Estate, Cascio and Porte Sued Over Three Songs on the "Michael" Album - Vera Senova Class Action

[LastTear]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I believe with a massive amount of demos, in the 100s, which contained little to no vocals, and at a time when there was still a massive amount of missing audio/video from the "Archives" 12 full ready to go MJ songs, was a blessing and might have made someones business head takeover. I know from people inside that meeting Weitzman speaks of that when it came to a close, the tracks were off the cards. It doesn't matter to me who else knows that at the moment or if I get accused of making stuff up, I will say now this information will come out and I stand by my word 1000%. I feel for the Estate I feel a rash decision was made and Branca does regret that decision and its common knowledge amongst fans who researched this that he does really regret it, whether thats personal or from a business stand point I don't know.

OK thank you. I just wanted to consider another possibility other than the estate deflecting blame.

Whatever happens out of this I just hope there aren't more far reaching consequences, as I said I'm open minded and hope it will bring a solution but it is raising concerns in my mind.

 

[WhoIsIt89]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I'm having a hard time understanding how one can speak of Michael's legacy in this situation, but would rather have these recordings continue to be in the Michael Jackson catalog, thus harming his legacy. If that were possible.


At most, these songs are mostly mediocre rip-off's of Michael's past songs. Which I don't think any of them actually compare or compete with ANY of Michael's completed songs, released or unreleased. I feel they can't stand to a lot of Michael's demo's as well. At no point during his life or throughout his career did he ever sound like "he" does on the Cascio tracks. I really have a hard time seeing them winning this case, but while I think the Estate just jumped the gun and were excited for 12 brand new Michael Jackson songs. I just can't get by the fact that if what Rooney & others have been saying turn out to be true, then that means the Estate still decided that against all that, they'd put those tracks out anyway, issue a statement deliberately lying to us, in regards to the meeting at least, made a pretty good attempt at deleting every revealing video, soundclip, etc. made by a fan or critic of the songs off the internet, and then just swept it all under the rug like it never happened.


.......Yea.

 

[Kapital77]

So she heard the songs and still went and bought the album?? And now 4 years later she suddenly wants her money back..... ummm don't see this going anywhere.

What´s the problem with that? Maybe she realized it was good to buy the album to start her claim on court. If i could have enought money to fight against them on court maybe i could run fast to the store and buy one copy. Sorry, but i can´t understand your post and the people who thanked it. She´s fighting for MJ music legacy and you are doubting her?.

 

[Birchey]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

At no point during his life or throughout his career did he ever sound like "he" does on the Cascio tracks

More importantly as has been pointed out but ignored for years, was how we have proof Michael never sounded like that whilst actually being at the Cascios, WBSS 2008 is enough to nip that one in the butt

 

[Dorian]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I find weird that so many people here think the whole think is a fraud (myself included), but NOBODY filled a document regarding this. Sorry, but this isn't fair.

Personally, I moved on, the public doesn't know about this whole thing and that's OK for me.

BUT I see a lot of people who were "on fire" on the internet, but did nothing aside from that. We're all "cool" on the internet, but apart from that, what?

3 years to dig an old story is weird. I wish her luck, but it's very late for this. VERY late. I wish people managed to do something like this years ago, by splitting money.

 

[Birchey]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Michael sounded different at the Cascios, proof otherwise

Vocals were recorded poorly, Proof otherwise

Teddy adding effects was the cause, proof otherwise

Rough one vocal takes, proof otherwise

I actually don't think there is anything left to suggest these are Michaels vocals except "I hear that they are Michael" all excuses have been squashed? Am I right or not?

 

[serendipity]

What´s the problem with that? Maybe she realized it was good to buy the album to start her claim on court. If i could have enought money to fight against them on court maybe i could run fast to the store and buy one copy. Sorry, but i can´t understand your post and the people who thanked it. She´s fighting for MJ music legacy and you are doubting her?.

So she bought the album just to sue for her money back? Sorry but that's just stupid.

