Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

This isn't a movie it a stupid mockumentary full of lies. this makes me so mad. i really hope all the people who did all of this get sued and go to jail. i'm am very tired of this. it's been almost 4 months with this mess. i can't believe it's even been that long. now i understand what Michael felt like. boy i'm so tired. i'm not gonna give up though. it's all for Michael and his legacy. this crap isn't funny anymore. Michael been treat it like crap his whole life and even since he gone they still going after him. i mean leave him alone already. please! just stop already. it's not funny anymore. :angry:
 
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Also Prince is Michael son. whatever people like it or not. people need to also leave Michael kids alone. they come out and speak out when they ready. they already know what's going on.
 
One of MJ's doctors has been quoted in this article. Interesting that he seems to claim to have spoken to MJ in his last year of life ie 'not good behaviour for a 50 year old man'. Seems unlikely??


Michael Jackson's doctor WARNED 'manchild' King of Pop about 'relationships with kids'
A DOCTOR who worked as Michael Jackson's private physician for many years has revealed he warned the star about his "odd" relationships with children.

Dr Neil Ratner was the King of Pop's personal doctor for much of the 1990s and often came with him on tour.

He has now spoken out about his time with the pop star and said he had told Jackson to change his ways.

And he admitted the singer — who died in 2009 aged just 50 — "probably" liked children more than adults.

Describing Jackson as a "manchild", he said Jackson's biggest problem was his refusal to grow up.

Dr Ratner said he along with many others tried to get the troubled star to face up to his problems.

He urged him to stop hanging around with young boys, he said.

"I talked to him about it. I said 'this is not good behaviour for a 50-year-old man,'" he told The Sun.

Although he admitted *****'s behaviour around children was odd, he insisted he never thought the singer was abusing kids.

"Did he like children more than adults? Probably," said Dr Ratner.

But he said he would have taken action if he had "seen or suspected" anything wrong was happening.

The medic said Jackson was "stuck" in a Peter Pan fantasy about staying young forever.

It comes just months after the release of Channel 4 documentary Leaving Neverland, which detailed the alleged abuse by Jackson of two boys James Safechuck and Wade Robson.

Safechuck claims Jackson manipulated him into performing oral sex on him by buying him jewellery when he was just 10 years old.

While Robson claims he was only seven when ***** lured him to his Neverland ranch and got him to perform sex acts on him.

But Jackson's family slammed the documentary, comparing the allegations about the star to a "public lynching" as the late singer is unable to defend himself in person.

Jackson was previously tried on child molestation charges before being acquitted on every count.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/wo...-warned-star-relationship-kids-dr-neil-ratner
 
LN will be broadcasted in South Korea in June.
And you really think that HBO is afraid of the Estate?
 
I bet the blue tick brigade will conveniently not believe this and will not call to mute Elvis. I think the only thing claims like this against white artists will do is, it could make others think twice about believing allegations just because of the nature of them. I think prejudiced folks will be more willing now to say "wow, hold your horses, these are merely allegations Elvis can't defend against so we can't mute him on mere allegations"





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The controversial book claims Elvis Presley was a pedophile who preyed on underage girls


Elvis Presley was a pedophile who had a string of underage girlfriends a new book has claimed.
Joel Williamson, author of Elvis Presley: A Southern Life, has claimed that The King would sleep with girls as young as 14 while on tour aged 22.
According to the book, Presley would have pillow fights, tickle, wrestle and kiss a number of young girls who he had befriended.

It even claims that he once took a 15-year-old fan to the hospital after their condom broke during sex.
All the while Presley was supposedly dating 15-year-old Dixie Locke, one of his better-known lovers who he met when he was 19.
The Mississippi native officially dated Locke between 1953 and 1955 and took her to junior prom.

Elvis is no stranger to being connected with underage girls. His biographer Alanna Nash confirmed that the singer had a predilection for adolescent girls claiming he was so attached to his mother that he couldn’t relate to mature women and sought out young girls because he wasn’t threatened by them.
In 1959, Presley met future wife Priscilla - who was 14 at the time.
he two dated while Presley served in the US military and after a seven-and-a-half-year courtship, married in 1967.
Daughter Lisa-Marie was born nine months later.

