Book: Remember the Time: Protecting Michael Jackson in His Final Days / Review @pg8

Warszawa320 - What you are getting into is subjective criticism when you so eloquently critique my post.

Of course it is what the book brought out, only you want it to be subjective according to your preference based on your personal feelings or opinion. No need to be so hasty in your judgement. I'm so glad you want to have a dialogue with me. It gives me such a warm and fuzzy feeling!


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sigh.. I simply do not get why you cannot even accept when I agree with you

Ivy, again, you are incorrect.

this is not a matter of correct or incorrect. I have opinions and I'm entitled to that. you might want to respect them and calling them "incorrect" wouldn't change the fact that I'm entitled to my opinion and it won't stop me from expressing my opinions. funny how you are quick to come to defense of Alicat and state she's entitled to her views but you cannot allow me to be entitled to mine.

You can continue to allude to me as

I'm not writing anything specific about you. It's you that keep thinking everything is about you - believe me it's not.

no one has to read a book to state that they do not agree with the subject matter

on page 8 of this thread I wrote "I guess it's possible that some fans might have a trouble with this book if they feel overly protective of Michael's privacy. But like I said it's possible that some might think this is an invasion of privacy." and short while ago I wholeheartedly agreed with Ramona on a similar post.

so I'm quite aware that for example a person can disagree about the concept of this book simply because they think it's invasion of privacy - yes without reading. However that is different than what I'm saying or trying to say. Evaluation of the content does require knowing the content IMO. Don't mix up two different stuff. So I have no issues with someone saying they are against this book and they won't read it because they think it's invasion of privacy. However if someone is going to criticize/comment the specifics of the content, I believe they need to know the full content. That's my approach to everything. I read books, court documents and so on so that I could have the necessary knowledge to comment on the specifics.

Let me clarify this with an example: I think impersonators (ppl who dress, have makeup, act and look like any celebrity) are creepy and I say so without having the need to watch any impersonator. But I also believe if I'm going to comment on abilities/talent of any impersonator I first have to watch that impersonator. Is it clear now?

It was also one of the reasons you were so vocal against the Kickstarter initiative.

not true. I had no issues with the "subject matter", I had questions with the means and approach to the subject matter.

they do NOT have to purchase the book

and I SAID THAT. I wrote library, book store and even buying returning the book. Seriously what are you trying to achieve here?


If the true primary goal is for others to simply read these tales: choose a library, enjoy free time in a local bookstore

again I said that

How anyone can even equate any one of these methods to theft is simply hilarious.

I guess there's a misunderstanding here because at least I personally didn't equate them to theft. However there were some comments that was questionable as they sounded like advocating theft. As I said I'm okay with legitimate ways to read the book without paying for it such as a library and I'm even okay with asking for money back if people feel the book wasn't a quality product.

And tygger seriously aren't you tired of this thing that you keep doing? Even when I agree with you? Going in circles about the same thing again again and again, continuing to disagree when people say they agree with you? Why? What do you want? what are you trying to achieve?

And I'll agree with some other members here, this is supposed to be a thread where we can talk about the book however the thread is seriously derailed and all the fun is taken away from it.


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Ivy I borrowed this from someone's post. Can you take a look at it and tell me if it relates to anything specific in the book. I will really appreciate it:

Petra - those are personal perceptions about the book. They aren't written in the book. I personally did not get the same impressions but eventually everyone would come to their own conclusions.
 
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Tygger;4017638 said:
^^That is AliCat's views AFTER she read the book in a bookstore and she is entitled to that view.

Ivy, again, you are incorrect.

You can continue to allude to me as a Jackson supporter, anti-Estate, whatever you wish, as that is the usual tactic when one cannot defend their argument.

It will not change the fact that no one has to read a book to state that they do not agree with the subject matter. Let that sentence simmer for a moment……. That is why many panned Sullivan’s book without reading it. It was also one of the reasons you were so vocal against the Kickstarter initiative.

It will also not change the fact that if the true primary goal is for others to read these amazing tales of Michael Jackson and his children from his trusty ex-bodyguards, they do NOT have to purchase the book; they simply have to read it if they are so inclined and will feel the magic whether they purchase it or not.

Actually, I wonder why these authors did not simply place these tales on a blog as these tales are for the fans as they have said.

If the true primary goal is for others to simply read these tales: choose a library, enjoy free time in a local bookstore, and/or enjoy a free audiobook trial which was the encouraged method to hear Xscape through Sony Music Unlimited before its release. Many purchased Xscape after hearing it in the free trial. Maybe that will happen with this book as well. How anyone can even equate any one of these methods to theft is simply hilarious.

I just wonder why you never advertised to boycott Jermaine's Jackson book. IMO bodyguards book is better than Jermaine's one. A lot more credible about what was going on in Michael's life at that time. What problem you have with people buying the good product?
 
Wow, this thread has really been hijacked.

It's pretty much impossible for those of us who want to talk about the events in the book to do so. :mello:

But I guess that was the intention.

I've been thinking for days we need a thread specifically for those who've chosen to read the book and simply wish to discuss its contents.
 
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Ivy, reading comprehension is not one of my weaknesses. I am very aware of all sporting activities currently being played so I will only respond to three points in your post.

There were absolutely no comments that even remotely alluded to or advocated theft of this book in this thread.

“Evaluation of the content does require knowing the content IMO:” it is your view and I disagreed with it previously and continue to. Many posters here have commented on excerpts from the book as reprinted in articles and by those who had advanced copies of the book like yourself and Mkgenie. The thread did/does not have a disclaimer stating posters are not allowed to comment on excerpts unless they have purchased the book first (purchased being the key word) and then maybe have read the book as that would be foolish. There is also not a disclaimer anywhere in the thread or the forum at large stating each poster must share one view.

ivy;4017657 said:
funny how you are quick to come to defense of Alicat and state she's entitled to her views but you cannot allow me to be entitled to mine.

