Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[PoP]

That idiot Marx is at it again, calling us dead brained and evil, we’ll I call him that right back and reminded him in the hashtag I used #MJHatersRIdiots.

 

[ozemouze]

He’s trying to justify the changing of the timeline in the train station story by saying James went after 94.
The problem is that
1) Michael’s alibi and timeline does not work with James’s accusation of being abused everyday at the train station.
2) he’s now saying Michael abused James at 16/17 and now they all need to be called out for their narratives of Michael abusing only young boys and dumping them when they hit puberty.

Yep, that's clear for me how he tries to explain away the timeline problems while blowing up the very narrative they wanted to convey with LN, so basically just making it worse.

What I don't get is the basic idea that having photos of a building can prove anything important at all.

 

[ozemouze]

Thank you.
While the media are reporting the discovery, I still think they’re soft-balling this.
This literally exposed his train station story as a lie which then makes you question if his other stories are true.

https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/wh...ng-neverland-while-the-u-k-press-is-pouncing/
This article finally deals with the context and importance of the train station fiasco (and how Reed made it even worse) and lists other contradictions as well.

 

[L.T.D]

Anyone want to share their Twitter handle so we can follow each other on there? Just to keep track of some info we all share.

Mines ltd1991

 

[Carmour260]

That idiot Marx is at it again, calling us dead brained and evil, we’ll I call him that right back and reminded him in the hashtag I used #MJHatersRIdiots.

Ignore that idiot.

 

[Anna]

The response to Wade Robson’s appeal, filed by attorneys representing Michael Jackson’s estate:

https://leavingneverlandfacts.com/the-response-to-wade-robsons-appeal/

 

[Soundmind]

smdh RIP Michael.

Welcome back.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Yeah good to see you.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

Yeah. Sorry im no good at embeding? In the actual tweet it shows the transcript of brancas depo. Finaldi goves a long list of supposed victims including siggy jackson! and trump. Maybe someone should tweet trump?

Yeah.... and people still belive that the evil post where Wade called other victims was not from Wade and he has connections to MJFacts who try to make people belive in fabricated storys about nearly every boy in MJs life since six years.... ?

 

[terrell]

That idiot Marx is at it again, calling us dead brained and evil, we’ll I call him that right back and reminded him in the hashtag I used #MJHatersRIdiots.

That fool is just looking to try to get attention to boost his faded career.

 

[terrell]

The Egg: ''I don't know very much about Michael Jackson. I know a lot about Wade Robson and James Safechuck''
https://twitter.com/appleseed120/status/1113964127892987904

He just admitted on camera that he did no research and only listened to what Robson and Safechuck had to say. And people still find this egg credible

That is because anyone who think he is creditable will have to face they falsely accused an innocent man and they are gullible.

 

[Paris78]

Review by a german TV-Station

https://www.swr.de/swr2/kultur-info...6/did=23797554/nid=9597116/1lrghlw/index.html

Unbalanced film about Michael Jackson: "Leaving Neverland"

From Rüdiger Suchsland

The TV documentary "Leaving Neverland" by director Dan Reed raises serious allegations of child molestation against Michael Jackson. This film makes Michael Jackson posthumously unbalanced the process, finds SWR2 film critic Rüdiger Suchsland. ProSieben sends the controversial documentation on Saturday, April 6.

The King of Pop - soon a king With no land?

He was the King of Pop: Michael Jackson, the first global black media icon. If it goes after the television documentary "Leaving Neverland" of the director Dan Reed, then he is soon a king with no land.
"Leaving Neverland" tells how, in 1987, Michael Jackson met ten-year-old Jimmy Safechuck while filming an ad, sexually seducing him for the first time, at least for the first time, according to adult safechuck.

A movie full of disgusting stories
This is an unpleasant movie, bursting with disgusting stories, with details that hardly anyone wants to know, and that nobody has to know to get a picture. Because after 20 minutes, the film has said what he has to say. After that, he only repeats and varies this again and again.

ProSieben - not known for special or social conscience

The two two-hour parts, which will be on show for the first time in Germany on Saturday, in the private station ProSieben, which is not known for its special sensitivity or social conscience, consist mainly of interviews with Safechuck and Wade Robson, the two young men who come here for star witnesses of the thesis and main actors of the film, from public archive images and close-ups on their faces and those of their mothers.
Film also highly controversial in the US

The director suggests with drone shots on the former estate Jackson at the same time the godlike perspective of an omniscient narrator. Stylistically, this is a weak movie, below the level of great American documentary art.