The latter stages of Presley’s life was marred by scandal and controversy. The singer was abusing drugs on a regular basis and was divorced from Priscilla in 1973.
He died in 1977 at the age of 42 after being discovered in gold silk pajamas in his bathroom at his Graceland estate.




https://www.irishpost.com/news/cont...esley-paedophile-preyed-underage-girls-166753
 
Another good article:

Believe White People: Michael Jackson, Leaving Neverland, the Media and Race
by Brotha Wolf

First off, I want to say that I am NOT writing this from a liberal or conservative point-of-view, nor am I writing this as an ardent fan of Michael Jackson. I’m not a journalist or author. I’m just a concerned citizen.

I will also say that I have not nor will I plan to watch the “documentary” Leaving Neverland. (I’ll explain why I use that word in quotes later.) I know that this admission alone will render the rest of this essay irrelevant as watching the film is a requirement for critiquing it. This entire essay may not get to be published at all. However, I WON’T critique the film, but I WILL express my thoughts and feelings of the mainstream media and society’s overall positive reaction to it.

Michael Jackson’s legacy as arguably the greatest entertainer the world is well-earned and has remained strong, especially ever after his death. The pedophilic accusations that have dogged him for the latter half of his life seemed like a distant memory for years or at least an insignificant thought. Then, in 2019, the accusations resurfaced in a “documentary” that has caught the world’s – the West at least – attention. Leaving Neverland is a two-part, four hour-long film directed by British filmmaker Dan Reed. It features testimony by two of Jackson’s accusers, Wade Robson and James Safechuck. The general news media’s responses to the film included words like “harrowing” and “disturbing”. As such, they concluded that the film is the final nail in the coffin. Even Oprah Winfrey decided to air a special featuring Reed, Robson and Safechuck, and it seemed like the special further cemented Jackson as a disgusting pedophile apparently without question or objections.

In almost no time later, cancel or mute culture emerged in the form of removing Jackson’s songs from the playlists of a few radio stations around the world. Statues of him were removed from public places. One way or another, Michael Jackson was erased despite the same media’s sharp advisories against such moves.

Still, with ONE film with apparently nothing other than testimonies from two men, the mainly “liberal” media and those who turn to them for news and information have collectively indicted Michael Jackson as a smooth criminal and believed the testimonies of Robson and Safechuck instantaneously.

And I would’ve too if I didn’t stop and think about a few things.

Ordinarily, I would’ve jumped on and sided with the accusers, even though I never saw nor plan to see the film. But I asked myself, why would, or rather why SHOULD I believe a film that’s considered a “documentary”, especially if the media says so? It seemed suspicious, especially when the director claimed that the film isn’t about Michael Jackson. Pardon me, but how could it not be when it’s about two men who claim to be victims of the late superstar? Also, why would I watch a film meant to shed light on a terrible crime when the director describes it as more of a “love story”? And due to me being a black man in America, why Michael Jackson, another black man, of all people? It was then I CHOSE to see the massive elephant in the room: race.

As a member of “the other” and given the history and treatment towards non-mainstream populations, I can’t help but suspect and observe how Jackson’s legacy is treated as opposed to other luminaries accused of similar or worse crimes who have a lighter skin hue than mine. Granted, in his later years, Jackson’s skin was brightened, but he was still a black man in America.

Of course, people will vehemently object that the Neverland backlash has any hint of racism, and to suggest otherwise is to – at worst – blame the “victims”. I will most likely be called a ‘stan’ or worse, a rape apologist. But I couldn’t help but feel that the media backlash had something to do with the fact that Jackson was black and his accusers and the director are all white. So, I wonder if the “believing the victim” plea in this case is more like the case of “believing white victims”, a plea that has led to the oppression and murder of black people for ages. A simple rape accusation from a white woman would lead to the death and destruction of African-Americans and even whole black communities whether it happened or not. And even though that’s not likely to happen from this case – this time, it’s white men – there’s an aura of terminating Jackson’s history and legacy by word alone that conjures immediate fears and the notion that white people claiming victimhood status and where the suspect is black are to be believed no questions asked.

Yes, Michael Jackson was wealthy during his time and as the liberal way of thinking suggests, he’s part of the corrupt power structure within the music industry by association. With these allegations levied against him – again - even after his death through a motion picture, he’s considered the “enemy”. We decide that he used his star power to lure little (white) boys to his home to engage in intercourse with them.