I never said you were not entitled to your views. I simply disagree with them. Separate items they are.

By the way, I noticed you have conveniently omitted using an audiobook free trial as a method to experience the magic in these tales several times.


Warszawa320;4017659 said:
I just wonder why you never advertised to boycott Jermaine's Jackson book.

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Bubs, I read the full context of this story that someone posted several pages back. It was that the kids were ill, MJ had taken them to see a doctor and word had got out, by a receptionist (I think) and picked up by the family, that MJ had been there and was sick ... hence their somewhat over the top dead of night visit. It went on to explain Paris didn't get better and thus entered Murray into their lives by doing a house call.

Nothing about an 'intervention' or anything sinister (apart from a slack mouthed receptionist and the difficulties of simply 'going to the doctors') from the bodyguards' perspective.

Sorry, I meant that in Jackson's mind it was an intervention as they testified in AEG trial how many times they had to save Michael form overdose or whatever. Randy's gate crashing was intervention during the AEG trial but in real it was he wanted money from Michael.

The description of "family" gathering outside of the gate all dressed in the black and sun classes made me think of punch of vultures came to have a look if there is a body to pick:ph34r:
 
I am kind of in the middle. I want Michael to have his privacy but I also want people to understand him better. To see what a good person he was. You want some kind of balance if possible. I would prefer a book where Michael is respected and not those other books where they have no clue and make things up. I tend to like more books like Joe Vogel about the work and things like that more. That is just how I feel anyways.

What privacy? Michael lost his privacy the day he died. First in the line selling Michael's privacy was family members(sold interviews to various UK tabloids, books, film), then followed by some friends and associates.
I think it is a little too late to protect his privacy considering what has said and done since 6/2009. The only thing to me is, is it worthy of my purchase and how true it stays to Michael. We ain't going to get 1 single book that portrays Michael like saint Michael, because he is not one, and secondly noone can live their life and be flawless, not even Michael.

Btw, Raymone Bain's book is out soon, so more stuff for us to argue about:)
 
Sorry, I meant that in Jackson's mind it was an intervention as they testified in AEG trial how many times they had to save Michael form overdose or whatever. Randy's gate crashing was intervention during the AEG trial but in real it was he wanted money from Michael.

The description of "family" gathering outside of the gate all dressed in the black and sun classes made me think of punch of vultures came to have a look if there is a body to pick:ph34r:

No probs, just goes to show how even people who were there, participated in and witnessed a certain event, have differing opinions on what was going on, or later portray events as something they weren't. What chance have we got, to understand what the hell really went on in Michael Jackson's world?!
 
marebear;4017574 said:
I am kind of in the middle. I want Michael to have his privacy but I also want people to understand him better. To see what a good person he was. You want some kind of balance if possible. I would prefer a book where Michael is respected and not those other books where they have no clue and make things up. I tend to like more books like Joe Vogel about the work and things like that more. That is just how I feel anyways.

I find myself coming from a more selfish place. I want to know more about MJ for ME. Because I still don't totally get the affect his loss has had on me. I have ALWAYS been a huge MJ fan, but never ever would I have imagined I would feel the grief I have with his passing. Only family members have affected me to the extent his loss has. But I shared one on one experiences with family that bound me to them. Our shared personal memories are what helped me cope, made me laugh, and filled the void their loss caused.

When MJ first died,I was obsessed, bought everything about him, be it books, makeshift DVD's, magazines, everything, needed to learn more about the person who I was intensely grieving. Most of what I bought was junk, and I tossed a lot of things without finishing reading or watching, but I did get some morsels here and there that helped me, warmed me, and made me laugh. It made him less mystical to me, and more than the greatest entertainer that ever lived, but just an even greater human being, that I was even more proud to feel the inexplicable bond.

I am far more selective in what I purchase regarding MJ now and I was not going to buy the bodyguards' book because of their dismissive remarks about Murray's responsibility in MJ's death, but after reading through this thread, I've ordered it. Their insights add to the spectra of my knowledge, and I also just like reading the mundane little stories about him. I have enough insights of him now to know what to take with a grain of salt, or question, or form a different perspective. Just like I am capable of doing with my family members because of the understanding I innately have of them.

Is it all an invasion of his privacy? I suppose it is. But I also think it’s a human response to want to know as much as you can about someone who touches you as deeply as MJ, especially when he's no longer here to show us. (Before his death, I had only bought Moonwalk). He himself was a voracious reader. I would guess he read about those he greatly admired as well. Luckily, I have the board to help me determine what I actually spend my money on.
 
Tygger;4017534 said:
I personally do not believe they were going to London and they stated they were still handling Michael's affairs in Vegas. By the way, they requested the invitations to the memorial and AEG complied.




They previously said the doctor should not be at fault for Michael's passing. After discovering fans did not find those comments acceptable, they refrained from saying such.

Ivy, you are still incorrect. There is a conversation continuing with many vocal posters, not just me, in case you missed it.

My question was why it is so important that any one purchase this book to read the amazing tales of Michael Jackson as can only be told by yet another one of his random saviors. Why assume copyright infringement when anyone can go to a local library or local bookstore and put the book back on the shelf when completed. Copyright infringement should be an issue on a Michael Jackson forum when it comes to Michael’s art not when his ex-employees decide to write a tell-all.

