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New Official "Say Say Say" Remix Coming October 2015

I downloaded it. BOTH of their voices (not just Michael's) sound strange at places, but not fake (and def. not Cascio-level strange). Maybe the vocals were a bit processed at places.
 
I bought the deluxe album on amazon, but I only get to download disc 1 on mp3 rip. So stupid. Can someone please PM me the download link for the new version? Thanks.
 
OnirMJ said:
I bought the deluxe album on amazon, but I only get to download disc 1 on mp3 rip. So stupid. Can someone please PM me the download link for the new version? Thanks.
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Have you tried talking to Amazon's customer service?
 
HIStoric said:
Have you tried talking to Amazon's customer service?
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I guess that's the deal. mp3 rip is for free. I didn't buy mp3 version. I bought 2CD + DVD Deluxe set and I got free mp3 rip. I guess disc 2 is exclusive for CD version.
 
OnirMJ said:
I guess that's the deal. mp3 rip is for free. I didn't buy mp3 version. I bought 2CD + DVD Deluxe set and I got free mp3 rip. I guess disc 2 is exclusive for CD version.
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The music tracks shouldn't be exclusive to the CD, they're part of the 2 CD deluxe edition which both iTunes and Google Play have for download on their respective stores. Amazon also sells an mp3-only version of the deluxe edition here. Theoretically, as you purchased the deluxe edition which includes these tracks, you should have access to those bonus tracks as mp3s on AutoRip.

The terms and conditions of AutoRip say "There are sometimes multiple versions of albums that vary from one another. We'll provide you an MP3 version of the album that we determine is comparable to the version you purchased. If you purchase an album that includes audiovisual or other non-music content (such as a "deluxe" album), or bonus audio content that is not available on the MP3 version of the album, the non-music content and the bonus audio content from the album will not be included in the MP3 version of the album that is added to your Amazon Music library." It's odd because they do have your version for sale as an MP3 album but they didn't give you the right edition to download. If you mention that and give them the links, Amazon Customer Service might let you download it!

Who knows, it can't hurt to hit them up on the online chat and ask anyway :)
 
Lil Ced said:
This has the same kind of vibrato as those tracks to me. Not to start any controversy, just pointing out how similar they are.
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You know now that I hear the full track I agree. I must apologise for my earlier reply.
 
I mean you can say you do not intend to start any controversy but making a claim like that is going to start discussion and debate. There shouldn't be any question to the validity of the vocals, why on earth would they not be his? If they didn't have Michael singing some of the lines, they'd just revert to Paul's vocals like they do for some of the lines.

These vocals are likely from the demo Michael recorded after writing the song (some of which ended up being used on the final backing tracks according to Pipes of Peace website). Now I admittedly am not familiar with some of the more technical terms when it comes to singing (such as vibrato), but is it possible Michael sung a bit differently because this was meant to be nothing more than a demo? Some people here are suggesting it's possible the vocals were digitally manipulated, which too is a possibility.
 
oh oh!!! opening verse is very cascio track like. Obviously MJ is not goin' full out for a demo vocal and maybe hasn't warmed up his vocal cords like he would for a finished recording so sounds a little different - but the Vibrato is definitely there in opening verse. Raises serious questions for me. Was 100% on fake songs side but now not so sure.
 
So people really think the only problem with the Cascio vocals is the vibrato? So if Say Say Say demo has a vibrato then that means the Cascio vocals are real? I am sorry but I don't think the vibrato was the only problem with those vocals.

Those damn Cascio songs really did a huge damage to MJ's legacy. Now each and every release is questioned and compared to those songs. Sigh.
 
Can someone PM me the link for new version in HQ. I bought the album, but it won't get it in the mail for few weeks and I can't find the song online. Thanks.
 
Agree that the vibrato isn't the only problem, there's the quality of the tracks and the stupid lyrics (Mama got you in a zig zag???) for starters but for me the say say say demo opening verse is identical to the voice on some parts of the cascio tracks. I'm 42 and have been MJ fan since 1 was 9. Have everything from J5 to 3T. Love the Jacksons my whole life. So I'm not some newbie estate loving person who doesn't know MJ when they hear it. This demo does raise questions for me in favour of the Cascios.
 
How can anyone suguest that's not Mj. You really think Paul would put up fake vocals? Get real. I get sick of all the controversy people create. always drama. Smfh. Enjoy the song he can't make new ones.
 
djlf said:
Agree that the vibrato isn't the only problem, there's the quality of the tracks and the stupid lyrics (Mama got you in a zig zag???) for starters but for me the say say say demo opening verse is identical to the voice on some parts of the cascio tracks. I'm 42 and have been MJ fan since 1 was 9. Have everything from J5 to 3T. Love the Jacksons my whole life. So I'm not some newbie estate loving person who doesn't know MJ when they hear it. This demo does raise questions for me in favour of the Cascios.
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These two voices honestly sound identical to you?



