Estate, Cascio and Porte Sued Over Three Songs on the "Michael" Album - Vera Senova Class Action

[SoCav]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Melodyne does have a big effect on songs, an example, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqO79HF0VGY

Of course, but you'd end up with the same artefacts that you hear in this clip: an easily recognizable, robotic sound. And even though they used Melodyne to the extreme on this remix, the voice still unmistakably sounds like Michael. The Cascio tracks on the other hand are pretty clean, yet sound nothing like him.

 

[WhoIsIt89]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

This is the problem with this controversial debate. Why can't some of you respect other FANS' opinions? I have no problem with you or others not believing it is Michael in those tracks.

I take offence with your claim above that I should not claim to be a fan because my opinion does not align with yours. I've been a fan for over 30 years. I have every single release Michael has ever put out, many multiple copies bought along the way. I've been working like a mad woman requesting and asking fans to request his new single, voting for song of summer and bought multiple copies of Xscape and LNFSG. Have been promoting Michael to my KG kids for years and family and friends. AND you claim I'm NOT a Michael Jackson fan??????:beee:

And with all that you actually hear Michael anywhere in these 12 songs? May I ask where, do you have any example of Michael sounding like this in the past? Can you post any example of any moment in any of these 12 tracks that sounds identical to another Michael vocal?

Melodyne does have a big effect on songs, an example, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqO79HF0VGY

There is no melodyne on the Cascio records though.

 

[czechstar]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Melodyne does have a big effect on songs, an example, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqO79HF0VGY

F*ck that is amazing... it's processed and sampled to hell... but it's still Michael. What more proof of Cascio-fakeness do people need? Heck, I'd prefer they created songs like this to release than the fake sh*t

 

[WhoIsIt89]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Aaarrghhhh why was my post edited to begin with? Ever heard of free speech...If someone is acting like a jackASS or an imbecile, why can't I state it how I see it?

Anyway, my annoyance level with unnecessary censorship is reaching an all time level. But you do you censors... the fact remains, that person is an imbecile. And that is MY opinion.

FYI: If you do edit this AGAIN, spare me another spam / direct message. No explanation needed. Censor away.

She's an imbecile because instead of continuing to let the issue be swept under the rug, she took it to court, which is what the believers or those who simply dont care one way or the other has been telling us to do for years? Your opinion is retarded.

 

[czechstar]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

If 50 Cent wasn't such a douche, he could request his voice be removed from a fake track.

 

[SoCav]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

F*ck that is amazing... it's processed and sampled to hell... but it's still Michael. What more proof of Cascio-fakeness do people need? Heck, I'd prefer they created songs like this to release than the fake sh*t

And let's not forget Nathan Jay's Take Me Away (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF8DAIi4YoA). A very creative and time-intensive effort (not just the music, the video too, actually). Sadly the Estate asked him to take it down. That's their right of course, but I wish they'd support cool fan projects like this. Reading it again now, their hypocritical statement about it still annoys me (you can read it in the description here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kplQiEm0fqk )

 

[kreen]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

For a moment, let's all sit back and consider something. Right now, completely erase the tracks from your mind. Don't worry about how the vocals sound or how they were recorded; we can get to that later. For now, I want to put forth a few questions (which have been asked before) regarding the actual creation of these tracks, most of which does not make any logical sense.

- How in the world did Michael Jackson finish twelve songs in two months? Any one of his collaborators, whether recent or older, can testify that it would take Michael years to finish a song. He worked on Hollywood Tonight for nine years, a song that was fully written lyrically, and never recorded the bridge or third verse. He was even less prolific in his later years, as many have revealed.

- There are only two people in the world to testify that they were in the room when Michael recorded the vocals: James Porte and Eddie Cascio. None of Eddie's family members have commented that they heard any music or saw Michael recording; even Frank Cascio in his book said that he was never in the studio with them. Eddie has given one interview regarding the songs, while James has remained completely silent. Wouldn't you think that someone, even one of Michael's own children, would have heard some of the music that they were working on in the three months Michael resided with the Cascio family? (Also, Allow me to set in stone that THESE ARE FINISHED SONGS. Each song has TWO VERSES, FULL CHORUS VOCALS, A COMPLETE BRIDGE SECTION and NUMEROUS AD LIBS. Regardless of the merit of the vocals themselves, these are far from "song fragments," as some have attempted to make us believe.)

