Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[ILoveHIStory]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Off topic, but, Have you seen this movie?: HOAXED - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8991264/

 

[StaceyMJ]

Don't worry, it's not your fault. You don't have to be sorry for asking simple questions. The admin just don't allow discussion and contradiction on this thread. They only want people who don't question MJ's innocence and who want to fight for him. I think there should be a specific topic for that, but I guess they estimate this is the normal behaviour to have when you are a "real fan".



Lovepeace, if you want to have a more healthy discussion, try here :

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/142416-Doubts

And what’s your point? This is a Michael Jackson fan forum - feel free to move on if you don’t fit the bill.

EDIT: after seeing your posts on this all over the place I really don’t think this place is for you. Thanks but no thanks.

Moving on...

 

[PoP]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Off topic, but, Have you seen this movie?: HOAXED - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8991264/

Nope. But I like to give a whirl at this.

 

[FD1998]

Robson and Safechuck are still scumbags, but the lyric in D.S is interesting. Something like, “Is he sending to letters to the FBI? Does he say to either do it or die?”

We’ve had worse documentaries than this, no one will listen, just look at the amount of people defending him on Facebook articles. Just type in Michael Jackson on Facebook and you will see that no one is listening to the The Sun or The Daily Mail, bar a few morons

 

[ILoveHIStory]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

oh... and the porn interview is on https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9573980/?ref_=ttfc_fc_tt

Full cast:

Michael Jackson ... Himself (archive footage)
Wade Robson ... Himself
Jimmy Safechuck ... Himself

what an investigative factual.... whatever.... made by two people about dead one

 

[SmoothGangsta]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

oh... and the porn interview is on https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9573980/?ref_=ttfc_fc_tt

Full cast:


what an investigative factual.... whatever.... made by two people about dead one

The only trivia on the page is the estate saying it's a pile of crap hahaha.

 

[KOPV]

Robson and Safechuck are still scumbags, but the lyric in D.S is interesting. Something like, “Is he sending to letters to the FBI? Does he say to either do it or die?”

We’ve had worse documentaries than this, no one will listen, just look at the amount of people defending him on Facebook articles. Just type in Michael Jackson on Facebook and you will see that no one is listening to the The Sun or The Daily Mail, bar a few morons

what documentary is worse than this? I've seen some bad ones but this actually has accusers stating things instead of fake @$$ journalists claiming.. That's a very different thing, and there are claims in here of things he was never accused of. They get disgusting with description. it's not just "Supplying wine" and "rubbing" in this documentary.



I love the IMDB cast list though, looks like a lot of investigation, referencing, and looking into... NOT! straight story telling, oh and that interview with Dan Reed, sitting there for 5 minutes explaining how to make a story 'believable' and so on. It's the closest thing to a confession of making up a story.. He explains how to build the story, capture the emotion of the audience, and make it believable.. You know who does that? fiction writers and liars!

 

[ILoveHIStory]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> coverage has descended into absurdity. Facts and credibility be damned. Part of the embittered &quot;Neverland 5&quot; staff, this maid's testimony and reliability was cut to shreds at 2005 trial. She even admitted lying &quot;the whole time&quot; in a '93 sworn <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJ?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJ</a> deposition. <a href="https://t.co/uWttj6mZdi">https://t.co/uWttj6mZdi</a></p>&mdash; Steve Dennis (@SteveDennis71) <a href="https://twitter.com/SteveDennis71/status/1093599658599825408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7. februára 2019</a></blockquote>
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+

many new tweets by - https://twitter.com/andjustice4some about HBO!!!!

The excellent job!!!

 

[Mikky Dee]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

There seems to be some off topic discussion in this thread, dredging up the past trials and tribulations of Michael Jackson, rather than focusing on Wade Robson/James Safechuck and their "documentary". PLEASE stick to the topic with regard to what is currently going on, surrounding "Leaving Neverland" and the ensuing fallout, otherwise we shall be forced to move the thread into the Trials and Tribulations part of the forum.

