Spike Lee announces Off The Wall Documentary - Estate Announcement Page 66

[Zakk]

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Providence 1981 was recorded on Multitrack then? that is very exciting, the visual snippets look fantastic also.. although the camera angles are fairly poor.. Providence looks extremely energetic & i absolutely adore the black glove that Michael wears.. his weight also looks healthier on that particular show too

Edit, sorry for going off topic!

 

[Tygger]

I'm not quite sure if I understand what you want. You want a specific show from Triumph Tour to be released on both CD and DVD?

OnirMJ, I said this three times and it is not much different from what others here are saying so where is the confusion? Why would I not want a cd to MATCH a dvd concert? Is that not what we have with the Wembly Bad concert? Personally, I do not listen to the abridged cd version of the Wembly show; I listen to my audio rip of the Wembly show. I already own Triumph Live on vinyl and cd and never once asked for a reissue.

If this documentary comes to fruition – and I truly hope it does – I hope it will be distributed similar to the way I hoped the Bad25 documentary would have been distributed after airing on television. It should be a cd/dvd offering that includes the OTW album (most likely the same track list of the special edition unless there are unreleased songs available from the era) and the Spike Lee documentary. A second offering should include a live concert (Triumph although it would be grand to have Destiny AND Triumph so viewers can see the growth Michael had as an artist) and accompanying live cds (please do not condense a full concert to one cd again).

OnirMJ/InvincibleTal, allow me to clarify. If there is not a live cd to go with the concert footage, the blame goes to Sony. Destiny/Triumph are both Epic/Sony offerings. Triumph Live (a grand cd) is on Epic/Sony also. I personally would like to see a FULL concert offering (two cds not one) for at least one of these tours to accompany the OTW documentary IF it actually will be completed. If a Triumph concert is one day officially released, it would be a disservice to not release full cds to match the concert. That is Sony’s responsibility.

If the documentary is to happen, we are hopeful it is paired with a Triumph dvd concert (in stellar quality I might add and I want a full concert cd from Sony). If this happens, I will be glad the Estate proved me wrong.

Their focus is on Michael Jackson including his time in The Jacksons

That is not their focus and that is simply untrue. The focus is on certain portions of Michael solo career.

 

[Zakk]

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OnirMJ, I said that three times and it is not much different from what others here are saying so where is the confusion? Why would I not want a cd to MATCH a dvd concert? Is that not what we have with the Wembly Bad concert? Personally, I do not listen to the abridged cd version of the Wembly show; I listen to my audio rip. I already own Triumph Live on vinyl and cd and never once asked for a reissue.









That is not their focus and that is simply untrue.

Why should it not be their focus though? his time with The Jackson's, especially the tours.. is an integral part of Michael's career, showing the maturity of his aura on stage. I don't think a live audio release is needed, as the 1981 Vinyl is spectacular & can never be beaten.. old format is better than anything out there today & that is for sure the truth (Vinyl exceeds 192khz)! A cinematic release, highlighting Michael's growth as a live performer would be a wonderful experience to behold, if not that.. then surely a Blu-Ray would be possible, Jackie/Marlon & Tito could help with archiving & Digitizing the footage, it's not unheard of.. But now we should get back on topic Plus, no a live audio release does not have to match the Visual show.

 

[Tygger]

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Zakk, I agree with you but, I do not believe that is their focus. I believe Michael's musical legacy suffers if the focus is only on certain portions of Michael's solo career. Xscape only covered Thriller to Dangerous if I am not mistaken despite being publicized as covering more than that.

I disagree with you that a audio release is not necessary; provided a tour like Triumph was officially released. We have an audio release of the TII tour (a tour that never happened) and one for Wembly despite being an abridged version.

 

[Zakk]

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Zakk, I agree with you but, I do not believe that is their focus. I believe Michael's musical legacy suffers if the focus is only on certain portions of Michael's solo career. Xscape only covered Thriller to Dangerous if I am not mistaken despite being publicized as covering more than that.

I disagree with you that a audio release is not necessary. We have an audio release of the TII tour (a tour that never happened) and one for Wembly despite being an abridged version.

The thing is though, the movie was severely incomplete leaving out 6 song's! plus, the audio release of This Is It were just taken from the original studio recording's! Wembley was mixed shockingly bad, and the CD mix suffers from having important moments cut from it, any future Live CD release should be 2 discs! well, their is some hope that a HIStory anniversary is on it's way! hopefully Invincible will be celebrated in the future too, but that's going off topic quite a bit.. why should live performances of song's from Off The Wall be ignored? does it really matter that his brother's are there too? it only adds to the experience.

 

[Hess]

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I always heard Little Susie was written during OTW era.

Would be amazing to hear a young MJ from the OTW era sing Little Susie. - And see if lyrics have changed etc.

Hope these outtakes will some day be released.