Jackson was a black man, and in this country, it doesn’t matter how much money or power you have, you’re still seen as “different” or “less-than” in the eyes of white society. In most cases, you’re guilty of…something. In Jackson’s case, it was pedophilia, and no proof to exonerate him will be admissible.

Believe the victims. Believe the white men. Believe the white-owned media who believe the white men.

The news media believed the words of Robson and Safechuck and praised Reed for his film. There were NO questions asked as to the validity of the two men’s stories, two men with questionable backgrounds. There was no search to how accurate their testimonies are. No evidence to strengthen their stories, according to those who’ve seen the film. No interviews with other people aside from the men and, according to writer Stereo Williams, “…Someone reacting to what they’ve been told by Robson and Safechuck.” Not even the director is scrutinized. He was mostly placed on a pedestal as a man supposedly exposing a dirty secret. Simultaneously, most opinion writers chastised Jackson’s fans, supporters and critics of Neverland as “stans, truthers, cultists, conspiracy theorists” and even “rape apologists” for thinking that their idol was innocent and that Robson and Safechuck are liars without any investigations or interviews. While some may be, it’s a broad and damaging statement to dish out to all who have questions and doubts about the film and the accusations it presented.

The verdict was clear.

Detractors often cite the Me Too and Time’s Up movements as the reasons why the news media seems largely supportive of the film. The narrative has been about giving victims of sex-based crimes a voice and more credibility. Though, I think it’s unfair to blame the movements for the media’s appreciative response to the film, I think it shows that journalism has fallen off their mission of fact-finding for the sake of agenda pushing. The current atmosphere has largely been anti-Jackson with conversations surrounding the age old mystery of separating the art from the artist, the possibility of rewriting Jackson’s history and the side-effects of hero worship. All the while, the news continues to bury Jackson without much contemplation about the validity of the accusers and the director and how race was possibly a key component in not only the film’s creation but how the media saw it.

The news media grasped reactionary politics as the film’s emotional intensity seems to conclude that it’s true and that it’s a final nail in the coffin for his legacy.

It also seems that the media seems more invested and harsher when crime suspects are black, and black celebrities seem more insatiable to them. Extensive coverage of O.J. Simpson’s ordeal, Bill Cosby’s rape accusations and R. Kelly’s abuse to women seems to garner more attention than Harvey Weinstein, Louis C. K, Kevin Spacey and even Donald Trump. And now, we’re back on Michael Jackson yet again, and more than usual, it seems.

I know I’ll catch flack for some of my points. But I stress that I’m not against any movement against sex-based crimes or any crime for that matter. I also do not think that the aforementioned men are innocent of their crimes. And yes, there are rapists who happen to be black men, but black men are not rapists by design. So, it shouldn’t come to a surprise why I’m wary about this and other cases given this country’s history grappling with the dangerous and destructive myth of the black male rapist. It’s so strong that mere accusations alone are causes for severe punishment not just for the suspect but entire communities, whether there’s evidence or not. And it should surprise NO ONE that black skin is continuously condemned as this country’s undeniable proof of deviance.

As a citizen of the black community, I want to know when the documentary about Weinstein’s accusations will come to network television. I want to know if there will be damning films about David Bowie, John Lennon or even Charles Dickens. Will we remove their works or anything associated with them from our public institutions? Will we defame them even though they’re no longer here to defend themselves, or are there exceptions to the rule we won’t divulge? Well there be documentaries concerning accusations against them? Will we have to rewrite books based on their lives? Will Oprah do a talk show special with the victims of director Bryan Singer or better yet, Harvey Weinstein?

Do the underlying answers to these questions as well as the whole Neverland fiasco have anything to do with this nation’s eternal mission of protecting whiteness?

A friend of mine from high school said that “it’s” not wrong, unless black people do it. “It” could mean literally anything. In this case, It’s apparently “not as bad”, unless black people do it. “It”, in this case is any form of lawbreaking or contemptible sin. So, it should be understandable why it looks like the media is wrapped heavily about Neverland as opposed to the Weinstein trial.

