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I get you, and I agree that the settlement changed and ruined everything. When I heard about it, it was a knife to the heart. And would you believe, after that, I never mentioned Michael to a single solitary person until 2009?
Not that I still didn't believe in him, or love him even more than ever, (actually, more and more every single day) but the hatefulness from people that would come with it just enraged me to the point where I didn't know what I would do-not that I'm in any way violent, but the anger I felt scared me-so I would just walk away if anyone talked about him.
I still think it was the reasons mjresearcher listed, though, not incompetent lawyers. Remember how badly Michael was doing taking the painkillers for his scalp to numb out the stress and anxiety he was going through-I just feel like they didn't have a choice. The courts put Michael's back against the wall.
You know, I can't disagree with that. It was the settlement rather than the allegations themselves, that destroyed everything. Eventually Including Michael himself.He did have a choice. He was ill advised and ended up paying the ultimate price. Everything he thought would be avoided by settling happened eventually and the settlement has done nothing but make everything worse for him until this very moment.
The one thing that is sticking in my head right now is the video i saw never saw it before my first time seeing it it was when he had learn about the allegations against him where Michael was saying the words to The Way You Make Me Feel and that moment he stop saying the words and you saw Michael with his head down a person was rubbing his back and right then and there i felt the pain Michael was going through. The one things that was so dear to Michael heart his love for the children was turn against him and his life was never the same.
He did have a choice. He was ill advised and ended up paying the ultimate price. Everything he thought would be avoided by settling happened eventually and the settlement has done nothing but make everything worse for him until this very moment.
barbee0715;4124690 said:You know, I can't disagree with that. It was the settlement rather than the allegations themselves, that destroyed everything. Eventually Including Michael himself.
This is really hard to talk about. I just will never get over this.
Bad7;4124589 said:The thing is if Jordan confessed tomorrow you just know the media would barely report it. So therefore the average person probably wouldn't see it.
Evan was a piece of sh1t, tbh. He was a pathetic father. The other thing hater's ignore about Evan and this supposed father who cared so much, and managed to get Jordy away from the 'abuse', is in the Dr. Gardner interview Jordy thanks his Father and deems it the greatest thing to have ever happened in his life that Evan saved him from the supposed ordeal.
“What would you say is the best thing that ever happened to you in your whole life?”
“When I told my dad what Michael was doing to me.”
“Why do you say that?”
“Because once I told him, I knew that Michael would never be able to do that to me again. And when something horrible ends, it’s most likely the best thing in your life.”
"Because I was having fun. At the time, the things Michael was doing to me, they didn't
affect me. Like, I didn't think anything was totally wrong with what he was doing since he
was my friend, and he kept on telling me that he would never hurt me. But presently I see that
he was obviously lying."
"You're saying you didn't realize it could hurt you? Is that what you're - - "
"I didn't see anything wrong with it."
"What about trust of your mother? Do you think any trust of your mother has been
affected?"
"Well, not because she, as people would say, she wanted to pimp me out. More because of
maybe, I tried to tell her one time and she didn't believe me."
"When was that? Do you remember?"
"No."
"How do you feel about that?"
"I feel that if there's any remote, itty-bitty thing in your mind that your kid may be getting
hurt, you should put an army together, you know, if there's a suspicion as strong as that, that
my Dad had carried out this far. She should have at least listened to what I had to say."
Think About it? Did you not read my posts just a few posts back, that said I think the judge/courts had Michael's back against the wall? That I felt he had NO choice?But what if MJ had lost the civil trial? Did you think about that?
the Judge was clearly biased. His decision to allow the Chandlers have a trial within just 120 days and forcing MJ
to give a deposition and on top of that letting Sneddon get access to the civil discovery was an absolute travesty of justice!
Put yourself in his shoes in Jan 1994 with everything that had happened in the preceding 5 months.
Would you believe that you could get a fair trial?
Honestly, I would have done what MJ did. It was the lesser of two evils .
He knew about the allegations before then. That is if you're meaning in the said video he'd just heard about them..
Yes i though he did not know thank for clearing that up for me. So Michael did know before this video was done right and he finally broken down.
I have a question why was the civil case allow to go before the criminal trial? That not how it work in the courts right? That i do not understand it mention that Michael want the criminal trial to go first so how was that allow Michael was not charge yet right?
They changed the law after this. I remember and the spin on it at the time was people like Michael couldn't pay off and silence their victims before the criminal trial.Respecr77 thank you so much i get the picture now i see why the civil case went before the criminal trial. California laws need to be change same thing in Wade case a lie was treat as the true because it was a 13 years old boys end of story.
Soundmind;4124633 said:Let's be realistic here. The settlement ended up causing a much bigger damage to MJ than a civil trial could have done. Nothing was more damaging to MJ at the 2005 trial more than the 1993 settlement. It was so damaging that Mez fought tooth and nail not to allow the prosecutors to mention the true figure to the jurors. It has had a detrimental effect on his finance, reputation. We should be very glad than no one but Francia thought about trying her luck in 1993 because it seems MJ’s team were on a let's settle at all costs mood.
