[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Just to add arvizo scum was handed the adult mags on the stand during the grand jury. Put his prints all over then.

All this is doing is retrying mj ten years on and for those to young to remember or to those that didnt care then its reinforcibg his guilt. Expect this to go on and on until all those involved including journos are dead.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ All this digging and scrutiny by authorities and the media for over 20 years and still the only thing they can come up with is manipulation like this and alleged "victims" who were all caught in lies and have a monetary motive. It all should give a clue to people about how "strong" this case really was. If MJ had been a child molester we would have real evidence against him by now with all the scrutiny, digging by authortities, media and others - after all the house searches, FBI scrutiny, Sneddon being obsessed with "catching" him etc.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If you see a negative article don't click on, it it will only push it further up the google (or whatever search engine you use) news page.
I actually think it would be a good idea to purposefully click on positive articles so they can be seen first.
 
Taj Jackson

A well-timed and planned out smear campaign targeting my uncle’s name. This is cyber bullying at it’s finest. The eagerness and willingness of world media outlets to copy and paste a headline and story from a click bait gossip blog is irresponsible and shameful. No one wishes this done to them, so why is it ok to do this to us?

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1soqnn0
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Its all about US.
 
Re: Why is all this bad stuff coming out about MJ again ?

What annoys me is the mainstream media has picked it up as gospel truth, our newspaper the NZ herald is a gossip soaked tabloid rag anyway has plastered it like its gospel truth and even images from the books, featuring bizarre images of little children and one with three boys running around semi naked. They are on the prince.org too and the same amount of outrage is there.

Even if these items were found at Neverland, they could have been planted by staff members, police, the Advisos or whoever. There's no evidence Michael Jackson owned these books. Neverland is very isolated and its possible staff members lived on the ranch for weeks on end.

The people who made up these allegations are called radar online and the NZ herald article was borrowed from the English gutter tabloid - Daily Mail, the same paper that showed a grossly distorted picture of MJ in 1992 and he sued them over it. Just hot lipped gossipers, gossipinas and celebrity gossipsmiths (So called celebrity columnists and insiders, you see on those Behind the Music type programmes, but are completely unknown in real life) with nothing better to do than attack an innocent dead man. I hope MJ's ghost comes back and moowalks up and down their butt.

At the same time,the NZ Herald was quick to break Prince's death, the rumours he was a drug addict had aids, 700 love children and the guy who rapped about killing him and claiming he was his son. Of course when his death was found out to be an accidental overdose of painkiller, they had an article saying "Prince joins other junkies in celebrity drug deaths", it listed Princes death and then Michael Jacksons.

The media are slime and should never be trusted. Half of what you read is lies and the other half is s..t.

If you want information that you can use against these people please read the Wade Robson thread. We are discussing it there.
 
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If you see a negative article don't click on, it it will only push it further up the google (or whatever search engine you use) news page.
I actually think it would be a good idea to purposefully click on positive articles so they can be seen first.

No MJ fans should fall any clickbait articles as MJ is the one who pays the price of our own stupidity.
I got really curious as why this story got wings all over the media and realised that it really did generated advertising money to any media outlet who run with the story.

"Clickbait is a pejorative term describing web content that is aimed at generating online advertising revenue, especially at the expense of quality or accuracy, relying on sensationalist headlines or eye-catching thumbnail pictures to attract click-throughs and to encourage forwarding of the material over online social networks. Clickbait headlines typically aim to exploit the "curiosity gap", providing just enough information to make the reader curious, but not enough to satisfy their curiosity without clicking through to the linked content"

Let me say this first that I have not clicked any articles other than that the ones who provided estate's statement.
I copied these headlines from google without opening the links:
Michael Jackson stockpiled torture porn with animals and children, police report reveals
Inside Michael Jackson's sick porn collection after home is raided: Shocking moment 'naked pictures, chilling dolls ...
Michael Jackson 'stashed pictures of animal torture and nude children' inside locked closet at Neverland Resort
Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch was as creepy as you'd imagine
Michael Jackson's twisted pornography collection and young male erotica pictured
As Michael Jackson's home is raided for sick porn, the troubled star's darkest moments
Watch as Michael Jackson's home is raided by police: Shocking moment 'naked pictures, chilling dolls and more ...
Sheriff Questions MJ Child-Porn Docs
Paris Jackson Defends Late Dad Michael Against “Predator” Allegations
Break The Door Down! Cops Serve Warrant To Michael Jackson's Staff In Epic Raid
Stockpiles of violent child porn found at Michael Jackson estate, documents show
Images of 'child nudity' found in Michael Jackson's 'sex closet'
Michael Jackson Stockpiled Underage, Violent Pornography on Neverland Ranch, Report Shows
Michael Jackson Stockpiled Nude Images of Children, According to Police Report
Michael Jackson had 'explicit' photos of 'naked boys', 'child torture' and 'animal sacrifice'
Michael Jackson's Porn Stash Is ****ing Horrifying
Michael Jackson's secret kiddie porn collection exposed: 'Child torture and bondage'
Michael Jackson held images of child porn, animal torture and 'undressed' 3T at Neverland ranch
Michael Jackson's porn stash revealed to public–and what was found is just creepy
'Disturbed' ***** 'Cried' During Police Raid, Former Attorney Reveals
(my note, MJ wasn't @NL during the raid, so how former attorney would know whether MJ cried or not is beyond me)
Michael Jackson's Sick Secret Sex Collection at Neverland House of Horrors Revealed
Was Michael Jackson a pedophile? 'Proof' emerges from police reports

