[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

But why would Michael need Safechuck to testify for him? No one had alleged during the trial that anything happend to him. So Michael did not need him, and no way in hell was Michael contacting people to testify for him. His PI was prob doing that and what trial did Jordan Chandler have in 1993? I am assuming they meant GJ
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It feels like they have thrown together every tabloid story they have found from the last 20 years. Poor Brett is dragged into it again...

The papers allege Jackson gave Safechuck jewelry as a "reward" for sexual favors and taught him code words so others wouldn't learn about their sexual activities.

Someone pointed out that there is a video somewhere about Michael and James buying jewelry in a store. Michael was in disguise but they were noticed so that's what the whole video was about. It was in the news at the time. So I guess this is why he incorporates this whole jewelry thing into his story. Now he will say that they bought jewelry for him to keep silent about alleged abuse. Maybe this is where the whole wedding ring and wedding craziness comes from too...

Claiming he was the first to stay at Jackson's famed Neverland Ranch after it was built, Safechuck states in the papers that the pop star "installed chimes in the hallway to his bedroom" so he could be warned of people approaching and had a "secret closet" in his bedroom where he engaged in sexual activities with Safechuck.

I don't think Jordan's story every mentioned the alarm system. The whole obsession with the alarm system came from the 2005 case and now both Wade and James make sure to incorporate it into their story.

The "secret closet" is a tabloid media obsession. But as much as tabloid stories have been obsessed with that "secret closet" all these years actually no accuser has ever claimed to have been molested there. Well, until now. So once again a tabloid rumour (which did not have any foundation in reality) inspires an allegation...

When Safechuck hit puberty at 12 years old, Jackson began "grooming him for separation [that] spanned several months" and focusing his attention on a younger boy named Brett, Safechuck claims. Eventually, Jackson stopped sexually abusing Safechuck but continued supporting him financially and put him in touch with industry people to guide his career, he adds.

Yes, Ivy, it's a very good point about the ages. So now Wade and James claim Michael lost interest in boys at about 12-13 year old. However Jordan and Gavin claimed that's when he actually started to be interested in them. At least they should have tried to make it consistent with the earlier stories.

And what is this "grooming for separation"? First time I hear such a thing.

I wonder what kind of career James persueded at the time in the entertainment industry. It's obvious that it did not go anywhere, but it seems he still had ambition to be in showbiz. Failed career could be another reason for holding grudge against MJ.

When he was around 25 years old, Safechuck was contacted by Jackson, who asked him to testify on his behalf in another criminal sexual abuse case. Safechuck alleges Jackson "got angry and threatened him" after he refused to help.

Yes, MJ was the type of guy who threatened people if they did not do what he wanted them to do...

And yes, why would Michael want him so desperately on the stand after abusing him more than 100 times? And BTW, the reason why testimony regarding Safechuck was not allowed in was because the prosecution only claimed to have testimony about his alleged "grooming", nothing about anyone witnessing anything beyond that. (Yes, in their motion about Prior Bad Acts they claim the Quindoys saw MJ touch him inappropriately but then they did not call the Quindoys to testify - they were obviously very problematic "witnesses" with lots of credibility issues, even for this prosecution.) So that is the reason why testimony re. Safechuck was not allowed in. So actually there was no reason for Michael to call him to testify....

I think Mez will be able to say something about how this process went about asking people to testify. Wether Michael personally called people or there were other people doing that job (somehow I even doubt that he personally called people like Safechuck to testify).
 
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And remember Levin saying in 05 he talked to Upchucks mother? And she said the DA would not leave them alone? And that Michael never bought them a home and never paid them off? And his cousin even said that on Twitter last year? Uh huh my man bullish
 
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And remember Levin saying in 05 he talked to Upchucks mother? And she said the DA would not leave them alone? And that Michael never bought them a home and never paid them off? And his cousin even said that on Twitter last year? Uh huh my man bullish

Yep, I remember that story. LOL. Harvey Levin may end up as a witness if this goes to court.

And yes, the cousin said last October:

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So apparently Safechuck not only did not tell anyone about his alleged abuse for all these years, but not even about things like he's telling now about MJ calling and threatening him to testify for him in 2005... Since his cousin last year still thought MJ was a great person.

BTW, the way I understand it from the precedent cases they try to use in Wade's lawsuit they need to claim some type of threat by MJ to try to invoke equitable estoppel. (In Wade's case that's the "our careers will be over and we both go to jail" crap.) So maybe that's why they claim this about MJ threatening him for not testifying but we will need to see the context.
 