I would urge ALL members who are not familiar with the history of allegations against Michael to refer to the many other threads that are here, in our archives, for research purposes....rather than bogging down this discussion with misplaced questions. Thank you all, for participating in the discussion and please continue to do so, if you wish.

 

[Mikky Dee]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

I always thought the rule of thumb regarding tabloids here, was the first person who posted it would copy and paste the article. That way the rest of us could read what was being said and we didn't have to click on the tab and give them any business.
If somebody tweets the tabloid article, we could post that and so much the better.

This is still the case.

 

[Zeus7]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> coverage has descended into absurdity. Facts and credibility be damned. Part of the embittered "Neverland 5" staff, this maid's testimony and reliability was cut to shreds at 2005 trial. She even admitted lying "the whole time" in a '93 sworn <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJ</a> deposition. <a href="https://t.co/uWttj6mZdi">https://t.co/uWttj6mZdi</a></p>&#8212; Steve Dennis (@SteveDennis71) <a href="https://twitter.com/SteveDennis71/status/1093599658599825408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7. februára 2019</a></blockquote>
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The press is actually grotesque, I have never EVER seen anyone gone after the way they do for Michael, the headlines and stories are actually so extreme they're making themselves look unbelievable

The lyrics to Unbreakable make so much sense

 

[ILoveHIStory]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This woman was a nut who sued Evan Chandler for sexual assault but her &quot;remembering after therapy&quot; sounds familiar &#55358;&#56596; <a href="https://t.co/neDkJS7deP">pic.twitter.com/neDkJS7deP</a></p>&mdash; Tia (@tinklove05) <a href="https://twitter.com/tinklove05/status/1093308422811017217?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7. februára 2019</a></blockquote>
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... too many people involved in sexual accusations around MJ....

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

I think there is always much racism and other things involved when it comes to MJ.
This was always very reconizable in the accusations supported very extreme since 1993 from a white media and here it will also have a role but its is much more hidden.
Hateful racists wanna dispossess the black king and also damage the actual most sucessful music family as much as possible.
It whould be interesting to know if dan reed or Wade/James have a racist background.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

I just read the documents. First of all, as I said, we did not go to trial, or to a civil trial or a criminal trial. in the documents it states that an agreement was reached before the civil trial began, in the previous mediations.
and I am saying the same as you, that the agreement as I said was made before anything else, and also was done before getting to develop the civil trial .

In the other hand the father of chander wasnt interested in going to criminal trial (because he wanted his money), And michael wasnt interested in going to civil trial (because in a civil trial it is easier to blame someone for something because the evidence is accepted more easily than in criminal trials that are harder pass more filters for everything, ie a civil trial based on few evidences can make someone guilty, while a criminal trial needs much more to make someone guilty, and also if someone is made guilty in a civil trial, then it is easier legally to be guilty in a criminal trial because this is how it works legally), therefore in the pre-civil trial before the civil trial was developed, a monetary agreement was reached between the two.

On the other hand, when It says that two grand juries rejected the case, I have already read it, and it was not that they went to trial as some of them seem to indicate, but they did not admit the prosecutor's demands and they were dismissed because there was no accusation since they were chandler signed the agreement refused to submit any criminal complaint.
that is, it is logical that it be rejected because there was no accusation of any presumed victim.
the accusation was made by the agreement by the prosecutor, and he presents the records of his house( oficina michael ) and other things but without accusation from anyone.

finally I read the agreement of chandler and michael, in the puts that jordan chandler, his family and his successors if they accept the agreement can not file any civil lawsuit against michael or against his successors or companies ever again, he cant participate as a collaborator in other civil lawsuits of other people, he cant to mention michael in forums, television, magazines, or with investigators, or participate in anything that involves talking about michael about the accusations or about his case with the risk of leaving the monetary agreement null and at the risk that face civil arbitration for breaking confidentiality.
This is probably the reason that Jordan chandler never Will talk about this.