Usually these article have the worts photo of MJ attached to their "articles" which increased some peoples curiosity.

Enough of samples but you get the picture of clickbait?


An interesting article about how readers are fooled by clickbaits:
You’ll Be Outraged at How Easy It Was to Get You to Click on This Headline
THIS ARTICLE WILL not restore your faith in humanity. Nor will it amaze, stun, delight, shock, charm, or in any literal or figurative way, blow your mind. What it will do—hopefully in a clear and intelligent way—is explain why people continually fall for clickbait. You know, like you just did a few seconds ago.

Whether you think it’s on the rise, obscurant and self-negating, not such a big deal, or the root of all evil, one thing is clear about clickbait: It’s increasingly hard to pin down. Some, like Buzzfeed’s Ben Smith, narrowly define it as an article that doesn’t deliver on its headline’s promise. Others think it means vapid listicles, quizzes, and Betteridge’s Law headlines. And then there are those who simply use it as shorthand for stuff they don’t like on the Internet.

Here’s what most people can agree on: Clickbait is annoying, but by god, it works—even when readers recognize it for what it is. The word’s substantial semantic drift may be behind some of this effectiveness. But a hefty helping of behavioral science is at play, too. As a number of new studies confirm, you can blame your clickbait habit on two things: the outsized role emotion plays in your intuitive judgements and daily choices, and your lazy brain.

Manufacturing Emotion
Clickbait doesn’t just happen on its own. Editors write headlines in an effort to manipulate you—or at least grab your attention—and always have. “Headless Body In Topless Bar,” and “Sticks Nix Hick Pix” wouldn’t exist if publications didn’t care about attracting eyeballs. The difference with clickbait is you’re often aware of this manipulation, and yet helpless to resist it. It’s at once obvious in its bait-iness, and somehow still effective bait.

This has a lot to do with emotion and the role it plays in our daily decision-making processes, says Jonah Berger, who studies social influence and contagion at the University of Pennsylvania. Emotional arousal, or the degree of physical response you have to an emotion, is a key ingredient in clicking behaviors. Sadness and anger, for example, are negative emotions, but anger is much more potent. “It drives us, fires us up, and compels us to take action,” Berger says. If you’ve ever found yourself falling for outrage clickbait or spent time hate-reading and hate-watching something, you know what Berger is talking about. “Anger, anxiety, humor, excitement, inspiration, surprise—all of these are punchy emotions that clickbait headlines rely on,” he says.

Rest of the article here:
http://www.wired.com/2015/12/psychology-of-clickbait/

If we are being fooled by media by falling clickbait, lets ****ing fall to positive articles and click them, share them, re-tweet them.
Any positive articles of MJ coming anniversary deserves to be clicked the hell out of it so that site does not know what hit them.

I'm seriously sick and tired of this ****ery that Michael still has to face, and we keep blaming every other people, media and estate for this and that, but unfortunately we have to look the man in the mirror as how our own actions supports this ****ery even further.

Rant over.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Omg now they implying paris was molested by mj???!!!! ???OH HELLLLLLLLL NAWWE
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Celebrity support.






Peabo Bryson Verified account ?@PeaboBryson2

Peabo Bryson Retweeted Michael Jackson ?
Being born in America, doesn't mean you're born equal. Minorities are held to a lesser standard of law and justice.

Peabo Bryson added,

And he retweeted this tweet:

Michael Jackson ? ?@MJJLegion
Michael Jackson NEVER possessed any child pornography or illegal materials. Tabloids reporting otherwise are FALSE.





