Message From The Estate Of Michael Jackson Re: Channel 5 Autopsy Program

Well MJ had horrible doctors who obviously didn't care about him or take care of him. MJ should've been seeing a sleep therapist professional, a lupus and autoimmune disease expert, and a psychologist instead of the awful Klein , Metzger and Hoefflin, They did much damage to MJ and didn't help him any. And we all know Murray was criminally negligent in regards to his 'care' of MJ. They all belong in jail for not taking care of this good man.
 
Don't twist my posts. I was asking a question. Shepherd is a leading government pathologist, it was his report that the attorney general relied on to close down the call for an inquest into the death of david kelly - his reputation is a big deal. I was wanting to know why he made that particular very specific claim, twice, on tv, as the other things he said in the doc i found to be accurate. I've looked through the coroner's report but i'm not remotely confident in using medical terminology. Personally i find respect's response that gave me some receipts more useful than posters who try to close down questioning, calling it all tabloid trash.


Of course you'd find it more useful because it toys with the idea of the coroners report stating such a thing. Which isn't a issue since its obviously what you're discussing, but the coroner's report doesn't state at any point that his nose was missing. So what would medical terminology have to do with anything when discussing something that isn't there?

I'm just curious. It sounds like you just said that because you don't understand some of the terms that that means that somehow translate to a coroner stating he had no nose. Again, thats what it seemed like, so I'm actually trying to understand what you're saying in regards to the Coroners report and it saying he had no nose, which it doesn't.
 
Cookie Monzter;3948773 said:
Lupus is a systemic autoimmune disease. It affects many systems in the body, to different extents in different patients and not every patient will have all systems affected. It commonly affects lungs, and can affect other systems like the kidneys, brain. In Michael's case, it there was involvement of his lungs. It would be difficult to determine the exact restriction on function/daily life just from the pathology of the lungs (ie the scaring seen in the post mortem). For example, some patients can have a lot of scarring but function relatively well whereas others may have significant symptoms with shortness of breath with less scarring. Without tests that look at lung function, one cannot directly extrapolate what the lungs look like to the function. Michael was obviously not incapacitated in terms of his breathing, as we clearly saw, as the programme is trying to suggest.

Thank you for that helpful post^. I have been mulling over Michael's reported lung damage in the light of the TII performances of IJCSLY (Seemingly effortlessly sung) and the final section of 'Beat it', where he does the 'Air-cycling' and jumping on the spot...then does it again to get the timings right. Neither of those performances seemed to show obvious limitation of lung capacity, although MJ was obviously tired at the end of the dance...but general fitness / muscle tone / previous nights sleep can also affect those kinds of things.

I remember knowing someone who had phenomenal lung function because of their job - a glass blower. This person could inflate a rubber hot water bottle with relative ease. Their chest capacity/ height / weight was very similar to Michaels', if not slimmer. I wonder if Michael's long years of 'belting out' songs at the top of his voice from the age of 5-6 ( I've been listening to old J5 tracks recently) gave him much better lung capacity/ function than most people? (ie so that damage would not affect his stage performance as much as the scarring might suggest.)

I found this on medline...not very overwhelming evidence, but something perhaps.....

Lung function in singers.
[Article in Norwegian]

Bjerknes-Haugen G.

Abstract

With the intention of conducting a more comprehensive study among students at the Department of Music, University of Oslo, a pilot study was carried out at the Clinical-physiological laboratory, Ullevål Hospital, in the 1970s. The author briefly reviews earlier studies, and compares their findings with those of the pilot study. There seems to be no difference between experienced and non-experienced singers as regards lung capacity, but the ratio residual volume/total lung capacity is much smaller for experienced singers, compared with non-experienced singers. Experienced singers seem to achieve more efficient use of pressure and air flow.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8278968
 
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Of course you'd find it more useful because it toys with the idea of the coroners report stating such a thing. Which isn't a issue since its obviously what you're discussing, but the coroner's report doesn't state at any point that his nose was missing. So what would medical terminology have to do with anything when discussing something that isn't there?

I'm just curious. It sounds like you just said that because you don't understand some of the terms that that means that somehow translate to a coroner stating he had no nose. Again, thats what it seemed like, so I'm actually trying to understand what you're saying in regards to the Coroners report and it saying he had no nose, which it doesn't.

Talk about twisting someone's words.
 
myosotis;3948888 said:
Thank you for that helpful post^. I have been mulling over Michael's reported lung damage in the light of the TII performances of IJCSLY (Seemingly effortlessly sung) and the final section of 'Beat it', where he does the 'Air-cycling' and jumping on the spot...then does it again to get the timings right. Neither of those performances seemed to show obvious limitation of lung capacity, although MJ was obviously tired at the end of the dance...but general fitness / muscle tone / previous nights sleep can also affect those kinds of things.

I remember knowing someone who had phenomenal lung function because of their job - a glass blower. This person could inflate a rubber hot water bottle with relative ease. Their chest capacity/ height / weight was very similar to Michaels', if not slimmer. I wonder if Michael's long years of 'belting out' songs at the top of his voice from the age of 5-6 ( I've been listening to old J5 tracks recently) gave him much better lung capacity/ function than most people? (ie so that damage would not affect his stage performance as much as the scarring might suggest.)

I found this on medline...not very overwhelming evidence, but something perhaps.....

Lung function in singers.
[Article in Norwegian]

Bjerknes-Haugen G.

Abstract

With the intention of conducting a more comprehensive study among students at the Department of Music, University of Oslo, a pilot study was carried out at the Clinical-physiological laboratory, Ullevål Hospital, in the 1970s. The author briefly reviews earlier studies, and compares their findings with those of the pilot study. There seems to be no difference between experienced and non-experienced singers as regards lung capacity, but the ratio residual volume/total lung capacity is much smaller for experienced singers, compared with non-experienced singers. Experienced singers seem to achieve more efficient use of pressure and air flow.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8278968

Thanks you for that too^^. It shows that you have to take into consideration other factors.
 
IMO is is ridiculous to have shows like this that purport to give info by using an autopsy report together with some very questionable, and indeed very biased, sources. It is also shameful IMO.

These people did not do a complete examination of MJ's body at any time. They did not, as Petra pointed out, solicit any extra reliable medical info that was not on the autopsy report, or that was used for the autopsy report (such as slides). I see no difference between this program and the Dateline program back in 2003 that had 'experts' looking at a bunch of photos of MJ and telling us what he had had done to his face in terms of surgery, etc, from the photos alone! This is total BS.