As someone who felt slighted by a media I thought was more progressive than it is, I wonder why are they so convinced about a movie that has been described as “one-sided” and decided to outright believe it even though it’s deemed problematic from various angles, two of which come from two men, one with a history of changing his stories, and discovered inaccuracies of their testimonies.

Yes, trauma victims can get confused, and their memories can be fractured. But it’s unwise to not consider any suspicion in any case and that there are indeed some people who would stoop low enough to hijack a movement for personal gain. Are Robson and Safechuck such people? That would require investigative journalism and not a drone-like assumption that all who claim victimhood are actual victims.

I know this will spark outrage. I know this isn’t a popular opinion. But if this is what “journalism” and “news” has come down to, I want NO part of it. And this isn’t coming from a “fan” or a “stan”, but someone who expected more from a media I thought was more progressive than this. Michael Jackson, to me, is innocent until proven guilty. Leaving Neverland hasn’t really proved anything and it won’t likely spell the end of Jackson’s legacy, and it’s messed up that some people see it their mission to do so if he was truly innocent. All in all, I greatly doubt such a film or kind of treatment would’ve been made or even supported as much as it is had Jackson been born racially white.

Prove me wrong.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...-Jackson-Leaving-Neverland-the-Media-and-Race
 
Prince is MJ son, for me, he must defend his father.
Some fans prefer that he ignore LN and his accusations to not attract trolls.. REALLY!
Are fans afraid of trolls or that no one defended MJ?
Are fans afraid of trolls or that LN was broadcast in Europe and available on Netflix?
Are fans afraid of trolls or that the website haters are easily founded in Google?

Prince Michael has been completing his studies in order to graduate. It must have been very difficult for him, with all the adverse articles about his father in the press while he was studying and taking final exams. You know that any mention of LN from the family is picked up by the press and gives the press another opportunity to REPEAT the allegations.

Do I think fans are emotionally affected by the allegations to the same extent as MJ's children? No, we are not, however hard the allegations are to hear. We can escape them, MJ's children cannot, whatever they do and wherever they go for the rest of their lives these allegations will be with MJ's children EVERY DAY. You appear to have almost no empathy with or understanding for Michael's children, which I find to be very unusual and hard to understand in a so-called fan.
 
myosotis;4257930 said:
Another good article:

Believe White People: Michael Jackson, Leaving Neverland, the Media and Race
by Brotha Wolf

First off, I want to say that I am NOT writing this from a liberal or conservative point-of-view, nor am I writing this as an ardent fan of Michael Jackson. I’m not a journalist or author. I’m just a concerned citizen.

I will also say that I have not nor will I plan to watch the “documentary” Leaving Neverland. (I’ll explain why I use that word in quotes later.) I know that this admission alone will render the rest of this essay irrelevant as watching the film is a requirement for critiquing it. This entire essay may not get to be published at all. However, I WON’T critique the film, but I WILL express my thoughts and feelings of the mainstream media and society’s overall positive reaction to it.

Michael Jackson’s legacy as arguably the greatest entertainer the world is well-earned and has remained strong, especially ever after his death. The pedophilic accusations that have dogged him for the latter half of his life seemed like a distant memory for years or at least an insignificant thought. Then, in 2019, the accusations resurfaced in a “documentary” that has caught the world’s – the West at least – attention. Leaving Neverland is a two-part, four hour-long film directed by British filmmaker Dan Reed. It features testimony by two of Jackson’s accusers, Wade Robson and James Safechuck. The general news media’s responses to the film included words like “harrowing” and “disturbing”. As such, they concluded that the film is the final nail in the coffin. Even Oprah Winfrey decided to air a special featuring Reed, Robson and Safechuck, and it seemed like the special further cemented Jackson as a disgusting pedophile apparently without question or objections.

In almost no time later, cancel or mute culture emerged in the form of removing Jackson’s songs from the playlists of a few radio stations around the world. Statues of him were removed from public places. One way or another, Michael Jackson was erased despite the same media’s sharp advisories against such moves.

Still, with ONE film with apparently nothing other than testimonies from two men, the mainly “liberal” media and those who turn to them for news and information have collectively indicted Michael Jackson as a smooth criminal and believed the testimonies of Robson and Safechuck instantaneously.

And I would’ve too if I didn’t stop and think about a few things.