Is Ivy saying that a person is not allowed to go into a bookstore and check a book out to see if they think their hard earned monies should be spent on such a frivolous purchase. You can't sit in one of the chair's and see if you'd like to take the book home, because you enjoy it. I'm not sure if the return policy allows a person to take a book home and then return it because you don't like the book. I think my alternative is what the bookstore would rather have you do. I think the bookstore would rather you not return the book just because you read it and now want to return it, because it wasn't to your liking. At least in the bookstore the book has a chance of not becoming used looking. You can just open the book on your lap and carefully turn the page without leaving fingerprint grime upon it. I don't think that is good business practice. The safer bet would be to just check it out, before purchase. What about buying property? Do you not first do your research, your homework, before you invest your hard earned monies so you don't end up in a situation of "buyer beware"? It was such an easy read, one, because Tanner Colby did his narrative as if the reader did not know Michael Jackson. His research was very similar to my own, that I could easily breeze through his narrative. The parts when the 2 bodyguard's are giving their side of the story, whatever was being discussed wasn't hard to read through either. It coincided with Roger Friedman's tales of the same time period.

I kept thinking I will just keep reading through the book till I find a reason to purchase a book for $26, especially since folk are discussing it on here and I would have loved to have done it, too. Like a book club dialogue, which is now being discussed.

But...as I said before...shrugging my shoulder's... if I may go back to the bookstore. I'm still shaking my head no. It isn't in the area of copyright infringement to go and check out a book at a bookstore, sorry that's just plain ludicrous. Especially in this day and age and with the age old motto of "Buyer beware," would be a safer bet. Besides, I'm still having doubts about Michael in that toy store, in Las Vegas, it's Christmas time and Michael is "overspending as usual" or at least that's what the bodyguard's want you to believe and Michael's bill comes to $10,000 and he has a brand new credit card in his hand. The card is so new, that the message that you can take off once you have called in from an authorized number to verify you are the recipient of such card and Michael stands there like a dummy and in 2007 still has no idea that you are suppose to do such a thing? I'm sorry but that is so asinine I want to throw up at such stupidity. The bodyguard is using this opportunity to show how angry he is about not being paid, adequately, for his services of protecting Michael Jackson and his three children. In fact, the bodyguard's working for the Estate of Michael Jackson to protect Michael's three children earn $200,000 a year!
 
I've been thinking for days we need a thread specifically for those who've chosen to read the book and simply wish to discuss its contents.

I agree. I wish we could have a thread dedicated solely for the fans here who have actually read the book, are not against it, and want to talk about various things in the book.

For me, I have always been concerned about Michael in those post-trial years. I don't think what he had to go through should be buried in the sand and hidden. This book is not disrespectful. It gives an honest account of his later life.
 
Is Ivy saying that a person is not allowed to go into a bookstore and check a book out to see if they think their hard earned monies should be spent on such a frivolous purchase.

I'm not saying that. To the contrary I said it could be done. If you need a refresher :

when tygger said "Why assume copyright infringement when anyone can go to a local library or local bookstore and put the book back on the shelf when completed." , I replied with "That's fine and it's same as buying a book and returning it back if you don't like it. " and then I wrote "Still I recommend reading a book in any legitimate way - library, in the store, buying and so on - over speculating on a book without reading it."

I'm not sure if the return policy allows a person to take a book home and then return it because you don't like the book.

Return policies allow you to return any book that you aren't satisfied with. I have successfully returned books to Barnes and Noble and they take them back no questions asked if you have a receipt, if you return in a certain time period (14 days) and the books look clean. What I suggested is no different than what you suggested as reading the book in the store. You get it, you read it carefully and then return it and get your money back = reading the book without giving any money for it. The same thing as checking it out in the book store. My suggestion gives you more time -several days actually - to read it.

similarly on Amazon you can even get kindle copies of the books and they allow you return them in 7 days. and yes I have personally returned kindle books and hard copy books to Amazon as well.

and as I said for the 10th time now I have no issues with people legitimately reading books in any way and even returning books they aren't satisfied with. So please let's not twist what I said.

I kept thinking I will just keep reading through the book till I find a reason to purchase a book for $26

I recommend Kindle for the cheapest prices ($14) whenever buying books and like I said you have 7 days to return kindle books.

Like a book club dialogue, which is now being discussed.

This is not a book club dialogue, no even close, trust me.

By the way, I noticed you have conveniently omitted using an audiobook free trial as a method

I have no idea what is an audiobook. I personally buy the books and I'm a quick reader so I have never ever listened to a book and don't see myself listening to a book ever. But if there's such free trial, of course feel free to use it if you want.
 
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Petra - those are personal perceptions about the book. They aren't written in the book. I personally did not get the same impressions but eventually everyone would come to their own conclusions.


Ivy thanks. Good to know it was just impressions, I thought there were direct comments in the book that backed them up. That is why it is so important to listen to various people's opinions.

Krik your comment: I've been thinking for days we need a thread specifically for those who've chosen to read the book and simply wish to discuss its contents. I don't think that works. The forum does this and it never works, because the people who disagree will still go into the thread for those who agree and put their own opinions in it. Then, they will go into the thread that is for them and put the same opinions there too. I saw that happen with the Michael thread and the illusion thread. In the end you have multiple threads doing the same thing.

To me, a thread only derails if the one person who is doing it has someone from the other side responding to him/here. If you guys who read the book keep discussing the book and ignore/pass over the post of the offender(s), then maybe I will learn some more about this book. I am still trying to get a feel of it.
 
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But...as I said before...shrugging my shoulder's... if I may go back to the bookstore. I'm still shaking my head no. It isn't in the area of copyright infringement to go and check out a book at a bookstore, sorry that's just plain ludicrous. Especially in this day and age and with the age old motto of "Buyer beware," would be a safer bet. Besides, I'm still having doubts about Michael in that toy store, in Las Vegas, it's Christmas time and Michael is "overspending as usual" or at least that's what the bodyguard's want you to believe and Michael's bill comes to $10,000 and he has a brand new credit card in his hand. The card is so new, that the message that you can take off once you have called in from an authorized number to verify you are the recipient of such card and Michael stands there like a dummy and in 2007 still has no idea that you are suppose to do such a thing? I'm sorry but that is so asinine I want to throw up at such stupidity. The bodyguard is using this opportunity to show how angry he is about not being paid, adequately, for his services of protecting Michael Jackson and his three children. In fact, the bodyguard's working for the Estate of Michael Jackson to protect Michael's three children earn $200,000 a year!