Having made it clear I think the show is worthless crap, let me say re MJ's nose and lungs--whatever the autopsy report says, or anyone else says who reports an effect on his body at the time of death, does not tell us the CAUSE of the lung scarring, etc. And of course, the autopsy did not mention his nose as missing, collapsed, etc. However, let us assume for the sake of argument that his nose was collapsed, scarred, etc, or even missing--it does not tell us why. We do not know the cause. It may have been a result of ineptitude on the part of Hoefflin (similar to the inept efforts to restore his scalp after the burns, the keloid removals, the balloon under his skin, etc). It may have been from 'reconstructive" surgery efforts (Dr. Strick said this) b/c the skin around his nose was not healing due to his lupus. It may even have been from a totally unknown reason--so speculation based on ignorance, without proper information on which to base the speculation, has no value.

Re his lungs, if we assume the lungs were scarred heavily, we do not know why. Was it from being a child performer? Was it from lupus or vitiligo,or both? Was it even from child abuse? (There is evidence that people who have experienced child abuse have medical impacts on their health in later life, as well as psychological impacts). Was it from childhood pleurisy? Was it from performing onstage as a child when he should have been in bed? (as he said happened in Moonwalk)? And as others have said, we don't know how this affected him in terms of living, breathing, being active, performing. Murray treated MJ for a lung infection when MJ was in L.V. (maybe early 08). This was in CM's medical records. He spoke of MJ's symptoms in a way that made me think he had bronchitis and possibly even pneumonia. CM put him on antibiotics. So MJ may have had some chronic issues with his lungs, esp. when under stress. However, this is not something that an autopsy can determine, and even less people who did not do the autopsy speculating freely.

I hate this!! :(
 
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10, 20, 30, 40 ... no matter how many years will pass. The death of Michael and details of your health will continue to be dissected and discussed by the press as a great spectacle of entertainment for the vultures. People make fun, make jokes and speak with debauchery. They look at him like he was from another planet... as a bizarre being. The world will keep hitting him. Unfortunately it's what I feel :cry: .... I wish this would stop forever and that Michael was left alone. Why is it so difficult to leave it alone? *big sigh*
 
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10, 20, 30, 40 ... no matter how many years will pass. The death of Michael and details of your health will continue to be dissected and discussed by the press as a great spectacle of entertainment for the vultures. People make fun, make jokes and speak with debauchery. They look at him like he was from another planet... as a bizarre being. The world will keep hitting him. Unfortunately it's what I feel :cry: .... I wish this would stop forever and that Michael was left alone. Why is it so difficult to leave it alone? *big sigh*

VULTURES--that's the right word, Ashtanga--thanks. Poor MJ. (Although I have more respect for real vultures than for these people).
 
Guys, in the USA the authopsy files are not public? I think here in Brazil they are...
 
I am confused by the lupus/lung connection. I thought Michael had Discoid Lupus. I thought that had more of an effect on the skin than the lungs. Dr. Shafer spoke about Michael's lungs in his Q&A here on MJJC.

What is the name of the company?

"Outside." Again, I do not if that is indeed true.
 
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I am confused by the lupus/lung connection. I thought Michael had Discoid Lupus. I thought that had more of an effect on the skin than the lungs. Dr. Shafer spoke about Michael's lungs in his Q&A here on MJJC.



"Outside." Again, I do not if that is indeed true.

Thank you Tygger. Having found a connection between this programme and the Blanket lie I was curious. They appear to be a well known PR company who have many different clients http://www.outside-org.co.uk/clients/music/ including the Jacksons. They do have the account for channel 5 press and corporate media for AEG Europe and Northern & Shell (channel 5 & Daily Star). http://www.outside-org.co.uk/clients/corporate/ To be honest although there is a link I don't think there is anything sinister, they appear to have a reasonable client base and be a well known company and often in entertainment business everyone seems to be intertwined in one way or another.
 
I am confused by the lupus/lung connection. I thought Michael had Discoid Lupus. I thought that had more of an effect on the skin than the lungs. Dr. Shafer spoke about Michael's lungs in his Q&A here on MJJC.

That's a good point, however I think autoimmune diseases are still somewhat mysterious. I have one (not Lupus) but it took a while for my docs to determine it's what it is because in me it did not produce the typical symptoms those are usually associated with it. So I can imagine that sometimes discoid lupus can have an effect on the organs even if it's usually not the case. Who knows?

BTW, when I studied MJ's autopsy what I realized about the lung is this: "Histiocytes often contained birefringent particulates in association with anthracotic pigment."

also:

"There was also a patchy anthracotic pigment deposition that involved primarily the superior and lateral portions of the upper and lower lung lobes, with band-like distributions along the rib cage."

I looked up what "anthracotic" means and I found this:

anhtracosis - the deposition of coal dust in the lungs; asymptomatic pneumoconiosis.

I find that odd because MJ was not a smoker. I wonder if it's because of the air pollution in LA - or perhaps even goes back to Gary, Indiana?
 
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People who worked at the Beverely Hills hotel back in 2008 did say that Michael smoked at times. He used to sit outside the door of his bungalow (think they said bungalow) and smoke. But I don´t think he smoke enough to have that effect on his lungs though.
 
Thank you Tygger. Having found a connection between this programme and the Blanket lie I was curious. They appear to be a well known PR company who have many different clients http://www.outside-org.co.uk/clients/music/ including the Jacksons. They do have the account for channel 5 press and corporate media for AEG Europe and Northern & Shell (channel 5 & Daily Star). http://www.outside-org.co.uk/clients/corporate/ To be honest although there is a link I don't think there is anything sinister, they appear to have a reasonable client base and be a well known company and often in entertainment business everyone seems to be intertwined in one way or another.


Last Tear, thank you for verifying this. Some may see a connection and others may not. It is similar to the Daily Mirror's FBI article. DM is an AEG sponsored newspaper and the article was conveniently printed during the civil trial. Some saw a connection and some did not. The slant of this documentary is very supportive of AEG's "secretive addict" defense. Michael was not participating in any addiction when he passed and the autopsy proved that. It was not proven in court that Michael was addicted to propofol by the defense and yet this program returns to that theory.

anhtracosis - the deposition of coal dust in the lungs; asymptomatic pneumoconiosis.


I find that odd because MJ was not a smoker. I wonder if it's because of the air pollution in LA - or perhaps even goes back to Gary, Indiana?

Respect77, thank you for the additional information. Many of the details in that report are beyond my grasp. To answer your question, I lean more towards LA pollution.
 
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Last Tear, thank you for verifying this. Some may see a connection and others may not. It is similar to the Daily Mirror's FBI article. DM is an AEG sponsored newspaper and the article was conveniently printed during the civil trial. Some saw a connection and some did not. The slant of this documentary is very supportive of AEG's "secretive addict" defense. Michael was not participating in any addiction when he passed and the autopsy proved that. It was not proven in court that Michael was addicted to propofol by the defense and yet this program returns to that theory.



Respect77, thank you for the additional information. Many of the details in that report are beyond my grasp. To answer your question, I lean more towards LA pollution.

