[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Again, attributed to Daniel Hernandez ‏@Myster_D

I just had an interesting thought about the situation with Wade Robson. Now on May 15th, TMZ reported that Wade Robson filed a civil lawsuit in which he is suing DOE 1, an individual, DOE 2, a California corporation, DOE 3, a California corporation, and DOES 4-50, inclusive (which, according to what I’ve read, is the legal term for defendants who have not yet been identified by the plaintiff). Here is a link to the article: http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/15/wade-...to-prove-molestation/?adid=cr_featured_saga_1. The article features a picture of the face page of the complaint which shows that it was filed on May 10th, three days after TMZ first broke the news of the allegations and that Wade had filed a creditor’s claim against the Michael Jackson Estate on May 1st. According to the article, the identities of DOE 1, DOE 2 and DOE 3 are as follows; the executors of the Michael Jackson Estate (John Branca and John McClain), MJJ Productions (Michael's record label which hired Wade when he was 11), and MJJ Ventures (which produced Michael's music videos). The identities of DOES 4-50, however, still remain unknown. According to the artice, Wade is suing the aforementioned parties on the grounds that they are liable for the alleged sexual abuse he says he suffered at the hands of Michael Jackson. For example, the article states that the two corporations (MJJ Productions and MJJ Ventures) may have been responsible for bringing Mr. Robson to the United States from Australia and therefore it is more than likely that Mr. Robson will argue that they were responsible for protecting him.

The next part has some parts from the original post

' At this point, I feel it is important to discuss Wade Robson’s recent interview with Matt Lauer on the Today Show. In this interview, Mr. Robson alleged that Michael Jackson had sexually abused him for seven years starting from the ages of seven to fourteen. Being that Wade Robson was born on September 17, 1982, the time span of this alleged abuse would have been from 1989 to 1996. Mr. Robson also said that the memories of this alleged abuse were not repressed and that he had always remembered it, despite earlier reports saying otherwise. He also claimed to have suffered two nervous breakdowns during the first 18 months of his son’s life. Being that his son was born in November 2010, the time span of these alleged breakdowns would have to have been anywhere from late 2010 to early 2012. However it is within this time span that Mr. Robson continued to speak positively about Michael Jackson, such as in the interview seen in the following link; http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mWtvYzsbtjc. He also spoke positively about Michael Jackson in an interview (dated July 13, 2012) months after the allotted time span of his alleged breakdowns. The interview can be seen in the following link; http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vWazdCJxTFI
On the Today Show interview, he claims that his reasons for coming forward with his allegations were not motivated by money (and that he would not put his family under such an ordeal just for the sake of money), despite the fact that he filed both a creditors claim and the civil lawsuit mentioned above, but rather to speak his truth and to heal. Now, if we are to believe that Mr. Robson is being completely honest thus far, then shouldn’t his motives for filing a civil lawsuit in addition to his creditor’s claim likewise be honest? If this is truly his way of healing and making those responsible for his protection answer for their failure to keep him safe, then logic would dictate that he should also be taking action against his mother, Joy Robson. Thus far, however, this does not appear to be the case.

While Joy Robson has yet to publicly address her son’s allegations, Chantal Robson is now supporting her brother’s claims (via Facebook and Twitter) despite the fact that she, like her brother and mother, testified in Michael’s defense. Now it is important to note that Joy and Chantal also became friends with Michael Jackson and, like Wade, remained friends for years up until his death in 2009. Like Wade, they also came to his defense during the child molestation scandals. For instance, on page 155 of Jermaine Jackson’s book “You Are Not Alone”, he describes how Joy was approached by a journalist by the name of Victor Gutierrez (who has a history of slandering Michael Jackson) in 1992. Gutierrez explained that he was investigating Michael Jackson for being a pedophile and after taking his card, Joy immediately called Michael’s office. On page 159 of Jermaine’s book, he also mentions that Joy was approached by the National Enquirer and offered a six figure sum to say that her son was molested by Michael. She refused to accept the offer. In addition to that, Joy defended Michael in a deposition conducted in 1993 during the first investigation. In a CNN interview from 1993 (which can be seen in the following link; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLT3gncZW2k), Joy and Chantal, as well as Wade, staunchly defend Michael and deny any wrongdoing on his part. Chantal even goes so far as to say that she slept in the same bed as Michael and that she knew he wouldn’t do anything to hurt her brother. Joy, likewise, states that she had been in Michael’s bedroom with the children and that she saw nothing inappropriate happen. When asked if it seemed unusual for a 34 year old man to have children sleeping over, she stated that it would under normal circumstances, but not so in Michael’s case when taking his background into consideration. Chantal and Joy again defended Michael during the 2005 trial and, like Wade, testified in his defense. Transcripts of their testimonies can be found in the following links; http://michaeljacksonvindication2.w...hantal-robsons-testimony-from-the-2005-trial/, http://michaeljacksonvindication2.w...of-joy-robsons-testimony-from-the-2005-trial/.

In her testimony during the 2005 trial, Chantal Robson stated that she stayed in Michael Jackson’s room along with her brother on more than one occasion and that she had never seen anything improper occur. When directly asked if she had ever seen Michael Jackson abuse her brother in any way or if she suspected that any abuse had occurred, she answered no to both questions. She also stated that her parents were aware that she and her brother stayed with Michael in his room and that they had no reservations about it. She also testified that she had never been restricted from entering Michael’s room and when asked if she felt that Michael Jackson had an ulterior motive for helping her family relocate to the United States, her answer was no. When asked if she felt it was inappropriate for a child to sleep in the same bed as an unrelated adult, she said that it was appropriate as long the person was a friend. She was also asked that were she to have a 7 year old boy, would she then allow him to sleep in the same bed as a 35 year old man. She answered that she would so long as she trusted the person. When asked about what would happen during the times that Wade would be alone with Michael, she stated that although she was not personally there, she knew nothing inappropriate had happened based on what her brother, and others, told her. She was then asked if there would be a great deal of guilt associated with family or parents that allowed their child to associate with an adult who had molested them. Her answer was that there would be anger rather than guilt, and that they would do whatever they could to not have that person around. When asked if that would be something they’d want to avoid doing, her answer was no and that it would be something they would want to deal with. When asked if she believed that her brother had a good friendship with Michael Jackson, she answered yes, and when asked if she saw a problem with that, she answered no. When asked if her brother and Michael Jackson had a special bond, her answer was that their bond was like that of any other friend. When asked if she and her mother had a special bond with Michael Jackson, she answered yes because they were friends and were there for each other. She was then asked whether or not she was comfortable with the fact that children slept in Michael Jackson’s room to which she answered yes because she trusted him. When asked to explain why, she said it was because of a feeling she had and that he was a friend and that he never made her feel like she shouldn’t trust him. When directly asked if she had ever thought her brother was a victim of child molestation, she said that she did not. When asked to explain why, she said that had something happened to her brother, he would have told her. When directly asked if she had ever thought that Michael had molested her brother, her answer was no. When asked if she felt guilty about anything involving her relationship with Michael Jackson, her answer was no because she had no reason to. During the trial, the prosecution alleged that Wade had been molested by Michael after hearing testimony from Blanca Francia, a former maid at Neverland (who was fired for theft and tardiness in 1991 and sold false stories about Michael to the media) who alleged that she had seen inappropriate behavior between Wade and Michael. In her testimony, Chantal states that she had discussed these allegations with her brother and that he had said they were not true. She was again asked if she felt that Michael Jackson would ever harm a child and again she said no. When asked again why she trusted Michael Jackson she said it was because he had been her friend for years, he had never turned his back on her family and vice versa, and that she and her family loved him.