- The Cascios claimed that Michael was so pleased with the songs that he requested all other vocal takes be erased; they later retracted this claim by saying that the alternate takes were erased to make space on the hard drives. Several questions arise simply from these two comments. If these takes were supposedly "rough vocal demos" and "not up to Michael's standards," why would he be so pleased with them that he would delete every other take? Why wouldn't the Cascios simply buy another hard drive, or move the outtakes to another? When has Michael ever asked to completely delete a vocal performance?

- People only began hearing Michael's supposed vocals months after he passed away. Even this Angelo fellow, who was working on the songs since June, I believe, said that he did not work with Michael's vocals; rather, he worked with James's. Why wouldn't the Cascios offer Michael's vocals if, at the time, the tracks were complete?

- Around November 2010, a freelance journalist over on another forum spoke to Jason Malachi over the Internet (when he still was pushing his own independent music) and asked him if he was involved with the production of the Cascio songs. According to him, Jason said that "he couldn't comment on it". If he wasn't involved, what was holding him back from just saying no?

- It has been long claimed that Eddie has proof that Michael recorded the songs. Where is it? There is no logical explanation as to why he would withhold evidence that would put thousands of furious fans to shame.

Regarding the vocals themselves, there's nothing to say that hasn't already been said.

I don't hate these songs; some of them are actually written and produced quite well. Stay, Water and Burn Tonight are all pretty great pop songs, in my perspective. I hate the idea that Eddie actually attempted to pass them off as Michael Jackson songs and expect the fan base to not notice that something was fishy with the situation. Listen to Breaking News. That is hands down the most pathetic attempt at sounding like Michael Jackson I've ever heard.

I'll answer this in more detail later, because these are good points, but for now I'd like to point out that all of these songs were probably written in advance. Don't believe MJ's writing credit, just like you shouldn't believe it on Invincible or even on Xscape. All 12 songs were probably ready to be recorded when he showed up. So it's easier to believe he could record all 12 in such a short length of time.

Regarding who else would have to know about what MJ was doing in that basement, let us be clear : the complete Cascio family HAS to be in on the hoax if it is a hoax. It is in their own home that those songs were supposedly recorded. So either they knew about the songs from the beginning, or they learned about them at the same time we did. If the latter, then they KNOW the songs are fake, because there is obviously no way they could have been unaware MJ was recording their son/brother's songs in the basement in 2007. And they would have noticed Jason Malachi spending 2 weeks at their place also.

By the way, how long do you think it took Jason to record the 12 songs? Serious question : if he did it in 2 weeks, why couldn't MJ do the same?

 

[Calisto]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Melodyne does have a big effect on songs, an example, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqO79HF0VGY

It's weird how it still sounds like Michael Jackson and not at all like Jason Malachi.

 

[Frankyboy5]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I made that Daft Punk mix. It's meant to sound a bit processed since it's originally by Daft Punk. The original one I uploaded was more choppy with wrong lyrics, this one I tried to smoothen it more.

Anyways, imagine this: https://soundcloud.com/frankyboy5/dont-you-like-it

And BTW they did similar cut and pastes for Monster, intermixed with Jason or whatever. "AND HE'S" MOVING IN AIR ... "WHY CAN'T" you go stalking "ME" Those are all from Invincible

 

[JichaelMackson58]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Im kind of bothered by some people claiming their opinion as fact... it doesn't work that way, we don't pick and choose what's true.

On that note, no peer reviewed journal would EVER leave out the names of scientists who made conclusions that were central to the article. So unless we get the name of the forensic experts that Sony hired, im not inclined to believe anything they say.

 

[Birchey]

I'll answer this in more detail later, because these are good points, but for now I'd like to point out that all of these songs were probably written in advance. Don't believe MJ's writing credit, just like you shouldn't believe it on Invincible or even on Xscape. All 12 songs were probably ready to be recorded when he showed up. So it's easier to believe he could record all 12 in such a short length of time.

Regarding who else would have to know about what MJ was doing in that basement, let us be clear : the complete Cascio family HAS to be in on the hoax if it is a hoax. It is in their own home that those songs were supposedly recorded. So either they knew about the songs from the beginning, or they learned about them at the same time we did. If the latter, then they KNOW the songs are fake, because there is obviously no way they could have been unaware MJ was recording their son/brother's songs in the basement in 2007. And they would have noticed Jason Malachi spending 2 weeks at their place also.

By the way, how long do you think it took Jason to record the 12 songs? Serious question : if he did it in 2 weeks, why couldn't MJ do the same?

