Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

When are we going to see a documentary about Harvey Weinstein or a documentary about Roman Polanski? Oh, right. I forgot. Hollywood will protect the real pedophiles/predators while the innocent people get smeared. Roman Polanski even got a standing ovation at an award show for f**k sake. And this was after the public knew about the allegations against him and then you had people palling around with Harvey Weinstein for decades. Oprah being one of them
In Polanski's case it's not only an allegation, he was charged, even pleaded guilty and then fled the country.
I won't make judgment on him as I didn't investigate his case further, but these above are facts, and he was still respected and never really questioned (up until now) in the media. Meaning you could read articles about his works without even mentioning the allegation against him, while in MJ's case it was always mandatorily included after 93, even though he wasn't even charged.

Imagine the media frenzy had MJ fled the US in 2003!
 
elusive moonwalker;4248231 said:
Reed is now posting pictures of T.J and mj from the why video (the idiot thinks its taj) and is naming him as a victim. Bush has called him out. The more he goes on the more he shows his colours.

Yes, I was thinking the same thing he’s doing all the work in order to discredit himself I don’t know what Estate has in mind but if he goes on like this should be really easy ruin him
 
Bush?



The way he describes that alleged relationship between a adult man and a young boy is creepy as hell yeah, suspicious as hell too. Because he doesn't say "it was a fulfilling loving relationship for Michael" but he says it in general. It's very off.

But then again, it seems this trash is partly based on Victor's book, and that guy is all sorts off suspicious. Start a investigation on them and look what kind of dirt will be uncovered.

Michael bush. Mjs clothes designer replied

Mj facts seem to be connected to nambla from comments a person who did or does work for them made about another abuser who wrote a book about mj and is now using L.N to promote the book on amazon.the book was taken down years back but is there again now. Author carl toms. Real name tom o carrol
 
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Justice for The Falsely Accused
@JuliaBerkowitz1
In #LeavingNeverland Wade tells about when the cops paid them a visit in 1993 right after the Chandler case broke. In the film he tells about how terrifying it was. In an e-mail he wrote to his mother in 2012, however, he asks HER how he sounded and if he was shaken up.

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6:44 PM - Mar 10, 2019
 
Not sure if this has been posted already but in Sweden the "King of Pop Fans Sweden" have manged to make the network that are broadcasting LN, and has it as a stream, start the whole "documentary" with the following statements, translated from Swedish to English.

"Michael Jackson's career was surrounded with accusations and rumors about child molestation. After a train in 2005 Michael Jackson was acquitted of all charges."
"Wade Robson and James Safechuck got to know Michael Jackson when they were children. They have both testified that Michael did not sexually molest them. As adults they've changed their stories" (this part annoys me since it seems like they were kids when they testified)
"The film (notice, they call it film and not documentary) is based on their perspective".
"Michael Jackson's family and The Michael Jackson Estate strongly denies these men's testimony. Michael Jackson has consequently denied these kind of accusations"

Hope my English makes sense. Very happy that they manged to make the network start the movie with this. A bit upset with the part I pointed out above but this is better than nothing. Unfortunately I'm not sure it will have any impact on people's minds (seen a lot of bad stuff on Swedish social media already) but I think it's great that they at least make everyone read this before they watch the ****.
 
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In #LeavingNeverland Wade tells about when the cops paid them a visit in 1993 right after the Chandler case broke. In the film he tells about how terrifying it was. In an e-mail he wrote to his mother in 2012, however, he asks HER how he sounded and if he was shaken up.

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6:44 PM - Mar 10, 2019

I hope the estate loyers can get the full recorded interview from Wade, James and their familys from 1993/94!!!
I can't wait to watch it!!!
 
Not living in the US, I don't really know the system, but isn't it possible to see who was subpoenad in the 2005 trial, shouldn't that be public info of some kind? Of course thinking about Robson's claim in the film.
 
Some new things...


Sorry but we are all in the same boot during this time!

They have deleated the part from the victimfund that Amanda Robson is a child abse survivor yesterday!!!!

They read everthing we do cause we have an open defense!!!
 
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Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Fox News being objective? What new spore of madness is this?! =P
Seriously though, points to them for actually questioning this.
IKR?! :rofl: And Roger Friedman!
:rogerfriedman:
 
Was in oz. i Believe a private investigator now. He did work with scott ross. Mjs from the trial. Scott found that odd
 
Maybe it's just me being naive, that I should always expect this from any media source... but I've always thought Wired was pretty alright. What is wrong with people I gotta ask? Why are we along with Taj, Charles Thomson, Piers the ONLY ones that care about actual news, facts. This is what Wired dares saying.