In her testimony during the 2005 trial, Joy Robson acknowledged that she and her children were frequent guests at Neverland. She acknowledged having been in Michael’s room and that she had given her children permission to stay in Michael’s room and had no objections to it. When asked if she had ever seen anything inappropriate occur between Michael and her son during a trip to Las Vegas or at Neverland, she said she never saw any such thing. She also said she had no problems with the relationship between her children and Michael. She also refuted Blanca Francia’s claim that she had seen Wade and Michael showering together and stated that she never saw anything like that happen. She again acknowledged the fact that her children would be alone with Michael and that she didn’t have a problem with it. She also acknowledged that promoting her son’s career was not the basis of her friendship with Michael as the prosecution suggested. She also acknowledged that she was aware of the fact that Michael Jackson had been investigated for child molestation in 1993 in response to Jordan Chandler’s allegations. When asked if she had any concerns that Michael Jackson might manipulate her son, she said she had none because she knew him. When asked why she trusted Michael, she explained that she had known him for a long time, had spent hours talking to him about everything, and felt like he was a member of her own family. She also said that she knew him very well and that she trusted him, and that she trusted him with her children. She explained that Michael was a very special person with a unique personality who had a very pure love for children, and that to know him is to love him and to trust him. She also explained that one of the reasons why she let her son spend time with Michael was because her son wanted to work in the entertainment industry and that Michael would be the best person to teach him valuable information on the matter. She maintains, however, that they were friends first and foremost. She also explains that another reason why she let her son spend time with Michael was because they enjoyed spending time together and that they had similar traits. When asked if she ever lost her trust in Michael during any point that her son was with him, her answer was no. When asked if Michael ever did anything that made her suspicious about his behavior towards her son, her answer was no. When asked if Michael ever did anything that made her suspicious about his behavior towards her daughter, again her answer was no. When asked if she felt that there was something unusual or criminal about his relationships with other children, her answer was no. When asked why she allowed her son to spend evenings with Michael, she explained that during those occasions, they’d be awake for hours having fun until they eventually fell asleep. She even said that she also did that with Michael on more than one occasion. When asked if she was ever concerned that Michael was manipulating her or her children, her answer was no. She also said that she was able to freely walk in and out of Michael’s bedroom and that she had never been restricted from going in there. When asked if she felt that Michael had an ulterior motive for wanting to help her family, her answer was no. When asked if she owed Michael anything, her answer was no. Overall, her testimony is very similar to Chantal’s. In addition, after Michael was acquitted on all counts, Joy said the following in an article (which can be found here; http://www.theage.com.au/news/Peopl...-defence-case/2005/06/14/1118645780742.html); “We just feel so vindicated right across the board. We were crying and screaming and crying and screaming.” “We all believed ultimately the truth would come out.” “I’ve never questioned Michael, that's the bottom line. I've never ever had a second of a concern” "I've always said to Michael `I wished the world could know the Michael we do'.” "He's not what the media makes him out to be”.

In conclusion, both Chantal and Joy Robson made it abundantly clear that they trusted Michael Jackson completely and that throughout the course of their friendship they never saw or suspected anything that would suggest he violated that trust as Wade is now alleging. With his allegations, not only has Wade completely contradicted his previous statements and testimony (before and after Michael’s death), but Joy’s and Chantal’s as well. Were they to recant their previous testimonies and now start claiming that they had noticed something, not only would they have perjured themselves (destroying their credibility, like Wade has, despite the fact that the statute of limitations has run out), they'd be guilty of obstructing justice. Therefore, I find it unlikely that they would put themselves in that postion. How then does one explain the huge discrepancy between what they have previously said with what Wade is now alleging? If Wade is to be believed, why did Joy and Chantal continuously deny that Michael had ever harmed Wade, and denied having ever suspected him of doing so, if they weren’t completely certain that nothing had happened? If Wade is to be believed, how did Joy or Chantal not notice any signs of abuse from Wade considering the fact that he was living with them during the seven year time span of the alleged abuse? If Wade is to be believed, why would his mother allow him to spend time with Michael even after he was accused of and investigated for child molestation in 1993 if she thought for one second that he might be guilty or even capable of such a thing. In my opinion, any responsible parent in that situation would take a step back and reevaluate the nature of the relationship between that person and their child and would not allow him/her to continue associating with that person unless they were completely sure of their innocence. Are we to believe then that Michael brainwashed and/or manipulated Joy and Chantal, something which they denied, in the same way that Wade alleges he had been? If Wade is telling the truth, then in my opinion, there are only two possible scenarios that would explain Joy and Chantal’s continuous support and approval of Michael and his relationship with Wade. The first scenario would be that Michael somehow managed to conceal his alleged abuse of Wade from everyone (including several parties such as the FBI who investigated him for years, including most of the seven years that Wade alleged he was abused), including his mother and sister despite their close proximity and relationship to both parties. If that were the case, Joy is culpable for Wade’s alleged abuse since she allowed him to be alone with Michael and did not look out for any signs of abuse. For her to have done that even after Michael was accused of and investigated for child molestation in 1993 would show her to be an unfit parent if Wade is to be believed. Wade was also a minor at the time and she was therefore responsible for his well being. If Wade is telling the truth, then she obviously failed in that regard. The second scenario would be that Joy and Chantal were either threatened or given incentives to say the things they did depending on whether or not they knew of or suspected any abuse. Assuming that they were unaware of any alleged abuse, they may have simply been given incentives to publicly defend him and deny any wrongdoing on his part and/or allow him to spend time alone with Wade (which they denied). If that were the case, then in my opinion, any reasonable person, let alone a parent, would question the motivation behind such an action. Now assuming that they knew or suspected that Wade was being abused, they were either threatened or given incentives to keep quiet about it and deny that anything happened (which they denied). If that were the case, then, as previously mentioned, they'd be guilty of obstruction of justice (thus invalidating Chantal’s public support of her brother). In any event, Joy, as previously mentioned, would be culpable for Wade’s alleged abuse considering that he, as previously mentioned, was a minor at the time and that as his mother; she was responsible for his well being. Chantal, on the other hand, regardless of the fact that she was also a minor during these alleged events, would have been morally responsible. Therefore, if Wade is to be believed, that would mean that they completely failed to live up to those responsibilities (it is unclear then if Chantal took this into consideration when she decided to support her brother's allegations). If neither scenario is true, however, it would then be safe to assume that Joy and Chantal’s previous statements and testimony were truthful, and that Wade’s allegations are false.

