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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Cool. Someone said on youtube he/she watched Leaving Neveland and thought MJ was quilty but now after watching the video. "MJ and Wade Robson: The true story" he/she things its unbeliveabele.

A short example that it takes not so much to make people belive in the truth.
 
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Hate to be the bringer of more bad news but my stepfather and friend of mine just told me that a Dutch radio station is also not playing MJ anymore. No idea for how long that will last. Something called NH Radio or something.

What the **** is this logic to just put him off the radio, all because of a mockumentary that provides a total one sided view of everything, presents zero actual proof of anything. It does provide you with two admitted liars, perjurers telling their little story.

Utterly pathetic of these radio stations to do this, what do they even want to prove with this? I guess in 2003 it was more understandable, he actually got arrested, a raid was done and there was no real way to do research on the accuser yet. Times are now different and the cold hard facts are up for grabs. But nah, let's ignore all that, let's just take this tabloid esque "documentary" at face value and remove his music.

Embarrassing doesn't even begin to describe it. **** all these sad idiots.

This is the MeToo Era, a posenous Era if you ask me!
 
Taj posted a clip of the ''documentary'' where Wade said that the reason why he defended Michael in 2005 was because he didn't want Michael to be separated from his children. But didn't he also say the reason why he defended Michael was because he didn't know that what Michael ''did'' to him was wrong?

Just another example of Wade changing his story
 
For the record, regarding what Roger Friedman said about Michael's treatment of fans after the trial. I was there in California on verdict day June 13. After Michael came out of court which everyone saw on tv. A large group of us drove to Neverland. We stayed outside Neverland gates (there were some journalists there too). After a few hours Joe Jackson and TMez came out and thanked us on behalf of Michael and they gave us water (and I think food too). Most of us left happy and relived after that.
 
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Taj posted a clip of the ''documentary'' where Wade said that the reason why he defended Michael in 2005 was because he didn't want Michael to be separated from his children. But didn't he also say the reason why he defended Michael was because he didn't know that what Michael ''did'' to him was wrong?

Just another example of Wade changing his story
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Depends on the story:

To get around statutes of limitations, Robson writes in a 2015 probate court declaration that he was “looking forward to being with Jackson sexually” and that the shame of it prevented him from making allegations before.

However, in his 2016 civil court deposition, he claimed he simply did not understand in 2005 that what allegedly had happened to him as a child was wrong and that he had any problem with it. He did not have any perspective on it until 2012.

You can read more about this here: https://themichaeljacksonallegations.com/2019/02/25/a-critical-analysis-of-leaving-neverland/
 
Champions league football is on tonight and Man United are playing. It starts at 8 o'clock. I imagine a lot of people will be watching that instead, certainly men.
 
L.T.D said:
Champions league football is on tonight and Man United are playing. It starts at 8 o'clock. I imagine a lot of people will be watching that instead, certainly men.
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And I think the UK is also more concerned about Brexit
 
Hope this will soon fade and be forgotten.

Focus on the music and the magic MJ gave us. - Think I will see the BAD concert today.
 
analogue said:
And I think the UK is also more concerned about Brexit
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100%, and everyone seems to be focusing on R Kelly. I don't expect to see much backlash in case I go looking for it...which I will.
 
Ok Taj speaks well, but not very well.
So, Prince and Paris stills in another planet ?
 
Something else I've noticed, when Safechuck claimed he was abused in the theater and the room had a glass window which you couldnt see in from the outside.....dont we see those rooms on the Oprah interview? You can clearly see through the glass.

Not to mention the fact than them having sex in other rooms in the house completely contradicts the theory that Michael was very careful about being caught so he had alarms and sensors set up outside his room to alert him. He was that careful but then threw it out the window to go and have sex in other rooms in the house? Which one is it?
 
I don't think this letter from the family that MJ befriended in Germany has been shared on here yet?

It's on the FB page of Nik Tooke, who is one of the fans attending the protest outside Channel 4 offices today

https://www.facebook.com/nik.tooke/posts/2356305157767276

An Open Letter

From the Schleiter Family

Hi, we are Franziska, Anton, Marlies and Wolfgang – brother and sister and our parents. We were close friends with Michael Jackson from childhood on. What we are about to say comes out of a place of great love and appreciation. If you would like to quote this text, please do not take it out of context and always link back to this page. We won‘t be giving any interviews to the press. Thank you for understanding. This is all we have to say:

04.03.2019

Enough is Enough.