'Leaving Neverland' will likely register as one of the central documents of this era. It forces us to reckon with the dark thrall of influence. How it infects. How it blinds. How it bleeds. It requires us to ask ourselves: Who should we trust? https://t.co/MzXpnHhu8b

Taj had a great reply though

Fixed it:
'Leaving Neverland' will likely register as one of the biggest hoaxes of this era. It forces us to reckon with the dark thrall of media influence. How they infect. How they blind us. How they bleed for anything MJ. It requires us to ask ourselves: Should we trust them? https://t.co/0G0RqXX2lV
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

IKR?! :rofl: And Roger Friedman!
:rogerfriedman:

Rodger hounded Michael with articles for the last 10 years of his life, now Michael is no longer here and Rodger is pro Michael, who's been paying this guy??
 
Very disappointed with Taj tweet when he said that he prefers that the Estate doesn't fund his documentary about MJ.
One hand can't clap.
 
Which article is that?
I just meant him in general to emphasize how bizarre this situation is. Like Zeus7 said, Roger Friedman was always flip-flopping about MJ - he was clearly anti-MJ for years (spreading really ridiculous stories) and then he became pro-MJ and actually writes things others won't (most probably his swinging opinions are due to his varying sources, like he's just a mouthpiece for different groups). Still, as we have so few people writing facts about MJ you have to appreciate what he does (when he has good sources...). :hysterical: Plus we have Geraldo Rivera (and his moustache*) from FOX on our side - to add to the absurdness of all.

*For those who wasn't around during the trial: Geraldo vowed to shave his mustache if MJ was convicted (meaning the case is B.S.)

(But TBH my main reason was an excuse to use the good old Roger Friedman smiley. :blush:).
 
Michael bush. Mjs clothes designer replied

Mj facts seem to be connected to nambla from comments a person who did or does work for them made about another abuser who wrote a book about mj and is now using L.N to promote the book on amazon.the book was taken down years back but is there again now. Author carl toms. Real name tom o carrol

Toms is back? We worked so hard to get his trash book taken off Amazon years ago.
 
Very disappointed with Taj tweet when he said that he prefers that the Estate doesn't fund his documentary about MJ.
One hand can't clap.

Unfortunately it's necessary if he wants it to be taken seriously. Any funding from the Estate and all credibility goes straight out of the window.
 
Very disappointed with Taj tweet when he said that he prefers that the Estate doesn't fund his documentary about MJ.
One hand can't clap.



You need to stop sitting in judgement about how various people choose to go about their business of defending and supporting Michael. Taj said from the beginning that he wanted to have creative control and his tweet should indicate to you that he wants to keep messy legalities and "conflicts of interest" out of the project. Taj is clapping with all the hands of his family, Michael's fans and his friends and work colleagues.
 
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I wonder when Taj's documentary is coming out. I have a feeling it will be a huge success, people will want to hear the other side. Look at all the posts on social media, there are far more people defending MJ. So hopefully Taj does a good job
 
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After reading this post I watched again the picturematirial they show from James (and Michael) in Neverland in the movie.
There are only two pictures from Michael alone, one picture from James in a pool and the birthday footage with James and his family were no Michael is around.

So how should this proove that they have an relationship with so many sex advantures all over Neverland???

The tents they are showing are too small for a kid and grown man haveing hidden sex.

I hope someone can tell us what in the rooms were over the theater.
 
I also look forward to Taj's documentary but I also wonder if Piers Morgan has picked up on the support he has received from MJ fans following his interview with DR last week and the fact that there is an appetite for closer inspection of these allegations, perhaps with a documentary of his own. I would love him to interview Charles Thompson.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect Piers to be unequivocally supportive of MJ but I would like it if someone in his position could at least show some interest in finding the truth.
 
Posted by me below this upload of the Oprah's incredibly weak platform for the three leeches
(my personal highlight is when Robson's "dramatic acting" later - don't bother to find the runtime again - didn't work and noone reacted while they cut directly to Oprah continuing with her cheap talk):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aWjKDih1G8

There are many RED FLAGS on both accusers and the director. But neither the "fake-umentation" nor the Oprah "Distracting-from-Weinstein"-nonsense-talk will show you those.
There was no grooming, the director makes you think so, they lived their everyday lives and were hardly a part of MJ's life. MJ did boost Robson's career and his mother - just like Janet Arvizo - wanted her son to be famous and took advantage of MJ. Robson had sold all his valuable MJ memoriablia before, the fake burning is for dramatic purposes.