Since it has been established that Joy Robson had a duty to look after her son (and that Chantal Robson had a moral obligation to look after her brother), and that if Wade’s allegations are true, she failed in that duty, I feel it is important to readdress the civil lawsuit that Wade filed on the 10th of May. As previously stated, according to TMZ, Wade filed this lawsuit against the executors of Michael Jackson’s estate, MJJ Productions, MJJ Ventures, and 47 other unnamed defendants. According to TMZ, Wade filed this lawsuit against the aforementioned parties on the grounds that they were responsible for protecting him and should therefore answer for the alleged sexual abuse he says he suffered at the hands of Michael Jackson. Now my question is this; if Wade is telling the truth about his alleged abuse and is now out to make the parties that were responsible for his protection answer for their failure to keep him safe, and not to collect money, then why does he not appear to have taken any action against his mother considering that she was more responsible for his safety than any of the other parties being sued? After all, if Wade is to be believed, that would mean that Joy’s continuous approval, trust, and defense of Michael Jackson and his relationship with her son (even after Michael was accused of and investigated for child molestation) helped make it possible for any alleged abuse to occur thus showing her to be an unfit parent and thus making her culpable, if not liable (considering that Wade is now an adult), for Wade's alleged abuse. My other question in this case would be that if Wade's mother can't be held legally accountable for his alleged abuse, why can parties like MJJ Ventures and MJJ Productions be held responsible considering that it was through Wade's decision (with his mother's approval and acceptance) to personally associate with Michael outside of the confines of his business relationship with the pre-mentioned parties that he was allowed to be made vulnerable to any alleged abuse by him? Now, as previously stated, if Wade truly wants to make those who were responsible for protecting him answer for their alleged failure to do so, would it not make sense for him to take at least some kind of action against his mother? I can only speculate at this point, but could it be that perhaps there is more money to be had for Wade by suing these other parties rather than his mother? In my opinion, if Wade is being completely truthful about not making his accusations for money, then the fact that he's willing to play the blame game and point the finger at these other parties and yet not place blame where blame is due in regards to his mother tells me just the opposite. What do you think? '
 
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He also spoke positively about Michael Jackson in an interview (dated July 13, 2012) months after the allotted time span of his alleged breakdowns. The interview can be seen in the following link; http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=vWazdCJxTFI

Just because an interview was uploaded on YT in July 2012 it does not mean it was made then. In fact, I think fans already established that it was made around March 2012, so before his supposed breakdown.

On the Today Show interview, he claims that his reasons for coming forward with his allegations were not motivated by money (and that he would not put his family under such an ordeal just for the sake of money), despite the fact that he filed both a creditors claim and the civil lawsuit mentioned above, but rather to speak his truth and to heal. Now, if we are to believe that Mr. Robson is being completely honest thus far, then shouldn’t his motives for filing a civil lawsuit in addition to his creditor’s claim likewise be honest? If this is truly his way of healing and making those responsible for his protection answer for their failure to keep him safe, then logic would dictate that he should also be taking action against his mother, Joy Robson. Thus far, however, this does not appear to be the case.

His lawyer also stated that initially they wanted to keep the whole case hush and it wasn't up to them that it somehow got discovered by the media and came out. So which one is it? Does he need to speak his "truth" as loud as he can in order to heal - like he claimed in that airport interview or initially they just wanted to silently take the money? They can't have it both ways.

Very long post, but yeah I agree that Joy is screwed if this goes to court. It does not seem like Wade blames her for anything - she was mentioned in his lawsuit but no blame was put on her. Which is odd, since he claims MJJ Ventures and MJJ Productions are responsible, but not his own mother? How come?

IMO there is no way Joy can come away from this looking good. She'll have a lot of explaining to do if it goes to court. And none of those explanations can be good enough. Even if they will try to somehow make her out to be a "victim" as well - a victim of MJ's manipulation - that will look lame. How can you expect people at MJ's companies to see through this allegedly masterfully manipulative predator if Joy who was in close proximity with both her son and Michael, could not?


This post was made by Wade's cousin Jonathan in the comment section on a Radar Online article back in July:

My
mum (the sister in this story) wrote a word document back in 1996 after
committing Uncle Denny to hospital when he was experiencing a bad
depression episode. For a long time the family suspected that Wade might
have been abused, and she wrote about the peculiar events surrounding
Wade's interactions with Michael. I shared this document with Wade after
he let us know that Michael did in fact abuse him. It is possible that
he has submitted this to the court as new evidence.

Although not
the soul reason for his suicide, but a contributing factor of his death
was the fact that he had been abused as a child and anxiety that he had
helped to put his son through the same situation."

"I did not understand why Wade didn't just come out with it and not seek
any compensation. But I totally agree that this is how the law works,
and how wrongdoing is recognized.

After talking with Wade, I can
now see that there is some sort of need to receive recompense when you
are a victim and asking for compensation is part of his healing. He also cannot work in his profession anymore because it is so psychologically linked to Michael for him. What most people don't understand is that the same indoctrination about the abuse Wade received was the same indoctrination to be successful and well known in the entertainment industry, "Be the best, or be nothing".

There
is also many people who knew what Michael was doing, and potentially
facilitated it because he was making them money, who are still alive,
and still profiting from Michael's estate. People for example who
organised for Wade to come from Australia to America, and other children
like Wade.

I don't have anger for Michael, he had a very
troubled life (although it doesn't excuse what he did). But there was
people around Michael who at the very least turned a blind eye, and
those are the people that make me very upset

So Jonathan now says his family suspected, but they did nothing? Moreover they claimed otherwise under oath in 2005. So again what kind of mother does this make Joy if the allegations are true?

"I did not understand why Wade didn't just come out with it and not seek
any compensation. But I totally agree that this is how the law works,
and how wrongdoing is recognized.

After talking with Wade, I can
now see that there is some sort of need to receive recompense when you
are a victim and asking for compensation is part of his healing. He also cannot work in his profession anymore because it is so psychologically linked to Michael for him.