I just always think you need to look at the whole picture so in my mind I can see that this PR company has also done work for the Jackson brothers plus also Prince (who we know to have issues with AEG), from looking I can send that any connection with AEG Europe is relatively minor and I don't believe there is a sinister connection with this programme and AEG. Why do I think this programme showed events from Murray's perspective? I don't believe it solely did, they seemed to have used some bits from Murray and some from the trial etc. But of a mash up of all information whether it's a medical fact or tabloid.
 
Last Tear, I hope the Jacksons will not utilize this company's service again however, the industry seems to be smaller than it looks thus; the Jacksons working with AEG after Michael's passing.

Again, it is a choice of views. This program supports AEG's theory that the doctor was simply another person who could not say no to Michael, the addict. The plaintiffs aligned with the autopsy which proved Michael was not participating in any addiction in 2009 including any demerol addiction. The secretive addict caused the doctor to forego his oath. This allows sympathy for the doctor and makes Michael blameworthy for his own passing. Cue the 'Michael-injected-himself' theory.

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Last Tear, I forgot to mention that faux FBI article I previously mentioned was written by James Desborough who appears in this documentary. That was the same article that the estate allowed the PCC complaint to lapse against it for whatever reason.
 
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I wonder if when he lived in Ireland the house he rented used coal for heating? It is something that does put particles into the air. I lived in a large town in Poland one winter and they used coal to heat--the whole town. Huge piles of coal. There were particles in the air (even though you couldn't see them) and they accumulated visibly inside the house on my window sills and turned my curtains grey when they were supposed to be white! Just an idea. I don't think smoking would cause coal particles in the lungs, would it??
 
re lupus:

Early Diagnosis and Treatment of Discoid Lupus Erythematosus
Suresh Panjwani, MD, MSc, FRACGP
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Corresponding author: Suresh Panjwani, MD, MSc, FRACGP, 4 Harper Close, Southgate, London N14 4ES, United Kingdom (E-mail: sureshpanjwani18@hotmail.com)

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Abstract

Discoid lupus erythematosus is a chronic dermatological disease that can lead to scarring, hair loss, and hyperpigmentation changes in skin if it is not treated early and promptly. It has a prolonged course and can have a considerable effect on quality of life. Early recognition and treatment improves the prognosis. The diagnosis is usually made by clinical examination. In some cases histopathology may be required to confirm the diagnosis. The histology is that of an inflammatory interface dermatosis. There is insufficient evidence for which treatment is most effective. Because lesions are induced or exacerbated by ultraviolet exposure, photoprotective measures are important. Potent topical steroids and antimalarials are the mainstay of treatment. Some cases of discoid lupus erythematosus can be refractory to standard therapy; in these cases retinoids, thalidomide, and topical tacrolimus offer alternatives, as do immunosuppressives like azathioprine, cyclosporine, mycophenolate mofetil, and methotrexate.

Lupus erythematosus (LE) is thought to be an autoimmune disease among other connective tissue diseases like scleroderma, rheumatoid arthritis, polymyositis, and mixed connective tissue disease. Within the spectrum of diseases included in LE, at one end is a disease confined mainly to the skin and referred to as discoid lupus erythematosus (DLE) and at the other end is a florid disease with systemic involvement of heart, lungs, brain, kidneys and other organs called systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE). In between the 2 ends of the spectrum are disorders like subacute cutaneous lupus. Subacute cutaneous lupus erythematosus (SCLE) has a rather sudden onset with annular or psoriasiform plaques erupting on the upper trunk, arms, and/or dorsa of hands, usually after exposure to sunlight.1 Although at the benign end of the spectrum, 1% to 5% of patients with discoid lupus may develop SLE1 and 25% of patients with SLE may develop typical chronic discoid lesions at some time during the course of their illness.2

Lupus occurs in all age groups with a mean age varying from 21 years to 50 years3 and a prevalence of 17 to 48 in 100,000,4 with a greater prevalence in Afro-Caribbean people.5 Although LE is an autoimmune disease, it is thought to result from an interplay of certain genetic factors, environmental factors like ultraviolet light, and hormonal factors with antibodies.

The diagnosis of discoid lupus is generally made based on clinical features. Histology may be required to confirm the diagnosis; it is that of a lichenoid tissue reaction with changes at the dermo-epidermal junction that include thickening of the basement membrane (best demonstrated by periodic acid-Schiff staining) and vacuolar degeneration of the basal cells along with perivascular and peri-appendageal inflammatory cell infiltration of a variable degree in the reticular dermis. Hyperkeratosis is more evident and follicular plugging may be seen in more mature lesions.

DLE tends to run a less severe course than SLE and has a better prognosis. It is important for family physicians to recognize DLE because it is a potentially scarring disease. Early referral and institution of treatment by dermatologists increases the hope of minimizing the progression of the disease and consequent socioeconomic impact on the individual.

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Clinical Features

Discoid lupus is by far the most common manifestation of LE.6 It commonly presents with erythematous, scaly papules and plaques (Figure 1) occurring on sun-exposed areas, although 50% of discoid lupus lesions are found on areas of hair-bearing scalp that are presumably protected from the sun6 (Figures 2 and 3). In the localized variety of discoid lupus the lesions tend to be confined to the head and neck and in the generalized variety they occur both above and below the neck. Patients with generalized discoid have significantly greater chances of having laboratory abnormalities and of progressing to systemic LE. Most people with DLE do not have any systemic or serologic abnormality although antinuclear antibodies may be present.

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Plaques on beard and scalp in patient with discoid lupus erythematosus.

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Critical alopecia on scalp caused by discoid lupus erythematosus.

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Extensive loss of scalp hair in a patient with discoid lupus.

Discoid lupus occurs at all ages and among all ethnic groups; it occurs more frequently in women than in men, but the predilection among women is not as marked as in systemic lupus. Discoid lupus starts as an erythematous papule or plaque, usually on the head or neck, with an adherent scale. The lesion tends to spread centrifugally and as it progresses there is follicular plugging and pigmentary changes, generally hyperpigmentation at the periphery, and hypopigmentation with atrophy, scarring, and telengiectasia at the center of the lesion (Figure 4).

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Close-up view of plaque in a patient with discoid lupus.

Involvement of the scalp commonly produces a scarring alopecia,6 but there has been an increase in incidence of alopecia areata among patients with LE.7 Scarring alopecia was present in 34% of 89 patients with DLE and was associated with a prolonged disease course. More than half of those patients had scalp disease at the onset.7 There are no reliable predictors of scalp involvement. Histologically there is a perifollicular lymphocytic inflammation maximal around mid-follicle. The mid-follicle is in fact a very important structure becuase it contains the bulge that contains the follicular stem cells.