How would Michael have known how to authorize a credit card? I'll bet he never had to do that ever in his life, until he lost almost everyone around him who previously supported him and did those types of tasks for him? He never had to deal with anything like pre-authorizing a card before it's use, ever. I found that totally believable and it doesn't make Michael look bad at all in my eyes. It just shows that his life experiences are totally different than ours.

And yes, he did like to go shopping at times. That's all he's ever known, and he was always lead to believe (by people like Raymone) that deals were coming through, etc.

Michael was totally different. His behavior/reactions were a product of how his life has always been. And he was thrust into a whole different world after the trial, and people expect him to have the coping skills of someone "experienced" like us average people??? The bodyguards even specifically address this issue in this book and do not blame Michael.

I don't get it. I don't need Michael to be perfect or expect him to fit the description of "normal". But he was trying to be normal. That's all he wanted, but the world around him would never let him. So what if he did things different than us? Why wouldn't he? And that shouldn't make him look bad.
 
GreenEyes what I am getting from your post ^^ is that you are stating or understanding the information within the context the BG gave rather than someone who just glanced at parts of the book, so they did not know the buildup/rationale/explanations that occurred before and after the statement that jumped out at them. I am beginning to see now why there is such diverse impressions of the book. That is why it is important to read something in its entirety. I must thank you because the book is gaining a clearer perspective for me.
 
@Petra - below you'll find a review that mostly expresses what I felt about this book with and bolded some parts specifically for you.

The Bodyguards: On ‘Remember the Time: Protecting Michael Jackson in His Final Days’

JUNE 5, 2014
by REMBERT BROWNE

“The vultures. They’re going to start coming now. Everybody is going to want something, and nobody is going to trust anybody else. You’re about to see the ugliness in people. Just wait.”

Michael Jackson said this in 2008, the year before he died, to Bill Whitfield. For the last two and a half years of Michael Jackson’s life — December 2006 to June 2009 — Whitfield, along with Javon Beard, were arguably the closest people to Jackson. But not the Michael Jackson any of us know. Not the Michael Jackson any of us have read about. Not the Michael Jackson any of us have heard rumors about. Not the Michael Jackson any of us have adored. And not the Michael Jackson any of us have hated.

As the personal security detail for a reclusive, mostly out of work Michael and his three children, Prince, Paris, and Blanket, Whitfield and Beard saw Michael Jackson, the father. Michael Jackson, the man. And Michael Jackson, the human being. And although other people came in and out of the family’s life, Bill and Javon were the constants. The ones who spent time with the family, almost every single hour of every single day.

Their account is detailed in Remember the Time: Protecting Michael Jackson in His Final Days, a back-and-forth exchange between the two men as told to journalist Tanner Colby. To say it’s captivating is an understatement, because its noticeable lack of sensationalism launches you into a world in which you become enthralled with the idea of Michael Jackson doing normal things. Or at least attempting to do normal things.


A sizable portion of the book is dedicated to showing Michael, the family man, through a wide lens. There are no glimpses, because until the final days, when those “vultures” Whitfield spoke of fully took control of his life, around the time of the This Is It tour, they saw everything. They traveled with the family from home to home as Michael attempted to get further and further from the limelight, creating a semi-nomadic, borderline-homeless existence for him and his children. They took every security measure necessary to escort the family through public spaces, occasionally going unnoticed, but typically being outed, forcing the team into security overdrive. They were tasked with responding to every one of Michael’s objects of intense paranoia, particularly his obsession with not having his children photographed. This wasn’t because Jackson was a freak — as he’s commonly thought of — but, he reasoned, because if no one knew what they looked like, that increased the likelihood they could exist in plain sight. Like normal children.

The rationale Whitfield and Beard offer for some of the King of Pop’s decisions may force you to reconsider your feelings about him. Their prose is shockingly agenda-free. When I sat down with Colby before reading the book, he mentioned that Whitfield and Beard had been offered the opportunity to write “tell-alls” for years, but repeatedly turned them down. They weren’t trying to become one of the “vultures,” he said. They weren’t trying to make money off of Michael’s name, like everyone else. Before reading the book, you hear that and think, Well, they just wrote a book, aren’t they kind of doing that?

But then you read it, and it makes sense. They knew those vultures up close and personal, and reviled them. The book is strictly a fly-on-the-wall account of everything they saw in the world surrounding Jackson during one of the least understood, shoddily documented, rumor-filled periods of his life. And although so much is dedicated to the Jackson family doing things any other family would do (things you’ve never imagined Michael doing), like chomping French fries in the McDonald’s parking lot, this is still Michael Jackson. And some of the things Whitfield and Beard saw and experienced are beyond comprehension.

Like the time Michael’s miserable brother Randy Jackson drove a Mercedes SUV through Michael’s gate, demanding to speak to him.

Whitfield: I came between [Randy's car] and the house, drew my pistol and took aim at the driver. I had the laser sight right on his chest and the only thing running through my mind was, Whoever this is, they’re about to get shot. The driver ducked down and out the corner of my eye I saw this woman in the passenger seat. That threw me. I wasn’t expecting to see a woman. Then the driver lifted his head up and I saw who it was and I froze. Holy shit, I thought. That’s his brother. That’s Randy Jackson.

Beard: He started screaming, cussing his brains out, rapping all this stuff about money he’s owed and how he’s not leaving without it. Michael owe me money! I want my ****in’ money! I ain’t ****in’ moving till I get my ****in’ money!