How convenient that "healing" is always through money for MJ's accusers...

. What most people don't understand is that the same indoctrination about the abuse Wade received was the same indoctrination to be successful and well known in the entertainment industry, "Be the best, or be nothing".

Interesting that they want to link Wade's pressure to achieve big things somhow to Michael (aka "Spielberg prophecy" - see his lawsuit), they want to blame it on Michael and also in some weird way link it to alleged sex abuse. When in reality it was Wade's mother who pressured him to work hard on his career as a child. I have no doubt that Michael encouraged him, but he was not the main source of his pressure. His own mother told years ago about how she took Wade to three-four auditions a day and how unsatisfied she was when she did not achieve what she expected to achieve during their first three years in the US. Joy is the typical "soccer mom" yet they want to project and blame all that on Michael?


There
is also many people who knew what Michael was doing, and potentially
facilitated it because he was making them money, who are still alive,
and still profiting from Michael's estate. People for example who
organised for Wade to come from Australia to America, and other children
like Wade.

I don't have anger for Michael, he had a very
troubled life (although it doesn't excuse what he did). But there was
people around Michael who at the very least turned a blind eye, and
those are the people that make me very upset

So they aren't really angry with MJ but with the people who are "still profiting from Michael's estate". Again, how convenient that you put the main blame on where the money is.
 
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If he were really abused the person he should feel most betrayed by is his mother.

He appears to harbor no ill feelings towards her at all.

In fact, his cousin makes out like the people who are most responsible and that they have the most animosity towards are Branca and McClain the executors. He claims it's because they're responsible for bringing Wade to the US and suggested they knew Wade was being abused and looked the other way. This is really bizarre as Branca/McClain didn't work in MJ's capacity like that in 1990-1996, they didn't oversee people working on those labels and had nothing to do with bringing Wade to the US. Their anger really seems to be about the fact that these two men make are making money from the estate. So how convenient the Robson's have all this anger directed at the executors who have the money/estate. It's like they think people are so blind/dumb they'd go "Oh of course they helped you guys come to the states and it's all their fault." I'd guess people in his family/friends are doing this, but for anyone who thinks about it it makes absolutely no sense. It's obviously just a justification for why he needs the ESTATE and the execs to pay.

But if Wade HAD been abused and left to be abused continuously from 1990-1996 then he should reasonably and justifiably feel utterly heartbroken and devastated by his mother for having let it happen. He doesn't seem to feel that way at all. He can claim she was "brainwashed" and fooled and duped and blah blah, but a REAL person going through the emotions after 1 year of realizing they were abused would not be able to hold back the resentment and anger it would cause. It would only be natural.

My suspicions are that when his case fails to get him all the millions he's been banking on, that suddenly there will be tension and blame in his family between them.

In fact, I think fans already established that it was made around March 2012, so before his supposed breakdown.

Or during it.

From Chantal's facebook we can see Wade was working throughout March right till the end with her so he apparently coped quite well with this second big breakdown.

After talking with Wade, I can
now see that there is some sort of need to receive recompense when you
are a victim and asking for compensation is part of his healing.

Of course, seeking money is part of the healing process.

I can't believe he even typed that or that this is what Wade's dumbass self thinks sounds like something real people do.

Like, "Once you get the money suddenly everything is okay." In many countries there aren't even any financial incentives for claiming sexual abuse because asking for money about it is almost unheard of. In the UK it's a very rare thing to do. I know in France and other countries it's like that too. Criminal justice is the focus here. Acting like seeking money helps you heal is just bizarre. And the claims for the money aren't even directly related to "healing" - they're all to do with the fact he can't become the worldwide superstar he claims he was destined to be.
He also cannot work in his profession anymore because it is so psychologically linked to Michael for him.

It's a different claim here, here it's because it's too linked to MJ, whereas in his claim he's not physically or mentally capable of working in these fields in ANY capacity.

He claimed the directing work brought on the Spielberg prophecy which brought on the reality he'd been abused, and now he's making these videos for his friends - so the thing that brought on the abuse is suddenly something he's totally capable of doing.

Such an idiot.
 
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the accusers are a ****ing insult to real abuse victims. Wade in particular, along with all his family are the spawn of evil
 
la_cienega;3924022 said:
If he were really abused the person he should feel most betrayed by is his mother.

He appears to harbor no ill feelings towards her at all.

In fact, his cousin makes out like the people who are most responsible and that they have the most animosity towards are Branca and McClain the executors. He claims it's because they're responsible for bringing Wade to the US and suggested they knew Wade was being abused and looked the other way. This is really bizarre as Branca/McClain didn't work in MJ's capacity like that in 1990-1996, they didn't oversee people working on those labels and had nothing to do with bringing Wade to the US. Their anger really seems to be about the fact that these two men make are making money from the estate. So how convenient the Robson's have all this anger directed at the executors who have the money/estate. It's like they think people are so blind/dumb they'd go "Oh of course they helped you guys come to the states and it's all their fault." I'd guess people in his family/friends are doing this, but for anyone who thinks about it it makes absolutely no sense. It's obviously just a justification for why he needs the ESTATE and the execs to pay.

But if Wade HAD been abused and left to be abused continuously from 1990-1996 then he should reasonably and justifiably feel utterly heartbroken and devastated by his mother for having let it happen. He doesn't seem to feel that way at all. He can claim she was "brainwashed" and fooled and duped and blah blah, but a REAL person going through the emotions after 1 year of realizing they were abused would not be able to hold back the resentment and anger it would cause. It would only be natural.

My suspicions are that when his case fails to get him all the millions he's been banking on, that suddenly there will be tension and blame in his family between them.



Or during it.

From Chantal's facebook we can see Wade was working throughout March right till the end with her so he apparently coped quite well with this second big breakdown.



Of course, seeking money is part of the healing process.

I can't believe he even typed that or that this is what Wade's dumbass self thinks sounds like something real people do.

Like, "Once you get the money suddenly everything is okay." In many countries there aren't even any financial incentives for claiming sexual abuse because asking for money about it is almost unheard of. In the UK it's a very rare thing to do. I know in France and other countries it's like that too. Criminal justice is the focus here. Acting like seeking money helps you heal is just bizarre. And the claims for the money aren't even directly related to "healing" - they're all to do with the fact he can't become the worldwide superstar he claims he was destined to be.


It's a different claim here, here it's because it's too linked to MJ, whereas in his claim he's not physically or mentally capable of working in these fields in ANY capacity.

He claimed the directing work brought on the Spielberg prophecy which brought on the reality he'd been abused, and now he's making these videos for his friends - so the thing that brought on the abuse is suddenly something he's totally capable of doing.

