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although if an insurance firm wants to settle then they will u have no choice. car insurance is a good example. have an accident and the other side claims fake wiplash and they will settle in a second no matter if the injury is b.s. you have no choice whether u agree with your carrier settling or not
I believe the biggest question is why did he call Wade to testify in 2005 if he molested him. How can you be so sure of your brain washing technic?
I honestly think a lot of MJ's fate hate also to do with the general political climate in the US - both in 93 and 2005. Hysteria over Clinton. Please imagine France going nuts over Mitterand's mistresses.
bouee;3826693 said:HUh when in the heck did lmp sue michael?
He said that today? Was he talking to somebody?
HUh when in the heck did lmp sue michael?
You see how sick and twisted criminals are. They take the innocence, a lost puppy, or character's from a Disney Movie, to get a victim to trust them. Then they go in for the kill/crime.
[h=1]Former Protégé Vouches for *****[/h] Published April 07, 2005
FoxNews.com
No matter who testifies next in Michael Jackson's alleged "prior acts" of sexual abuse mini-trial, the prosecution will have to deal with the fact that only one boy will show up to say he was molested many years ago by the pop star.
Now comes Robert Newt, 30, long a "Holy Grail" for The National Enquirer from its investigation into Jackson circa 1993.
Newt and his twin brother Ronald Newt Jr. (now deceased) were aspiring performers and spent two weeks as guests in the Jackson family home in Encino, Calif., around 1985. They were about 11 years old. This all occurred before Neverland was completed. Michael, Janet Jackson and LaToya Jackson were all there, as well as the Jackson parents.
Fast-forward to December 1993. The National Enquirer, desperate to get a scoop that Jackson has abused children, heard that the Newt kids once spent time with Jackson.
The tabloid offered the Newts' father, Ronald Newt Sr., $200,000 to say that something happened between his kids and Jackson.
Newt, a San Francisco "character" and filmmaker whose past includes pimping and jail time, considered the offer.
A contract was drawn up, signed by Enquirer editor David Perel. Enquirer reporter Jim Mitteager, who is also now deceased, met with Newt and his son at the Marriott hotel in downtown San Francisco.
It seemed that all systems were go. But the Newts declined the offer at the last minute.
Ron Newt Sr., to whom $200,000 would have seemed like the world on a silver platter, wrote "No good sucker" where his signature was supposed to go. The reason: Nothing ever happened between Jackson and the Newt boys.
Indeed, no kids, no matter how much money was dangled by the tabloids, ever showed up to trade stories of Jackson malfeasance for big lumps of cash after the first scandal broke in 1993.
"Maybe there aren't any other kids," a current Enquirer editor conceded.
I met Bobby Newt yesterday near the office where he works as a mortgage broker in suburban Los Angeles.
Just as his dad promised me a few days earlier, he's a good-looking kid. He's half black and half Chinese.
Robert and his twin brother were likely very cute kids. They have the same features as other boys advertised as alleged Neverland "victims." But all Bobby Newt remembers of his encounter with Jackson is good times.
And all he remembers about the man from The National Enquirer is that he wanted Bobby, then 18, to lie.
"He said, 'Say he grabbed you on the butt. Say he grabbed you and touched you in any kind of way,'" Newt said. "He told us he took all these people down. Now he was going to take Michael down. That he would really destroy him. He told us he took all these other famous people down. All the major people that had scandals against them. He said, 'We take these people down. That's what we do.'"
Prior to Bobby's meeting with Mitteager, Bobby's father met with him and brought along an intermediary, San Francisco politician, businessman and fellow jailbird Charlie Walker.
Walker is infamous in San Francisco circles for being "hooked up" to anything interesting cooking on the West Coast.
"My dad said these dudes are offering this money to take Michael Jackson down. And the guy [Mitteager] said, 'Say he touched you. All you have to do is say it. But you might have to take the stand. You might have to go on 'Oprah' in front of all these people. You have to be prepared for this thing. Just say it. And we'll give you money,'" Newt said.