Corey Feldman ?@Corey_Feldman Jun 21 @heapsajo SO LEAVE IT ALONE! The man is dead, I wrote my book, & the real bad guys R ALIIVE & OUT THERE!



Corey has a point. He actually told the name of his abuser to police. It's on police record. If that guy is still alive he probably still abuses, so why aren't people concerned with people like?
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I would have loved to see more celebrity support and questions of media tactics, because someday they could be target and in receiving end of this kind of media treatment.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Real celebs dont want to upset them
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Most celebrities keep quiet about this sort if thing, because they're scared that the media will turn on them if they stand up for MJ.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Omg now they implying paris was molested by mj???!!!! 😠😠😤OH HELLLLLLLLL NAWWE

It was only a matter of time before they went there, imo. The nerve of these so-called journalists...
 
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Omg now they implying paris was molested by mj???!!!! 😠😠😤OH HELLLLLLLLL NAWWE

They target someone who suffers with depression and tried to take her own life a few years ago. Stay classy media, stay classy
 
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They target someone who suffers with depression and tried to take her own life a few years ago. Stay classy media, stay classy

Lol they so "classy" arent they smh
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Oh guys check this letter from mj estate Check out @MJVindication's Tweet: https://twitter.com/MJVindication/status/745779647082860544?s=09

Pretty much blaming us fans SMH

I don't see anything where they blame fans, other than the last bit that advertisers don't care if MJ fans are angry as long as they are clicking on the articles, which states the fact.
They also say:
"The only thing that will be effective is to deprive the publishers of their advertising dollars"

True, but having said that we cannot let things slide, as there are other means to hit back other than clinking their crappy articles.
Send your facts directly to the media outlet who publishes this crap, maybe few have enough decency to fact check and publish proper article as few have done recently.

I know we fans are angry and frustrated to see this happen again, as it was like all of sudden we were thrown to ice cold water.
It is not the first time and it won't be last. Maybe we have forgotten all the crappy stories posted since Michael's passing, similar to this and spread like wildfire on the media, but in the end, Michael is still loved. They cannot break his fans and their support. The details that came out from 93 didn't do it, or 2005 didn't do it, or Murray trial didn't do it, or AEG trial didn't do it, and this one won't do it either.



They target someone who suffers with depression and tried to take her own life a few years ago. Stay classy media, stay classy

They don't care if they drive Paris to a another meltdown, as they get another crappy story to sell gullible people.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

They also saying the estate should not have to put out a statement!

I mean really do u mot read the first parts of that letter!?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

With so many fans here from all over world this would be a perfect time for some to go to the courthouse and let Wade and James and their lawyers know enough is enough it is time to end this you will not drag Michael name through the mud again.

I wish i could have been in La this weekend



In Our Darkest Hour
In My Deepest Despair
Will You Still Care?
Will You Be There?
In My Trials
And My Tribulations
Through Our Doubts
And Frustrations
In My Violence
In My Turbulence
Through My Fear
And My Confessions
In My Anguish And My Pain
Through My Joy And My Sorrow
In The Promise Of Another Tomorrow
I'll Never Let You Part
For You're Always In My Heart.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes I did, and they are not saying that the estate shouldn't have sent that statement. They are saying that it doesn't help but generate more attention to story.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Another story this is just to unreal they are really out to get Michael like it was mention this was plan and Wade and James want it to happen right around Michael 7 year anniversary.
 
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About 12 hours ago, the most prominent newspaper in my country The New Zealand Herald posted an article on Facebook about how Paris responded to the new claims. I just went back to it to see the comments and thankfully they're not as bad as I thought they'd be. In fact people are actually using their brains! These are a number of the most liked/prominent:

When you mess with the music industry, they can blame you for things you never did. I've read quite a bit on this and all I can say is don't be too fast to judge. And don't be a sheep

I don't believe it. If it was the case then he would have been convicted. Blatant evidence like that would convict a person regardless of their stardom. It's a load of bollocks. Let him rest in peace.

Tabloid trash. If any of this was true or any real basis it would have come out years ago. His money is still helping charities long after he passed. Why don't you report on that instead of fabricated sensationalised stories.

Very sad how far people will go to rip a man family apart even after he is dead

Why is this coming up now, he was cleared in 2005... Let's move on and not smear the King of Pop any more the people doing this need to be charged with Defamation... Let MICHAEL Rest in Peace and move on.... This makes me angry....

I'm glad someone is speaking up for Michael, he was acquitted over those charges and now he's not here to defend himself. It's obscene the way people have exploited him.