Rather odd how the US system works that way. So Chandler couldn't talk about MJ at all anymore if he agreed to that settlement, yet he was still allowed if he wanted to, to try and get a criminal trial? It sucks that most of the media never report on the actual facts. Always calling it hush money and what not, when that's not the case at all and there's much more to it.

 

[Lightbringer]

How awesome is this?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 1<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/bjJawWCRD1">pic.twitter.com/bjJawWCRD1</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865031585304576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 2<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/oblNU1Z8IJ">pic.twitter.com/oblNU1Z8IJ</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865035074977792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 3<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/tLyb7FB1Rq">pic.twitter.com/tLyb7FB1Rq</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865036782059524?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 4<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/uBJB5B0I6k">pic.twitter.com/uBJB5B0I6k</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865038690455552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 5<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/Bwbyy6ldqa">pic.twitter.com/Bwbyy6ldqa</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865040301129729?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 6:<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/C8SP7ab6di">pic.twitter.com/C8SP7ab6di</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865043140694018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 7<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/L7YuHbXaw5">pic.twitter.com/L7YuHbXaw5</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865045304881153?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 8<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/B6aab0Sdxk">pic.twitter.com/B6aab0Sdxk</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865052665962498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 9 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/fVh2fLVt8F">pic.twitter.com/fVh2fLVt8F</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865054519767040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 10<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/HiGy2SbJrw">pic.twitter.com/HiGy2SbJrw</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865056134574081?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 11<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/FB9CMXjowr">pic.twitter.com/FB9CMXjowr</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865057845841921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 12<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/7G18Vf00dU">pic.twitter.com/7G18Vf00dU</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865060018552833?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Amaya]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Don't worry, it's not your fault. You don't have to be sorry for asking simple questions. The admin just don't allow discussion and contradiction on this thread. They only want people who don't question MJ's innocence and who want to fight for him. I think there should be a specific topic for that, but I guess they estimate this is the normal behaviour to have when you are a "real fan".

I know this user is banned now but wow, condescending much?

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Don't worry, it's not your fault. You don't have to be sorry for asking simple questions. The admin just don't allow discussion and contradiction on this thread. They only want people who don't question MJ's innocence and who want to fight for him. I think there should be a specific topic for that, but I guess they estimate this is the normal behaviour to have when you are a "real fan".



Lovepeace, if you want to have a more healthy discussion, try here :

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/142416-Doubts

A more healthy discussion? I certainly wouldn't call it that at all.

I replied to you there, so I hope you read it because I just honestly don't understand you at all. To me it seems you got your mind made up but God knows why and how...based solely on R&S? I mean, really? Had their been actual credible people, NORMAL people not with a clear agenda accusing him I guess I could kinda understand someone could have doubts. But this is not the case by any means.

After so many years, these two come out and now your doubts are starting to come for the first time? Well honestly it seems like it's not just doubts for you anymore based on your comments I've been reading. I find it truly shocking and a bit sad that you'd sway that way so easily. The words credible and the claims of these two don't really go together. Sorry.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

How awesome is this?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 1<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/bjJawWCRD1">pic.twitter.com/bjJawWCRD1</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865031585304576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 2<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/oblNU1Z8IJ">pic.twitter.com/oblNU1Z8IJ</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865035074977792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 3<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/tLyb7FB1Rq">pic.twitter.com/tLyb7FB1Rq</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865036782059524?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 4<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/uBJB5B0I6k">pic.twitter.com/uBJB5B0I6k</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865038690455552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 5<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/Bwbyy6ldqa">pic.twitter.com/Bwbyy6ldqa</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865040301129729?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 6:<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/C8SP7ab6di">pic.twitter.com/C8SP7ab6di</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865043140694018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 7<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/L7YuHbXaw5">pic.twitter.com/L7YuHbXaw5</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865045304881153?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 8<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/B6aab0Sdxk">pic.twitter.com/B6aab0Sdxk</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865052665962498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 9 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/fVh2fLVt8F">pic.twitter.com/fVh2fLVt8F</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865054519767040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 10<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/HiGy2SbJrw">pic.twitter.com/HiGy2SbJrw</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865056134574081?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 11<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/FB9CMXjowr">pic.twitter.com/FB9CMXjowr</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865057845841921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FACT 12<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/7G18Vf00dU">pic.twitter.com/7G18Vf00dU</a></p>&mdash; VP_Advocacy (@VP_Advocacy) <a href="https://twitter.com/VP_Advocacy/status/1092865060018552833?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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That Twitter account is doing amazing work. Should be read by many people. That part about Wade and his team going after Jordan Chandler, but not how you would expect that, what a piece of shit. This account got that from court documents?