Whitfield: I didn’t care what he wanted. I just wanted him outside the gate. I put my pistol away, trying to cool things down. I asked him to exit his vehicle so we could talk in a civilized manner. He refused. He just sat there in the car, threatening to call the press if he didn’t get to see his brother. I didn’t want him to call the press, and I couldn’t call the cops because that would just bring the press too. I was stuck. I had this angry little asshole cussing in my face, and I couldn’t do anything about it.

Eventually, Whitfield tells Mr. Jackson — as they refer to Michael throughout the book; that or “boss” — who simply says, “Get rid of him.” Eventually, in an odd turn of events, Whitfield and Beard call Joe Jackson, of all people. “Randy’s a grown-ass man, and here we were calling his daddy to come and clean up his mess” said Whitfield, which eventually led to Joe showing up and convincing Randy to leave.

This is a wild story — though par for the course for the wild Jackson family — but the context is equally bizarre. That night, Michael, with Whitfield and Beard in tow, prepared to make a rare public appearance at Elizabeth Taylor’s 75th birthday party. Michael was as excited as ever because he was going to surprise his dear friend Liz. He’d flown Roberto Cavalli out to Vegas, where they were living, so he could make Michael a custom outfit. Whitfield and Beard purchased new suits, at Michael’s request. The house was buzzing that day — this kind of glitz wasn’t normal at this stage of his life.

And then stupid Randy showed up and ruined it all. Michael, devastated by the incident, couldn’t do anything but retire to bed.

The story is action-packed, drama-filled, and a gossip magazine’s dream. But in it are a handful of common themes that run throughout the book. Especially the idea of Michael being debilitatingly nonconfrontational, exhibited here by not wanting to deal with his family’s mess himself, and also his family’s being a mess. (During this time, Michael demanded that everyone in the family make appointments, with this exception of his mother.) But, more than anything, it illuminates Michael wanting to do “normal” things, only for the plan to somehow go awry.

And as was with the offhand mention of Elizabeth Taylor and Roberto Cavalli, throughout the book you learn who Michael came in contact with through these final years. There are multiple mentions of Will.i.am, Akon, and Kanye West spending time in the studio with Michael, house visits by Chris Tucker, Eddie Griffin, and former Atlanta mayor and U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Andrew Young. There’s the time they went to Jesse Jackson’s birthday party. And there’s the story of Michael Jackson and O.J. Simpson being friends from back in the day, capped by Michael telling Whitfield and Beard that O.J. stayed at the Neverland Ranch after he was acquitted.

The stories Whitfield and Beard relay are startling to read now, but they’re also highly amplified by what fantastic storytellers they are. When the job became aggravating — they went unpaid for long periods at a time — you can feel the frustration in their words. When the job became stressful, that stresses out the reader. When they were worried about the children missing out on a proper childhood, or concerned about how they’d learn about Michael Jackson’s passing, you can feel how close they’d grown to this family. When they were defensive, you could feel them ready to fight on Michael’s behalf (examples: Randy Jackson, Katt Williams, hecklers on the street). When there was doubt about working with Michael Jackson, you could really understand their internal struggles. And when spending all your time with Michael Jackson seemed funny, they somehow make it seem even funnier in the retelling.

Whitfield: Any time we went to the movies, he insisted on bringing spray butter and hot sauce for the popcorn. Had to have them. Would not start the movie without them. Sometimes we’d get to the theater, and I’d be thinking that Javon had brought the spray butter and hot sauce, and Javon was thinking that I’d brought the spray butter and hot sauce. When we realized our mistake, one of us would have to run to the store to pick them up. Sometimes we’d have the managers hold the movie until we could get the spray butter and hot sauce safely delivered.

I don’t care what anybody says about Michael Jackson trying to act like or turn himself into a white man. Anybody who insists on taking his own spray butter and hot sauce to a movie theater? That man is black, ghetto, and hood.

From Michael sitting in the car, obsessing over the Bobby Brown song “My Prerogative” to Whitfield attempting to prevent a public scene by telling a police officer that Michael was actually Prince (causing Michael to say “No wonder why they left us alone”) to learning of all the twisted ins and outs of the sad, conniving world of Michael Jackson’s business affairs, this account has dozens of worthy stories. It also has something truly valuable: it’s fair.

It’s a simple notion, fair, but it’s rare in the telling of anything related to the life of Michael Jackson. It’s a fair account of what they saw and what they felt while seeing it, an account that truly separates it from the rest.

http://grantland.com/hollywood-pros...protecting-michael-jackson-in-his-final-days/
 
Quotes from the book about Michael's true relationship with Sony:

"He hated Sony. That was another problem. He didn't like a lot of people he had to do business with. Artists always have problems with their management companies and their record labels, but his hatred of Sony was on a whole other level. He hated Tommy Mottola, the head of the label. Hated him. Called him the devil.

One day Mr. Jackson told us he wanted some headphones to listen to music while he walked on a threadmill. One of the other security guys went out and got him a pair. I was in the house a week later, and I saw that they'd been broken in half. These things weren't dropped. They were broken on purpose. I picked them up and saw they were Sony headphones. I wouldn't have bought him anything that had Sony on it, but whoever purchased them probably wasn't aware of the situation."
- Bill Whitfield

On remixing Thriller for the 25th anniversary:

"As far as he was concerned, the album was perfect. You don't go back and add hip-hop beats to Thriller. It's a classic, and you don't touch it. But they told him he had to."
- Bill Whitfield
"I heard more excitement in his voice talking about going to see Spider-Man 3 than I ever heard when he was talking about Thriller 25."
- Bill Whitfield
 
That was a great reveiew above, Ivy. The only part that rubbed me wrong was the "But not the Michael Jackson any of us know... Not the Michael Jackson any of us have adored." part.

This book is exactly about the Michael Jackson I have known and about the man I have loved. I was reading it and recognizing him in every page, in every word. It's the Michael Jackson fans always saw and told about. The Michael Jackson Frank Cascio told about. It's so sad that even after all the accounts the public still largely stays blind to the truth.
 