Everybody wanting a piece of Michael Jackson
Reporters stalking the moves of Michael Jackson
Just when you thought he was done
He comes to give it again
They could print it around the world today
He wanna write my obituary

No matter what, you just want to read it again
No matter what, you just want to feel it again

[Chorus:]
Why is it strange that I would fall in love?
Who is that boogieman you’re thinking of?
How am I crazy cause I just don’t know
This is breaking news
This is breaking news

Everybody watching the news on Michael Jackson
They wanna see that I fall cause I'm Michael Jackson
You write the words to destroy like it’s a weapon
You turned your back on a love and you can’t get it again.....................

Written in advance? That would mean the lines "Cause I'm Michael Jackson" were not written by Michael Jackson? Maybe the vocals were not sung by him either? I think the point here is those lyrics are personal, you don't write that stuff and present that sort of stuff to Michael to sing,

As for the family being in on it, who knows exactly what top secret stuff was happening in this basement studio they had to build, that MJ spend most his time in, sleeping, eating............showering?

Also Jason Malachi recording 12 Songs VS MJ recording 12 songs don't go at all. Hell it takes MJ years to even record half a vocal on his own solo work. Plus the vocals on the Cascio tracks are pretty poor and obviously needed touching up with words being replaced etc.

 

[Arklove]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

On that note, no peer reviewed journal would EVER leave out the names of scientists who made conclusions that were central to the article. So unless we get the name of the forensic experts that Sony hired, im not inclined to believe anything they say.

EXACTLY.

Fishy from the beginning. That's why I never believed it was done.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Aaarrghhhh why was my post edited to begin with? Ever heard of free speech...If someone is acting like a jackASS or an imbecile, why can't I state it how I see it?

Anyway, my annoyance level with unnecessary censorship is reaching an all time level. But you do you censors... the fact remains, that person is an imbecile. And that is MY opinion.

FYI: If you do edit this AGAIN, spare me another spam / direct message. No explanation needed. Censor away.

You see this is what I don't understand. You have people using words like moron and Look at this and the tone: I am sorry if people are insulted by their own intellect but that is hardly my fault, or problem. You are all welcome to reach your own conclusions, but please don't expect me to turn my back on my beliefs because yours don't match up. Yet these people never get censored. I notice that anyone who is on the side of those who do the censoring have free reign to make all kinds of remarks. It is a shame and disgrace.

 

[Birchey]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

You see this is what I don't understand. You have people using words like moron and Look at this and the tone: I am sorry if people are insulted by their own intellect but that is hardly my fault, or problem. You are all welcome to reach your own conclusions, but please don't expect me to turn my back on my beliefs because yours don't match up. Yet these people never get censored. I notice that anyone who is on the side of those who do the censoring have free reign to make all kinds of remarks. It is a shame and disgrace.

Shame? Disgrace? Pointing at me saying that Warszawa320 person was making posts that made them sound like a Moron?

Theres a difference between having a member constantly being proven wrong over and over again, but consistantly ignoring the facts to flame members enough to have a series of reported posts made against them over several days, ending in a banning of their account

Vs

Calling someone an Imbecile who you have not even heard from, who you have not spoke to, calling someone an Imbecile for the sake of doing it, then to bang on about censorship?

 

[Calisto]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

These twelve songs absolutely do not sound like Michael Jackson guide vocals. They're much closer to finished Jason Malachi album tracks.

And this matches up with what Taj Jackson wrote shortly after the premiere of Breaking News. He tweeted that the song was not supposed to be a demo, and that the Cascio 12 were "sold as final album tracks and approved by MJ." Of course, it's possible Taj was mistaken, but it's something my mind keeps coming back to... What if these songs were in fact originally presented to Sony Music and the Estate as complete or near complete MJ tunes?

 

[Birchey]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

These twelve songs absolutely do not sound like Michael Jackson guide vocals. They're much closer to finished Jason Malachi album tracks.

And this matches up with what Taj Jackson wrote shortly after the premiere of Breaking News. He tweeted that the song was not supposed to be a demo, and that the Cascio 12 were "sold as final album tracks and approved by MJ." Of course, it's possible Taj was mistaken, but it's something my mind keeps coming back to... What if these songs were in fact originally presented to Sony Music and the Estate as complete or near complete MJ tunes?

Which makes sense with everything I have seen, like I said before the songs had 100's of channels all mixed professionally, you can hear the Demos are supposed to be finished tracks.