 

[serendipity]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

In my opinion it is the same and even worse. Cascios attacked Michael on professional level. They put a huge stain on his perfect discography. He was such a perfectionist when it comes to his music. That was something that was always pure. And they attacked there.

You can't be serious. Three controversial songs are worse than the allegations that practically killed him? I can't with some of you people....

 

[Birchey]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

So she bought the album just to sue for her money back? Sorry but that's just stupid.

I think this was just hypothetical, I can assure you the album was not bought just for some claim.

 

[Zakk]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

they should at least show some photo's of Michael recording these song's, that's all the proof i need.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Tbh, this was a quick copy-paste from my posting over at MaxJax as my ISP did not refresh the DNS for MJJC in time yesterday. At that time, there were no other responses yet.
After reading through this thread, I also realized that the usual suspects who are not actually involved in the lawsuit, yet claim to have so much evidence, already know "the truth" and the same old "those other fans are plain stupid and need their ears washed" mentality has returned. Apparently reducing other fans' intelligence helps to reinforce their own beliefs.


It is my understanding that this trial will at least expose those who have been constantly claiming to have "(definite) evidence" either way:

• scenario 1:
  if the case does make it to trial..
  ...and they don't come up with their alleged "(definite) evidence" to support the plaintiff's case, such "(definite) evidence" does not exist. Why? Because these people are obsessed with the issue - see their constant noise making about it - and they can't let it rest, in other words: they have no reason to hold back any alleged "(definite) evidence" as they know this is their only chance to prove they are not making up things about having alleged "(definite) evidence".
  Anything they consider to be "(definite) evidence" right now will be disclosed. Will it live up to their claims?

• scenario 2:
  if the case does NOT make it to trial
  ... and they don't come up with their alleged "(definite) evidence" the way they want to make noise about it, such "(definite) evidence" does not exist. Why? Because these people are obsessed with the issue - see their constant noise making about it - and they can't let it rest, in other words: they have no reason to tell themselves endlessly how great it must be to know "the truth", having all this "(definite) evidence" that noone else knows about. This way they can never prove they are not making up things about having alleged "(definite) evidence".

The plantiff never talked the talk but she did walk the walk. I salute her for this. I hope these people do not let her down with their "(definite) evidence".


Anyway, I recommend the majority of us not to interfere with these people, they don't listen to us, they don't discuss with us. They now have their 15 minutes ... or 15-30 months.
I will sit back and let those with the "(definite) evidence" take the stage and make their hundreds of postings, demonstrating their superior knowledge and comprehensive research. No opinions, "the truth" that we will get to know from them first hand.

Let the journey begin.

Korg I always enjoy reading your posts, and in this I fully agree with you--especially about the "definite evidence." Actually that definite evidence is all over the place, and popped up in the illusion thread as well.

There is something similar in this case and the AEG case where the plaintiff said she was working alone, and then TMez spilled the beans. It appears that this woman is working alone too. What I find odd is that the album came out in 2010. There was heightened controversy about the Cascio tracks which was talked about on the news and on Ophra. Am I to believe the woman never heard about this, and then years later went and bought this album only to be shocked that it was not Michael on the tracks? Well we will see.

 

[serendipity]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I think this was just hypothetical, I can assure you the album was not bought just for some claim.

Then why? She apparently bought it over half an year after its release. Why would anyone buy something they don't belive is authentic? It's strange to say the least.

 

[Birchey]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Am I to believe the woman never heard about this, and then years later went and bought this album only to be shocked that it was not Michael on the tracks? Well we will see.

Years later?

Then why? She apparently bought it over half an year after its release. Why would anyone buy something they don't belive is authentic? It's strange to say the least.

Did y'all actually read the court transcripts before posting here? or you just guessing at best? Really if you enter a debate, reading the actual background info or infact any info on the subject might give you a head start.

 

[Petrarose]

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Then why? She apparently bought it over half an year after its release. Why would anyone buy something they don't belive is authentic? It's strange to say the least.