 

[OnirMJ]

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OnirMJ, I said this three times and it is not much different from what others here are saying so where is the confusion? Why would I not want a cd to MATCH a dvd concert? Is that not what we have with the Wembly Bad concert? Personally, I do not listen to the abridged cd version of the Wembly show; I listen to my audio rip of the Wembly show. I already own Triumph Live on vinyl and cd and never once asked for a reissue.

Ok, just don't blame anyone when you don't get what you want. They released Wembley on both DVD and CD because Bad Tour was completely unreleased in any format. Triumph Tour was released on CD so I think it's highly unlikely that they'll be releasing another Triumph Tour CD anytime soon. And no, there is no conspiracy within Estate against releasing anything related to The Jacksons, it's just that there are so many other things that are completely unreleased and that should be released first. And that's not just my opinion. It's also very logic business decision.

Estate has to found another record label (collector's label) which will release these type of projects aimed for hardcore fans. Low key releases without huge promotion budgets. I doubt that that kind of release you are hoping on would ever be released under Sony (and again I'm not blaming them). There are so many tours that have either no live CD or neither live CD or DVD. So I think that they'll release HIStory for example first, then Victory and maybe only then Triumph or Dangerous which already have some type of releases.

 

[OnirMJ]

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Xscape only covered Thriller to Dangerous if I am not mistaken despite being publicized as covering more than that.

Not true. Love Never Felt So Good (1983, or 1980 - according to D.S.) - Chicago (1999).

There are tracks from Thriller era (1), Bad era (2), Dangerous era (1) and Invincible era (4). So I would say that it covers pretty big part of his entire career (16 years at least!).

 

[OnirMJ]

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We have an audio release of the TII tour (a tour that never happened).

That is not true. There is no audio release of TII. Just DVD and blu-ray. This Is It soundtrack is just Greatest Hits collection (studio versions), not live performances.

Also those were rehearsals, I wouldn't want that to be released as live CD.

 

[Tygger]

Zakk, completely agree with both posts.

OnirMJ, I am hoping we all get what we want: confirmation there will be a OTW documentary first and then, if we are lucky, the official release of at least the Triumph tour with the documentary. If it is released officially, I would like an audio to match the concert.

TII was not promoted as a greatest hits collection despite it sounding like one. It was promoted as a companion piece to the movie; an audio release of what would have been the TII concert. Of course they could not use audio from the rehearsal footage but, they wanted to capitalize on what could have been the TII concert that never was so it is true.

Let us agree to disagree on where the focus is on Michael’s career by Estate/Sony. Again, I want to be proven wrong here and see Estate/Sony release Triumph and Victory (and Destiny) as well as Michael’s solo tours. I support an ultimate live collection where there are dvds and cds from at least one concert from EACH MJ era; J5 through. I believe the Estate can and should do that through Sony. It would be a grand way to complete their contract.

Not true. Love Never Felt So Good (1983, or 1980 - according to D.S.) - Chicago (1999).

There are tracks from Thriller era (1), Bad era (2), Dangerous era (1) and Invincible era (4). So I would say that it covers pretty big part of his entire career (16 years at least!).

Good list, I forgot only HIStory was missing. I thought it was Dangerous(2) and Bad(1) though.

 

[AtlasAir]

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Triumph Tour was basically Off The Wall tour, featuring his brothers.
I hope they do touch on that tour in the doc.

 

[OnirMJ]

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Good list, I forgot only HIStory was missing. I thought it was Dangerous(2) and Bad(1) though.

Yeah, that's because Do You Know Where Your Children Are. We always thought it was Dangerous era track, but we found out that it was actually first written and recorded for Bad. According to LA Read MJ wrote it and recorded it for Bad and then worked again on it for Dangerous.

 

[OnirMJ]

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Triumph Tour was basically Off The Wall tour, featuring his brothers.
I hope they do touch on that tour in the doc.

I'm sure they will, like the clips that were shown in The One documentary. Sony have those clips in their vaults somewhere. Releasing the full show is another thing, as much as I hope they do, I doubt it.

 

[Zakk]

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Triumph Tour was intended for release, same as the Victory Tour! a Blu-Ray would be incredible.. Michael's vocals are just divinity in motion.




On another note, was the song 'Iowa' based on the state/city in the United States?

 

[Galactus123]

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We have no idea if Blu-Ray is even possible from that tour.

 

[Tygger]

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No confirmation yet? I am sure the Estate knows what Lee stated last week.

At this point, I am inclined to believe this is another project Lee wishes to do - like his film about Michael's passing - and hopes the Estate will support him. Without their confirmation and support, this is just a nice dream and unfortunately, I have to wake myself up from it.

 

[serendipity]

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I wouldn't wait for a confirmation or announcement yet. They will do it when everything is ready and have a release date most likely. And any releases will happen, at the earliest, next year, so........ I don't see the Estate revealing anything now.