Such an idiot.

I don't like DSK but he explains it very well

"RQ: Why did you settle the case against her?

DSK: That’s very simple. The US is very specialistist.. In my country, in most European countries when on the penal side, penal say there’s nothing then you cannot be sued on the civil side. In the US, you can. So the prosecutor may say, we have nothing against you but still you may have a civil trial. And I was ready to go to the trial, but my lawyers told me okay it’s gonna take you 4 years. It will cost you much more in legal fees than you have to pay, even if you win so you better … and I decided to pay and go on with my life."

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2...e-european-banking-and-the-infamous-perp-walk
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

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Just because an interview was uploaded on YT in July 2012 it does not mean it was made then. In fact, I think fans already established that it was made around March 2012, so before his supposed breakdown.

Agreed and thank you for pointing that out.


His lawyer also stated that initially they wanted to keep the whole case hush and it wasn't up to them that it somehow got discovered by the media and came out. So which one is it? Does he need to speak his "truth" as loud as he can in order to heal - like he claimed in that airport interview or initially they just wanted to silently take the money? They can't have it both ways.

Also agreed, a very good point


Very long post, but yeah I agree that Joy is screwed if this goes to court. It does not seem like Wade blames her for anything - she was mentioned in his lawsuit but no blame was put on her. Which is odd, since he claims MJJ Ventures and MJJ Productions are responsible, but not his own mother? How come?

IMO there is no way Joy can come away from this looking good. She'll have a lot of explaining to do if it goes to court. And none of those explanations can be good enough. Even if they will try to somehow make her out to be a "victim" as well - a victim of MJ's manipulation - that will look lame. How can you expect people at MJ's companies to see through this allegedly masterfully manipulative predator if Joy who was in close proximity with both her son and Michael, could not?


This post was made by Wade's cousin Jonathan in the comment section on a Radar Online article back in July:



So Jonathan now says his family suspected, but they did nothing? Moreover they claimed otherwise under oath in 2005. So again what kind of mother does this make Joy if the allegations are true?

What a messed up family, anything for money

How convenient that "healing" is always through money for MJ's accusers...



Interesting that they want to link Wade's pressure to achieve big things somhow to Michael (aka "Spielberg prophecy" - see his lawsuit), they want to blame it on Michael and also in some weird way link it to alleged sex abuse. When in reality it was Wade's mother who pressured him to work hard on his career as a child. I have no doubt that Michael encouraged him, but he was not the main source of his pressure. His own mother told years ago about how she took Wade to three-four auditions a day and how unsatisfied she was when she did not achieve what she expected to achieve during their first three years in the US. Joy is the typical "soccer mom" yet they want to project and blame all that on Michael?

Also, Michael was a very busy man, how did he find time to mentor Wade all those years?


So they aren't really angry with MJ but with the people who are "still profiting from Michael's estate". Again, how convenient that you put the main blame on where the money is.

Excellent points, and well put, thank you for the post
 
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Have mentioned this before (sorry to go on about it!!!!), but I was molested by my grandfather (now deceased) and when I told my Dad he was very upset and ashamed, he thought he should have protected me, he didn't know what to do but was very upset and angry.

Doesn't sound like Joy, does it!
 
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Have mentioned this before (sorry to go on about it!!!!), but I was molested by my grandfather (now deceased) and when I told my Dad he was very upset and ashamed, he thought he should have protected me, he didn't know what to do but was very upset and angry.

Doesn't sound like Joy, does it!


I am sorry to read about you problems, and your father's reaction is exactly what I would expect.


I'm in no way siding with the Robsons but people do react in different ways.
 
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Thank you, but I have dealt with it, without the help of money!!! Yes people react in different ways but her reaction screams that she doesn't believe him, I am not a mother, and if there are any mothers here I would like your take on this, but if I had a child, I have a god child, and if I had an inclining for one second that something untoward was going on, I would go straight to the police. Yes she is not reacting as one would expect but, come one, at least give one statement on your son's well being.
 
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I never knew money could heal psychological trauma :) And here I am like an idiot not suing my dead grandfather, because we all know that would solve the problem! :yes:

Psychologists must have had it wrong for years, give the 'victim' (inverted comma's refer to Wade) money and all will be ok in the world again, problem solved!

If only I'd known!!:D
 
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THIS TOPS IT ALL...SOMETHINGS UP Henry Gradstein Attorney a Partner at, Gradstein & Marzano P.C. is currently representing Quincy Jones in His Lawsuit against The Michael Jackson Estate and is also representing Wade Robson??

awaiting source

http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/10/25/62379.htm
 
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THIS TOPS IT ALL...SOMETHINGS UP Henry Gradstein Attorney a Partner at, Gradstein & Marzano P.C. is currently representing Quincy Jones in His Lawsuit against The Michael Jackson Estate and is also representing Wade Robson??

awaiting source

http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/10/25/62379.htm

Yes, it's true.



BTW I'm curious where he's getting this notion that seeking money is part of the healing process. Where has that ever been stated? I've only seen books and websites urge caution to those who seek civil litigation as it can be a harmful process for the victim. Why would asking for money help with the healing? Besides Jordan, Francia and Gavin - are those the people he's modeling his life after? Does he really wish to look like those people? He isn't seeking justice, his cousin doesn't claim this is him seeking justice.

Also, when did he get this idea he needed to "ask" for compensation to heal?

Before or after March 2013 when he first claimed he'd learned there was an estate from his lawyers?

Was it his lawyers who said there was an estate and he should/could sue and he realized it was crucial to his healing?

Or did he call his lawyers to speak about his wanting to sue MJ because it's part of the healing process and they told him that was convenient because there was an estate he could sue and it's good he only learned about it with them first or he'd have been screwed...?

If he had realized he couldn't sue, would that mean he'd have never been able to heal?

Does that make any sense to anyone else?
 
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Have mentioned this before (sorry to go on about it!!!!), but I was molested by my grandfather (now deceased) and when I told my Dad he was very upset and ashamed, he thought he should have protected me, he didn't know what to do but was very upset and angry.

Doesn't sound like Joy, does it!
so very sorry for what happened to you. God bless you.
 
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Last year, October of 2012, a 17 year old kid abducted, killed and mutilated a 10 year old girl, while she was on her way to school.

On his computer were video's of sexually exploitive material of children and also still images.

Michael Jackson never had any sexually exploitive material of children on his computer. The FBI already cleared Michael Jackson of this!


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so very sorry for what happened to you. God bless you.

Thank you, but not looking for petty, really just wanted to illustrate a point on parents reactions. But, thank you, I do appreciate the sentiment, God bless you too
 
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This world is not a just and fair world. Never was. People got lynched, people got burnt as witches. People got killed because they were different. This has not changed a lot, only the means are different now.