Two pieces of evidence confirm the Newts' story. One is the actual contract proffered by the Enquirer and signed by Perel, who declined to comment for this story.
The contract, written as a letter, says it's an agreement between the tabloid and the Newts for their exclusive story regarding "your relationship with and knowledge of Michael Jackson, and his sexuality, your knowledge of Michael Jackson's sexual contact and attempts at sexual contact with Robert Newt and others."
Mitteager expected them to sign, even though it was completely untrue and there was, in fact, no story.
He knew you were lying, I reminded Bobby Newt.
"Exactly! And he didn't care! He was like, 'Just say it and we'll give you the money.' And I was like, 'He [Jackson] never touched me!" Newt said. "He [Mitteager] was really fishing and really digging. Think about it — most people you say it to, 'We'll give you this money,' even [if it's not true]. And they'd take it."
Bobby Newt recalled more details of the 30-minute meeting with The National Enquirer's reporter:
"He was trying to coach me — if I decided to take the money, what would happen. He said 'You know, it's going to be a huge scandal. You'll probably have a lot of people not liking you. You're going to be famous!' But to me, you'd be ruined. And the truth is Michael didn't do anything even close to trying to molest us."
Ironically, the second piece of evidence also backs up the Newts' story. Unbeknownst to them, they were taped by Mitteager.
I told you last week that Mitteager did more surreptitious taping than Richard Nixon. When he died, the tapes were left to Hollywood investigator Paul Barresi. His dozens of hours of tapes include a conversation between Mitteager, Ron Newt Sr. and Charlie Walker.
When I read some of the transcript back to Newt the other day, he was shocked.
"I said all that," he observed, surprised to have his memory prodded some 12 years later.
Back in the mid-'80s, Ron Newt Sr. put his three sons together as a singing group much as Joseph Jackson did. He called them The Newtrons.
After much pushing, he got the attention of Joe Jackson, who agreed to manage the group. Joe Jackson got the Newtrons a showcase at the Roxy in West Hollywood.
Michael showed up and loved them. The result was a two-week stay for the boys at the Encino house on Hayvenhurst Ave., where they were supposed to work on their music.
"We would see Michael in passing. We didn't see him, maybe, because he was working on an album. We saw him downstairs in the kitchen and we talked to him," he said.
The Newtrons eventually got a record contract and recorded the Jackson 5 hit "I Want You Back" at Hayvenhurst. They also spent the night at Tito Jackson's house. But nothing about what Bobby Newt hears now about himself or others makes sense.
"I don't know what to believe. He had prime time with me and my brother in the guest room for two weeks," he said. "And he didn't try anything."
As a footnote to all of this: In the small world of the Los Angeles music business, Bobby Newt recently worked with choreographer and alleged Jackson "victim" Wade Robson on tracks for his first album, a potential hit compendium of original R&B ballads.
Jackson's former maid Blanca Francia implicated Robson in the case during Monday's testimony. Robson is not testifying for the prosecution.
"Wade is straight as they come. He's getting married. And nothing ever happened to him, either," Newt said.
He shakes his head, thinking about those who have made claims against Jackson.
"You have to look at these people, go back and see when their relationship with Michael fractured. The calls stopped coming," he said.
And Newt should know. After the adventure in 1985, the Newts never saw Jackson again. It didn't bother them, Bobby says, as much as it might have others.
"They probably didn't like it. And this is their way of getting back at him," he said.
Why the heck has no one ever made a comprehensive documentary that doesn't attempt to be biased and that emphatically displays how ridiculous these allegations were/are? There's a mountain of evidence to slam dunk these accusations into utter falsehood, and frankly it's a fascinating story - all these shady characters.
I genuinely think the general public would be shocked at how misled they had been were they given any number of these facts that do the round on these fanboards.