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Diane Dimond stated that MJ has 5 accusers and there are probably thousands living in silence..I told her he was acquitted of molesting Gavin Arvizo, so it's actually 4. And LOL@thousands. Where are they?? Why aren't these numerous victims coming forward and joining Wade's lawsuit and scoring an easy payday? If Jimmy Savile can have 450 accusers then why not Michael Jackson?
 
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Even non fans in general think Safechuck's claims are the most stupid things they've read on Internet lately. Also many ones think why didn't he do it on the 2005 trial and that he wants money. Their disgusting and pathetic attempt won't tarnish APWNN it seems.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It is so obvious that they are trying very hard to punish Bret for not coming forward. And People magazine is wrong for publishing his name like that
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It is so obvious that they are trying very hard to punish Bret for not coming forward. And People magazine is wrong for publishing his name like that

I think they are trying to bait Brett to join.
 
Just days after RadarOnline.com’sexclusive report about new claimsMichael Jackson had anally rapedWade Robson, the former child star and choreographer opened up about the allegations in a heartfelt Facebook post.
As Radar reported, documents filed by Robson’s attorneys in the ongoing molestation case demanded Jackson’s estate admit that the deceased King of Pop introduced a seven-year-old Robson to pornography, forced him to pose “naked, with his knees and palms extended like a dog on all fours,” and even anally raped him.
Referencing Radar’s world exclusive, Robson wrote on Facebook, “This article contains some of the details of my child sexual abuse. It was not the plan for this info to be made public, but now that it has, I am sharing it because it is important for these ‘uncomfortable’ topics to be talked about in society.”
He continued, “One in four girls + 1 in 6 boys are sexually abused before they are 18. We must face these facts and learn to prevent them in any way we can. Silence perpetuates abuse.”
That said, Robson revealed that he has experienced a groundswell of support for his case since the disturbing allegations were made public on Radar.
“I am immensely moved by this incredible outpouring of support,” he wrote. “Thank you to family and friends. It means a lot to me. And it means a lot to all survivors. Love +Aloha, Wade.”
But even if his supporters believe his claims, as Radar has reported, Jackson’s estate is vowing to fight the allegations to the finish.
The attorney for the estate, Howard Weitzman, told Radar “There have been no settlement discussions with Mr. Robson, nor do we anticipate any taking place.”
In fact, the estate has asked a judge to reject Robson’s molestation claimagainst the late singer, because he supposedly waited too long to file. For his part, Robson has said he should have been served a notice of the administration of the estate when Jackson died.

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Someone pointed out that there is a video somewhere about Michael and James buying jewelry in a store. Michael was in disguise but they were noticed so that's what the whole video was about. It was in the news at the time. So I guess this is why he incorporates this whole jewelry thing into his story. Now he will say that they bought jewelry for him to keep silent about alleged abuse. Maybe this is where the whole wedding ring and wedding craziness comes from too...

I found the jewelry store story from 1989. This is why Safechuck incorporated it into his story. Maybe the whole wedding ring crap too. He will say now they were buying wedding rings or something.

Even in Disguise, Michael Jackson Gets Attention


May 03, 1989|PHILIP GOLLNER | Times Staff Writer


There was something suspicious about the customer in the Zales Jewelers store in Simi Valley on Monday afternoon.
Maybe it was the wig. Or the phony-looking mustache and teeth.
But the thin man in the red baseball cap wasn't casing the joint, as employees feared when they called police.
It was singer Michael Jackson, hoping not to be noticed.


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The encounter happened about 5 p.m. in the Sycamore Plaza mall. Wearing his get-up, Jackson was looking at rings.
Employee Julie Andrews (not the singer) said she became suspicious because he kept adjusting his mustache and looking in a mirror. Another Zales store had recently been robbed by men wearing disguises.
Employees summoned security guard H. N. Edwards, who asked the suspicious character to step outside. Why was he wearing a false mustache? Edwards demanded.
"I have to," he answered. "I'm in disguise. I'm Michael Jackson."
"My first thought was this guy had gotten off the elevator between floors," Edwards said Tuesday.
Jackson, one of the best-known pop singers in America, said the disguise was necessary to avoid being mobbed.
Edwards asked him to remove the mustache. He did and, sure enough, fans began gathering and asking for autographs. Three squad cars arrived.
"The officers were convinced he was who he said he was, and he went on his way," Officer Diane Sliester said Tuesday.
Jackson and a boy he was with visited a gift store and bought several toy figurines and a pair of heart-shaped sunglasses, Sliester said. Then they drove away in a brown Mercedes-Benz.

