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Estate, Cascio and Porte Sued Over Three Songs on the "Michael" Album - Vera Senova Class Action

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

kreen said:
Oh, so NOW the booklet's the final word, eh? :)

I don't know, the WBSS 2008 MJ verse sounds a bit "youngish" to my ears, maybe the vocals are a bit sped-up?

Funny how MJ pronounces razor as raz-ah. Wasn't a big deal made by some people out of how MJ would never pronounce "monster" as "monstah"?
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Not that I remember, as far as your last sentence goes. Michael sounded younger, okay? He sounded younger in HMH and Best Of Joy, neother of those songs are from the 80s. Regardless of what your opinion is in regards to WBSS 2008 vocals, you're wrong. Because they aren't from the 80s, they're newly recorded vocals. They aren't sped up, the voice has grit in it that it didnt have in the 80s, its simply what Michael sounded like during that time, himself. Regardless of how you look at, theres a huge difference in those vocals and the Cascio vocals, which are supposedly from the same time period.

And yes, the booklet carries more weight than any claim made here, considering Michael had actual involvement in it.
 
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WhoIsIt89 said:
Not that I remember, as far as your last sentence goes. Michael sounded younger, okay? He sounded younger in HMH and Best Of Joy, neother of those songs are from the 80s. Regardless of what your opinion is in regards to WBSS 2008 vocals, you're wrong. Because they aren't from the 80s, they're newly recorded vocals. They aren't sped up, the voice has grit in it that it didnt have in the 80s, its simply what Michael sounded like during that time, himself. Regardless of how you look at, theres a huge difference in those vocals and the Cascio vocals, which are supposedly from the same time period.



And yes, the booklet carries more weight than any claim made here, considering Michael had actual involvement in it.
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I should to say "no comment" but will say "what a hypocrisy again" instead...
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Please, tell me how in your warped world, how anything I just said can be considered hypocritical?

Because I said the booklet holds more weight against an internet fallacy, in regards to Thriller 25 and not the Michael album? There's nothing that says "hypocrisy" in any of that. Simple fact is, Michael was alive and involved in every aspect of T25, including the booklet, theres no reason for Michael to advocate lying on himself. Michael wasn't alive nor was he involved in the creation of the "Michael" album. Therefore, without proof, there isn't much reason for me to simply believe whatever the Estate has produced through a statement or a song credit.

Its a pretty logical thing. Use it sometime, since you swear those who disagree with you, aren't.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

WhoIsIt89 said:
And yes, the booklet carries more weight than any claim made here, considering Michael had actual involvement in it.
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I doubt MJ ever even looked at the booklet for Thriller 25, to be honest. The extent of his "involvement" in that project was recording one new verse for one song.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

He was more involved in the T25 booklet, than he was for the one with the "Michael" album. Michael made a thank you letter intended for and included in the booklet itself. Thats much more than what can be said for the "Michael" album.

But thats neither here nor there. You're right, he recorded a new verse for a new song, which you earlier tried to imply didnt actually happen. And the fact is, that vocal sounds nothing like the Cascio songs.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I'm not sure I agree with the timing of it, but I'm glad this is happening. I hate going on Spotify and seeing those songs under the name 'Michael Jackson', if this lawsuit succeeds in getting those songs wiped from the records then I'm all for it.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

L.T.D said:
I'm not sure I agree with the timing of it, but I'm glad this is happening. I hate going on Spotify and seeing those songs under the name 'Michael Jackson', if this lawsuit succeeds in getting those songs wiped from the records then I'm all for it.
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:yes: I hope so too
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Re: WBSS

There is grid in his voice in the original WBSS. Not in the used take of that verse, but in a few other parts.

But anyway... I guess that those who badly want to have a real Michael / fake Michael comparison for the year 2008, have a hard time listing with open ears.

The Cascio songs are fake, but i don't think that WBSS 2008 is helping to prove that.


Oh and to say that he sounds the same on WBSS2008, Hold My Hand and Best Of Joy, is just beyond words. He clearly doesn't. But whatever...
 
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Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

*sigh* Can we all just get along?

Suddenly, the fun, exciting Xscape thread is now empty and everyone is in here bickering.

Michael would be ashamed!

There are very valid questions over these tracks. One fan has decided to do something about it. Good for her! But let's not damage Michael's reputation with a fan war over these songs or anything else for that matter... Just as everyone is finally appreciating Michael's music again, let's not blow it.

Please all try and get along. L.O.V.E. is the most important thing.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

kreen said:
Here's a question for Cory : how do you feel about your song being on an album that's now raking in money for two men who won't admit they used three fake songs and won't withdraw them from MJ's discography?
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"raking in money for two men"? For who?
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

kreen said:
The extent of his "involvement" in that project was recording one new verse for one song.
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Hahaha. Why? Because he was dying? Because he was in poor health? Because he was using drugs and his teeth was falling out?

