kids he molested, like not having this Wade BS on an airtight agreement.

I remember Wade sold some of MJ things he had in an auction in either 2009 or 2010, his hat and some other things, anyone have a link?

So if Wade's known for a year, why submit the claim only in last 60 days? Wouldn't that mean the "new evidence" that came to light was known for longer than 60 days?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate [Wade atty pst #406]

Given Joy's testimony in 2005, Michael wasn't even in Neverland most of the times when they visited the ranch. I find even more outrageous his family believes him. How the hell could Michael abused him for many years as he said if they didn't spend too much time together? :doh:
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate [Wade atty pst #406]

Because she said she left him alone with MJ during the night a number of times.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate [Wade atty pst #406]

^she must try to convince herself by sayin that before others..
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate [Wade atty pst #406]

I just hope the media arent quiet cause they are waiting for the gory details to re leaked or released
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate [Wade atty pst #406]

shelly_webster said:
Joy Robson said that during the 2005 trial.
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i meant that if she was referring to if there has happened somethin when she left them alone she must believe it herself first before sayin it ou loud
 
respect77;3821313 said:
Joy Robson's 2005 Testimony :

Quote:
15 Q. And then from that point, from September of

16 1991 up till, let’s just say, September 1993 -

17 okay? – the time frame involved, you and your son

18 spent a great deal of time with Michael Jackson, you

19 were around him a lot, correct?

20 A. I don’t think so.

21 Q. You were not at the ranch on a number of

22 occasions during 1991?

23 A. My memory is in the entire time we’ve lived

24 here since 1991, we’ve only been at the ranch with

25 Michael on four occasions in 14 years.

26 Q. Four occasions?

27 A. Every other time we’ve been here without

28 him.

1 Q. Would that be the same for your son?

2 A. Yes.

3 Q. So –

4 A. He came one — all the time by himself.

5 Q. You testified that you’ve been out at the

6 ranch on an average of about four times?

7 A. Four times a year, but Michael was never

8 there.

11 Q. He’s never there when you go there?

12 A. Very rarely. I can only remember four times

13 in 14 years that we’ve been there with him since we

14 have lived here.

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It's confusing his testimony. He lived in the ranch from 1991 to Sept 1993, that's two years and a half. Then he says in 14 years, he's been with MJ on only four occasions. Was MJ from 1991 to Sept 1993 in Neverland only four times? I didn't get what he meant here.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate [Wade atty pst #406]

kissybissy said:
It's confusing his testimony. He lived in the ranch from 1991 to Sept 1993, that's two years and a half. Then he says in 14 years, he's been with MJ on only four occasions. Was MJ from 1991 to Sept 1993 in Neverland only four times? I didn't get what he meant here.
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MJ moved a lot and in 1992-1993 he was on tour.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate [Wade atty pst #406]

seany said:
Does anyone know if Wade was at Michaels funeral?
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I've heard he was, and at the memorial.
kissybissy said:
It's confusing his testimony. He lived in the ranch from 1991 to Sept 1993, that's two years and a half. Then he says in 14 years, he's been with MJ on only four occasions. Was MJ from 1991 to Sept 1993 in Neverland only four times? I didn't get what he meant here.
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They didn't live at Neverland, when she says "lived here" she means in LA.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate [Wade atty pst #406]

So 4 times in fourteen years. yet the abuse went on for seven years! any testimony about how
much time mj spent at their
house as they i doubt that was much either if they spent so little time with mj at the ranch. mj must have been a quick worker itmr is joy gonna say she commited perjury. to know him is to love him was joys quote during testimony
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate [Wade atty pst #406]

It's alleged in these latest court documents that Wade was first abused when he was 8 years old. He was 5 when he first met Michael. So what year did this bullshit abuse (not actually) happen?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate [Wade atty pst #406]

elusive moonwalker said:
I just hope the media arent quiet cause they are waiting for the gory details to re leaked or released
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I think they could be waiting for the complaint to be released or leaked. And if the judge allows this to go forward, the court might have to release the complaint. But I hope that does not happen.
 
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