In 1995 we first met Michael at a German TV Show. That day, something that we could never have imagined in our wildest dreams happened. It was the start of a unique friendship. A friendship so normal yet so unusual and magical. One that would last until the very last day of Michael‘s life and will continue forever in our hearts.

From the beginning we knew that what we were privileged to experience, was a treasure worth protecting. Especially regarding the world we live in, with media that wants to make up stories that sell, rather than seeking the truth and people who want to read shocking headlines rather than knowing the truth. Over the years we were offered over a quarter million of Euros for interviews, but no money in the world could ever materialize a value that would stand above the value of our memories with Michael. This is the reason why we have never spoken a word publicly about our friendship.

Something has changed our mind about speaking up lately. The utter shocking news of a new documentary that would portray Michael once again as a child molester. Even writing this sentence, putting his name and that word together, makes us feel sick to our stomach. Michael never behaved inappropriately towards us and we neither witnessed nor suspected him doing it to someone else ever.

We have been angry with the public treatment of Michael many times in the past, but we chose to stay silent - hoping the truth to run marathons and protecting Michael and his privacy.

And we had good reason to be angry, for example when Anton was falsely portrayed in a German tabloid as having a homosexual affair with Michael. We witnessed first hand how ugly the media can be and how they make up most terrible lies just to have a story. When our father denied to talk to an inquiring journalist on the phone, the story read something like "Father refuses to defend Michael". Unfortunately scandals sell much better than anything else.

Spending a lot of time with Michael, we experienced two-faced people more than once. When Michael was in the room, they acted most charming with seemingly good intentions, but once he turned his cheek they would become rude and you could sense that their intentions were not that good after all. In front of us, they didn‘t care showing their real face. We were only the shy German family in the background, not worth paying attention to. But we were observing and slowly but surely we started to get a glance at the often difficult world Michael was living in. It was a world in which it was so very difficult to trust.

And yet Michael was kind to everybody he would meet and believed in the good so strongly. Some would call it naiv, to us it was just one of his character traits that made us look up to him. Giving everybody a chance, even if you've been fooled by people over and over, really is remarkable. And it makes us even more sad to know, that many took and still take advantage of this.

Being around Michael made us realize that everybody wanted a piece of him. We often wondered why, from all people, he would let us into his circle of trusted friends. Now we understand it was maybe the fact that we didn't want anything from him and simply enjoyed being together. When he offered to pay for our education, our parents denied because it was too much of a gift. It was a no brainer for us then, but looking back on it now, it was probably something that Michael didn't experience often.

Those who wanted a piece of his fame or his money did not care about Michael as a person or about his kind heart and uplifting spirit. It is truly a shame and we almost feel bad for those people in a way, because blinded by money, they probably didn't realize that they just had the honor to meet a person that has a uniqueness about him that the world would only witness every other century. His music, his message, his creative and genius mind was truly one of a kind.

While our friendship with Michael was very normal in a sense that we hung out, chatted on the phone, went to the movies just like friends do, it was also magical in the sense that Michael had a warmth about him that was captivating. You would immediately feel comfortable and safe around him. He was one of the most humble persons we've ever met, always putting the well being of others over his own. There was never a single moment of doubt of his pure heart and intentions, which also led our parents to allow us to travel alone with Michael.

Though we‘re speaking up today, we still want to protect and respect our personal stories. What we can say though, is that each and every time we had to say good bye to Michael, we all cried because we knew how much we would miss him. The times we spent together were the most fun. And while Michael was always up for a good water balloon fight, he was also a great mentor, teaching us about life and sharing his incredible knowledge. We can remember how excited he was to tell us about the Wright brothers when he learnt that we had never heard of them. He gave us books and movies of stories we could learn from and he was eager for us to develop our talents.

We understand that our story can only put a small piece of the puzzle together for those who are still in doubt of what to believe about Michael Jackson. To those who still doubt that he was innocent, we can only plea to simply do your own research. And if the fact that Michael had to endure every possible raid of privacy in his trial in 2005 and still was found NOT GUILTY on ALL CHARGES, if this fact is still not enough for you, then maybe you can simply listen to his music.

Meeting many of his fans over the years, we were astounded how much they “got him“ as a person, even though they never personally met him. Michael and his fans had a unique friendship of their own. He trusted them and it is no wonder why they continue to trust in his good heart. They simply listened to his music and to his words. If you listen closely you‘d know all of his stories and you‘d know what kind of person he was. You would know that his mission for his time on earth was not only to bring happiness in form of melodies and rhythm but also to change the world to the better.