The verdict seems to be spoken. But the impression is deceptive. Despite all this, "Leaving Neverland" is highly controversial, even in the US, and that has good reasons. Director Dan Reed does not document, he argues.
A document of the indictment - without arguments of the defense

This movie makes Michael Jackson posthumously the process. This movie is a document of the indictment. He is not balanced. Arguments of the defense are not heard, relieving evidence does not occur.

One has to remember the facts once again: The well-known, not squeamish American justice has acquitted Michael Jackson. The FBI has determined for years, without success, the 300-page investigation report is publicly available on the Internet.
Unproven if Michael Jackson had pedophile tendencies

So you do not have to like Michael Jackson, but being a child molester and having pedophile tendencies is totally unproven.

That this film takes four hours to build and reproduce this accusation is as exaggerated and monumental as the one-sidedness of the film is monstrous. As monstrous as the tendency of the international public to rise to fast and absolute, completely one-sided judgments.

Staging a spectacle? The filmmakers succumb to this seduction

As sad as the readiness to throw rule-of-law principles overboard - in doubt for the accused. No judgment without a fair trial? Forget everything.

The film describes processes of dependency on seduction, seduction through fame and seduction through wealth. He succumbs to all those who try to stage a spectacle about a dead man who can not fight back.
Greasy capitalization of the subject pedophilia

This film, and the disagreeable, greasy capitalization of pedophilia, abuse and what surrounds it, is a reminder to stop and seek a more appropriate approach to these issues.

Public hysteria and show trials on the television pillory, with no defense and with the audience as a judge, hurt the cause, just as the desire for moral rapidity hurts our character and the whole society. The monsters are not just on one side. They are everywhere.

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael’s only guilty of generosity, kindness, trusting and naivety.</p>&mdash; Karen Faye (@wingheart) <a href="https://twitter.com/wingheart/status/1114215757603196928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> director admits there is inconsistencies in the timeline of alleged abuse.<br><br>Oprah Windrey deleted all videos regarding to the the documentary off her YouTube and social media accounts, including the interview with the alleged victims. <a href="https://t.co/6xOeZAD6H9">pic.twitter.com/6xOeZAD6H9</a></p>&mdash; Pop Crave (@PopCrave) <a href="https://twitter.com/PopCrave/status/1113918595703148545?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Truth is coming out!!! Believe the truth not the lies!!! <a href="https://t.co/SbHRM7uvNq">https://t.co/SbHRM7uvNq</a></p>&mdash; Emmanuel Lewis (@TheReal_ELewis) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheReal_ELewis/status/1113970462818803713?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;This was never a film about Michael Jackson&quot; No, it's about proven liars talking about Michael Jackson. Such an idiot. <a href="https://t.co/aFzAD9rchR">https://t.co/aFzAD9rchR</a></p>&mdash; Steve Brookstein (@stevebrookstein) <a href="https://twitter.com/stevebrookstein/status/1114155470795747328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Exclusive: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> Accused of Key Discrepancy, Michael Jackson Estate Issues Statement <a href="https://t.co/y5jnynmZMR">https://t.co/y5jnynmZMR</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRoot?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheRoot</a></p>&mdash; Leaving Neverland Facts (@NeverlandFacts) <a href="https://twitter.com/NeverlandFacts/status/1113904897018056704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I translated 2 minutes of the excellent 4 minute audio comment made by german journalist Rüdiger Suchsland for <a href="https://twitter.com/SWR2?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SWR2</a> <br>The most accurate &amp; objective comment so far!<br>Please share <a href="https://t.co/1pCeRsRJwK">pic.twitter.com/1pCeRsRJwK</a></p>&mdash; GeraldineBlondeau (@GeraldineBlonde) <a href="https://twitter.com/GeraldineBlonde/status/1114206579749019649?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Interesting! So that entirely debunks the idea Safechuck could've been abused from 1988-1990 in the castle, which is the context for 99% of his abuse timeline. <a href="https://t.co/lfTWF2XUqE">https://t.co/lfTWF2XUqE</a></p>&mdash; caramella (@Caramelicedtea) <a href="https://twitter.com/Caramelicedtea/status/1114219869006958594?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Halfway through. &#127916; <a href="https://t.co/eciTwEZWVc">pic.twitter.com/eciTwEZWVc</a></p>&mdash; Marcos Cabotá (@MarcosCabota) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarcosCabota/status/1113597713025777664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

Yep, that's clear for me how he tries to explain away the timeline problems while blowing up the very narrative they wanted to convey with LN, so basically just making it worse.