I honestly can't believe this is being debated. I agree that there is more vibrato in those verses - mainly the first - than we usually hear from Michael, but a more-prominent-than-usual vibrato is enough for you to reconsider the Cascio tracks?

Apart from the fact that the tonality of the voices, the pronunication, etc are all completely different, the vibratos are also not that similar. Michael's sounds much more controlled and in time with the music than Jason's fast and shaky vibrato. As a side note, I also would not be surprised if they cut and pasted the verses together from different takes. The 'don't.. play' transition sounds a bit abrupt, for instance. In any case, regardless of any editing they may have done, the voice on the Say Say Say remix clearly still sounds like Michael, because it is his voice. Same can't be said for the Cascio tracks.

Anyway, I just bought the remix as well and enjoy it. I was never a big fan of this song, but it is nice to have the extra vocals and some fun ad-libs. Maybe one day we will get the chance to hear Michael's solo demo in its entirety.
 
Smooth72 said:
How can anyone suguest that's not Mj. You really think Paul would put up fake vocals? Get real. I get sick of all the controversy people create. always drama. Smfh. Enjoy the song he can't make new ones.
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THANK YOU BOTH. Seriously, it makes literally zero sense for Paul McCartney and his team to put 'fake vocals' on this mix. If they lacked vocals for a line, they'd simply insert Paul's vocals to fill the gap.

I'm cringing here tbh.
 
HIStoric said:
THANK YOU BOTH. Seriously, it makes literally zero sense for Paul McCartney and his team to put 'fake vocals' on this mix. If they lacked vocals for a line, they'd simply insert Paul's vocals to fill the gap.

I'm cringing here tbh.
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To be fair, although I totally agree with you that that scenario makes no sense, the same goes for the Cascio debacle. On the surface it sounds really implausible that they'd buy 12 and release 3 songs with vocals by an impersonator. Yet it happened. I can see why people are more sceptical since then as a result. That's part of the damage those songs did that respect77 referred to.

For me what makes the least sense in all of this simply has to do with the perception of the voice: the fact that people think the Cascio voice is Michael. Or in this case, that these vocals sound identical to the Cascio tracks. All these other factors, such as the implausibility of the situation, the lyrics, the existence or lack of evidence, contradicting and impossible explanations, etc, are important and of course crucial to consider. But it all starts with the perception of the voice - and the differences therein are astounding to me sometimes.
 
How are some of you comparing this new remix to the Cascio fraud? It's stupid and uncalled for because it's Michael in this Say Say Say remix, it seems many of us just think the vocals are processed which makes Michael's voice sound altered something similar he did in Do The Bartman.

Paul has been a liar jerk making many people believe Michael stole the Beatles catalogue from him for decades but he showed he still respects MJ's artistry with this new project.
 
Galactus123 said:
Is the HQ version anywhere like Youtube? I can't find it.
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Nope, but it's out on all the streaming services now. Alternatively, if you aren't signed up for those, you can always preview the song on iTunes/Google Play or something. Not the full song but better than nothing I suppose...

All the versions I've seen on YouTube so far have been that LQ Soundcloud rip...
 
It's brilliant. LOVE IT! Love MJ's beatboxing and sound effects he usually does with his mouth (it reminds me of Behind The Mask and State of Shock - extended mix; he obviously liked that a lot during that time period) towards the end of the song. Beautiful mix. I love this kind of extended mixes. MJ vocals are so clear, so extremely high. At times they do sound a bit different, maybe little processed who knows. They are clearly taken from the demo MJ presented to Paul. Anyways, thanks sir Paul for this brilliant mix and new MJ vocals. I'm not gonna even comment about Cascio debate in this thread because it is ridiculous debate.
 
HIStoric said:
Nope, but it's out on all the streaming services now. Alternatively, if you aren't signed up for those, you can always preview the song on iTunes/Google Play or something. Not the full song but better than nothing I suppose...

All the versions I've seen on YouTube so far have been that LQ Soundcloud rip...
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I just listened the preview version on Google Play. Sounds great! :)
 
No doubt, this is Michael's vocals. They are little processed in some places to more fit to music.
 
Smooth72 said:
How can anyone suguest that's not Mj. You really think Paul would put up fake vocals? Get real. I get sick of all the controversy people create. always drama. Smfh. Enjoy the song he can't make new ones.
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O so people are taking this wayyyy out of context. I wasn't suggesting the voice on this new "Say Say Say" remix is not MJ's. I was pointing out how similar the voice at the beginning of it is to the Cascio tracks. I would consider myself an "expert" on identifying MJ's voice, and I couldn't really tell there. As some have pointed out, it is probably a WHOLE lot of processing done that made it have that effect. Which is essentially what Teddy Riley said about the Cascio tracks. But I still don't believe those tracks are MJ. Point blank period.
 