Hopefully more people will think along these lines, ESPECIALLY the second and third comments I pasted here.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Oh guys check this letter from mj estate Check out @MJVindication's Tweet: https://twitter.com/MJVindication/status/745779647082860544?s=09

Pretty much blaming us fans SMH

I am very, very disappointed in the Estate when it comes to responding to such things regarding the allegations. Very disappointed! I am sorry, but these lame e-mails about how fans should ignore it are just not enough. This had nothing to do with fans clicking on an article. Even if no fan whatsoever had done so it would have spread just as quickly. There are articles and situations when it is right to say that fans giving attention to an article only helps to popularize it but this was not that situation. This was clearly a planned and orchestrated effort, probably by Robson's legal team.

Can you believe that Ron Zonen did more to clear this mess up than MJ's own Estate? All the Estate said in defense of him was "he was acquitted". Thing is people don't care about that when there is so much misinformation out there and they think the jury has never seen this "new, bombshell evidence". They should have done what Zonen did, to clarify what it really is, where it comes from, that the jury did see it, they should have said loud and clear there was no child porn and nothing illegal.

I am actually disgusted by the Estate right now, to be honest. They get millions of dollars and they are this lazy? If they can't do this job themselves hire someone who can. But this is not the first time when they behave this passively in situations like this and their passivity very clearly was never the solution. I am not anti-Estate at all but in this case fans very much have a good reason to be furious with them.
 
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^100% agree.
 
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Look, I get the Estate's point and for most cases I even agree with them, but surely there has to be some point where the Estate will step in and say enough is enough???

IMO this has definitely gone past that point. This honestly has to be by far the biggest media attack on Michael in years... I'd say its even worse than when Wade first accused Michael in 2013 (at least from my POV). Last time I was this outraged was when they plastered Michael's lifeless body over the damn headlines!!!
 
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I agree...The Estate should be looking after his legacy and that includes his reputation.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Look, I get the Estate's point and for most cases I even agree with them, but surely there has to be some point where the Estate will step in and say enough is enough???

IMO this has definitely gone past that point. This honestly has to be by far the biggest media attack on Michael in years... I'd say its even worse than when Wade first accused Michael in 2013 (at least from my POV). Last time I was this outraged was when they plastered Michael's lifeless body over the damn headlines!!!

It is worse as I never would have known of the Robson allegations had it not been for this forum! They never got any traction anywhere in the UK media (amazingly!), but this I have seen and even I was way-layed by them and understood it to be 'new' evidence.
 
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I agree...The Estate should be looking after his legacy and that includes his reputation.
Couldn't agree more. Going back to Motown, the Jacksons were role models and Michael felt that quite seriously. His reputation and character were vitally important to him.
The execs can't be experts in all things but they do need to hire a good PR firm. The good stuff (not just his music) needs to be spread around and get back in the public consciousness.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Look, I get the Estate's point and for most cases I even agree with them, but surely there has to be some point where the Estate will step in and say enough is enough???

IMO this has definitely gone past that point. This honestly has to be by far the biggest media attack on Michael in years... I'd say its even worse than when Wade first accused Michael in 2013 (at least from my POV). Last time I was this outraged was when they plastered Michael's lifeless body over the damn headlines!!!

I think its the case of that we don't remember past media attacks because they are not fresh in our memory like this case now.
Hush money article got the wings in the media and we were talking and thinking exactly the same back then as we do now, like many after or before.
We screamed the estate to make it stop because we don't want to read that kind of articles of MJ and at the same time participating the lynch with our actions.

Did the estate's statement help then or Taj's complaint? No, it didn't. Do media think twice as whether to post salacious article of Michael? No. Did it made more people to hate MJ - possibly or maybe not. Did anything changed at all after that media attack, no. Media loves or hates MJ depend only how much of clicks they get.
Did Zonen clarification make people to hate Michael less or believe it is bs story? I dare to say no, but it made us to feel better, but I don't think it had any effect on people who wants to believe bs.

Another train of thought, I was thinking that surely the estate knows where this bs coming from and why, but they cannot say anything because it would attract attention to Wade's side, and generate more attention to where its not welcomed.

Overall we are fans and our heart hurts to see Michael slaughtered in the media, but Michael himself rarely addressed media or tabloid tales other than making another song of them and telling us to burn the tabloids.

I must admit that the estate team response was rather cold, but then again they are not fans and don't feel like us.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I have to agree with Respect77 she is right the fans are upset i am one of those fans who are upset ppls believe they are hearing new information and that is not true and it is hard to ingnore. If the Esdtae can just say this is not new information so do not believe it that sound better i also really believe this was plan by Wade and his lawyers because there was no proof in the beginning so now they had to spread this lies with the help of RO and it is not fair.
 
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