What I don't get is the basic idea that having photos of a building can prove anything important at all.

The photos in general they show when James described what happen to him in Neverland in general prooves nothing cause there is no photo of him and MJ together in Neverland.
In the birthday footage is also no Michael.
I am not sure if the picture from James in the pool is really from Neverland.
More poor evidence for a multible repeated crime is not possible.

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Taj 1 element of this issue which hasn’t gotten attention is if <a href="https://twitter.com/danreed1000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@danreed1000</a> now laughably believes Safechuck lied under oath &amp; was really abused until 16-17, then how does he explain that this means there was about a 4 year overlap in the abuse of Wade, but they didn’t know it?! <a href="https://t.co/sHk2gqFzJU">https://t.co/sHk2gqFzJU</a></p>&mdash; John Ziegler (@Zigmanfreud) <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1114234777194745856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#128317;NEW VIDEO! From his latest podcast, <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Zigmanfreud</a>'s clever and HILARIOUS commentary on the latest, massive holes in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a>! From Grand Canyons to MJ being married to <a href="https://twitter.com/LisaPresley?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@LisaPresley</a>, from the &quot;amazing&quot; MJ fans to JS being &quot;16 and HUGE&quot;!&#128514;ENJOY!&#128317;<a href="https://t.co/LjxiSFpzvH">https://t.co/LjxiSFpzvH</a></p>&mdash; DespicableDrew (@DespicableDrew) <a href="https://twitter.com/DespicableDrew/status/1114162931300749313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The room Safechuck was talking about is like a loft. A swirly staircase leads up to the room. NO doors, alarms or beds. You just walk in there &amp; chill out. I’ve hung there many times after loading myself a bag of candies from the 1st floor. It’s a very open area. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/No65fz5GOc">pic.twitter.com/No65fz5GOc</a></p>&mdash; Myra Hissami (@mhissami) <a href="https://twitter.com/mhissami/status/1114182836594982912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Richard, Jackson’s fans, who I’ve found to be mostly VERY substantive, are not the “topic” here. The issue is whether those accusing Jackson of horrible things in that movie are credible &amp; the evidence (as shown here) is mounting that they are clearly not. <a href="https://t.co/zjf8K38FZt">https://t.co/zjf8K38FZt</a> <a href="https://t.co/7aDCxteuc6">https://t.co/7aDCxteuc6</a></p>&mdash; John Ziegler (@Zigmanfreud) <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1114172173130715138?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My son on his way into school. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/michaeljackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#michaeljackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/iTwPAdU5bo">pic.twitter.com/iTwPAdU5bo</a></p>&mdash; Catherine (Kathleen) Curtin (@kathleencurtinc) <a href="https://twitter.com/kathleencurtinc/status/1113830918622306305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Blimey - Good work <a href="https://twitter.com/LiamMcEwan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@LiamMcEwan</a>! <a href="https://t.co/xv6vVQHSCB">https://t.co/xv6vVQHSCB</a></p>&mdash; Charles Thomson (@CEThomson) <a href="https://twitter.com/CEThomson/status/1114176021945880582?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheMJCastEp98?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TheMJCastEp98</a> - We Had a Break…Allegedly…<br><br>We’re joined by <a href="https://twitter.com/CEThomson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CEThomson</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/Anika_Kotecha?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Anika_Kotecha</a> to discuss <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> &amp; its aftermath. Also, all the news, kick-ass music breaks, correspondent updates and SO much more! J.<br><br>&#128242; <a href="https://t.co/gnPoUVLjaf">https://t.co/gnPoUVLjaf</a> <br>&#128224; <a href="https://t.co/ChhrRYqh22">https://t.co/ChhrRYqh22</a> <a href="https://t.co/2Tl0qHLwqr">pic.twitter.com/2Tl0qHLwqr</a></p>&mdash; The MJCast (@TheMJCast) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheMJCast/status/1114068496504115200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thanks to your amazing support we have made our second donation of $1000!! from 100% of the proceeds of the INNOCENT pins to <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson</a> GoFundMe to fund the <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaeljackson</a> Docu!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ProudToBeAMichaelJacksonFan?