Ordinarily, I would’ve jumped on and sided with the accusers, even though I never saw nor plan to see the film. But I asked myself, why would, or rather why SHOULD I believe a film that’s considered a “documentary”, especially if the media says so? It seemed suspicious, especially when the director claimed that the film isn’t about Michael Jackson. Pardon me, but how could it not be when it’s about two men who claim to be victims of the late superstar? Also, why would I watch a film meant to shed light on a terrible crime when the director describes it as more of a “love story”? And due to me being a black man in America, why Michael Jackson, another black man, of all people? It was then I CHOSE to see the massive elephant in the room: race.

As a member of “the other” and given the history and treatment towards non-mainstream populations, I can’t help but suspect and observe how Jackson’s legacy is treated as opposed to other luminaries accused of similar or worse crimes who have a lighter skin hue than mine. Granted, in his later years, Jackson’s skin was brightened, but he was still a black man in America.

Of course, people will vehemently object that the Neverland backlash has any hint of racism, and to suggest otherwise is to – at worst – blame the “victims”. I will most likely be called a ‘stan’ or worse, a rape apologist. But I couldn’t help but feel that the media backlash had something to do with the fact that Jackson was black and his accusers and the director are all white. So, I wonder if the “believing the victim” plea in this case is more like the case of “believing white victims”, a plea that has led to the oppression and murder of black people for ages. A simple rape accusation from a white woman would lead to the death and destruction of African-Americans and even whole black communities whether it happened or not. And even though that’s not likely to happen from this case – this time, it’s white men – there’s an aura of terminating Jackson’s history and legacy by word alone that conjures immediate fears and the notion that white people claiming victimhood status and where the suspect is black are to be believed no questions asked.

Yes, Michael Jackson was wealthy during his time and as the liberal way of thinking suggests, he’s part of the corrupt power structure within the music industry by association. With these allegations levied against him – again - even after his death through a motion picture, he’s considered the “enemy”. We decide that he used his star power to lure little (white) boys to his home to engage in intercourse with them.

Jackson was a black man, and in this country, it doesn’t matter how much money or power you have, you’re still seen as “different” or “less-than” in the eyes of white society. In most cases, you’re guilty of…something. In Jackson’s case, it was pedophilia, and no proof to exonerate him will be admissible.

Believe the victims. Believe the white men. Believe the white-owned media who believe the white men.

The news media believed the words of Robson and Safechuck and praised Reed for his film. There were NO questions asked as to the validity of the two men’s stories, two men with questionable backgrounds. There was no search to how accurate their testimonies are. No evidence to strengthen their stories, according to those who’ve seen the film. No interviews with other people aside from the men and, according to writer Stereo Williams, “…Someone reacting to what they’ve been told by Robson and Safechuck.” Not even the director is scrutinized. He was mostly placed on a pedestal as a man supposedly exposing a dirty secret. Simultaneously, most opinion writers chastised Jackson’s fans, supporters and critics of Neverland as “stans, truthers, cultists, conspiracy theorists” and even “rape apologists” for thinking that their idol was innocent and that Robson and Safechuck are liars without any investigations or interviews. While some may be, it’s a broad and damaging statement to dish out to all who have questions and doubts about the film and the accusations it presented.

The verdict was clear.

Detractors often cite the Me Too and Time’s Up movements as the reasons why the news media seems largely supportive of the film. The narrative has been about giving victims of sex-based crimes a voice and more credibility. Though, I think it’s unfair to blame the movements for the media’s appreciative response to the film, I think it shows that journalism has fallen off their mission of fact-finding for the sake of agenda pushing. The current atmosphere has largely been anti-Jackson with conversations surrounding the age old mystery of separating the art from the artist, the possibility of rewriting Jackson’s history and the side-effects of hero worship. All the while, the news continues to bury Jackson without much contemplation about the validity of the accusers and the director and how race was possibly a key component in not only the film’s creation but how the media saw it.

The news media grasped reactionary politics as the film’s emotional intensity seems to conclude that it’s true and that it’s a final nail in the coffin for his legacy.