Exactly. It seems so contrived and reminds me of Wade reading about abuse so he could know what to say. She knows about the claim that it is not Michael, and then goes and buy an album. Why do that? Why didn't she listen to someone's album and borrow it to do her tests, if her interest was in finding out about its authenticity? Then, why mention about the family. What is the connection about the family not believing it was Michael and filing? Her action looks like a plot to me. I would like to hear her deposition if it goes that far. People tend to forget that they will be questioned by the other team, and I am sure they are going to ask her all these questions. Why buy bad meat after you hear the media say there is concern that it is tainted.

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

You can't be serious. Three controversial songs are worse than the allegations that practically killed him? I can't with some of you people....

You misunderstood my words. The betrayal is the same or even worse. I'm not comparing false allegations with faking the songs. It can't be compared. But the betrayal can. Also the motive can be compared because it is the same = money.

And it is not "controversial songs". It is fake songs. Huge difference.

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

they should at least show some photo's of Michael recording these song's, that's all the proof i need.

Photos? No. How is that a proof? He recorded vocals for WBSS 2008 and synths for For All Time there, in that very same studio. Photos would not prove anything.

Vocal outtakes would be a proof or video footage. Nothing else.

 

[Birchey]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Photos? No. How is that a proof? He recorded vocals for WBSS 2008 and synths for For All Time there, in that very same studio. Photos would not prove anything.

Vocal outtakes would be a proof or video footage. Nothing else.

We had our photo....................of the Mic stand.

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

We had our photo....................of the Mic stand.

Hahaha. Yes that was a proof!

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

You misunderstood my words. The betrayal is the same or even worse. I'm not comparing false allegations with faking the songs. It can't be compared. But the betrayal can.

And it is not "controversial songs". It is fake songs. Huge difference.

^^I saw the responses to your comment, and I think I see what you are saying here. I think you are saying that what happened in both cases involved betrayal, and it is that idea to betray, which is first conceived in the mind that is the SAME. You are not saying that the results of the betrayal are the same, neither are you saying that the steps used to betray are the same. You are saying that they both involved betrayal--that is completely true. It is like stealing. I steal your laptop so you can't go on MJJC and type. Serendipity steals millions of dollars from Sony's vault. However, what caused this is the same idea in the head to steal, even though the level of the stealing is different, the consequences are dramatically different, and the methods used to do the stealing is different.

I know that no one in this forum is foolish enough to think that sexual allegations and singing portions of Michael's songs are the same thing.

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

^^I saw the responses to your comment, and I think I see what you are saying here. I think you are saying that what happened in both cases involved betrayal, and it is that idea to betray, which is first conceived in the mind that is the SAME. You are not saying that the results of the betrayal are the same, neither are you saying that the steps used to betray are the same. You are saying that they both involved betrayal--that is completely true. It is like stealing. I steal your laptop so you can't go on MJJC and type. Serendipity steals millions of dollars from Sony's vault. However, what caused this is the same idea in the head to steal, even though the level of the stealing is different, the consequences are dramatically different, and the methods used to do the stealing is different.

I know that no one in this forum is foolish enough to think that sexual allegations and singing portions of Michael's songs are the same thing.

Exactly. Thank you.

Also the similarity is that they both (Eddie & Wade) acted after Michael died so he could not defend himself. The act of a coward.

 

[Birchey]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Exactly. Thank you.

Also the similarity is that they both (Eddie & Wade) acted after Michael died so he could not defend himself. The act of a coward.

I think in all honesty they both took possibly the only way they could to make Money from Michael also. Frank aswell with his book..............god just mentioning that ****s me off thinking of all the other people who cashed in and screwed MJ over man

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Also if we lived in a normal world where people think with their own brains instead of reading tabloids and where people don't judge others without any proof those allegations would be considered a bad joke which they are and Wade and others would have to pay for defamation. If we lived in a normal world Michael would still be #1 all over the world. But we live in a sick world where the media manipulates everything and people are gullible and stupid enough to believe everything they see on TV.

I know what those allegations did to Michael, I'm not stupid. I know how harmful they were for his career and still are. But if we lived in a normal world Cascio tracks would be more harmful to his legacy than those allegations because no one would believe in malicious lies. But we live in a sick world. Sad.