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@Petra - below you'll find a review that mostly expresses what I felt about this book with and bolded some parts specifically for you.

The Bodyguards: On ‘Remember the Time: Protecting Michael Jackson in His Final Days’

JUNE 5, 2014
by REMBERT BROWNE

“The vultures. They’re going to start coming now. Everybody is going to want something, and nobody is going to trust anybody else. You’re about to see the ugliness in people. Just wait.”

Michael Jackson said this in 2008, the year before he died, to Bill Whitfield. For the last two and a half years of Michael Jackson’s life — December 2006 to June 2009 — Whitfield, along with Javon Beard, were arguably the closest people to Jackson. But not the Michael Jackson any of us know. Not the Michael Jackson any of us have read about. Not the Michael Jackson any of us have heard rumors about. Not the Michael Jackson any of us have adored. And not the Michael Jackson any of us have hated.

As the personal security detail for a reclusive, mostly out of work Michael and his three children, Prince, Paris, and Blanket, Whitfield and Beard saw Michael Jackson, the father. Michael Jackson, the man. And Michael Jackson, the human being. And although other people came in and out of the family’s life, Bill and Javon were the constants. The ones who spent time with the family, almost every single hour of every single day.

Their account is detailed in Remember the Time: Protecting Michael Jackson in His Final Days, a back-and-forth exchange between the two men as told to journalist Tanner Colby. To say it’s captivating is an understatement, because its noticeable lack of sensationalism launches you into a world in which you become enthralled with the idea of Michael Jackson doing normal things. Or at least attempting to do normal things.


A sizable portion of the book is dedicated to showing Michael, the family man, through a wide lens. There are no glimpses, because until the final days, when those “vultures” Whitfield spoke of fully took control of his life, around the time of the This Is It tour, they saw everything. They traveled with the family from home to home as Michael attempted to get further and further from the limelight, creating a semi-nomadic, borderline-homeless existence for him and his children. They took every security measure necessary to escort the family through public spaces, occasionally going unnoticed, but typically being outed, forcing the team into security overdrive. They were tasked with responding to every one of Michael’s objects of intense paranoia, particularly his obsession with not having his children photographed. This wasn’t because Jackson was a freak — as he’s commonly thought of — but, he reasoned, because if no one knew what they looked like, that increased the likelihood they could exist in plain sight. Like normal children.

The rationale Whitfield and Beard offer for some of the King of Pop’s decisions may force you to reconsider your feelings about him. Their prose is shockingly agenda-free. When I sat down with Colby before reading the book, he mentioned that Whitfield and Beard had been offered the opportunity to write “tell-alls” for years, but repeatedly turned them down. They weren’t trying to become one of the “vultures,” he said. They weren’t trying to make money off of Michael’s name, like everyone else. Before reading the book, you hear that and think, Well, they just wrote a book, aren’t they kind of doing that?

But then you read it, and it makes sense. They knew those vultures up close and personal, and reviled them. The book is strictly a fly-on-the-wall account of everything they saw in the world surrounding Jackson during one of the least understood, shoddily documented, rumor-filled periods of his life. And although so much is dedicated to the Jackson family doing things any other family would do (things you’ve never imagined Michael doing), like chomping French fries in the McDonald’s parking lot, this is still Michael Jackson. And some of the things Whitfield and Beard saw and experienced are beyond comprehension.

Like the time Michael’s miserable brother Randy Jackson drove a Mercedes SUV through Michael’s gate, demanding to speak to him.

Whitfield: I came between [Randy's car] and the house, drew my pistol and took aim at the driver. I had the laser sight right on his chest and the only thing running through my mind was, Whoever this is, they’re about to get shot. The driver ducked down and out the corner of my eye I saw this woman in the passenger seat. That threw me. I wasn’t expecting to see a woman. Then the driver lifted his head up and I saw who it was and I froze. Holy shit, I thought. That’s his brother. That’s Randy Jackson.

Beard: He started screaming, cussing his brains out, rapping all this stuff about money he’s owed and how he’s not leaving without it. Michael owe me money! I want my ****in’ money! I ain’t ****in’ moving till I get my ****in’ money!

Whitfield: I didn’t care what he wanted. I just wanted him outside the gate. I put my pistol away, trying to cool things down. I asked him to exit his vehicle so we could talk in a civilized manner. He refused. He just sat there in the car, threatening to call the press if he didn’t get to see his brother. I didn’t want him to call the press, and I couldn’t call the cops because that would just bring the press too. I was stuck. I had this angry little asshole cussing in my face, and I couldn’t do anything about it.

Eventually, Whitfield tells Mr. Jackson — as they refer to Michael throughout the book; that or “boss” — who simply says, “Get rid of him.” Eventually, in an odd turn of events, Whitfield and Beard call Joe Jackson, of all people. “Randy’s a grown-ass man, and here we were calling his daddy to come and clean up his mess” said Whitfield, which eventually led to Joe showing up and convincing Randy to leave.

This is a wild story — though par for the course for the wild Jackson family — but the context is equally bizarre. That night, Michael, with Whitfield and Beard in tow, prepared to make a rare public appearance at Elizabeth Taylor’s 75th birthday party. Michael was as excited as ever because he was going to surprise his dear friend Liz. He’d flown Roberto Cavalli out to Vegas, where they were living, so he could make Michael a custom outfit. Whitfield and Beard purchased new suits, at Michael’s request. The house was buzzing that day — this kind of glitz wasn’t normal at this stage of his life.

And then stupid Randy showed up and ruined it all. Michael, devastated by the incident, couldn’t do anything but retire to bed.

The story is action-packed, drama-filled, and a gossip magazine’s dream. But in it are a handful of common themes that run throughout the book. Especially the idea of Michael being debilitatingly nonconfrontational, exhibited here by not wanting to deal with his family’s mess himself, and also his family’s being a mess. (During this time, Michael demanded that everyone in the family make appointments, with this exception of his mother.) But, more than anything, it illuminates Michael wanting to do “normal” things, only for the plan to somehow go awry.