It also seems that the media seems more invested and harsher when crime suspects are black, and black celebrities seem more insatiable to them. Extensive coverage of O.J. Simpson’s ordeal, Bill Cosby’s rape accusations and R. Kelly’s abuse to women seems to garner more attention than Harvey Weinstein, Louis C. K, Kevin Spacey and even Donald Trump. And now, we’re back on Michael Jackson yet again, and more than usual, it seems.

I know I’ll catch flack for some of my points. But I stress that I’m not against any movement against sex-based crimes or any crime for that matter. I also do not think that the aforementioned men are innocent of their crimes. And yes, there are rapists who happen to be black men, but black men are not rapists by design. So, it shouldn’t come to a surprise why I’m wary about this and other cases given this country’s history grappling with the dangerous and destructive myth of the black male rapist. It’s so strong that mere accusations alone are causes for severe punishment not just for the suspect but entire communities, whether there’s evidence or not. And it should surprise NO ONE that black skin is continuously condemned as this country’s undeniable proof of deviance.

As a citizen of the black community, I want to know when the documentary about Weinstein’s accusations will come to network television. I want to know if there will be damning films about David Bowie, John Lennon or even Charles Dickens. Will we remove their works or anything associated with them from our public institutions? Will we defame them even though they’re no longer here to defend themselves, or are there exceptions to the rule we won’t divulge? Well there be documentaries concerning accusations against them? Will we have to rewrite books based on their lives? Will Oprah do a talk show special with the victims of director Bryan Singer or better yet, Harvey Weinstein?

Do the underlying answers to these questions as well as the whole Neverland fiasco have anything to do with this nation’s eternal mission of protecting whiteness?

A friend of mine from high school said that “it’s” not wrong, unless black people do it. “It” could mean literally anything. In this case, It’s apparently “not as bad”, unless black people do it. “It”, in this case is any form of lawbreaking or contemptible sin. So, it should be understandable why it looks like the media is wrapped heavily about Neverland as opposed to the Weinstein trial.

As someone who felt slighted by a media I thought was more progressive than it is, I wonder why are they so convinced about a movie that has been described as “one-sided” and decided to outright believe it even though it’s deemed problematic from various angles, two of which come from two men, one with a history of changing his stories, and discovered inaccuracies of their testimonies.

Yes, trauma victims can get confused, and their memories can be fractured. But it’s unwise to not consider any suspicion in any case and that there are indeed some people who would stoop low enough to hijack a movement for personal gain. Are Robson and Safechuck such people? That would require investigative journalism and not a drone-like assumption that all who claim victimhood are actual victims.

I know this will spark outrage. I know this isn’t a popular opinion. But if this is what “journalism” and “news” has come down to, I want NO part of it. And this isn’t coming from a “fan” or a “stan”, but someone who expected more from a media I thought was more progressive than this. Michael Jackson, to me, is innocent until proven guilty. Leaving Neverland hasn’t really proved anything and it won’t likely spell the end of Jackson’s legacy, and it’s messed up that some people see it their mission to do so if he was truly innocent. All in all, I greatly doubt such a film or kind of treatment would’ve been made or even supported as much as it is had Jackson been born racially white.

Prove me wrong.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...-Jackson-Leaving-Neverland-the-Media-and-Race
Great article. I will be commenting in the comment section when I get home. Cant do it at work. And I will response to some of those posters in the article. Some are clearly trolls. Some of them are proving this writer's point.And I bet those few trolls can not tell ya nothing about the testimony, lies revealed, etc at trial or in MJ's case. Haters/Trolls never do.
 
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Can Michael kids and family do anything? i read somewhere they can't because Michael is gone and he isn't here to defend his self. these guys lying anyway so the estate gonna win anyway so i'm not even worried about it. :laughing: this whole thing is stupid and waste of time. it's actually laughable because they think they gonna get some money. LOL! they ain't getting nothing.

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I actually feel bad for everyone who took apart of this mockumentary. cause after this nobody won't have nothing to do with them anymore. all of them are screwed. so just get ready. they already pretty much screw at this point actually.

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I'm a fan of MJ, not his children. It's easy to understand.
Prince Jackson deals with the name of his father. That's a fact.
Some fans are afraid of trolls and tabloids to not repeat the allegations!!
Are you serious? These allegations exist since 1993 and you are afraid of their repeat?
You want to see more defense for MJ or you are afraid of reading trolls?
Trolls will die, allegations no.