The chandler's settlement led to Francia claims and settlement, led to Evan second extortion attempt, led to the Neverlan employees lawsuit, led to the Arvisoz nightmare, to Wade and to Safef@ck. It was the worst decision he had ever made at the very ill advice of his incompetent lawyers.
The reason MJ settled was due to the incompetency of his lawyers who for whatever reasons put him into a corner and told him eventually that the best option was to settle.
I do not know how MJ's team expected the public to react in a different way. The public reaction was nothing but normal given the heinousness of the accusations and the astronomical amount MJ paid to settle them.
So true. I am glad Michael did not back down this time around in 2003 he went to court and in 2005 a jury of his peers found Michael not guilty in the eyes of the law.
They changed the law after this. I remember and the spin on it at the time was people like Michael couldn't pay off and silence their victims before the criminal trial.
Anybody thinking it through, would realize this only works in the accused person's favor. It's the only way to make sure they get a fair trial. This is what should have been law all along.
The same people's reaction after the 2005 trial when Michael was found not guilty@
''He obviously paid himself out of it!''
Which is why they went to not one, but two civil lawyers before the lawyers told them the only way to get money now was through a criminal trial. LOL.
Correct about the media. That's what you heard everywhere. You still hear it today. Ridiculous.Sadly a lot of people don't know about that. Many people assume that the criminal trial happened first because the Arvisos wanted justice. I remember the media putting that spin on it
Sadly a lot of people don't know about that. Many people assume that the criminal trial happened first because the Arvisos wanted justice. I remember the media putting that spin on it
6. Corey Feldman and Michael Jackson once went to Disneyland in disguise. To avoid being spotted during their trip to the amusement park, Feldman wore aviator sunglasses and a faux mustache, while Jackson donned a fake nose (!), sunglasses, and “a giant afro.” The close friends stayed for the entire evening without being recognized. They got a last-minute room to stay overnight, and when Jackson realized the room contained only one bed, he ordered a cot for himself and insisted Feldman take the bed. Throughout the book, as he has previously, Feldman maintains that Jackson never acted inappropriately toward him nor, to his knowledge, other children. “He was adamantly against drugs and alcohol, he was extremely straight-laced; I couldn’t even swear around him,” he writes. “Being with Michael brought me back to my innocence.”
Corey did say that about a book about venereal diseases. Supposedly it was a book that he saw on MJ's table and when MJ realized he saw it he explained to him what it was. That was it. How does that become "MJ showing him porn"? Where is the "porn"? LOL. Since when is a book with disgusting venereal diseases "porn"? Let alone with the intent to groom a boy? These haters, in their desperation make everything "porn". Probably even the David statue is "porn" to them, especially if they could link it somehow to MJ and children. LOL.
Corey did say he did not think anything of it at the time, so obviously nothing untoward happened. When pedophiles show porn to their victims it's with the intent of make them more comfortable with sexuality and to arouse them before a sexual act. How does a book with venereal diseases serve any of that purposes? It's disgusting, not desirable. If anything, it turns you off, not on. It's ludicrous to think such a book would make sex desirable to anyone. And if it was with the intent of grooming him, how come it wasn't followed up with any action? Or more grooming with porn (I mean real porn, LOL)? He just discussed a book about venereal diseases that he saw on his table and that in itself is supposed to prove something? LOL. It doesn't, but these are the kind of things that haters have to cling on which just shows how desperate their situation is when they try to "prove" MJ's "guilt".
"The book contained pictures of grown men and women naked," Feldman tells 20/20. "And the book focused on venereal diseases and the genitalia."
Feldman, who was then about 13, said Jackson sat down and leafed through the book with him.
"I was kind of grossed out by it. I didn't think of it as a big deal. And for all these years, I probably never thought twice about it," Feldman says on the ABC newsmagazine. "But in light of recent evidence...I have to say that if my son was 14 years old, 13 years old, and went to a man's apartment that was 35, and I knew that they were sitting down together talking about this, I would probably beat his ass."
http://www.eonline.com/news/49222/corey-feldman-s-michael-memories
Thanks. Exactly when and where did he talk about that?
Do you have a link to a video or interview in print?
Didn't you read the article that you linked in? The answer is in that.
Is this Corey thingy brought up now because Demon is stirring s..t again on her twitter?
Is this Corey thingy brought up now because Demon is stirring s..t again on her twitter?
My advice would be that just re-tweet Jake Tappers tweet to Demon
Jake Tapper ?@jaketapper Jun 22
@DiDimond I don't need lectures on journalism from someone tweeting falsehoods and calling them facts. You're embarrassing yourself. Stop.
Btw, it still makes me lol because as much Demon likes to call herself journalists, but she and her work is joke for real journalists
She is seriously mentally ill person, and have sick obsession over MJ.