And as was with the offhand mention of Elizabeth Taylor and Roberto Cavalli, throughout the book you learn who Michael came in contact with through these final years. There are multiple mentions of Will.i.am, Akon, and Kanye West spending time in the studio with Michael, house visits by Chris Tucker, Eddie Griffin, and former Atlanta mayor and U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Andrew Young. There’s the time they went to Jesse Jackson’s birthday party. And there’s the story of Michael Jackson and O.J. Simpson being friends from back in the day, capped by Michael telling Whitfield and Beard that O.J. stayed at the Neverland Ranch after he was acquitted.

The stories Whitfield and Beard relay are startling to read now, but they’re also highly amplified by what fantastic storytellers they are. When the job became aggravating — they went unpaid for long periods at a time — you can feel the frustration in their words. When the job became stressful, that stresses out the reader. When they were worried about the children missing out on a proper childhood, or concerned about how they’d learn about Michael Jackson’s passing, you can feel how close they’d grown to this family. When they were defensive, you could feel them ready to fight on Michael’s behalf (examples: Randy Jackson, Katt Williams, hecklers on the street). When there was doubt about working with Michael Jackson, you could really understand their internal struggles. And when spending all your time with Michael Jackson seemed funny, they somehow make it seem even funnier in the retelling.

Whitfield: Any time we went to the movies, he insisted on bringing spray butter and hot sauce for the popcorn. Had to have them. Would not start the movie without them. Sometimes we’d get to the theater, and I’d be thinking that Javon had brought the spray butter and hot sauce, and Javon was thinking that I’d brought the spray butter and hot sauce. When we realized our mistake, one of us would have to run to the store to pick them up. Sometimes we’d have the managers hold the movie until we could get the spray butter and hot sauce safely delivered.

I don’t care what anybody says about Michael Jackson trying to act like or turn himself into a white man. Anybody who insists on taking his own spray butter and hot sauce to a movie theater? That man is black, ghetto, and hood.

From Michael sitting in the car, obsessing over the Bobby Brown song “My Prerogative” to Whitfield attempting to prevent a public scene by telling a police officer that Michael was actually Prince (causing Michael to say “No wonder why they left us alone”) to learning of all the twisted ins and outs of the sad, conniving world of Michael Jackson’s business affairs, this account has dozens of worthy stories. It also has something truly valuable: it’s fair.

It’s a simple notion, fair, but it’s rare in the telling of anything related to the life of Michael Jackson. It’s a fair account of what they saw and what they felt while seeing it, an account that truly separates it from the rest.

http://grantland.com/hollywood-pros...protecting-michael-jackson-in-his-final-days/

Ivy finally!!!! Thank you so much for that review. I was really looking for something that was context driven and here it is.

How about this: Eventually, in an odd turn of events, Whitfield and Beard call Joe Jackson, of all people. “Randy’s a grown-ass man, and here we were calling his daddy to come and clean up his mess” said Whitfield, which eventually led to Joe showing up and convincing Randy to leave.


^It is really funny when you think about it--calling a daddy to handle one of his post-40 year old son's behavior. If the AEG trial had a Michael side, the BG would have been good witnesses for Randy's evidence about 'crashing the gate to do an intervention' story.

Morinen about Sony, did you get the impression that it was Sony the corporation Michael did not like or was it the managers? Who would the person be that would dictate the hip hop on Thriller? Did the BG say what year the torn headphone incident occurred? Was this an incident that occurred right after Thriller 25?
 
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That was a great reveiew above, Ivy. The only part that rubbed me wrong was the "But not the Michael Jackson any of us know... Not the Michael Jackson any of us have adored." part.

I guess the reviewer isn't a MJ fan and writing from a public perspective. For such I don't think this is a MJ that they knew.

This book is exactly about the Michael Jackson I have known and about the man I have loved. I was reading it and recognizing him in every page, in every word. It's the Michael Jackson fans always saw and told about. The Michael Jackson Frank Cascio told about.

ditto. That's why I loved Frank's book as well. Michael Jackson the man, the father, the person, the friend, the boss and not the king of pop. I find such books as quite valuable.

Ivy finally!!!! Thank you so much for that review.

I also felt that the above review nicely explained how and why some people including me mentioned how uneasy, stressful etc they felt when reading certain portions of the book.

Quotes from the book about Michael's true relationship with Sony

why not include the monetary aspect as well? yes they clearly state Michael wasn't enthusiastic about Thriller 25 but they also mention that it was a separate deal that Michael was paid $12 Million. To me if anything that shows Michael as a businessman.

from my review on page 8

Sony: Mottola is mentioned as devil and Michael mentioned not really wanting to work with Sony and on Thriller 25. There's a story about Michael breaking Sony headphones. They say he didn't work on Thriller 25 with enthusiasm and did everything the last minute. Bodyguards also state that Michael eventually was paid $12 Million for the sales of Thriller 25. (Sony initially planned to take the money from Thriller 25 sales and apply it to pay MJ's debt on Sony/ATV catalog. Apparently Tohme got them to pay the $12 Million to Michael so that he could use that money as a down payment for the Las Vegas house he wanted to buy).
 
anymore kids stories other than Blanket taking off in the bookstore and the zoo story?
 
Is it safe to assume there was cash hidden in the house when MJ died, I strongly believe Jacksons were competing among each other ( Randy , Rebbie and Latoya in particular) to find it first and steal it . I believe one of them succeeded .
 
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Morinen about Sony, did you get the impression that it was Sony the corporation Michael did not like or was it the managers? Who would the person be that would dictate the hip hop on Thriller? Did the BG say what year the torn headphone incident occurred? Was this an incident that occurred right after Thriller 25?