I find it baffling how intelligent, normaly people that I know in life pride themselves at looking behind the curtain on major stories and events...yet when it comes to MJ everyone seems conditioned to believe the 'yeah he was weird' thus potentially criminal line. And if we ever have anything to say about it it's considered biased fan rambling that cannot be taken seriously.
Sorry for the rant but it's unbelievable.
A real in-depth documentary that examines all the supposed timelines - and the genuine ones - and all these vagabonds and charlatans and Hard Copy and the National Enquirer - the whole lot. I could see that doing really well at box office. Someone read this and get to it.
I replied this on the discussion thread but I'll reply here again.
As far as the AEG trial goes, I don't think this new allegations bring anything to AEG. Why you will ask?
- Jury is sworn in, they should not be paying attention to the media
- These allegations should not be a factor in trial unless they are introduced as evidence - but there are no attempts to do so
- Actual accusations, number of them etc. is irrelevant to AEG defense. They only wanted to mention the allegations to argue they affected Michael's income capacity and as a reason for Michael's drug use. They have everything they need with 93 and 05 allegations.
I would agree that the new Wade Robson allegations is a distraction - but mainly for the fans and not necessarily for the public. In my opinion public do not care for either the lawsuit or the allegations. There have been a number of stories about the allegations but it would slow down - and looks like already did. AEG trial is estimated to take 4 to 5 months, Wade's allegations would not get that much media time. So in my opinion at best from AEG's perspective the allegations were a short term distraction.
YOu can NOT buy your way out of a criminial trial especially if you did something. Even if a person does not want to talk, the STATE will pick it up with the evidence they have. I get tired of some people saying "he/she brought his/her way of a criminal court" not unless the JUDGE, the JURY, the WHOLE POLICE DEpt, and DA office is brought out.Well, it does and it doesn't. It's just difficult to explain. Sometimes MJ fans jump on sound bites, too.
For example, I got hit by a car so hard that I had enough movement to total 3 other cars. The driver didn't admit any guilt - police officer comes along and determines driver at fault. That piece of paper then is what the insurance holds up.
I was offered a settlement (miiiinor) by the driver's insurance and it clearly stated that by cashing this check I will not be able to bring any claims toward the INSURANCE. To determine the amount etc is up to the adjuster (*shudder*, they love calling you out of the blue and want to tape the phone call and then watch out...), usually that is medical bills etc. (in this part of the US you can't even go to your regular Doctor for any car accident injuries because of liabilities and financies), not the insured.
I'm sure that MJ isn't exactly Joe Smith from Idaho, though. So in a sense it makes sense and it doesn't. I just don't think it's necessarily the best sound bite to hang onto since it's hard to explain - and since none of us were in the office of that insurance - hard to say.
I think MJ fans stand more chances at reasoning that a settlement is not an admission of guilt - and that an insurance settlement HAD NO BEARING on criminal charges that could have been filed against Michael. I think that distinction is more important because many people still think that Michael 'bought' his way out of a criminal trial - he didn't.
There also seems to be the difficulty of understanding that a criminal trial isn't the same as a civil trial. So perhaps working that angle is more promising than harping on Michael's views on that.
Why the heck has no one ever made a comprehensive documentary that doesn't attempt to be biased and that emphatically displays how ridiculous these allegations were/are? There's a mountain of evidence to slam dunk these accusations into utter falsehood, and frankly it's a fascinating story - all these shady characters.
I genuinely think the general public would be shocked at how misled they had been were they given any number of these facts that do the round on these fanboards.
I find it baffling how intelligent, normaly people that I know in life pride themselves at looking behind the curtain on major stories and events...yet when it comes to MJ everyone seems conditioned to believe the 'yeah he was weird' thus potentially criminal line. And if we ever have anything to say about it it's considered biased fan rambling that cannot be taken seriously.
Sorry for the rant but it's unbelievable.
A real in-depth documentary that examines all the supposed timelines - and the genuine ones - and all these vagabonds and charlatans and Hard Copy and the National Enquirer - the whole lot. I could see that doing really well at box office. Someone read this and get to it.