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Treatment of Discoid Lupus Erythematosus

DLE is a scarring autoimmune disease that can linger on for a prolonged period, not surprisingly, the psychological impact is considerable.4 Consequently there is a need for treatment, often prolonged, that incurs considerable expenditure for health facilities.

Early effective treatment may lead to total clearing of skin lesions, but failure of treatment results in permanent scarring; the depressed scars, hair loss, and pigmentary changes are often extremely disfiguring, particularly in darker-skinned people.8 According to a 2004 systematic review of treatment of discoid lupus by Jessop et al8 only 30 trials were identified through a search of the Cochrane Clinical Trials Register (December 1999); Medline (January 1966 to December 1999); Embase (January 1980 to January 2000); and Index Medicus (1956 to 1966).8 Only 4 of these were controlled trials and only 2 of the latter were randomized (A, level 2). Accordingly, more evidence is needed to guide clinicians to the best treatment options for DLE, particularly for the severe type.

The treatment of DLE would in most instances be initiated at a dermatology department, but before instituting treatment for discoid lupus patients should be assessed for systemic involvement. This should include a full history and physical examination, full blood count, erythrocyte sedimentation rate, midstream urine, and antinuclear antibody.9 If SLE is suspected, anti-double stranded DNA, extractable nuclear antigen, C3/C4, and renal review should also be included.9

General Measures
Because cutaneous lesions of lupus are known to be induced or exacerbated by exposure to ultraviolet light, a logical approach in the management of discoid lupus must include sun avoidance and the liberal application of sunscreens. Patients should be educated about the use of sunscreens and protective clothing and behavior modification to avoid sun exposure, particularly between 10 AM and 4 PM. They should also be aware of water, snow, and sand surfaces, from which ultraviolet light may be reflected, and where harm can occur from reflected ultraviolet light.

They should be instructed to use sunscreens daily and apply liberally; they should reapply them if there has been prolonged sun exposure or when they are wet.10 Protection against both ultraviolet A and ultraviolet B is desirable because lupus is aggravated by both.11,12 With disfigurement and alopecia, patients may benefit from advice on camouflage and the wearing of a wig.

Topical Corticosteroids
Topical steroids are the mainstay of treatment of DLE. Patients usually start with a potent topical steroid applied twice a day, then switch to a lower-potency steroid as soon as possible. The minimal use of steroids reduces the recognized side effects like atrophy, telengiaectasiae, striae, and purpura.

Intralesional Steroids
Intralesional steroids are particularly useful to treat chronic lesions, hyperkeratotic lesions, and those that do not respond adequately to topical steroids. Lesions at particular sites, eg, the scalp, may also benefit. Recognized side effects of intralesional steroids include cutaneous atrophy and dyspigmentation, which are not significant risks in experienced hands.13 Oral steroids may be required for the control of systemic lupus but are not generally beneficial in DLE. For patients with progressive or disseminated disease or in those with localized disease that does not respond to topical measures, the addition of systemic agents should be considered.

Antimalarials
Treatment with antimalarial drugs constitutes first-line systemic therapy for DLE. Therapy with antimalarials, either used singly or in combination, is usually effective.14 The 3 commonly used preparations include chloroquine, hydroxychloroquin, and mepacrine. Mepacrine is not freely commercially available in the United States but is freely available in other countries like the United Kingdom.

It is customary to start hydroxychloroquine at a dose of 200 mg per day for an adult and, if there are no untoward gastrointestinal or other side effects, to increase the dose to twice a day. No more than 6.5 mg/kg/day should be administered. It is important to emphasize to the patient that it may take between 4 to 8 weeks for any clinical improvement. In some patients who do not respond to hydroxychloroquine, chloroquine may be more effective. Some patients do not respond well to monotherapy with either hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, and in such cases the addition of mepacrine may be of benefit.15

In general, hydroxychloroquine and mepacrine are safe, well-tolerated drugs and adverse effects are relatively few, the most widely recognized being retinal toxicity.16 Chloroquine causes macular pigmentation that progresses to a typical bull's eye lesion and then to widespread retinal pigment epithelial atrophy resembling retinitis pigmentosa.16 This is dose related and can largely be avoided. The side effect spectrum between chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine is different, with ocular toxicity being mainly, although perhaps not exclusively, seen after chloroquine use. To prevent overdosing, doses should be calculated not on the actual weight of the patient but on ideal (lean) body weight;17 this substantially reduces the risk of retinal toxicity.

Other adverse effects of antimalarials include gastrointestinal symptoms, eg, nausea and vomiting, and cutaneous side effects including pruritus, lichenoid drug reactions, annular erythema, hyperpigmentation, and hematological disturbances like leukopenia and thrombocytopenia.18 Hemolysis is reported in individuals who are deficient in the enzyme glucose-6-phosphate-dehydrogenase. Hydroxychloroquine has, on rare occasions, caused toxic psychosis when used for the treatment of discoid lupus.19 Prolonged mepacrine therapy may produce a yellow discoloration of the skin and urine. Hepatitis and aplastic anemia have also been reported.

Potentially more toxic therapeutic medication needs to be used in the management of many cases of DLE; however, topical tacrolimus ointment has been found recently to be useful in the management of DLE (see below). The different forms of therapeutic agents used in the management of DLE are highlighted in Table 1.

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Different Drugs Used in the Treatment of Discoid Lupus Erythematosus

Thalidomide may provide one of the most useful therapeutic alternatives for chronic refractory DLE, although its distribution is limited to a few countries because of the risk of teratogenicity and polyneuropathy.20 However, in a retrospective study of 18 patients with chronic DLE, Brocard et al21 found low-dose thalidomide treatment was efficacious with good tolerance, with the most frequent side effect being usually mild asthenia.

Other Drugs Used for the Treatment of DLE
Methotrexate
In 1995, Bottomley and Goodfield22 found that methotrexate may be of help to patients with DLE resistant to conventional treatment; short-term treatment is unlikely to be complicated by any significant side effects.22 Full blood count and liver function along with renal function need to be checked before commencing treatment with methotrexate and regularly thereafter because it can cause myelosuppresion and hepatic and renal impairment.

Cyclosporin A
This is a potent immunosuppressant because of its immunomodulating effect on helper T-cell function, inhibiting lymphocyte activation and proliferation. Because DLE is an inflammatory dermatosis with T-cell infilterate it should not be surprising if cyclosporine is effective in the management of the condition. In 1994 Yell and Burge23 tried cyclosporine in 2 patients with severe DLE and concluded that it was effective at a dose of 4 to 5 mg/kg/day, but others have not confirmed this finding. Blood pressure and kidney function need to be monitored, and hypertension is a common side effect. It can also cause gingival hyperplasia and hirsutism. Lipid disturbances can also occur and therefore serum cholesterol and triglycerides have to be monitored.