I got the impression that the main person he had an issue with was Mottola, but his distaste spread to the whole corporation down to every last of their products. Bill says, Michael didn't want to sell his share of the catalog partly because he didn't want Sony to get it (and I don't think Mottola had anything to do with that part of their business). Even with Mottola gone, I don't think he ever would have even entertained the idea to work with Sony willingly again. His resentment of the label was obvious, and that was confirmed by pretty much everyone who was around him in the last years.

The date of the headphone accident is not mentioned. Neither are specific people who were involved in Thriller 25.
 
I got the impression that the main person he had an issue with was Mottola, but his distaste spread to the whole corporation down to every last of their products. Bill says, Michael didn't want to sell his share of the catalog partly because he didn't want Sony to get it (and I don't think Mottola had anything to do with that part of their business). Even with Mottola gone, I don't think he ever would have even entertained the idea to work with Sony willingly again. His resentment of the label was obvious, and that was confirmed by pretty much everyone who was around him in the last years.

The date of the headphone accident is not mentioned. Neither are specific people who were involved in Thriller 25.


Probably this is the reason why Prince and Paris did not publicly support the album . MJ did hate Sony, Jacksons probably have convinced the kids Estate=Sony to get them on their side in their battle against Branca.
 
Is it safe to assume there was cash hidden in the house when MJ died, I strongly believe Jacksons were competing among each other ( Randy , Rebbie and Latoya in particular) to find it first and steal it . I believe one of them succeed .

Totally totally, these are people who sold his iphone case and post it notes to the highest bidder. You think they'd let actual $$ rot in that home? His own 'mother' filed to be set executor of his estate less than 48 hours after he died.
We're talking about people who sold their first stories to british tabloids by June 27. These are the people who initially thought about touring the states with his dead body in tow. They are blood suckers and won't stop at anything, I just hope and pray for Michael's children to see through them as time passes.
 
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why not include the monetary aspect as well? yes they clearly state Michael wasn't enthusiastic about Thriller 25 but they also mention that it was a separate deal that Michael was paid $12 Million. To me if anything that shows Michael as a businessman.

Money is a separate aspect, it's clear he worked on it for money. Businessman or not, by that time he was almost cornered and this deal was a relatively easy income (compared to performing), so it was common sense to agree. But my point was that he wasn't happy about it like some people try to present nowadays, - he only did it basically out of financial desperation.
 
Probably this is the reason why Prince and Paris did not publicly support the album . MJ did hate Sony, Jacksons probably have convinced the kids Estate=Sony to get them on their side in their battle against Branca.

Well those children better learn that the Geneviewas, Jaafar's, Austin's and 3T's are not the best ppl to be in a business with. As for Michae's dislike, well I love him but he was way too stubborn and used getting things his way.
 
GreenEyes what I am getting from your post ^^ is that you are stating or understanding the information within the context the BG gave rather than someone who just glanced at parts of the book, so they did not know the buildup/rationale/explanations that occurred before and after the statement that jumped out at them. I am beginning to see now why there is such diverse impressions of the book. That is why it is important to read something in its entirety. I must thank you because the book is gaining a clearer perspective for me.

:) Yes, in order to get the whole picture and make intelligent comments about it, one must read the book in it's entirety. It's not a good move to go on someone else's comment about it, and then make an overly-dramatic post about it in order to disqualify the book. Taking things out of context from internet quotes... bad mistake. They are doing themselves an injustice. The only fans that I can see having a problem with the book are the ones who cannot accept him as their definition of "normal".

IVY... that was a great review and SO accurate!
 
anymore kids stories other than Blanket taking off in the bookstore and the zoo story?

yes.. quite some.

Is it safe to assume there was cash hidden in the house when MJ died

probably. bodyguards mention MJ having emergency cash with him.

I don't think he ever would have even entertained the idea to work with Sony willingly again.

Money is a separate aspect, it's clear he worked on it for money. Businessman or not, by that time he was almost cornered and this deal was a relatively easy income (compared to performing), so it was common sense to agree. But my point was that he wasn't happy about it like some people try to present nowadays, - he only did it basically out of financial desperation.

ok. this was my point actually. he did work on it for money and I agree that it was relatively easy income compared to performing - hence my comment about being a businessman - taking a good deal regardless of feelings. I personally do not think he was happy - and obviously he wasn't. also some people try to present it like he would "never" work with Sony when in fact he did even though it was just for money. Most business deals is about money and not love btw.

Desperation though isn't something I agree with. At least from reading the book it seemed he picked and choose what project to accept and how to spend money on -even buying some luxury stuff. Neither is to me demonstrates desperation. Desperation in my book would be not spending any money on luxury items, allocating all of the money to debt payment and accepting any and all money bringing projects brought to him. Some people - not talking about you - like to portray Michael as a powerless puppet at times that had no choice, I kinda disagree with that. Saying no to a Vegas show but saying yes to Thriller 25 is a choice in my opinion. Similarly taking the money out to buy a house rather than paying the debt is also a choice.

ps: also if you read Bain's claims and then bodyguards book, some stuff add up pretty well.
 
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Some people - not talking about you - like to portray Michael as a powerless puppet at times that had no choice, I kinda disagree with that. Saying no to a Vegas show but saying yes to Thriller 25 is a choice in my opinion. Similarly taking the money out to buy a house rather than paying the debt is also a choice.

Glad you mentioned about powerlessness and choice. That was the same idea the judge conveyed when the plaintiffs claimed that AEG was liable since they forced Michael to do shows because they gave him a lot of money which he could not refuse because he was in debt (I paraphrase). Then, of course the judge said no, Michael had a choice. It is this same type of thinking I see a lot, where people act as though Michael did not have a choice and his actions were motivated by desperation. You lose the sense that this was a highly intelligent person who planned his career and knew world history. I am glad the BG book shows his intelligence.
 
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