SoCav said:
These two voices honestly sound identical to you?



I honestly can't believe this is being debated. I agree that there is more vibrato in those verses - mainly the first - than we usually hear from Michael, but a more-prominent-than-usual vibrato is enough for you to reconsider the Cascio tracks?

Apart from the fact that the tonality of the voices, the pronunication, etc are all completely different, the vibratos are also not that similar. Michael's sounds much more controlled and in time with the music than Jason's fast and shaky vibrato. As a side note, I also would not be surprised if they cut and pasted the verses together from different takes. The 'don't.. play' transition sounds a bit abrupt, for instance. In any case, regardless of any editing they may have done, the voice on the Say Say Say remix clearly still sounds like Michael, because it is his voice. Same can't be said for the Cascio tracks.

Anyway, I just bought the remix as well and enjoy it. I was never a big fan of this song, but it is nice to have the extra vocals and some fun ad-libs. Maybe one day we will get the chance to hear Michael's solo demo in its entirety.
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And that isn't fair. That's like comparing Human Nature to Morphine. Two different singing types and eras.
 
Lil Ced said:
And that isn't fair. That's like comparing Human Nature to Morphine. Two different singing types and eras.
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Thing is we have like a couple of seconds of "weird" moments on Say Say Say 2015. However we have 12 songs of non-stop weirdness on the Cascio songs. It just never ceases. Track after track after track it doesn't sound like him. In fact, the more you listen from those 12 songs the more certain you are it is not MJ. Uptempo, downtempo, mid-tempo - it doesn't matter. None of those sound like MJ. SoCav could have taken any part of any of those 12 songs and the results would have been the same.
 
Lil Ced said:
And that isn't fair. That's like comparing Human Nature to Morphine. Two different singing types and eras.
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Well, to your point: Human Nature and Morphine are entirely different songs vocally, soothing vs gritty. I think the character of the songs Say Say Say and Breaking News differs to a much lesser extent. Also, I sometimes find the era thing a bit exaggerated. Michael's voice changed and as fans familiar with his voice it is often quite easy to tell from what era certain vocals come. But the changes were not that drastic. Michael's voice is incredibly distinctive. It doesn't matter if you play something from 1978 or 2008, you can tell it is him.

In the case of Human Nature and Morphine: two different vocal styles and eras, yet the same voice. In the case of Say Say Say and Breaking News: different voices.

Btw, my comparison was a direct response to this (I know you did not say that the Casio vocals were identical to the Say Say Say vocals, but another poster did):
djlf said:
for me the say say say demo opening verse is identical to the voice on some parts of the cascio tracks.
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So you are sayiing I picked the wrong Cascio track? The choice was random. I could have picked any of the other tracks too. It doesn't matter which song it is, my point would have been the same: that I just cannot understand how anyone can think it is the same voice.
 
^ Because it does sound like Michael lol!! I know you can easily say no.. I have my own belief about the songs and NO I don't think it's at least ALL Michael but for someone to say at the very least if its not at all Michael that the person that recorded those tracks did not do a good job is fooling themselves in my opinion. There has never been a vocal impersonator to have the fan community split like this before... That says something!

And this is coming from someone that believes the Cascio tracks are shady!
 
^ Well, one of the reasons of the split is that it appeared on an officially released album and some fans just cannot imagine that the Estate would do this or that the Cascios would do this. Had it been just put on You Tube, not as a part of an official album, I don't think the split would be this big. And to be honest there have always been fans who thought Mamacita was MJ and so on. So some fans CAN be fooled and always could even with unofficial YouTube releases. Here we have a project with the official Estate stamp on it, so that makes for some fans more difficult to believe the songs could indeed be fake.

I think the singing on those tracks is horrible. They make my head ache, so I would never call that a "good job" but each to their own.
 
Christ almighty - people missing the point!! No one is suggesting that McCartney brought in an impersonator. Comparing Breaking news with the First verse? Your missing the point - Listen to Keep your head up and the first verse of the Say Say Say demo - There are definite similarities. In my opinion is just brings an interesting comparison. Is it a case that MJ sounds like this without the rigorous warm ups that we know he did before recording? Its definitely MJ on the say say say demo - no one is disputing that and if they are - they are crazy. But he definitely sounds more like the disputed vocals on the Michael Album more notably Keep You Head Up and Monster. Breaking News? Don't know who that is. By the way - my wife is a trained vocal coach and daughter is a professional Music teacher who has been called a prodigy by her peers - Played the tracks for them and guess what ?? You wont like the answer.
 
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