Tacrolimus
Tacrolimus is a macrolide derived from the fungus Streptomyces tsukubaensis and has been used in recent years to treat a number of inflammatory and autoimmune conditions. When used as an ointment it acts as a local immunosuppressive agent. Walker et al24 reported 2 patients with severe recalcitrant chronic discoid lupus that had not responded to potent topical steroids or antimalarials but dramatically responded to topical tacrolimus ointment in one case and a combination of clobetasol ointment and tacrolimus in the other.24 Recently, Tzung et al25 conducted a randomized double-blind study in which 20 patients were enrolled but only 11 women and 7 men (13 with malar rash of SLE, 4 with DLE, and 1 with SCLE) completed the study. All patients had facial cutaneous LE and were instructed to apply 0.1% tacrolimus ointment twice daily to the affected areas on one side of the face and 0.05% clobetasol propionate ointment on the other side; this was randomly assigned for each patient. The severity of lesions was assessed at each visit (weeks 0–4 and posttreatment week 4) using a 7-point rating scale. They found tacrolimus was as efficient as clobetasol in treating cutaneous LE (B, level 2).25

Mycophenolate mofetil
This is an immunosuppressive agent that has been added relatively recently to the other drugs in this group and has been used increasingly in recent years for the treatment of various dermatoses that are inflammatory or autoimmune in origin. Mycophenolate is an ester prodrug of mycophenolic acid, initially isolated from Penicillium species.26 Goyal and Nousari27 described 2 cases of refractory discoid lupus involving the palms and soles that responded satisfactorily to mycophenolate mofetil.

Azathioprine
Azathioprine, a potentially toxic drug, has been used in refractory cases of discoid lupus, with particular success among those with the involvement of the palms of the hands and the soles of the feet.28 It is a synthetic derivative of 6-mercaptopurine and is an immunosuppressive drug. There are wide differences in the activity of the enzyme thiopurine methyltransferase in different individuals, which can be measured by a blood test. The chances of myelosuppression in a patient with very low levels of thiopurine methyltransferase are significantly greater than in others.

Other forms of treatment have recently been found to be useful in the treatment of DLE. Gul et al29 described a case of generalized DLE successfully treated with 5% Imiquimod cream applied to lesions once a day 3 times a week. After 20 applications all of the lesions regressed significantly. Usmani and Goodfield30 reported good to excellent responses in 12 out of 13 patients with DLE who were treated with efalizumab, a monoclonal antibody directed against CD 11a (discoid lupus is known to be predominantly t-cell mediated). Finally, Koch et al31 suggest cryotherapy as a treatment option in cases of DLE lesions that are resistant to local or systemic recommended therapy. The standard therapies for the management of cutaneous lupus, including sunscreens, protective clothing, and behavioral alteration, and topical steroids with or without an antimalarial agent are often not used appropriately and can result in a situation in which the patient has a refractory disease.32

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Conclusion

DLE is a chronic scarring and potentially disfiguring disease seen in all parts of the world and among all ethnic groups. It is an important cause of irreversible hair loss and is associated with considerable morbidity. It is extremely important for family physicians to diagnose this relatively uncommon condition early because early effective treatment is important to promote the resolution of established lesions and to prevent scarring. There are several forms of treatment that are effective to a lesser or greater degree than others. There are too few properly conducted randomized trials to enable an informed choice by clinicians. Clinicians at the present time are, therefore, likely to choose their preferred treatment based on their own experience. There is a need for further large randomized, controlled, and possibly multinational trials to be conducted that compare the effectiveness and safety of one form of treatment compared with another.

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This article was externally peer reviewed.
Funding: none.
Prior presentation: Much of this work was presented as the author's MSc Thesis in Clinical Dermatology; permission for use granted by St. John's Institute of Dermatology, King's College, London.
Conflict of interest: none declared.
Received for publication April 13, 2008.
Revision received June 23, 2008.
Accepted for publication July 1, 2008.
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This is very interesting re MJ's nose. I cam across a reference to this in a post online made by someone who knew about or had this condition.This person said if you have ENS insomnia is a feature of it. I am not saying MJ had this--just a possibility??

Empty nose syndrome
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CT pictures depicting different types of abnormal nasal anatomy following turbinectomies that result in ENS.
In otolaryngology, empty nose syndrome (ENS) describes a nose that has been physiologically crippled by excessive surgical removal of turbinates in the nose (mainly the inferior turbinates) in a surgical procedure known as 'turbinectomy' or 'conchotomy'. It is therefore an iatrogenic condition that can and should be avoided.
Contents [hide]
1 Main symptoms
2 Etiology
3 Diagnosis
4 Prognosis
5 Currently available treatment options
5.1 Non-surgical treatment
5.2 Surgical treatment
5.3 Implant materials
6 Additional images
7 References
8 External links
Main symptoms[edit]

The two main physical symptoms are:
Chronic nasal dryness Often leads to chronic mucosal inflammation and pain. Chronic inflammation can cause areas of the mucosa to atrophy and this is why some studies refer to this condition as "secondary atrophic rhinitis".[1][2][3][4][5] At least one large study concluded that it can take 7.1 years, on average, for symptoms of atrophic rhinitis to appear and urges the examining physician to look for early signs and to try to counter them with self administered daily nasal irrigations and moisturization by the patient.[6]
Paradoxical obstruction - The feeling that the nose is stuffy, often accompanied by a constant or frequently occurring troubling feeling of suffocation generated by poor airflow feedback from the nasal mucosa, either because of atrophy of the trigeminal nerve endings that are supposed to generate this sensation, their lack of responsiveness because of the mucosa becoming too dry or going through metaplasia, or simply because of the loss of normal nasal aerodynamics following the turbinectomy. Without good and constant airflow sensation of the air flowing through the nose, the nervous feedback to the central nervous system is that of suffocation and or undifferentiated breathing difficulties arise.[7][8][9]
Other predominant symptoms are lack of a good night's sleep and chronic fatigue.[10] The chronic nature of the physical symptoms has a significant impact on the patient's quality of life and sense of well-being, causing difficulty concentrating, pre-occupation with symptoms, anxiety, and clinical depression.[11] Also, development of asthma and chronic bronchitis is not uncommon, as the nose is the guardian of the lungs.[12][13][14]

Etiology[edit]



