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Estate, Cascio and Porte Sued Over Three Songs on the "Michael" Album - Vera Senova Class Action

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How do I not remember him? I was on the KOP board too. Maybe we just never crossed paths or something.
 
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He got banned i believe? Back in the day it took a lot to get banned from kop ?
 
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dam2040 said:
He's still at it on Twitter claiming Michael destroyed his face, his fans are 'crazy' for suggesting otherwise and damaging MJs reputation and that the tip of Michael's was fake and a prosthetic, even claiming it was a different colour. The guy is an obnoxious dick and I can't stand him.

He makes Damien and co. look a lot worse because he is affiliated with them.
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I completely agree and thank you for teaching younger fans about Charles Thomson.

OnirMJ said:
F.U.C.K. Charles Thompson. He is a moron. Move on.

On the other hand Damien is a hero no matter what the corporate judges say.
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Damien is not objective and puts his own twist on this case, as does Charles Thomson.
They are linked together and they reflect poorly on each other.

dam2040 said:
You can be critical but you can also outright hate on someone. Saying they have a prosthetic nose is a vile thing to say, even worse when you try and back it up.
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YES.
 
Re: Estate, Cascio and Porte Sued Over Three Songs on the "Michael" Album - Vera Senova Class Action

Administration Announcement:

Please keep the topic of this thread in mind, when commenting and let's all steer back to the class action case itself. Thank you.
 
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Back to the topic of the thread. Hello, I've just drunk some coffee.
 
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ChrisC said:
I saw that on Twitter.

How encouraged should we be at this point?
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Honestly I wouldn't get your hopes up imo, the decision will most likely be the same as it was last time.
 
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SmoothGangsta said:
Honestly I wouldn't get your hopes up imo, the decision will most likely be the same as it was last time.
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The Supreme Court already took the case?
 
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They did? when?
 
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The case isn't heard by the Supreme Court at all. The Supreme Court will review the appeal court's ruling. It will then transfer back the case to the Californian court. That's it.

It wouldn't surprise me if Shields & Co. don't understand this procedure, there's also nothing for any precedence because the law and thus consumer rights have not been undermined. It's Shields & Co. not understanding the ruling at all. For a precedence you need proof, there's none because there hasn't even been a trial. There was no ruling that would suddenly allow art forgery which is not legal in the US in general and also in California. Shields has been talking a lot of nonsense lately which only shows his lack of legal expertise, thus not being able to follow the developments of this case and providing severly wrong information to his readers.
 
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Korgnex said:
The case isn't heard by the Supreme Court at all. The Supreme Court will review the appeal court's ruling. It will then transfer back the case to the Californian court. That's it.

It wouldn't surprise me if Shields & Co. don't understand this procedure, there's also nothing for any precedence because the law and thus consumer rights have not been undermined. It's Shields & Co. not understanding the ruling at all. For a precedence you need proof, there's none because there hasn't even been a trial. There was no ruling that would suddenly allow art forgery which is not legal in the US in general and also in California. Shields has been talking a lot of nonsense lately which only shows his lack of legal expertise, thus not being able to follow the developments of this case and providing severly wrong information to his readers.
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Broken record.
 
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Korgnex said:
The case isn't heard by the Supreme Court at all. The Supreme Court will review the appeal court's ruling. It will then transfer back the case to the Californian court. That's it.

It wouldn't surprise me if Shields & Co. don't understand this procedure, there's also nothing for any precedence because the law and thus consumer rights have not been undermined. It's Shields & Co. not understanding the ruling at all. For a precedence you need proof, there's none because there hasn't even been a trial. There was no ruling that would suddenly allow art forgery which is not legal in the US in general and also in California. Shields has been talking a lot of nonsense lately which only shows his lack of legal expertise, thus not being able to follow the developments of this case and providing severly wrong information to his readers.
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Ok, we know it already. You love these fake songs and you believe they are Michael Jackson. It's not necessary to undermine this great achievement!
 
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It's just a matter of time until jason malachi himself tells the truth xD
 
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OnirMJ said:
Ok, we know it already. You love these fake songs and you believe they are Michael Jackson. It's not necessary to undermine this great achievement!
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I mean, I'm gonna get flack for saying this but how is this a great achievement, all it is saying is that they'll consider it again, and most likely reach the same decision. Damien really needs to start understanding what's actually happening instead of hyping people up.
 
StellaJackson;4229258 said:
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Faking Michael is an investigative podcast series detailing the 8-year quest for the truth about a collection of 12 allegedly-fake Michael Jackson songs. The songs, known as the Cascio tracks, were sold to Sony by Jackson’s longtime friend, music producer Eddie Cascio, and his collaborative partner, James Porte, in mid 2010 — a year after the singer’s sudden death. Upon hearing them, members of the Jackson family, a number of producers who worked with Michael throughout his career, and thousands of fans around the world accused Cascio and Porte of fraud, insisting that the songs were fakes — sung not by Jackson, but by an impersonator. Undeterred by the controversy, Jackson’s estate and record label insisted the vocals were authentic, officially attributing the Cascio tracks to the King of Pop when three of them were released by Epic Records on the Michael album in December 2010. But strong doubts regarding the authenticity of the tracks remain.


https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/faking-michael/id1434372710?mt=2&i=1000418631848
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so nothing happened?
 