Boy, how he could inspire us to be our best selves and to show more love and respect to each other! Yet people choose to blow up lies that threaten to overshadow all of the greatness this man has brought.

Enough is enough.

Today we speak up for Michael because he deserves better and because he was the best friend we could have ever imagined.

Anton and Franziska and our parents Marlies and Wolfgang
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Something else I've noticed, when Safechuck claimed he was abused in the theater and the room had a glass window which you couldnt see in from the outside.....dont we see those rooms on the Oprah interview? You can clearly see through the glass.
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Yes, Taj confirmed in the last day or 2 that there was no 'one-way' glass in the NL theatre building.

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So, Prince and Paris stills in another planet ?
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I think it is very unfair to try and put any pressure on Michael's older children to speak out. They have enough to handle dealing with this in their own home environment, without making themselves a target for all the hatred that is coming out out (especially) from 'blue tick' media and celebs. I imagine that the Twitter comment from De Generes would have been especially hurtful for Paris, who has appeared on her programme.

As we have seen, people who believe R and S will only say that Jackson family members are 'protecting MJ's legacy because it has financial value to them'. Of course MJ's children are the main beneficiaries, so no 'hater' will believe a word they say. Plus they were not there, as Reed keeps reminding everyone about everybody who speaks against R and S lies. .
 
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Will the Estate will explain us how LN showed videoclips of MJ ? There's no copyright issue here ?
 
Gosh isn't it wonderful to see him squirming. It's shameful it's taken him this long to be grilled by ANYONE though.

Anyone on the Michael side is subjected to this on every interview, and worse, so it's long overdue justice.
 
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Gosh isn't it wonderful to see him squirming. It's shameful it's taken him this long to be grilled by ANYONE though.

Anyone on the Michael side is subjected to this on every interview, and worse, so it's long overdue justice.
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Morgan roasted him, he was clearly struggling.
Pleased to see that!
 
pierpinto1;4246118 said:
Morgan roasted him, he was clearly struggling.
Pleased to see that!
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There needs to be a professional from MJ’s side to refute the claims that dan is making. He’s sprouting all kind of lies talking about corroborating evidence and suggesting that there were evidence in the trial that pointed to Jackson’s guilt. Someone needs to be there to set the record straight.
 
wendijane said:
:D Loved this
Ah, go home dan reed
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Too bad Pierce didn't get a chance to respond when Reed said: but what about the families, the mothers and sister? Why would they go on TV.

Well, if my kid would tell me he had been abused and I had never noticed it as a mother, I'd be on TV as well, trying to make things right.
But the families weren't in the room either... So why doesn't that lame excuse he uses for not interviewing The Estate ("because they weren't there") apply to the families of these "victims"?
 
Hes an absolute joke. stop worrying fam. Look at it sitting there ffs Dan Reed you are a joke ...Hes like the mumbling annoying co worker that will walk out and sulk if he doesnt get his own way , or will dictate to you and argue if you ask for a refund. - if he was serving you in Asda or Walmart, Pick and Pay or wherever ...
He is a difficult person. We could say with mental issues ..Has to be some kind of tapped , to dream up the events that are in the documentary.
The dirty mindset and the arrogance reeks.. Just an annoying wannabe, who latches onto a has been and a nobody, His documentary attempt to sabotage Michael legacy was dead on arrival, as is his presence. YAWN
Give me something to get my teeth into will you ...:doh:
Honestly, What a knob. see the bigger picture here.
 
1nn5 said:
I shared it in a thread
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The schleiter family spent a lot of time with michael when he was traveling to germany, it's like the cascio family, maybe they did not spend as much time with michael as the cascio but they were with him in germany when he was traveling there. the son anton has a business of glasses and the daughter has a page of sale of organic bags so as not to contaminate the environment, also of natural things, she seems a very good person. I remember seeing them with Michael in Germany in the videos when he was traveling there and he dedicate some words to them in invincible album.
However, I thought that they had been on TV, radio or published through some medium, but is it through a blog? This could be written by anyone because anyone can open a blog , there is no video of themselves speaking? is not even in their social networks ... I hope they can talk more publicly in some interview on a video or on their own social networks because the blog could have been written by anyone.
Even so, if they really wrote it, it seems to me very nice what they say and very loyal on their part.
 
Dan Reed's smug face is really punchable. And he's using all the same taking points that so many other people have done who think Michael was guilty by saying that Michael worked with powerful people to help get him off the hook or the classic he paid The Chandlers to keep quiet. None of these arguments he's presenting are new And he's also trying to play with people's emotions by bringing Robson and Safeshuck's family into it.
 
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