Also most people are too lazy to look behind the headlines or behind a claim or story, but at the same time they are too quick to judge. They think if they read an article or a prosecution document they know all about the case when in reality their judgement is based on superficial things. That too is human nature unfortunately.

I think this generation has been brainwashed so much by the media that it will take this generation to pass for people to re-examine MJ's case in a fair manner without all the sensationalism.

It's the disease called Ignorance. It's one of two diseases that's destroying humanity and the natural World (the other is Greed/Want).


I agree with you guys. :agree: It's been going on and on in different aspects, but this time it's lazy. Ignorance and closed minds these things are ruining our world. #LETLOVERULE
 
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In the 2005 trial, Michael Jackson's finances were looked at closely. District Attorney Thomas Sneddon was trying to prove motive to why Michael molested, groped, Gavin Arvizo.

District Attorney Thomas Sneddon was full of glee when he announced to the world that he had finally gotten Michael Jackson, that another victim had come forward. This time District Attorney Thomas Sneddon would get Michael Jackson in a Court of Law and prove he was a child molester. It was a pattern.

In 1993, Michael Jackson made million's upon million's upon million's of dollars per endorsements, Concert's, record deals, etc. When Evan Chandler sued Michael Jackson, in a civil suit, money problems would not be a motivator for Michael to humiliate a child to make himself feel better via raping and/or groping.

Now since Michael was making such money even at the time Wade Robson is claiming, when he was 7 year's old, there would be no reason for Michael to humiliate Wade as a 7 year old child.

Michael Jackson was not about disrespecting children, he was about recognizing that it can happen to children, being disrespected by adult's, while in their care. That's why Michael publicly talked about his own Dad, Joe Jackson, disrespecting him!

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Aphrodite Jones return's to King Jordan Radio on Tuesday November 5th

Aphrodite says she has the notes the Robson's left in MJ's guestbook thanking him, etc:

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And I have by the way copies by the way of his handwritten letters from him, and his family written to Michael in the Neverland valley ranch book guestbook. I have them myself in my possession. The copies of those letters, those notes written in the book by the Robson family by Wade saying how much they loved him, how much they are happy to be there, how much he has provided for them in their lives, how much joy he has given them.
I have them. I didn't publish them in the MJ conspiracy book, because it wasn't important at the time to destroy a hand. I forgot about them actually. But now you are saying this to me it's reminding me that y'know there's so many people that's saying the Brando's saying things to Michael and Jessica Simpson thanking Michael, Tommy Hilfigger thanking Michael. Y'know I made copies of those things when I was going through the evidence back when I had my hands on those things. ..now they are back to the estate. On them were the Robson's. I have them. I remember so specifically now.
 
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some more.....
Part of the Aphrodite interview on KJR

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I think y'know you hit the nail on the head, and that is that there is nothing to be believed that comes out of this persons (Wade's) mouth, because he is talking out of both sides of his mouth.

And his story changes with whatever is convenient for him in the moment because it is all about him trying to grab at Michael Jacksons estate and money.

I mean I, I really just, I really, I don't know how else know how more plainly to say it, other than if he was a child who was molested, why in the world would he be the first witness to testify on behalf of the defence to tell everyone in the world, myself included that he and Michael were friends forever.

And I have by the way copies by the way of his handwritten letters from him, and his family written to Michael in the Neverland valley ranch book guestbook. I have them myself in my possession. The copies of those letters , those notes written in the book by the Robson family by Wade saying how much they loved him, how much they are happy to be there, how much he has provided for them in their lives, how much joy he has given them.
I have them. I didn't publish them in the MJ conspiracy book, because it wasn't important at the time to destroy a hand. I forgot about them actually. But now you are saying this to me it's reminding me that y'know there's so many people that's saying the Brando's saying things to Michael and Jessica Simpson thanking Michael, Tommy Hilfigger thanking Michael. Y'know I made copies of those things when I was going through the evidence back when I had my hands on those things. ..now they are back to the estate. On them were the Robson's. I have them. I remember so specifically now.

So, what is this person talking about? I don't get it. Other than being for the money. What could it be?

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Well first of all let me tell you I have spent many of times, many a days with TM. interviewing him for my shows interviewing him for my book. Y'know we have a professional friendship over the years, and I can tell you that never once has TM waivered in any way shape and form that Michael ever said to him in any way shape of form that he never did anything to any child. That there was any child that he was concerned about, or curious about, or worried about. That never happened, and Messereau is crafty and if anything like that had happened he would find a way to phrase a way to me that I would understand that maybe there was something to hide. He has never been anything but adamant about Michaels complete and utter innocence.

And that speaks volumes, because Tom Messereau is a man of integrity beyond reproach. That's how I feel about him. that's who I have learned him to be, and I will tell you that is how he felt about Michael, and still feels about Michael , and to his dying day will go to his grave knowing he did the right thing by Michael. So y'know I mean the fact that W.R is the first star witness for the defence it just. it be lies any credibility that now he is now coming out with this stuff. it's....

It's sad it's sad, because Michael has to be dragged through the mud by somebody when he is in heaven and gone.

And his music still lives on to please and amuse all of us and to literally thrill us, give us glee and joy every time we hear.

There is nowhere I go, in a stall a mall or at a party where I don't hear a MJ song It doesn't happen.

He is part of out lives. His music will live forever and for people to come forward when he is gone and off this earth to bring forward this salacious crap ...I find it just despicable
 
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some more.....
Part of the Aphrodite interview on KJR

Quote:

I think y'know you hit the nail on the head, and that is that there is nothing to be believed that comes out of this persons (Wade's) mouth, because he is talking out of both sides of his mouth.

And his story changes with whatever is convenient for him in the moment because it is all about him trying to grab at Michael Jacksons estate and money.

I mean I, I really just, I really, I don't know how else know how more plainly to say it, other than if he was a child who was molested, why in the world would he be the first witness to testify on behalf of the defence to tell everyone in the world, myself included that he and Michael were friends forever.

And I have by the way copies by the way of his handwritten letters from him, and his family written to Michael in the Neverland valley ranch book guestbook. I have them myself in my possession. The copies of those letters , those notes written in the book by the Robson family by Wade saying how much they loved him, how much they are happy to be there, how much he has provided for them in their lives, how much joy he has given them.
I have them. I didn't publish them in the MJ conspiracy book, because it wasn't important at the time to destroy a hand. I forgot about them actually. But now you are saying this to me it's reminding me that y'know there's so many people that's saying the Brando's saying things to Michael and Jessica Simpson thanking Michael, Tommy Hilfigger thanking Michael. Y'know I made copies of those things when I was going through the evidence back when I had my hands on those things. ..now they are back to the estate. On them were the Robson's. I have them. I remember so specifically now.