Squamous metaplasia of nasal respiratory epithelium.
The turbinates are known as the main humidifying, heat exchanging, air-filtering, airflow controlling and airflow sensing structures of the nose. They control, heat, humidify and filter the airflow by streamlining it around them as it progresses through the nose, thus significantly increasing the mucosal surface that comes into contact with the airflow. Their integrity and function is crucial for maintaining nasal and sinus health and physiology. Built aerodynamically from anterior to posterior they are designed to not over obstruct breathing while processing the airflow.[15]
The turbinates play a vital role in protecting the inner nasal mucosa and allowing it to recuperate and regenerate. A normal nose of an adult processes on average 10,000 liters of air in 24 hours, it therefore needs some form of resting period to recuperate and maintain good health and integrity of the delicate respiratory epithelium layer that lines the entire nasal airway and sinuses. The recuperation of the nose is achieved by a phenomenon known as the 'nasal cycle'. Every 3–6 hours one side of the nose congests with blood while the other remains decongested - thus the majority of the workload of breathing is done through the decongested side while the congested side rests and recuperates. When the inferior turbinates are resected the nasal cycle can no longer fully congest the side of the nose where they were resected and therefore much of the natural recuperation capability on that side is lost.[16]
There are typically three pairs of turbinates in the human nose - the inferior concha, the middle concha and the superior concha. Each pair is very different in size and in shape, and each protect a different region of the nasal cavity: The inferior turbinates are the largest and extend all across the lower part of the nasal cavity, from the very front of the nose almost up to the nasopharynx. As the inferior turbinates are the largest and the first to mitigate the inspired air, their loss has the most profound effect on the physiology of the remaining mucosa. The middle turbinates hover above the inferior turbintaes and begin from approximately the midsection of the nasal cavity. They are much smaller and unlike the inferior turbinates harbour some olfactory nerve axons and protect the upper regions of the cavity, in particularly the olfactory bundle of nerves at the roof of the nose and the openings of the ethmoid and frontal sinuses. Their loss will play a lesser role in the overall reduction of the retained heat and humidity in the nose, but it might impact the quality of the sense of smell and the health of the ethmoid and frontal sinuses. The superior turbinates are tiny in comparison to the inferior and middle ones and have the sole role of being the last line of protection around the olfactory bulb.
The loss of too much turbinate tissue may cause the remaining mucosa at the vicinity of the site of resection, and directly behind and above that area, to gradually become more and more inflamed, dry, go through metaplasia, endertitis and eventually atrophy. As a result all four major functions of the nose become impaired: breathing, defense, olfaction, and phonology. This can take many years to fully develop, which may complicate the proper diagnosis. ENS is sometimes seen in patients who have lost relatively little of their turbinate tissue and whose turbinates appear to be almost normal in size; this is especially true in cases of anterior inferior turbinate (IT) resection because of its important role in the internal nasal valve.[10] ENS symptoms are often felt by patients soon after turbinectomy procedures.[10]
Diagnosis[edit]

The clinician should suspect ENS when the following findings are present: The patient complains of poor nasal breathing and often a relentless sensation of suffocation or shortness of breath despite having a patent (typically over-patent) nasal airway. The patients typically complain of nasal dryness too. These symptoms appeared only after the patient underwent a turbinate reductive procedure. Sometimes, many years later.
On examination the nasal cavity should look abnormally spacious, lacking (part of) one or both turbinates (the inferior and/or middle turbinates). Mucosal pathology varies greatly. In some patients, the mucosa is dry and pale because of metaplasia; in others, it is red because of chronic infection. Crusting may range from absent to severe. The symptoms and findings are believed to be caused by abnormal aerodynamics, chronic inflammation and dryness leading to loss of airflow sensation that feels like dyspnea.[17]
The diagnosis is often complicated because it is common to find that the remaining tissues are hypertrophied (in response to the dryness and constant aggravation of over-turbulent air currents).
Prognosis[edit]

There has been very little research conducted on this condition and hardly any long-term follow-ups. For many years this condition was overlooked or mistaken because of secondary problems that usually occur after radical nasal turbinectomies. For instance, the remaining mucosal structures (the septum and the remaining turbinates) often hypertrophy, causing actual physical obstruction on top of the already existing paradoxical obstruction.
The lack of long-term follow-ups of patients with this condition makes it difficult to estimate what percentage of patients, if any, will enjoy a spontaneous recovery or at least a significant enough improvement in their symptoms. But, given that the main cause of the symptoms is the gross loss of normal inner nasal anatomy, it is not likely that this condition can cure itself.
Dr. Eugene Kern, who coined the term "empty nose syndrome", claims that this condition often gets worse over the years through increasing wear and tear of the remaining mucosa in the nasal cavity, because the lack of turbinates leaves the mucosa overexposed to unduly patent currents of unfiltered, and under-conditioned airflow on every inspiring breath. In fact, he maintains that there is an unknown threshold of loss of turbinate tissue from which the nasal mucosa can not recuperate from the daily onslaught of direct airflow. Kern and Moore conducted a large retrospective study of 242 patients which they carefully examined over several years at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester (MN, USA), all of whom had undergone some form of partial or radical turbinectomy, following which they had developed symptoms of atrophic rhinitis. They called this condition "empty nose syndrome" to depict how unnatural these noses looked in CT findings and upon physical examination. They emphasized how negatively this condition had affected their quality of life and sense of well being and the fact that in many of the patients the symptoms seemed to worsen over the years, indicating further damage and wear and tear due to the loss of turbinate protection, as there was no other cause that could explain this.[6] Their findings corroborated early conclusions about turbinectomies that were adopted by ENT communities world-wide after these surgeries first started in the late 19th century and are further more supported by several prominent other studies from the late 20th century following patients that had undergone radical inferior turbinectomies, but some supporters of turbinectomies remain unconvinced as there have been several long-term follow-up studies that claim to have found no major long-term ill effect. So, the controversy remains, although the pendulum has nowadays shifted back amongst most nasal surgeons towards the importance of keeping as much as turbinate tissue possible when performing turbinate reductive procedures.[18]
The patients can replace some of the lost moisture to reduce the risks of mucosal atrophy by coating their nasal lining with protective gels and using saline mist sprays and irrigations, but it seems that unless the turbinates are functionally reconstructed there is little hope to fully recover from this condition.
In recent years there have been several reports of attempts to reconstruct the inferior turbinates of the nose through submucusal implantation of various implant materials, in an attempt to restore normal nasal aerodynamics and physiology. The sample of patients reported on was very small and the follow-up was relatively short, but the results showed some promise.[10][19][20] A study published in 2010 concluded that surgical reduction of the open cross-section of an 'empty nose' in order to positively influence aerodynamics and to increase airway-resistance does not, however, alter the conditioning function of the nose, which is irreversibly damaged.[9] Another study reported that when ciliated cells have been lost because of degeneration of the nasal mucosa, even surgical closure of the nostrils does not make the number of cilia increase again.[6]
There is hope among patients that with recent advances made in regenerative medicine otolaryngologists will begin to explore ways to use stem cells and tissue engineering technology to fully reconstruct the inferior turbinates of the nose and restore it back to normal.
Currently available treatment options[edit]