http://articles.latimes.com/1989-05-03/news/mn-2482_1_zales-jewelers-mustache-store-in-simi-valley

Them being in a jewelry store was a story that made it into the media back then, so Safechuck is now trying to use it.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Baloney Wade your lawyers wanted and it didn't work
 
marc_vivien;4034657 said:
Just days after RadarOnline.com’sexclusive report about new claimsMichael Jackson had anally rapedWade Robson, the former child star and choreographer opened up about the allegations in a heartfelt Facebook post.
As Radar reported, documents filed by Robson’s attorneys in the ongoing molestation case demanded Jackson’s estate admit that the deceased King of Pop introduced a seven-year-old Robson to pornography, forced him to pose “naked, with his knees and palms extended like a dog on all fours,” and even anally raped him.
Referencing Radar’s world exclusive, Robson wrote on Facebook, “This article contains some of the details of my child sexual abuse. It was not the plan for this info to be made public, but now that it has, I am sharing it because it is important for these ‘uncomfortable’ topics to be talked about in society.”
He continued, “One in four girls + 1 in 6 boys are sexually abused before they are 18. We must face these facts and learn to prevent them in any way we can. Silence perpetuates abuse.”

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Playing the game, Wade, huh? I so hate his fake ass. Besides his unscrupulous money grab he shamelessly uses and hides behind real abuse victims. He makes me sick. What an vile, evil man.

We must face these facts and learn to prevent them in any way we can. Silence perpetuates abuse.”

So it's about prevention? I wonder if he has ever talked to his mother about her role of not preventing it. Because he blames and sues Michael's companies for "turning a blind eye" but never says anything about his mother "turning a blind eye". Which is very telling about what it really is about.

And seeing him preach about the silence that perpetuates abuse is pretty ironic, considering I still have not heard him apologizing to Gavin. He's so shallow and hypocritical.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I wish someone in the media would actually point out how far-fetched these abuse claims by Wade and James are, instead of only presenting MJ's side as "well, they're too late to file their claims, too bad for them". There are far better reasons to dismiss the accusations than some legal technicality.
 
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You notice how he always uses other people to prove whatever point he wants to make
 
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I don't know why I read those radaronline comments. They always make me feel worse. Ugh.
 
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If you read those comments knowing they will make you feel worst then you should ask yourself why do it?
 
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I don't know. Curiosity. Wanting to know what's going on and be informed. The whole situation is just too much.
 
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People are easily manipulated unfortunately. Throw in some nice words, talk about abuse victims generally and how it's about them and it's suddenly portrayed as "heartfelt" and people fall for it. Reality is, however, that putting a couple of hypocritical sentences on FB won't make all the problems with his case go away. Yes, it's unfortunate for Michael that much of the media, especially tabloids like Radar Online, is bad at factually presenting a case. They fall for salacious little soundbites and emotional manipulation instead of a factual analysis of the allegations at hand.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I believe since radar has been wades mouth piece since day one . his "supporters" who are mainly mj's haters are dominating it .You should not expect to find objective people there.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It is about prevention, yet he defended his abuser for years and even testified before a court of law. If he wanted to come across as more conviction, how about given a public apologize to Gavin and Jason for letting their abuser get away with it. Same with Chuck who knew Michael did him wrong and threatened, but instead of going to the DA he stood in silent and did nothing. Going by their own statements both Chuck and Wade need to be in jail.

And why is Brett everyone's abused kid in these things?
 
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Because Bret Barnes won't join them. In fact he tells them off on Twitter all the time and they hate that. They harass him like crazy
 