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ProudToBeAMichaelJacksonFan</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/michaeljackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#michaeljackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/mjinnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#mjinnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/mjtribute?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#mjtribute</a> #Moonwalkers#ArmyofLove <a href="https://t.co/FoRYgjzwdD">pic.twitter.com/FoRYgjzwdD</a></p>&mdash; Secret Dreamers Society (@SDSociety_) <a href="https://twitter.com/SDSociety_/status/1114242737157627904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BJackson82?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BJackson82</a> Michael Jackson's guitarist Jennifer Batten's interview in &quot;Good Morning, Finland&quot; : calls <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> just another money grabbing vehicle and a stab in the heart. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a> <a href="https://t.co/SPQwrrQvJN">https://t.co/SPQwrrQvJN</a></p>&mdash; Merja Pohjola (@Meikkuli) <a href="https://twitter.com/Meikkuli/status/1114239942262181889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I find these accusations by these 2 families the most heinous of betrayals. I spent time with all of them. Michael was so kind and giving to the entire families. I NEVER saw any hesitation, only total enthusiasm to spend every moment with MJ that they possibly could.</p>&mdash; Karen Faye (@wingheart) <a href="https://twitter.com/wingheart/status/1114183982919213057?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I'm also rocking my MJ gear!! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/mjfam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#mjfam</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/TgqWAXv9qP">pic.twitter.com/TgqWAXv9qP</a></p>&mdash; Brittany Jean &#9419; (@BrittMJ4evr) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrittMJ4evr/status/1114223740899008514?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From <a href="https://twitter.com/welt?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@welt</a>: 'Biographer finds flaws in abuse documentary – and presents evidence' <a href="https://t.co/QnyZWZsBnH">https://t.co/QnyZWZsBnH</a></p>&mdash; Mike Smallcombe (@mikesmallcombe1) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikesmallcombe1/status/1114220303473836037?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’ve not made a penny from this. Not from all the articles published worldwide, and people won’t be rushing to buy a book published three years ago either. <br><br>It’s about journalism - I’m not going to sit and do nothing when I have the knowledge/resources to challenge and research. <a href="https://t.co/BE7lPFegSX">https://t.co/BE7lPFegSX</a></p>&mdash; Mike Smallcombe (@mikesmallcombe1) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikesmallcombe1/status/1114139878722297856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">oh really now? *return of the popcorn gif* <a href="https://t.co/k3l6GX3XXc">https://t.co/k3l6GX3XXc</a></p>&mdash; Questlove (In E flat) (@questlove) <a href="https://twitter.com/questlove/status/1113909053183467520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">4. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/5WGgl5XmJO">pic.twitter.com/5WGgl5XmJO</a><br>Michael Jackson left his Legacy for the new Generations and Will live ForEver....&#9757;&#127996;<a href="https://twitter.com/YLifeloveM?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@YLifeloveM</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Kerrylou2017?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Kerrylou2017</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/michellbella_17?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michellbella_17</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/awhisperofIove?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@awhisperofIove</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/carmelamorelli1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@carmelamorelli1</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/GreglaLadislav?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@GreglaLadislav</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/FIORELL37001278?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FIORELL37001278</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/CatBlackArg?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CatBlackArg</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Aliya2972000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Aliya2972000</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/KissickSheila?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KissickSheila</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ItsDiamondMarie?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ItsDiamondMarie</a>&#128165;&#128293;</p>&mdash; Blanca Gonzalez (@g53880416) <a href="https://twitter.com/g53880416/status/1113532181794689026?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">3. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Arckangel]