Non-surgical treatment[edit]
Non-surgical treatment options are meant to maintain and improve the health of the remaining nasal mucosa in the ENS nose by keeping it moist and free of infection and irritation and by maintaining a good blood supply:
Keeping the nasal passages moist with saline based mist sprays or gels.*
Nasal irrigations of regular saline (Many patients prefer to use Ringer's Lactate solution with added xylitol instead, as they find it soothes the mucosa more than regular saline, and there are some empirical studies that back up that claim[citation needed]).
Irrigations of saline with 80 mg of gentimycin if ozena occurs.
Systemic medication as indicated for pain and or depression which is common (about 50%) in patients with this syndrome.
Sleeping with a cool mist humidifier.
Regular daily physical exercise and maintaining good general health to reduce the risk of deterioration of symptoms.
Surgical treatment[edit]


Right partially reduced inferior turbinate before cotton test to verify ENS symptoms


Cotton applied to simulate the resistance that an implant will add to the over-reduced inferior turbinate.
Surgical treatment involves narrowing back the over enlarged nasal cavity—either by bulking up the partially resected turbinates with biological implant material (in cases where at least 50% of the inferior turbinate remain from anterior to posterior) or by creating neo-turbinates through submucosal implantation between the submucosa and bone in key locations in the nasal cavity. Of course, in some cases a combined approach is the best choice. The main difficulty with implant surgery is to achieve a long lasting bulk that will not get absorbed over time. Sometimes a procedure has to be repeated several times to get a sustainable result. The most physiological location for an implant is the lateral wall of the nasal cavity, where the inferior turbinate used to project from. An easier location to implant is the septum, but it is less favorable as it is not the natural location of the turbinates and may over obstruct the airflow.
The underlying rationale of surgery is to restore the natural inner nasal geometrical contours of the nasal passages of air (the inferior, middle, and superior meatuses), as much as possible, to mitigate the airflow just enough to restore normal rates of inner nasal humidity and temperature that will allow the mucosa to recuperate and sense the airflow well enough. It is paramount to do so while trying to restore the normal aerodynamics of the airflow in the nose, otherwise nasal obstruction will occur.
Pre-surgical planning has a tremendous impact on the success of the procedure. The surgeon is advised to perform a cotton test prior to the implantation: the surgeon places saline soaked chunks of cotton wool at the pre-planned site of implantation to simulate the implant. By doing so, he restricts and normalizes the nasal airflow patterns. This restores nasal aerodynamics. By trying different locations in accordance to the patient's feedbacks regarding the quality of his breathing and other ENS symptoms, it is possible to pinpoint the exact placement for the implants and their estimated shape and size.
Turbinate tissue is unique and there are no potential donor sites in the body from which to harvest similar tissue. However, in the nose, form equals function. It is therefore possible to restore some function by restoring the natural contours and proportions of the nasal passages: It is possible to create an artificial look-alike structure of a turbinate in the nasal cavities, and thus to regain some of the nose's capabilities to adequately resist, streamline, heat, humidify, filter, and sense the airflow.[10]
A video demonstrating lateral wall implantation to create a bulk of tissue that will simulate the shape and function of the resected inferior turbinate.
Implant materials[edit]


Before and after implantation of the lateral wall with Alloderm to simulate the function of the missing inferior turbinate.
The bulking up of the sub-mucosa and mucosa to create a neo-turbinate structure can be achieved through implanting some supporting material between the bone/cartilage and also into the submucosal layer. Many materials have been tried over the past 100 years. In most cases this operation was used to restore heat and humidity to atrophic noses.
Generally speaking, the implant materials can be divided into 3 groups:
autografts: bone, cartilage, fat, etc. from one site to another in the same patient. The problems here are relative shortage of tissue, and long term studies have shown high absorption rates in the nose. A Chinese study reported long-term success using iliac bone autografts.[21]
foreign materials: such as fibrin glue, Teflon, Gore-Tex, and plastipore, which solve the problem of shortage of autografts, are easy to shape and do not tend to get absorbed. However they have a high extrusion rate, and sometimes cause infection. A case study of good retention of hydroxyapatite cement in one patient has been reported in 2000, but the follow-up was only 1 year long.[22]
allografts: In the last two decades scientists have been able to harvest and remove away genetic markers of some basic human tissues (like skin dermis) from donors, and thus supplying a human natural implant material which does not stimulate the immune system to reject it. A good example for such material is acellular dermis (brand named "Alloderm"). It does not get rejected and in most areas retains most of its volume over long periods.[10]
The ideal implant material, other than real original turbinate tissue should be something with low extrusion and rejection rates, minimal infection risk, and—very importantly—that will provide a strong and durable enough structure that at the same time allows good permeability for blood vessel incorporation, which seems to be the key against long term absorption.

edit: I read that after the first surgery after a fall during rehearsal, MJ reported difficulty breathing. This is a symptom of ENS (see above), but of course, it is not definitive as maybe the difficulty breathing was caused by something else???
 
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"There was also a patchy anthracotic pigment deposition that involved primarily the superior and lateral portions of the upper and lower lung lobes, with band-like distributions along the rib cage."

I looked up what "anthracotic" means and I found this:

anhtracosis - the deposition of coal dust in the lungs; asymptomatic pneumoconiosis.

I find that odd because MJ was not a smoker. I wonder if it's because of the air pollution in LA - or perhaps even goes back to Gary, Indiana?

Michael started to work in clubs when he was only 5 years and I imagine there was much cigarette smoke there that he was exposed to.
tobacco smoke;
corrode the thin, protective mucus layer, which is normally found in the respiratory tract and usually captures much of the harmful substances that may be present in the inhaled air. This mucus is normally driven upward in the airways of tiny cilia on the cells that are sitting there, and then be coughed out. But also ciliary cells are damaged and the effect is the harmful substances taken up at much higher rates.

The human body can be amazing in terms of recovery, but if the lungs are exposed to other things which are harmful to the lungs maybe they don´t have a chance to heal properly.
I think for Michael it was a mix of things it began in Gary , then it can be air pollutions , cigarette smoke etc in several places.
I can imagine a singers lungs are exposed to airpollution in outdoor concerts
 
Unbelievable, discovered why shepherd made that claim about mj's nose. I googled mj's missing nose bridge and collapsed side of the nasal passage and it appears to come from the false autopsy report the sun ran a few days after mj's death and which the la's coroner's office immediately condemned as being wrong. This report also talks about mj being bald which was repeated a few times in the doc, but the real report says mj had 1 and 1/2 inches of short, tightly curled hair. Shepherd seems to have been working with elements from the real report as well as he says mj's weight was normal while the sun's report had him severly emaciated, so god knows what 'autopsy report' was being used - appears to be elements of both the false one in the sun and the real one. What a complete joke this programme is - can't even get the right autopsy report and has a compeltely wrong timeline for mj's last hours.
 
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AFTER mentioning he had the skin disease Vitiligo which was the reason for him using the stuff in the first place. Ignoring fact and twisting things makes you just as bad as them.