You need to respect his kids whatever you like them or not. like or not that's his children.
 
I'm a fan of MJ, not his children. It's easy to understand.
Prince Jackson deals with the name of his father. That's a fact.
Some fans are afraid of trolls and tabloids to not repeat the allegations!!
Are you serious? These allegations exist since 1993 and you are afraid of their repeat?
You want to see more defense for MJ or you are afraid of reading trolls?
Trolls will die, allegations no.

You right about the trolls though. it's better just ignore them.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">lmao f*cking s*it the lies run wild among everyone involved in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a>. <a href="https://t.co/qvpV16rvkm">https://t.co/qvpV16rvkm</a></p>&mdash; DespicableDrew (@DespicableDrew) <a href="https://twitter.com/DespicableDrew/status/1128327655898664962?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">14. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a> please share and RT &#10084;&#65039;<br><br>Hamburg fireworks 2 hours ago (follow link for video). Mute who? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AmplifyMJ?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AmplifyMJ</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaeljackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BJackson82?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BJackson82</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/jermjackson5?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jermjackson5</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/titojackson5?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@titojackson5</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TheMJCast?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheMJCast</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJLegion?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MJJLegion</a> <br><br> <a href="https://t.co/ziGJNy43ii">https://t.co/ziGJNy43ii</a></p>&mdash; MG (@beatlejuiceMG) <a href="https://twitter.com/beatlejuiceMG/status/1127354466808811521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">11. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wrong again, Dan. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a>'s music is currently more popular than ever - as a result of YOUR dog shit &quot;documentary.&quot;<br><br>Don't you ever get tired of being wrong? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJTruthSquad?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJTruthSquad</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FactsdontLiePeopledo?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FactsdontLiePeopledo</a> <a href="https://t.co/HmZVZY1qfC">pic.twitter.com/HmZVZY1qfC</a></p>&mdash; KerryWard (@FallAgainMJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/FallAgainMJ/status/1128316613428678657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">14. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Very good article! <a href="https://twitter.com/CEThomson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CEThomson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Zigmanfreud</a> Believe White People: Michael Jackson, Leaving Neverland, the Media and Race <a href="https://t.co/7249as03hj">https://t.co/7249as03hj</a></p>&mdash; Julie Boisvert (@juliamjfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/juliamjfan/status/1128288370118090754?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">14. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The new episode of WATZ podcast covers a LOT of ground. It features a very positive <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> update, the amazing story of my confrontation with new anchor of <a href="https://twitter.com/CBSNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CBSNews</a> My thoughts on Ben Shapiro, &amp; how I may have influenced <a href="https://twitter.com/TheGoldbergsABC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheGoldbergsABC</a> finale. <a href="https://t.co/PmLXRb9WFr">https://t.co/PmLXRb9WFr</a></p>&mdash; John Ziegler (@Zigmanfreud) <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1127332881980841984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">11. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here's my article ,“Michael Jackson’s Trial in the court of Public Opinion”. (I accidentally deleted my pinned tweet) <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverlandLIES?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverlandLIES</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://t.co/lkZIZdubZV">https://t.co/lkZIZdubZV</a></p>&mdash; TIRED OF INJUSTICE (@deboleena_) <a href="https://twitter.com/deboleena_/status/1127939275826155520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">13. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chance The Rapper Calls Michael Jackson The Role Model For His Philanthropy – UPROXX <a href="https://t.co/tiavbBbkyx">https://t.co/tiavbBbkyx</a></p>&mdash; Dr. Andrew Greene (@AndrewGreene864) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewGreene864/status/1128136517573054469?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">14. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Jackson's one-time bodyguard defends his former boss <a href="https://t.co/ozdfkVC106">https://t.co/ozdfkVC106</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/MailOnline?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MailOnline</a></p>&mdash; Bill Whitfield (@MJBODYGUARDS) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJBODYGUARDS/status/1128057931948101633?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">13. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dr. Todd Grande of Wilmington University's College of Social and Behavioral Sciences dissects <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a>. Finds it one-sided and &quot;exceedingly boring.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/IvA7eLVCVT">https://t.co/IvA7eLVCVT</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/YouTube?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@YouTube</a></p>&mdash; Leaving Neverland Facts (@NeverlandFacts) <a href="https://twitter.com/NeverlandFacts/status/1128340633138032641?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">14. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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I actually feel bad for everyone who took apart of this mockumentary. cause after this nobody won't have nothing to do with them anymore. all of them are screwed. so just get ready. they already pretty much screw at this point actually.