I'm done with this. I'm going to enjoy wonderful Cascio free Xscape.

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I think in all honesty they both took possibly the only way they could to make Money from Michael also. Frank aswell with his book..............god just mentioning that ****s me off thinking of all the other people who cashed in and screwed MJ over man

He had 2 friends in his life. Miko & Elizabeth.

 

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I think in all honesty they both took possibly the only way they could to make Money from Michael also. Frank aswell with his book..............god just mentioning that ****s me off thinking of all the other people who cashed in and screwed MJ over man

Of course you include Jermaine Jackson and his siblings, father and even mother in this group. Am I right?

 

[Birchey]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Of course you include Jermaine Jackson and his siblings, father and even mother in this group. Am I right?

Want me to reel off an entire list? or you just trying to derail this thread into something else? Please lets stick to this subject, theres a Jacksons section for this stuff.

 

[Warszawa320]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Also if we lived in a normal world where people think with their own brains instead of reading tabloids and where people don't judge others without any proof those allegations would be considered a bad joke which they are and Wade and others would have to pay for defamation. If we lived in a normal world Michael would still be #1 all over the world. But we live in a sick world where the media manipulates everything and people are gullible and stupid enough to believe everything they see on TV.

I know what those allegations did to Michael, I'm not stupid. I know how harmful they were for his career and still are. But if we lived in a normal world Cascio tracks would be more harmful to his legacy than those allegations because no one would believe in malicious lies. But we live in a sick world. Sad.

I'm done with this. I'm going to enjoy wonderful Cascio free Xscape.

And you do the same to other people. Just face the music hypocrite. How immature...Just hide somewhere and wait for the outcome of this lawsuit. If the outcome turn to be positive for you then you will have the right to call people criminals.

 

[kreen]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I support this lawsuit 100 %, and I hope it doesn't get thrown out.

Anybody who's still going on about how "they know the truth and know it will come out" needs to seriously put a cork in it. While you've been going on about your supposed proof for 4 years now, this is the first person to actually walk the walk. Anybody can say whatever they like on the Internet. Real proof means going to the courts. Why haven't the Jacksons, Cory Rooney, etc., done what this individual fan has done? And the same goes for all the anti-Cascio "leaders" in the fan community; you know their names. This woman is doing it right, and I hope and pray it brings at least some new info to light.

 

[serendipity]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

You misunderstood my words. The betrayal is the same or even worse. I'm not comparing false allegations with faking the songs. It can't be compared. But the betrayal can. Also the motive can be compared because it is the same = money.

And it is not "controversial songs". It is fake songs. Huge difference.

I still don't see how that betrayal could be even worse

And for now the songs are controversial in my book, until proven otherwise. Personally, i'm still on the fence about it.

 

[WildStyle]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

This isn't a "frivolous" lawsuit as Weitzman claimed. That should be very clear by now to anyone with half a brain. Saying that is an insult to the whole fan community and everyone that this scam affected. A wise man once said that lies run sprints, but the truth runs a marathon. Everyone who played a role in putting these songs out and subsequently covering their own behinds will eventually find that out. Whether it's from this lawsuit or something else down the line. The truth will come out one way or another. And anybody that acted inappropriately should be made to deal with the consequences of that. Yes, even if one of those people turns out to be John Branca, who I'm sure is actually a nice guy that does have love for Michael.

Why some people are pushing so hard against this, I really don't know. Fear? If you knew who was behind the lawsuit you would not be questioning their motives. This is about a deep love, care and respect for Mchael as an artist and his artistic integrity. Something that Michael cared deeply about and was so protective of. He can't look after it anymore, so it becomes the responsibility of any fan that cares enough to get involved in any way. Nobody has the ability to protect that more than the fans. To some it's not a big deal. To some it's huge. But it is about nothing more than respect and love for Michael's art and how much of himself he put into it.

 

[kreen]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I still don't see how that betrayal could be even worse

And for now the songs are controversial in my book, until proven otherwise. Personally, i'm still on the fence about it.

Same here.