I am mixed on the documentary, but the mentioning of him having Vitiligo was a good thing.

thats false.
looks like you didnt understand what was broadcast.
they said he had vitiligo. they also said he used cream to bleach his skin. but they dont say why he used it. they said nothing and let the viewer believe "hey mj used cream to bleach his skin, he dont want to be black". the general believing that people have since 20-30 years. another stroke from the media to 'prove' the world that they are so so right with their lies. and to stabilize the believing in that story that is out there for decades now, and to motivate the haters more/again.
 
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I'm busy watching this crap on Channel 5 right now and I have to agree with everyone who says that it's the biggest rubbish ever. It IS! It's got trolls like Halperin, Peiffer and Desborough on it talking crap.

While they do admit that he had vitiligo, they say he lied on Oprah when he said he didn't bleach his skin. (they showed a clip with Michael telling Oprah that he was using make up to even out the blotches, so they quickly said it was untrue because they had found bleaching creams). They stress how Michael kept bleaching his skin and became addicted to plastic surgery, changing his face completely, hence his caved in nose and missing bridge. These idiots mixed up Jermaine and Michael, showing Jermaine's pic when he was young and then a Bad era MJ pic, claiming how much MJ had changed his appearance because of his surgery addiction. (well, f'ck me, of course that's a big change and proof of their utter idiocy)
According to this sh*t, Michael has been bald for the past 25 years, wearing a wig instead. Apparently this was his "biggest secret" which they only uncovered now. Oh and don't let me get started on his addiction claims. Not only was he addicted to pain killers (ever since the Pepsi burns) but also to Morphine and alcohol. And of course they were very quick to say that demerol was like heroin ("heroin-like drug"). And poor Murray didn't know what MJ was taking because the latter hid his drug habits well. They claim that MJ was hooked on propofol for over a decade.

"In a 40 year career, Michael had established himself as the most successful act of all time. But his success had long been underpinned by a reliance on prescription drugs. It was such a tragedy seeing him go from this huge larger than life figure down this road of drug dependency. These drugs had turned him into a shell of his former self. He didn't have a choice. He was around $400 million in debt. TII was this is it. It was his make or break comeback. [...]
Jackson's life had been full of turmoil and controversy. In Conrad Murray he hired a doctor who ultimately failed him. From the moment they met Michael's fate was sealed [insert dramatic music]. MJ was a man with numerous physical and psychological problems and to overcome these he'd spiraled into drug dependency and addiction. He was using dangerous drugs in an untested manner. In some ways it's a miracle that he lasted as long as he did."

There you have it. I can't believe I watched this crap.

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I just remembered something else that annoyed me. Due to Michael's debt, he was so desperate to do the shows because he feared his children would become homeless...
Also, when they talked about Michael's missing nose bridge, they actually meant to say nasal septum which separates the nostrils. So in their little re-enactment they showed "Michael" clipping a plastic septum on. Basically, they twisted all the "positives". He had vitiligo but still lied about bleaching his skin. They showed this MJ actor being rubbed all over his body with presumably bleaching creams by an Arnold Klein actor. He was teased by his brothers for having a big nose but became addicted to plastic surgery resulting in a caved in nose and missing septum. He had lupus which caused hairloss and loss of pigmentation but he tattooed his lips and eyebrows and wore a wig (biggest secret ever, apparently *lol* It was glued on *gasp*). He was successful but became an addict after the Pepsi burns. (Basically, he needed drugs to function normally, which they stated later on in this documentary). He had insomnia and insisted Murray (who was reluctant of course) give him "milk" after the latter had given him other drugs which didn't put him to sleep.

All in all, this was indeed a waste of time. Oh, and I apologise for my language.
 
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Hopefully no other country buys that document from channel 5. That crap should stay in the country where it was made and not to be distributed any other country :no:
 
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Also, when they talked about Michael's missing nose bridge, they actually meant to say nasal septum which separates the nostrils. So in their little re-enactment they showed "Michael" clipping a plastic septum on.
No they didn't mean to say septum. It was Shepherd who was working from the autopsy report who specifically made that claim, twice to camera, about the bridge and collapsed side of the nose, because that is exactly what is alleged in the false autopsy report published in the sun. The fact that the cheap, soft focus reenactment of non-lookalikies suggested at some point of the doc that some other type of problem was going on is just another example of the shoddiness of the whole thing. A missing septum is usually indicative of heavy cocaine use.

All in all, this was indeed a waste of time. Oh, and I apologise for my language.
Well i guess that was the purpose of this 12 page thread, to prewarn people that it was indeed a waste of their time. Thanks for the quotes from teh prog, that quote about it being a miracle mj survived for so long was particularly idiotic coming from shepherd who supposedly was only meant to be looking at his autopsy report.

bubs said:
TV review: Autopsy: Michael Jackson’s Last Hours (C5)

What emerged was an odd mixture of whitewash and exposé, Shepherd scotching the idea that Jackson whitened his skin – the autopsy findings supported the oft scoffed-at skin condition claims – while listing the alarming catalogue of ailments the King Of Pop had tried to keep from the public.
So so telling of the media that when a damaging allegation about mj is shown not to be true, it's called a 'whitewash' ie a cover up. And this reviewer found the doc 'odd' presumably because it wasn't wholly negative and didn't support the idea that mj was ravaged by drugs and a walking corpse before he died. Just shows how deeply ingrained this prejudice against mj is in the media.
 
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^^ Thanks, Bonnie Blue.
Usually I wouldn't bother with this sort of rubbish. I hadn't planned on watching it but I came home at around 2:45 last night and saw that they'd show this at 3. So I decided to watch it because I was also curious as ppl here have mentioned that they had mixed feelings about this documentary. The whole nose issue annoyed me to no end. I guess I was just confused later on when they repeated the whole bridge/collapsed nose issue but showed this MJ actor clipping on a septum. I had had a long day, I was tired and after watching this I was super grumpy *lol* :D Why did I even bother with this crap. So I thought I'd share my views while the doc was still on, hence why I was able to quote the last sentences of the documentary. Gosh, they really had to put on some drama. Those who haven't been able to watch it: you haven't missed out anything. No one will give a sh't about this in future.
 
I hate that they use he 93 Oprah interview as evidence of MJ lying. What about their own CONTINUAL lying? Oh, they forgot about that part! What about all the years of implying or stating he DID NOT have vitiligo?? :(

How in the hell do they know what MJ was doing in 93 re skin treatments? They do not. The vitiligo was a progressive disease--I wish we could do a documentary on their incessant lies and show it every night for a decade--the way they harped on MJ. If we are going to look at lies, let's look at the biggest liars of them all--the media, not to mention the people on that show. Ian Halperin? James Deborough? Jason?
 
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