 

[WhoIsIt89]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I'll answer this in more detail later, because these are good points, but for now I'd like to point out that all of these songs were probably written in advance. Don't believe MJ's writing credit, just like you shouldn't believe it on Invincible or even on Xscape. All 12 songs were probably ready to be recorded when he showed up. So it's easier to believe he could record all 12 in such a short length of time.

Regarding who else would have to know about what MJ was doing in that basement, let us be clear : the complete Cascio family HAS to be in on the hoax if it is a hoax. It is in their own home that those songs were supposedly recorded. So either they knew about the songs from the beginning, or they learned about them at the same time we did. If the latter, then they KNOW the songs are fake, because there is obviously no way they could have been unaware MJ was recording their son/brother's songs in the basement in 2007. And they would have noticed Jason Malachi spending 2 weeks at their place also.

By the way, how long do you think it took Jason to record the 12 songs? Serious question : if he did it in 2 weeks, why couldn't MJ do the same?

Why shouldn't we believe it? Eddie specifically claimed he wrote the songs with Michael. We didnt find out until much later, from his brother Frank, that a version of the same songs were being used for Bobby Ewing's album. The Cascio family again, doesn't have to be in on it, all they know is that Michael worked in the studio with Eddie, which he did, just not recording these songs. My cousin's dad was a DJ for Hot 97 back in the day (DJ DeeWiz, or some variation of that, incase anyone thinks im lying and wants to look up this person), theres a studio in his house in Westbury that himself and me and my cousin used to use, the basement is soundproofed for a reason, with people upstairs, watching tv, in and out of the house, cooking, minding their own, you're not going to hear the complete sessions as you would if you were actually down there. You going to hear muffled sounds, and some vocals you arent going to understand, unless for some weird reason your ear is directly to the floor. Its totally possible for the family to be completely in the dark in regards to whats actually being recorded.

And you're assuming that they would actually know who Jason Malachi is. He's only known to Michael's hardcore fans and mostly for all the wrong reasons. He's a complete nobody outside of that, Eddie literally could've introduced him as anyone, perhaps his officer friend. Frank may have been aware, but again, we'd have to assume he has no life and spent 24/7 at his parents house during that time period.

All of what you mention, is actually very possible in a sense.

 

[Calisto]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Why did Jackson even need to record such fleshed out "guide vocals" when Porte already did so?

And why aren't there any Angelikson songs that are too incomplete to salvage? I mean, just look at all the other Jackson producers... many of them are in possession of legitimate demos that are simply too skeletal to release commercially, yet the dozen tracks MJ supposedly recorded in Angelikson's basement happen to all be near finished? How fortunate for Cascio and Porte.

 

[Smooth72]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I'm way late on all this. I don't care to read all the posts. The only thing I want to know is can anyone ever really prove this? I would think Mj would be the only one who could. Until this reaches trial I can't follow this stuff.

 

[WildStyle]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

It's also an odd conclusion to jump to that Malachi's vocals HAD to be recorded in the Cascio basement. They could have recorded them anywhere.

 

[Birchey]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

I'm way late on all this. I don't care to read all the posts. The only thing I want to know is can anyone ever really prove this? I would think Mj would be the only one who could. Until this reaches trial I can't follow this stuff.

Don't worry about reading posts, most of us are just banging on about the same stuff over and over xD

 

[Birchey]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

It's also an odd conclusion to jump to that Malachi's vocals HAD to be recorded in the Cascio basement. They could have recorded them anywhere.

BOOOOM! Ghost Manor Studios, NJ or Backyard Studios, LA. I am sure they both had their own shower rooms?

 

[ivy]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

the basement is soundproofed for a reason, with people upstairs, watching tv, in and out of the house, cooking, minding their own, you're not going to hear the complete sessions as you would if you were actually down there. You going to hear muffled sounds, and some vocals you arent going to understand, unless for some weird reason your ear is directly to the floor. Its totally possible for the family to be completely in the dark in regards to whats actually being recorded.

while I agree with what you said, could you please refresh my memory in some regard. Weren't there some TMZ articles from unnamed sources citing Prince and Paris and saying stuff like these aren't the song they heard? I remember it being repeated quite often back in the day. So is it no one heard anything or Cascio's heard nothing and PPB heard everything?

It's also an odd conclusion to jump to that Malachi's vocals HAD to be recorded in the Cascio basement. They could have recorded them anywhere.