marc_vivien;4034657 said:
Just days after RadarOnline.com’sexclusive report about new claimsMichael Jackson had anally rapedWade Robson, the former child star and choreographer opened up about the allegations in a heartfelt Facebook post.
As Radar reported, documents filed by Robson’s attorneys in the ongoing molestation case demanded Jackson’s estate admit that the deceased King of Pop introduced a seven-year-old Robson to pornography, forced him to pose “naked, with his knees and palms extended like a dog on all fours,” and even anally raped him.
Referencing Radar’s world exclusive, Robson wrote on Facebook, “This article contains some of the details of my child sexual abuse. It was not the plan for this info to be made public, but now that it has, I am sharing it because it is important for these ‘uncomfortable’ topics to be talked about in society.”
He continued, “One in four girls + 1 in 6 boys are sexually abused before they are 18. We must face these facts and learn to prevent them in any way we can. Silence perpetuates abuse.”
That said, Robson revealed that he has experienced a groundswell of support for his case since the disturbing allegations were made public on Radar.
“I am immensely moved by this incredible outpouring of support,” he wrote. “Thank you to family and friends. It means a lot to me. And it means a lot to all survivors. Love +Aloha, Wade.”
But even if his supporters believe his claims, as Radar has reported, Jackson’s estate is vowing to fight the allegations to the finish.
The attorney for the estate, Howard Weitzman, told Radar “There have been no settlement discussions with Mr. Robson, nor do we anticipate any taking place.”
In fact, the estate has asked a judge to reject Robson’s molestation claimagainst the late singer, because he supposedly waited too long to file. For his part, Robson has said he should have been served a notice of the administration of the estate when Jackson died.

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No. Just no. Wade should not speak on behalf of rape survivors because he does not know what the hell he is talking about. Sorry, but that comment is both disturbing and disgusting.

What's most disturbing about all of this is they seem to be having fun with it. "Oh, let's see how crazy we can get with our claims!", as if it is some kind of joke. How sick do you have to be think that sexual abuse is something to joke about?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Because Bret Barnes won't join them. In fact he tells them off on Twitter all the time and they hate that. They harass him like crazy

I just find it odd that it always seemed to be either Brett or Mac who becomes the go to kids for Michael's sexual abuse. I can understand Mac since he is famous, but Brett is always thrown in despite him not being well-known outside the fan community. It is because of people like Chuck that poor man is harass all the time on twitter with people telling him he was raped and enjoyed it.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The thing I noticed is, with all the children he (Michael) came in contact with over the course of his entire life, the only people to ever accuse him are males, and American males at that. No girls have ever accused him, and nobody from London, or Africa or Germany or Russia or Japan or anywhere else in the world- that I know of anyway- has ever made such claims against him.

Actually, that's not true. Wade and his family are from Australia, and Wade's mother was begging Michael to bring them to America; which he unfortunately did. (He should have left their ungrateful asses over there).

And Terry George is from the U.K.

And the daughter of Bob Geldof, Peaches Geldof accused Michael of touching her. http://news.oneindia.in/2009/03/12/peaches-geldof-was-stroked-by-michael-jackson.html
 
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Actually, that's not true. Wade and his family are from Australia, and Wade's mother was begging Michael to bring them to America; which he unfortunately did. (He should have left their ungrateful asses over there).

And Terry George is from the U.K.

I'd never heard of Terry George. And I know Wade is from Australia, but I thought they moved here before meeting Michael? In either case, he's an American citizen now I'm pretty sure, and filing a claim.
 
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I just find it odd that it always seemed to be either Brett or Mac who becomes the go to kids for Michael's sexual abuse. I can understand Mac since he is famous, but Brett is always thrown in despite him not being well-known outside the fan community. It is because of people like Chuck that poor man is harass all the time on twitter with people telling him he was raped and enjoyed it.

Because Bret Barnes is very vocal about Michael. I don't believe he is the only one they bother. And I am telling Dimond and Brown are in this mark my words when this blows up we are going to see the same ole gang
 
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Oh and another thing, who married MJ and Safechuck? How can you play wedding without someone pretending to be the minister?

What, you didn't hear?? Bubbles was the minister!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'd never heard of Terry George. And I know Wade is from Australia, but I thought they moved here before meeting Michael? In either case, he's an American citizen now I'm pretty sure, and filing a claim.

Yes, he's an American now. But Wade and all his family are from Australia and only came here because of Wade's mother's insistence. They moved to America to specifically be near Michael. She was the one who pursued it.

Terry George is the sick mofo who accused Michael of having phone sex with him.

But now Terry George is all sympathetic towards Michael now saying he meant no harm... blah, blah, blah.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes, he's an American now. But Wade and all his family are from Australia and only came here because of Wade's mother's insistence. They moved to American to specifically be near Michael. She was the one who pursued it.

Terry George is the sick mofo who accused Michael of having phone sex with him.

But now Terry George is all sympathetic towards Michael now saying he meant no harm... blah, blah, blah.

Wow. I'm really living under a rock. I had never heard of this. Nor do I care to, really. I thought I thought Jordie, Gavin, Wade and Safechuck were it. Yeah, I'm out of the loop, but I stay that way on purpose.
 
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