5:55

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmYbX15gTCA

He was very much involved in the whole project. I know that you hate that, but it is the truth.

Seriously sometimes I wonder what the hell are you doing on Michael Jackson forum. With all the disgusting things you said about the man, someone would tell that you are the biggest hater instead of a fan.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Electro said:
Re: WBSS

There is grid in his voice in the original WBSS. Not in the used take of that verse, but in a few other parts.

But anyway... I guess that those who badly want to have a real Michael / fake Michael comparison for the year 2008, have a hard time listing with open ears.

The Cascio songs are fake, but i don't think that WBSS 2008 is helping to prove that.


Oh and to say that he sounds the same on WBSS2008, Hold My Hand and Best Of Joy, is just beyond words. He clearly doesn't. But whatever...
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No dude, you're wrong. Simple as that. WBSS 2008 contains newly recorded vocals by Michael from 07. It isn't an alternate take from an 80s demo, thats simply, factually incorrect. End of it. None of it has to do with "looking for excuses or having a hard time hearing", they were vocals recorded in 2007, thats just the fact of it. Nothing else.


And I dont recall seeing anyone say he sounded the same on those three songs. Which actually being said is that he sounded younger on those two songs, and they arent from the 80s. So him sounding younger on WBSS 2008, doesnt mean it was recorded in the 80's. Because it simply wasn't.

And had you actually researched this specific song on this very forum, you would've found this, which was posted on the official Michael Jackson website during its release...

Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 2008 is a new track produced by Akon and Michael, featuring Akon's vocal and a brand new 2008 Michael Jackson vocal track. Not a remix but a new version of this classic!Epic/Legacy Recordings proudly celebrates the 25th anniversary of Michael Jackson's Thriller, the world's biggest-selling album of all time, with a newly expanded deluxe edition of the phenomenal record-breaking pop culture touchstone, available on Tuesday, February 12. The Thriller - 25th Anniversary Edition will include the original album in its entirety as well as six tracks previously unreleased in any form: a new Kanye West remix of "Billie Jean"; will.i.am remixes of "The Girl is Mine" and "P.Y.T."; Fergie's version of "Beat It"; "For All Time," a rare unreleased cut from the original Thriller recording sessions, newly mixed and mastered by Michael Jackson: and the first single, a new 2008 version of "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" with Akon and will.i.am.
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Thank you very much.
 
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OnirMJ said:
Hahaha. Why? Because he was dying? Because he was in poor health? Because he was using drugs and his teeth was falling out?

5:55

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmYbX15gTCA

He was very much involved in the whole project. I know that you hate that, but it is the truth.

Seriously sometimes I wonder what the hell are you doing on Michael Jackson forum. With all the disgusting things you said about the man, someone would tell that you are the biggest hater instead of a fan.
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This fan at least is not a hypocrite ( I mean he doesn't call people criminals without the proof).
 
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Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I'm curious - Why are we discussing WBSS 2008? I have to agree with some of you and I also think there are more facts to support it's a new recording for Thriller 25 rahter than it being an old demo (where did that come from?). Michael DID sound young in his recent recordings but it doesn't sound like "young MJ" from the 80's It just feels boyish and young in general. It did sound like Michael Jackson though. I remember I talked about exactly that with a friend back then (also when HMH was first leaked) Michael's voice has changed A BIT in 2007 - or he just sang a bit different. Since we first heard the T25 remixes it was clear to me Michael's vocals were brand new. The WBSS early demos sound nothing like that and lets not forget the fact singing is not just vocals but also pronunciation and diction (and more).

I think Michael's voice had its biggest change (after 1975 lol) was during Bad sessions\shortly after Bad and most fans can easily tell which song recorded when in 80's vs 90's (or afterwards).
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

The discussion of WBSS 2008, simply adds support to the "Its not Michael" on the Cascio tracks viewpoint. Because apparently both WBSS 2008, HMH AND the Cascio songs were all done within similar time frames of each other. Yet he sounds like a completely different person on the 12 Cascio tracks, than he does on WBSS '08 and Hold My Hand. That's all, then Electro simply took it upon theyself to imply that we're just hard of hearing and that the vocals werent new at all but from the 80s...

Smh @ that.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

WhoIsIt89 said:
The discussion of WBSS 2008, simply adds support to the "Its not Michael" on the Cascio tracks viewpoint. Because apparently both WBSS 2008, HMH AND the Cascio songs were all done within similar time frames of each other. Yet he sounds like a completely different person on the 12 Cascio tracks, than he does on WBSS '08 and Hold My Hand. That's all, then Electro simply took it upon theyself to imply that we're just hard of hearing and that the vocals werent new at all but from the 80s...