 

[Lightbringer]

Michael muted for the first time...

We knew it would happen :-(

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The effects of the lies from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> has started! Some concerts in the Netherlands have banished <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaeljackson</a> Music and will replace the parts with other musician pieces.... Disgusting!! <a href="https://t.co/ezfhVEKBVt">https://t.co/ezfhVEKBVt</a></p>&mdash; MJVibe (@Mjvibe) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mjvibe/status/1093539549651845120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
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https://www.ad.nl/utrecht/domtoren-verbant-michael-jackson-om-beschuldigingen-misbruik~a47ccd4b/

 

[openlettertojordy]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1itMbAC5ohOBk-7rddDVqPtLpAsvT_737rfhpRKuT0qY/edit?usp=drivesdk

 

[KOPV]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

I see the contridictions of course but the audacity of Wade... his career would have still had an"upward trajectory"... b!tc# you would have had NO career if it wasn't for Michael. "upwards" from what? you probably would have never moved to the states in the first place.

 

[Zeus7]

Michael muted for the first time...

We knew it would happen :-(

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The effects of the lies from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> has started! Some concerts in the Netherlands have banished <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaeljackson</a> Music and will replace the parts with other musician pieces.... Disgusting!! <a href="https://t.co/ezfhVEKBVt">https://t.co/ezfhVEKBVt</a></p>&#8212; MJVibe (@Mjvibe) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mjvibe/status/1093539549651845120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2019</a></blockquote>
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https://www.ad.nl/utrecht/domtoren-verbant-michael-jackson-om-beschuldigingen-misbruik~a47ccd4b/

I wouldn't panic over that, its an orchestra performance dropping a song

 

[KOPV]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

the more we stream Michael, the less reason they'll have to mute his music.. Companies put $$$ before anything!

 

[Zeus7]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

the more we stream Michael, the less reason they'll have to mute his music.. Companies put $$$ before anything!

I'm currently only streaming instead of listening to on my library

 

[Lightbringer]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

I have my spotify running 24/7, just added all Michaels solo tracks to the list

 

[8701girl]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

The press is actually grotesque, I have never EVER seen anyone gone after the way they do for Michael, the headlines and stories are actually so extreme they're making themselves look unbelievable

The lyrics to Unbreakable make so much sense

if that were true that the maid had video of sex acts why didnt she go to snakehead ? this is why that doesnt make sense

 

[chris123678]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

I wouldn't panic over that, its an orchestra performance dropping a song

I would. I'm sorry, but graphic accusations of molestation and oral sex are going to ultimately mute Michael. That's why when I first heard of this documentary, it was literally a stab to the heart. It's going to be devastating for his legacy, especially in the United States.

 

[CherubimII]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

I would. I'm sorry, but graphic accusations of molestation and oral sex are going to ultimately mute Michael. That's why when I first heard of this documentary, it was literally a stab to the heart. It's going to be devastating for his legacy, especially in the United States.

No. The story has already faded. The fans, for the most, are the ones keeping this none story going. :lies:

 

[Lightbringer]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

No. The story has already faded. The fans, for the most, are the ones keeping this none story going. :lies:

NOBODY has seen the documentary yet even for christs sake. This will blow up 1000 x times when airs on TV. Be sure of that. There is RIGHT way to handle this mess, its going to be a trainwreck regardless if we fans fight or just sit and watch MJs legacy being destroyed.

 

[humannature10]

Literally impossible to celebrate the story fading since the doc hasn’t even hit HBO yet. That’s the problem.