 

[Zakk]

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I wouldn't wait for a confirmation or announcement yet. They will do it when everything is ready and have a release date most likely. And any releases will happen, at the earliest, next year, so........ I don't see the Estate revealing anything now.

I agree with you, Thriller 25 was released the February after the actual anniversary date of the album.. maybe they're working on a deluxe set like BAD 25 and will announce it in the New Year? anything is possible, but nothing is really certain.

 

[ivy]

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I wouldn't wait for a confirmation or announcement yet. They will do it when everything is ready and have a release date most likely. And any releases will happen, at the earliest, next year, so........ I don't see the Estate revealing anything now.

Ditto. They never confirm or deny anything until they are ready to do so. for example fans found both Bad 25 and MJ One information from trademark registrations. Estate didn't confirm or deny anything even though they were directly asked. When it was time they simply released their announcements.

 

[Hess]

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Until an official announcement comes - I will just cross my fingers and hope...

 

[Tygger]

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If I am remembering correctly, there were rumors about the Bad25 documentary on Twitter because the film's commentators tweeted about it. Lee did not mention anything until post production. His comments were publicized by the Associated Press and the Estate's official press release was publicized on forums.

Since Lee's comments last week, nothing. No major media outlet has repeated this story.

 

[ivy]

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Since Lee's comments last week, nothing. No major media outlet has repeated this story.

I wouldn't put much importance on that. I believe he mentioned the documentary at a Q&A at an international festival and the original reporting was in Spanish. It's hard for US media to catch on that and plus no major media would repeat such claim without confirmation.

 

[CrazyVegasMJ]

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Ditto. They never confirm or deny anything until they are ready to do so. for example fans found both Bad 25 and MJ One information from trademark registrations. Estate didn't confirm or deny anything even though they were directly asked. When it was time they simply released their announcements.

Where can we see everything the estate has registered? Ty!

 

[ivy]

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^^
from Trademark Electronic Search System (TESS)

They didn't register anything related to OTW if that's what you are asking. In the case of Bad 25 and MJ One both registrations happened at most one week before the official announcement. So I would recommend being patient and waiting.

 

[Tygger]

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It's hard for US media to catch on that and plus no major media would repeat such claim without confirmation.

Lee is a U.S. director so the U.S. media would be inclined to report what he said regardless of where he said it. (Adding: especially when it is in regards to Michael Jackson.) I agree that major media outlets would not repeat this story without Estate confirmation. It is that lack of confirmation some posters here have been commenting on.

I do not remember Lee stating anything about Bad25 until post production however; I do remember him talking about doing a film on Michael's passing and being a bit upset he would not be allowed to do it in the manner he wanted. That is most likely because he did not receive Estate support.

I find this situation strange. Lee is not a novice and many have contacted him on Twitter without response. It could be he spoke to soon or is being wishful; I do not know.

As I said before, I would be very happy to be proven wrong by the Estate in this situation and I do hope Lee simply spoke to soon from enthusiasm. I want to see an OTW documentary and truly believe Lee is the best director for the job as it is his favorite MJ album.

 

[tricia70]

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This is great news. That album is so influential. Many critics like that album over Thriller and the retro feel of today's music has its roots on Off the Wall. Nice!!

 

[Zakk]

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This is great news. That album is so influential. Many critics like that album over Thriller and the retro feel of today's music has its roots on Off the Wall. Nice!!

Don't get too excited, the estate may not even say anything about this.. or another reason for their silence could be because they are planning a big surprise i emailed alicia about it, she didn't respond! they seem to have given up on Xscape, which is good news for the next project.. i just hope lips aren't sealed for too long.. will the documentary be released with a deluxe set? after fans wanted them to do that for BAD 25? anything is possible, let's keep expectations low for now.

 

[h0opman31]

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This is great news. That album is so influential. Many critics like that album over Thriller and the retro feel of today's music has its roots on Off the Wall. Nice!!

Over the past summer I was listening to the album from start to end. And I was blown away at how amazing this album is. The dance vibe and sounds of the instruments and just MJ's vocals are truly on a league of its own. It is def underrated to the point where Thriller album is more considered as a dance album than OTW.

 

[JEMFTV]

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It seems that Spike Lee is doing only documentaries for underrated albums. BAD was a little underrated by critics, so it got it's own documentary to show the album's greatness. OTW is very underrated so it's getting it's own documentary too. Hopefully he'll do an documentary about the invincible album aswell...

 

[8701girl]

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No confirmation yet? I am sure the Estate knows what Lee stated last week.

At this point, I am inclined to believe this is another project Lee wishes to do - like his film about Michael's passing - and hopes the Estate will support him. Without their confirmation and support, this is just a nice dream and unfortunately, I have to wake myself up from it.

Totally agree with u on this point and i aint gonna get my hopes up