Here is a video of Michael Jacobshagen (formerly known as Michael Mondtkowski) at age 13 with Michael Jackson. This is evidence he actually met Michael for the first time in 1995 at age 13.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Here is a video of Michael Jacobshagen (formerly known as Michael Mondtkowski) at age 13 with Michael Jackson. This is evidence he actually met Michael for the first time in 1995 at age 13.

And the only time, despite what the piece of shit is now saying and god knows what he'll say in his "doc" sigh. The MJFam doesn't take him seriously and I get that, but I do hope that if he indeed comes with filth of his own that the estate is prepared. I don't think many took Wade and James seriously years ago... but I don't think anyone had expected something like LN to come out of it.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

Here is a video of Michael Jacobshagen (formerly known as Michael Mondtkowski) at age 13 with Michael Jackson. This is evidence he actually met Michael for the first time in 1995 at age 13.

Hm we already know this video.... it was maybe the only situation he ever met MJ.

 

[Arckangel]

Tbh, why would he defend Michael?
He could be sued for lying back in 1993 no????

No, since the condition for the settlement was to admit Michael did NOT molest Jordan. If he had any conscience, Jordan would have come forward and confirmed on camera Michael definitely did NOT molest him. It's not too late for him to do so.

 

[1nn5]

Here is a video of Michael Jacobshagen (formerly known as Michael Mondtkowski) at age 13 with Michael Jackson. This is evidence he actually met Michael for the first time in 1995 at age 13.

Why german said that was in 1998 ?

 

[ozemouze]

TSCM gave some info on Safechuck's role at the 05 trial:
https://twitter.com/MJJRepository/status/1113893253852618752

Safechuck's "phone threats" claim is just as factually disprovable as train depot.
3/28 - Judge disallowed '1108' Safechuck evidence.
5/9 - Defense reiterates they have no intention of ever calling ANY character witness, only those directly implicated by state (Wade/Brett/Mac).

3/28 Defense: "Six, J. Safechuck, who we are informed says nothing happened. THEY don&#8217;t propose to call him as an alleged victim either, but they&#8217;ve got the same old gang again coming in to try and capitalize on the case, people who have been adjudged to be liars, and they are."

State filed motion on 5/6 as defense case kicked off. They falsely suggested defense was calling character witnesses.
If so, the state argued, they would bring in counter-character statements and witnesses including debunked ones from LaToya, "baby dangling" and so on.

There was nothing to gain from the defense calling any "character witness" who was not explicitly implicated as a "victim" by the state's case-in-chief.
Doing so would've allowed state to present even more discredited witnesses, including Quindoy & others with tabloid claims.

May 9, 2005 Filing: http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/050905respdatrlbrf.pdf &#8230;
"Govt is seeking to misrepresent this testimony as traditional opinion/reputation evidence... This is NOT opinion or reputation evidence and it DID NOT open the door to opinion or reputation cross-examination."


And some comment on Reed's behaviour:
https://twitter.com/MJJRepository/status/1113955746901909504

From day one Dan Reed has made Leaving Neverland as much about him as it is the two actors.

- Poses in all of the photo shoots with them.
- Appears in all of the interviews with them.
- Concocts his own feeble explanations to defend their lies.

This is not normal behavior.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Hm we already know this video.... it was maybe the only situation he ever met MJ.

It was the only time. This was pretty much confirmed in that video from MJInnocent too. This video explains it all. He can claim whatever he wants, believe in his own lies, but he's lying through his teeth.

https://youtu.be/K8lYPCtiXLE

 

[Lillycat85]

Jakobshagen

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Is anyone going to read that appeal of 80 pages? I do want to know what it says but right now I don't have enough time to read through it all.

 

[1nn5]

So no one knows when the castle was finally constructed. In 1992 ?
Cause Safeshuck said he didn't visited Nerverland since this year.

 

[Arckangel]

And the only time, despite what the piece of shit is now saying and god knows what he'll say in his "doc" sigh. The MJFam doesn't take him seriously and I get that, but I do hope that if he indeed comes with filth of his own that the estate is prepared. I don't think many took Wade and James seriously years ago... but I don't think anyone had expected something like LN to come out of it.

My point exactly! Underestimating ROBson & SafeCHECK proved to be a gigantic mistake, and that Jacobshagen type is up to no good!

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

So no one knows when the castle was finally constructed. In 1992 ?
Cause Safeshuck said he didn't visited Nerverland since this year.

The Jackson Family knows everthing. But they don't come together and investigate LN and the Lawsuits intensly together.
They are the key.... cause one member of this biiiiig family semed to be aways around Michael in the most of his lifetieme / in close contact with him and know other witnesses who can help to debunk these horrible allegations.
People from the outside can't come not anymore further then we are now!
Only people from the inside (the inner circle) can do this now.
But it needs unity from all the people of the inner circle who love Michael, belive in his innocence and want vindicate him.

 

[Anna]

Is anyone going to read that appeal of 80 pages? I do want to know what it says but right now I don't have enough time to read through it all.

I read it. The Estate's response seems watertight to me. It's pretty in-depth, but basically:

• Robson's case doesn't meet the criteria for an exception to the statute of limitations

• Michael was the sole shareholder of both MJJ Productions and MJJ Ventures and had total control, so there is no legal basis for Robson's claim that the companies can be held responsible for not protecting him from any alleged abuse, especially since the companies had nothing to do with Robson and Michael's introduction or any involvement with the locations where abuse allegedly occurred