You think you know Michael Jackson by watching this presentation.
What do you know about Dan Reed, Wade Robson and James Safechuck?
Get to realize that you do not know anything about them and there is a lot of evidence that there are three people who are lying through their teeths.
You say humans could never lie like that? The truth is that mankind has shown there are all sorts of opportunists.
People do lie, it is easy. How often did you lie to someone? Lying is easy.
If you think someone is saying true things, how hard is it for you to accept you were wrong in believing so? Do you like being wrong?

Don't be lazy humans and just blindly buy a product that was made for personal profit, instead research the lies by the two accusers who you have witnessed ACTING. They are NOT victims of anything, only of being deceitful, horrible human beings that are taking advantage of the fact that people have always been emotionnally weak if they see/hear what AT FIRST might sound convincing. Who is brave and searches for the truth however?

Acknowledge the many RED FLAGS by the people who have spoken and you listened to them.
Acknowledge their lies. Sooner or later they will be collapsing like a house of cards, even before your very eyes.
- "no financial interest" is what the director and "victims" claim, yet it's been advertized like a blockbuster movie ==> BD/DVD will follow soon
- "it's not about Michael Jackson" --> the whole selling point and what people talk about is MICHAEL JACKSON and only MICHAEL JACKSON, the alleged pedophile
People do not research, uncover and take actions against Wade Robson, James Safechuck, other free riders, the director Dan Reed, the networks and people who wanted this story to RUN NOW
- Wade Robson's wife, Amanda, claims to have "learnt" about Wade's alleged abuse and knew nothing, yet in coordination with profiting from the "fake-umentation" by setting up a fraud fund - it suddenly said "Amanda, also a survivor of child abuse" - Robson had messed up his career, has a bad reputation in the industry due to him making things up - eg alleged projects with MJ - and being overly self-serving and had mental breakdowns that had nothing to do with MJ until they were also "re-written" to make the mockery convincing because people - as evident here - are easily fed by tabloid stories
- Dan Reed: "A jury would have to weigh up evidence – of which there is plenty...." (Guardian newspaper, March 10th 2019)
Also Dan Reed: "In the end, there is no video of Michael Jackson abusing Wade and James. There is no cache of photographs. So what you’re doing is listening to the person and making a judgment about whether there is any truth or not.” (January 24, 2019)
LET ME REPEAT:
Dan Reed: There is plenty of evidence ...
Also Dan Reed: There is none but listen to these guys. How can you not believe them or me?
This manipulation - as he is illogical and contradicts himself - is called "Poisoning The Well Fallacy" which means he tries to shore up the allegations made by Wade Robson and James Safechuck by shaming on people who do not believe them or him. If Dan Reed was a real investigative journalist - there are hardly any - and as such actually truthful on the matter, he would not rely on such cheap tricks of manipulation...
In all of his talk, all of his interviews, he only tries to shift the blame upon the Jackson Estate eg for "protecting their assets". Dan Reed has not told anything of substance, he is covering up with insults to dub MJ's fans as deluded, yet he is the one telling "4 hours cannot be gossip".
- James Safechuck's "wedding ring" is a completely invented story, most of his tales are copy-pasted from a sensational book against MJ that is decades old, you'll find the name and info, the director and the two leeches won't tell you for free
- the timing and media circus is run by those who actually really have power and money - Weinstein & Co. - yet some people are so blind to think MJ had star power and money to walk away from alleged crimes. however apart from his career the rest of his life ever since the first allegations was a witch hunt in the media and he never had the power to stop the FBI and police investigations or silence the media. Michael Jackson has been CONTINUOUSLY slandered in the media, in the general public by those who only see him as some "monster", pedophile whatever. And there have never been "powerful" people to influence / silence any of you. The world isn't fair, life ain't a pony ride. Don't believe any accuser without checking their background. If you do, you'll find their narrative is plotted and doesn't stand the state of facts in their real lives.

There is too much more which I don't bother to write now, others have done their homework already. Lies are being thrown upon an audience, the truth is something you have to go searching, it doesn't sell as good as lies.
 
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