"Whether or not these are Michael Jacksons vocals is irrelevant, if its non-commercial speak we win, its over" - Michael Jackson Estate Lawyer. This is such a disgrace and its unbelievable this is allowed to go on so many levels. Absolute madness.
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Sony wins Fake Michael Jackson Recording Claims for Second Time.

"For a second time, Sony Music beat claims in California state court that it deceived customers about whether some tracks on a posthumous Michael Jackson album were sung by Jackson.

The Court of Appeal of California affirmed Jan. 8 that Sony’s statements were still protected under state law following a relevant California Supreme Court opinion published after its initial ruling.

Vera Serova, the Michael Jackson Fan that took the Estate & Sony to court over the 3 fake songs [“Breaking News”, “Monster” & “Keep your Head Up”] has again lost her appeal to prove wrong doing from Sony Music in the promotion of the album “Michael” released in 2010.

Sony, the Estate of Michael J. Jackson, and MJJ Productions appealed from the superior court’s order partially denying their motion to strike under the anti-SLAPP statute. Plaintiff alleged that defendants marketed a posthumous Michael Jackson album in violation of the Unfair Competition Law (UCL) and the Consumers Legal Remedies Act (CLRA). Plaintiff also brought a fraud claim against the Cascio Defendants, alleging that they knowingly misrepresented to defendants that Jackson was the lead singer on the three tracks at issue.

Upon reconsideration in light of FilmOn.com Inc. v. Double Verify Inc. (2019) 7 Cal.5th 133, the Court of Appeal held that its prior opinion was correct. In the prior opinion, the court held that plaintiff’s claims against defendants arose from conduct furthering defendants’ right of free speech in connection with a public issue, and that plaintiff did not show a probability that her claims under the UCL and the CLRA would succeed because the claims concern noncommercial speech that is not actionable under those statutes.

The court largely adopted the prior opinion, except that it revised the discussion of the first step of the anti-SLAPP procedure to take into account the FilmOn decision and its application to the circumstances of this case. The court held that defendants’ challenged statements were sufficiently connected to an issue of public interest to warrant anti-SLAPP protection. In this case, the representations that plaintiff challenged did not simply promote sale of the album, but also stated a position on a disputed issue of public interest."
 
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Well this is crazy. the songs are clearly fake. those songs really need to be removed. it's been almost 10 years since this album been release and they still haven't been remove? how the heck did they win? what up with Michael estate? ugh. it's sad this stuff still going on and Michael isn't even here anymore. it's like everybody screwing Michael over. ugh.

all they need to do is to remove the fake songs and move on with our lives. why is that so hard? ugh.
 
It’s not over yet. :)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Our second petition for review is granted by the California Supreme Court. Which means Sony Music and the Jackson estate are NOT dismissed from the Cascio songs case. <a href="https://t.co/b6Cb17Ifee">pic.twitter.com/b6Cb17Ifee</a></p>&mdash; morinen (@MorinenMJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/MorinenMJ/status/1253089874866876417?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Just for the record, I&#8217;m not one of the anti-estate people, but in this case they clearly made a huge mistake and they need to own up to it. While it may eventually turn out that it was legal what they did, it is in no way legitimate.
 
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I'm not really anti-estate they just need to stop the things they do and do their jobs.
 
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Is there anything besides testimony that shows it's not Michael in the recordings?
 
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Clearly it's isn't Michael. i don't understand why this still going on.
 
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SoCav said:
Forensic audiologist Dr. George Papcun did an analysis and concluded it is not Michael.

See: http://www.damienshields.com/exclusive-forensic-report-concludes-fake-mj-songs-released/
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Weren't there other forensic audiologist analyses that concluded that it is Michael?
I haven't thought about this for a really long time, but I vaguely remember that being stated in articles.
 
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Mikky Dee said:
Weren't there other forensic audiologist analyses that concluded that it is Michael?
I haven't thought about this for a really long time, but I vaguely remember that being stated in articles.
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When Breaking News was streamed and fans were outraged, the Estate claimed they had hired forensic experts, one of whom they say concluded it was Michael. However, they never told us who these experts were, nor were we given any information about their reports. In other words, who knows if it's even true - we certainly cannot verify it ourselves.

In contrast, we do have access to Papcun's entire report, and can check his resume. Papcun also says the various methods he used as part of his analysis are much more detailed and accurate than a waveform analysis (which the Estate says their expert conducted).
 
SoCav;4287947 said:
In contrast, we do have access to Papcun's entire report, and can check his resume. Papcun also says the various methods he used as part of his analysis are much more detailed and accurate than a waveform analysis (which the Estate says their expert conducted).
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Yup, there&#8217;s Papcun&#8217;s full report as PDF for everyone to download and read. It&#8217;s actually quite interesting to read. It gives some very technical insight into MJ&#8217;s singing. I hadn&#8217;t seen this before, so thanks for linking it here. :)
 
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^And into Jason Malachi's ;)
 
I just noticed we have Vera&#8217;s name wrong in the thread title. It&#8217;s &#8220;Serova&#8221;, according to the court files. Can someone fix this? :)
 
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SoCav said:
^And into Jason Malachi's ;)
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Is there any real evidence tying this guy in besides "he sounds similar" and some cryptic social media behaviour?
 
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