Smh @ that.
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Oh ok... thanks for the answer I guess I'm gonna co-smh to that.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Aside from Damien Shields. Michael's very own website and facebook which used to put out those blogs both confirm they're newly recorded vocals. Not much reason to continue discussing this, as the assertion that they're from 80s outtakes is just flat out incorrect.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

It's so weird: Same basement ("studio") for Cascio-Tracks and WBSS 2008 - but different voices.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Warszawa320 said:
This fan at least is not a hypocrite ( I mean he doesn't call people criminals without the proof).
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You literally make zero sense with these posts. Fact Iis, the Cascios nor anyone else has EVER produced proof to support the claim that Michael sang these songs. NONE. Therefore any assertion based on Eddie, Porte and whoever else attempted to promote this sham, being dishonest moneygrubber's is a fair one until such proof is brought forward.

But keep glossing over the facts of the situation only to continue your asinine assumptions and statements.
 
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WhoIsIt89 said:
You literally make zero sense with these posts. Fact Iis, the Cascios nor anyone else has EVER produced proof to support the claim that Michael sang these songs. NONE. Therefore any assertion based on Eddie, Porte and whoever else attempted to promote this sham, being dishonest moneygrubber's is a fair one until such proof is brought forward.
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not to butt in but that's basically saying guilty until proven innocent.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

WhoIsIt89 said:
You literally make zero sense with these posts. Fact Iis, the Cascios nor anyone else has EVER produced proof to support the claim that Michael sang these songs. NONE. Therefore any assertion based on Eddie, Porte and whoever else attempted to promote this sham, being dishonest moneygrubber's is a fair one until such proof is brought forward.

But keep glossing over the facts of the situation only to continue your asinine assumptions and statements.
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It was exactly Michael's situation until the last day of the trial. And even after the verdict many call him
"guilty" one. I suspect that some of MJ's fans would not care about the verdict in Cascio's case too. I don't see any difference in their approach to this case and MJ's haters to child molestation case. You act absolutely the same and you should be ashamed. It's very embarrassing for MJ's fan community.
 
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Warszawa320 said:
It was exactly Michael's situation until the last day of the trial. And even after the verdict many call him
"guilty" one. I suspect that some of MJ's fans would not care about the verdict in Cascio's case too. I don't see any difference in their approach to this case and MJ's haters to child molestation case. You act absolutely the same and you should be ashamed. It's very embarrassing for MJ's fan community.
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Sorry but comparing what could have sent MJ to jail for 20 years for a serious crime he did not commit to any BS that happens when fans think someone's done something wrong is emberassing for MJ's fan community.
 
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InvincibleTal said:
Sorry but comparing what could have sent MJ to jail for 20 years for a serious crime he did not commit to any BS that happens when fans think someone's done something wrong is emberassing for MJ's fan community.
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You and few others accuse the person of committing the crime and speculate about the circumstances supporting your statements. It's exactly the same what people calling Michael Jackson child molester do. Sure if you enjoy to act like that, no problem. Just don't complain about MJ's haters doing the same. Then of course you won't be called a hypocrite.
 
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Warszawa320 said:
You and few others accuse the person of committing the crime and speculate about the circumstances supporting your statements. It's exactly the same what people calling Michael Jackson child molester do. Sure if you enjoy to act like that, no problem. Just don't criticize MJ's haters for doing the same.
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you gotta be kidding me.

You kinda forget the fact MJ fans made their OWN judgement on what sounds like Michael Jackson and what doesn't sound like him - what they heard with their OWN ears. They did not take some scumbags' words - someone they do not know - on a case they are completely clueless about.
You also forget nobody here wants to see Mr Cascio rots in jail while his name is dragged in the mud for over a decade.

STOP degrading what happened to Michael by comparing it to such tiny cases when fans simply do not like something someone has done.
 
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InvincibleTal said:
you gotta be kidding me.

You kinda forget the fact MJ fans made their OWN judgement on what sounds like Michael Jackson and what doesn't sound like him - what they heard with their OWN ears. They did not took some scumbags' words - someone they do not know - on a case they are completely clueless about.
You also forget nobody here wants to see Mr Cascio rots in jail while his name is dragged in the mud for over a decade.

STOP degrading what happened to Michael by comparing it to such tiny cases when fans simply do not like something someone has done.
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This is very immature excuse.
And your OWN ears would help you to win this case in the court for sure, lol.
 
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Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

surely that's not an excuse... more like an accusation thank you very much
 
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