So, what is this person talking about? I don't get it. Other than being for the money. What could it be?

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Well first of all let me tell you I have spent many of times, many a days with TM. interviewing him for my shows interviewing him for my book. Y'know we have a professional friendship over the years, and I can tell you that never once has TM waivered in any way shape and form that Michael ever said to him in any way shape of form that he never did anything to any child. That there was any child that he was concerned about, or curious about, or worried about. That never happened, and Messereau is crafty and if anything like that had happened he would find a way to phrase a way to me that I would understand that maybe there was something to hide. He has never been anything but adamant about Michaels complete and utter innocence.

And that speaks volumes, because Tom Messereau is a man of integrity beyond reproach. That's how I feel about him. that's who I have learned him to be, and I will tell you that is how he felt about Michael, and still feels about Michael , and to his dying day will go to his grave knowing he did the right thing by Michael. So y'know I mean the fact that W.R is the first star witness for the defence it just. it be lies any credibility that now he is now coming out with this stuff. it's....

It's sad it's sad, because Michael has to be dragged through the mud by somebody when he is in heaven and gone.

And his music still lives on to please and amuse all of us and to literally thrill us, give us glee and joy every time we hear.

There is nowhere I go, in a stall a mall or at a party where I don't hear a MJ song It doesn't happen.

He is part of out lives. His music will live forever and for people to come forward when he is gone and off this earth to bring forward this salacious crap ...I find it just despicable

Can't wait to hear this on youtube!! Thank you for letting everyone know about the interview
 
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You can listen to the interview with Aphrodite Jones here.
Some fans are really disappointed with her, because she said "I don't know" when asked if MJ was innocent in 1993 and that she "felt unconfortable" about the testimony of June Chandler, that she felt "she was a woman who was looking the other way"(listen from min. 29.00).
 
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The A. Jones-interview has some strange parts.

Suddenly she says that she does not know if there was something in 1993 because she was not there- and she founded it especially with the testimony of June Chandler in 2005, which provoked mixed feelings with her.

I have the feeling it has something to do with the support from Meserau to Sulvians book. Sulvian said maybe Michael was a virgin or he lost it to Jordy.

In the interview Jones says also she personal thinks Michael was asexual.
 
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Suddenly she says that she does not know if there was something in 1993 because she was not there- and she founded it especially with the testimony of June Chandler in 2005, which provoked mixed feelings with her.

I have the feeling it has something to do with the support from Meserau to Sulvians book. Sulvian said maybe Michael was a virgin or he lost it to Jordy.

If she's suddenly saying something different that's down to her, so don't bring in tmez's supporting that sullivan book as her reason, tmez has made it crystal clear to her that he wasn't concerned about jordie or anyone re mj's innocence so she is completely misunderstanding things if she's having 'questions' based on this sullivan book.

Well first of all let me tell you I have spent many of times, many a days with TM. interviewing him for my shows interviewing him for my book. Y'know we have a professional friendship over the years, and I can tell you that never once has TM waivered in any way shape and form that Michael ever said to him in any way shape of form that he never did anything to any child. That there was any child that he was concerned about, or curious about, or worried about. That never happened, and Messereau is crafty and if anything like that had happened he would find a way to phrase a way to me that I would understand that maybe there was something to hide. He has never been anything but adamant about Michaels complete and utter innocence.
 
Apparently aphrodite in her radio broadcast seemed to express doubts/questions over the 93 chandler case compared to her emphatic belief that the arvizo case was a shakedown along with wade's. Really odd, seeing that if you think there are only issues over jordie then that makes mj a pedo who doesn't appear to have any other victims.

She said in the King Jordan radio that she had question marks because of June Chandler's 2005 testimony who she called an impressive witness with some damning testimony. According to aphrodite, the most "damning" part of june's testimony was when she talks about that alleged incident in the Mirage Hotel where, according to her Michael was "shaking, crying, trembling" when she did not want to let Jordan sleep in his room. Apparently aphrodite thinks this evidence suggests mj cd be in love with jordie. However, maybe aphrodite doesn't know that Jordan's own version of the story was significantly different.

According to June Chandler's 2005 testimony one night Jackson and Jordan went to see a Cirque du Soleil performance and when they came back Jackson insisted on Jordan sleeping in his bedroom. According to June Chandler when she refused Jackson kept insisting on it “sobbing, crying, shaking, trembling” to which June gave in and let Jordan sleep in Jackson's bedroom for the first time.

However, Jordan's own version of this story contradicts his mother's 2005 testimony. In an interview that psychiatrist, Dr. Richard Gardner conducted with Jordan in October 93 the boy said he and Jackson watched the horror movie The Exorcist one night and Jackson, because Jordan was scared, offered to let Jordan sleep in his room. According to Jordan's version it was AFTER that night when he told his mother about having slept in Jackson's bedroom and that is when there was a confrontation about it between June and Jackson as jordan had told mj that his mother was upset about it. So the crying etc on mj's part was because he was feeling june hadn't trusted mj, not because he was making a fuss about wanting jordan in his room. On cross examination June admitted that it was Jordan, who wanted to stay in Jackson's bedroom. In any case, there was no claim of physical contact occurring between Jordan and Jackson on that trip.

From the Court Transcripts and Mr. Mesereau's cross-examination of june we get confirmation that the conversation in question revolved around trust issues.


10 Q. Did you have any problem at that time

11 letting your son go to Cirque du Soleil with Mr.

12 Jackson?

13 A. No.

14 Q. And did your son stay with Mr. Jackson that

15 evening, to your knowledge?

16 A. To my knowledge, yes.

17 Q. Okay. You told the prosecutor that Mr.

18 Jackson got upset at one point about your not

19 trusting him, right?

20 A. Correct.

21 Q. And he said words to you to the effect that,

22 “We’re family,” right?

23 A. Correct.

24 Q. You suggested that you let Jordie sleep

25 wherever he wants to sleep, right?

26 A. Yes.

27 Q. And you told him, “Look, I’ve had two

28 husbands that I can’t trust,” right? 5689



1 A. Correct.

2 Q. You said, “I think you’re a wonderful

3 person, but I can’t let my trust down,” right?

4 A. Correct.

5 Q. And you described Michael as saying that he

6 was going to take care of you, right?

7 A. No.

8 MR. SNEDDON: Your Honor, excuse me, I’m

9 going to object as vague as to point in time of the

10 conversation.

11 MR. MESEREAU: Sure. Sure.

12 Q. When was the conversation where Michael got

13 upset because he didn’t think you trusted him?