I'm pretty sure that's a claim that was hinted by Anti-Cascio researchers - that Malachi was in NJ. Don't ask me the logic or details though, I ain't in the elusive group.

 

[tricia70]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

It's also an odd conclusion to jump to that Malachi's vocals HAD to be recorded in the Cascio basement. They could have recorded them anywhere.

If it is not Michael, any theories on when this impersonator recorded the vocals?

 

[Calisto]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

If it is not Michael, any theories on when this impersonator recorded the vocals?

Jason Malachi went on vacation between February 20 and March 1, 2010. Two and a half weeks later, Angelikson filed copyright registrations for what is believed to be the 12 songs.

So that's one possible time period.

Another thing that may or may not be worth mentioning: the last time Jason Malachi ever logged into his Maximum-Jackson account was on February 17, 2010. Did he decide it was time to distance himself from the MJ fan base for some reason?

 

[Calisto]

With the TMZ story [in 2007], it came at a low point in my career, when I started working in law enforcement. My best friend called me and says, "Your song Mamacita is all over TMZ, they’re saying it's not you, they're saying it's Michael Jackson." Then, my attorney contacted TMZ and said, "That's not Michael, that's Jason Malachi."

It catapulted my career, people wanted me to do cameos, shows - they couldn't believe my voice was so similar.

And, I can't confirm this, but at the time, my management said they received a call from Michael, and that he wanted to work with me. Now, it could've been someone posing as Michael, but he said he was interested in doing something with me.

I don't try to sound like Michael. Producers tell me I naturally have same vocal structure - that's really how I sound. When people say, "You're trying to sound like Michael," I say, "No, if I wanna sound like Michael, you won't know the the difference [between me and him]. If you want me to get Mike-ified, I can do it."

It's almost as if Malachi was hinting at something here. Let's remember this interview was conducted a few months after his twelve songs had been successfully sold to Sony Music as "Michael Jackson tracks." I imagine he was probably on cloud nine at the time and thinking pretty highly of himself.

Edit: And another quote...

Jason Malachi has always been responsive to my messages. He's a cool brother. His wife is funny. They've always been nice to me. I've never met them in person, but they've always been really nice and answered my questions.

I asked Jason in November [2010] if he was singing on the Cascio tracks. He said, "I can't confirm or deny anything right now." If he wasn't singing on those songs, he would have just denied it. I only shared this information with the team and a few others, because I didn't want to betray Jason's trust. But with his former producer coming out with this info, the time is right to speak up.

 

[OnirMJ]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

What exact date did Mamacita appear on internet?

 

[tricia70]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Jason Malachi went on vacation between February 20 and March 1, 2010. Two and a half weeks later, Angelikson filed copyright registrations for what is believed to be the 12 songs.

So that's one possible time period.

Another thing that may or may not be worth mentioning: the last time Jason Malachi ever logged into his Maximum-Jackson account was on February 17, 2010. Did he decide it was time to distance himself from the MJ fan base for some reason?

Mmmm okay thanks for the info.

 

[Calisto]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

What exact date did Mamacita appear on internet?

Jason Malachi had the song on his official website back in March 2004, but it was likely available even earlier than that.

 

[kreen]

Re: Estate, Cascio & Porte sued - Forensic Analysis says MJ is NOT singing the 3 songs on "MICHAEL"

Well a massive amount of what we have found out has been posted in the past, its being made to sound like there isn't anything against these tracks. Theres a difference, Montrone gave you permission to post that information (can you still send me screen plz?) Certain people were given permission to use interviews etc, they have told others what are in those interviews but have requested we do not give everything away. Its about trust.

I asked for Montrone's permission to publish, and he readily gave it to me. It seems to me that the only reason a person such as Cory Rooney, Brad Sundberg or Brad Buxer would tell Damien (yeah, we know it's him) anything and then say not to tell anyone is either because they're afraid to get sued, or because they don't want to harm their relationship with the Estate. The former raises questions about their proof; the latter, their ethics.

But in fact, if they told Damien anything, it means they're fine with it being known : nothing ever stays confidential anymore (with one MAJOR exception right?). So Damien might be holding on to these interviews for his book project. In which case I would ask him to just put it out in a blog and ask for donations : I donated 100 bucks to his failed kickstarter, and I will gladly send him that money as a thank-you if he puts out anything on his blog that will elucidate this thing.

Birchey PM me your email address and I will forward you the Montrone emails.