14 A. In Las Vegas in the hotel room.

15 Q. Okay. You said to Michael, “I’ve had males

16 in my life that, you know, have disappointed me.

17 How can I have you in my life and you’re saying that

18 you’re going to take care of us, that you’re so

19 wonderful, everything’s going to be okay, how am I

20 going to do that?”

21 MR. SNEDDON: Your Honor, I’m going to

22 object to counsel reading from the document.

23 MR. MESEREAU: I haven’t finished the

24 question yet, Your Honor.

25 MR. SNEDDON: Well, he’s reading --

26 THE COURT: Well, all right, what is the

27 question?

28 MR. MESEREAU: I was going to ask her if she 5690



1 made that statement.

2 THE COURT: All right. You may.

3 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Did you make a statement

4 to that effect?

5 A. Yes.

6 Q. And Michael said to you he wanted a family

7 to just treat him like a regular person, right?

8 A. Correct.

9 Q. He said he didn’t want to be like a

10 stranger, right?

11 A. Correct.

12 Q. And he asked you to trust him, right?

13 A. Yeah.

Also it's ridiculous to suggest Michael Jackson was in love with Jordan Chandler! That creepy nambla inspired narrative comes only from ray and evan. The only interview we have access to giving jordan's version of his story, the gardner interview, jordie never mentions mj 'loving' him or any idea it's some 'love affair'. There were no love letters either, just a 'i love you like a cousin' note from mj to jordie.

I've got no idea why aphrodite suddenly has got these questions about the chandler case. Maybe she always had them and she's just really unfamiliar with all the details compared to her knowledge of the arvizo case. But she does seem to have changed her tune about june in the 05 trial. In her book she called called June "nonchalant" with a "cavalier attitude" and she wrote, "As the beautiful Ms. Chandler left the stand, many of the jurors seemed unimpressed. From the looks on their faces, it was obvious that June Chandler had not been a good witness. The females on the jury, in particular, seemed to see right through her." It seems that for some, jordie's story might have credibility purely because his story never underwent the scrutiny in court that the arvizos got and yet there were dozens of 'jordans' in mj's life and although it's this one story that is at such jarring variance to all the others, and in fact blatently contradicts all these other children's experiences with mj, it's given the benefit of the doubt. Crazy.
 
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I'm HIGHLY disappointed in Aphrodite Jones! But, I've noticed in her past interviews how she never has a real answer has to what she thought about the Chandler case and that always made me wonder. It also makes me wonder how stupid can these people be? Seriously, do they really believe that someone can only be a molester once? I mean if she and others believe MJ might be guilty in 93 then that mean u think he is a pedo, period! UGH! How people like Jones gonna defend him on one case and not completely with the others?! Pls stop wasting are time then, I know fans that can do better! -_-
 
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Wow. This crap is still going ? That twitter guy who tweeted Stephen Gibbs in support of Wade is part of a Facebook page with 15,000 likes... really ?!? People are so stupid it actually baffles me sometimes. I can understand being skeptical of Michael if you haven't really looked into it (and that's fine, better to be skeptical than automatically assume guilt), but how can you actually look into it and come out thinking Michael is guilty ?! Even back years ago when I wasn't much of an MJ fan, I looked into it and couldn't find any actual evidence that even suggests he molested children.

Wade Robson is a pathetic excuse for a human and if he was really molested by Michael all those decades ago, he would've come out when Michael was alive to make him serve justice. But with Michael now unable to defend himself and the Jacksons (at the time of the original claim) facing the possibility of winning an extremely valuable lawsuit, how convenient for him to suddenly cry rape (or molestation, whatever). This is, of course, ignoring the fact too that Wade actually stood up for Michael for almost two decades, one time in court even. I'm sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, Wade Robson is talking a load of shit.

Could someone please give a quick summary of what's happened over the last few months because I haven't seen anything about this since June or something and I just assumed the claim had been dropped or something... Thanks in advance !
 
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Wow. This crap is still going ? That twitter guy who tweeted Stephen Gibbs in support of Wade is part of a Facebook page with 15,000 likes... really ?!? People are so stupid it actually baffles me sometimes. I can understand being skeptical of Michael if you haven't really looked into it (and that's fine, better to be skeptical than automatically assume guilt), but how can you actually look into it and come out thinking Michael is guilty ?! Even back years ago when I wasn't much of an MJ fan, I looked into it and couldn't find any actual evidence that even suggests he molested children.

He bought most of those "likes" for money. Plus he did a competition promising to give away a camera or something like that among people who liked his FB page. It was all discussed here before. The guy is a pathetic, obsessed hater. He doesn't give a damn about Wade, he just pretends to care and uses him to further his MJ hating agenda. Nor do these people care about the truth. If they did then they would not do such questionable things as hacking Lisa Marie Presley's twitter account or harrassing people around MJ on Twitter and trying to get people who were close to MJ as kids to say he molested them. And you should see them when they refuse to say that! Then they keep trashing and harrassing that person like they did with Brett Barnes and Corey Feldman. They are nothing but a bunch Internet bullies and trolls.



Could someone please give a quick summary of what's happened over the last few months because I haven't seen anything about this since June or something and I just assumed the claim had been dropped or something... Thanks in advance !

Wade Robson filed a lawsuit against Michael in may claiming he just realized about a year ago that he was molested by Michael Jackson as a child for 7 years. To be precise he claims he knew all along, he was just "unable and unwilling" to realize it was abuse. Even though he testified for MJ at a criminal trial as an adult apparently he just did not realize he was abused, until 2012 when he had a breakdown due to a prophecy MJ made to him about Wade becoming a bigger director than Steven Spielberg. Then all of a sudden it occured to him that he was molested by MJ. Of course, the only way to heal for him now is to be financed by MJ's Estate for life, basically.

Here are the relevant part's from Wade's lawsuit:

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He claims he wasn't aware of the Estate's administration until March 2013. Convenietly to claim this (and that he realized he was abused only a year ago) is the only way for him to have some hope to be able to get around statues of limitations. Convenietly he claims everything that possibly could help him get around statues...

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So the whole world knew about MJ's Estate only poor Wade didn't, even though he collaborated on Estate endorsed projects such as Opus or was considered for the Cirque du Soleil show. On top of that there is evidence of his long time lawyer talking about MJ's Estate in 2009. So how did Wade not know?


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Of, course this is not about money at all. It just that because he recently realized he was abused by MJ as a child for 7 years, now he's unable to become the international superstar he was destined to be, so MJ's Estate has to compensate him and basically finance him for life as he's not able to work any more.

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There was a hearing in September and the next one is scheduled for June 2014. As of now the only thing that is being decided on is whether the lawsuit can go ahead, whether Wade is within the statues of limitations.
 
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