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Which will make them more desperate to earn money. This will be their only stream of money for a long while, so I can see Wade especially taking on this "role" of an abused. He won't work another day on this town again. He wants to be a director but no one will work with him because as much damage he's done - the longer this goes on - the doubts will sink in and cement themselves into doubts about what the accusers have said. Who will want to work with him?
 
Which will make them more desperate to earn money. This will be their only stream of money for a long while, so I can see Wade especially taking on this "role" of an abused. He won't work another day on this town again. He wants to be a director but no one will work with him because as much damage he's done - the longer this goes on - the doubts will sink in and cement themselves into doubts about what the accusers have said. Who will want to work with him?
Oh it is going to blow up in both Wade/James/Dan face. It is happening now. by the way, MJLIVE is coming to Savannah, Ga. People are EXCITED.
 
I actually feel bad for everyone who took apart of this mockumentary. cause after this nobody won't have nothing to do with them anymore. all of them are screwed. so just get ready. they already pretty much screw at this point actually.

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I do not feel bad for them. At the end of the day, EVERYONE even those who pushed and reported this trash did it for $$$$$$$.
 
On a slightly different note but just to show people the length some people will go to lie. There is an article about a guy on the BBC website that claimed to have been abused by some famous people.

A piece of that article

Mr Beech, formerly from Gloucester and known as "Nick" when he first made the claims, was in Newcastle Crown Court on Tuesday for the start of his trial.

He claimed that he was first sexually abused by his stepfather, Major Ray Beech, when he was seven years old and went on to allege abuse by a group of public figures, including from politics and the military.

Among those he accused was former Conservative prime minister Sir Edward Heath, ex-Tory home secretary Lord Brittan, former head of the armed forces Lord Bramall and former Conservative MP Harvey Proctor.

The jury was told Mr Beech picked his "targets" after browsing the internet......

...He first contacted Wiltshire Police in 2012 with allegations of abuse by his stepfather as well as Jimmy Savile. Between 2014 and 2016 he made further allegations to the Met Police, with a list of alleged abusers.


He is now on trial but that was only after an extensive enquiry by the police against the accused and they found nothing, then decided to investigate the alleged victim.

So should we still just believe victims without any fact checking!!

The sad thing is Mr Brittan and a wife of one of the accused died during the Police investigations.
 
I'm a fan of MJ, not his children. It's easy to understand.
Prince Jackson deals with the name of his father. That's a fact.
Some fans are afraid of trolls and tabloids to not repeat the allegations!!
Are you serious? These allegations exist since 1993 and you are afraid of their repeat?
You want to see more defense for MJ or you are afraid of reading trolls?
Trolls will die, allegations no.

You really bring this place down.
 
You really bring this place down.

My comments cannot be compared to the comments of some members about MJ on MJJC in February-March, or those who have created accounts to make trolls about MJ.
You want to see the sun shining about ! Not for me.
 
My comments cannot be compared to the comments of some members about MJ on MJJC in February-March, or those who have created accounts to make trolls about MJ.
You want to see the sun shining about ! Not for me.
Stop derailing this thread with your constant disrespect for Michael's children. No one wants to see it. You've been warned several times about this. If you can't be respectful to Michael's children, then don't say anything.
 
Rapper ASAP Rocky has my respect.

ASAP Rocky speaking truth about Michael Jackson and the fake media. I had never heard of Rocky @asvpxrocky before but he has my respect now. Thanks man!

https://twitter.com/GMJHDvideos/status/1087068456678232064?s=09

There's the video. Dude is highly sympathatic to Mike there. Says Mike didn't die because of pills and that doctor, it's the people and media with the fake rumors and everything.
 
I'm not sure. Tbh I've never seen a soundtrack on sale for any documentary, let alone one about abuse. They'll be selling t-shirts next.

Funny you should mention that; I have seen posters of LN for sale on eBay. Not sure who's buying that, but okay.
 
LN will be broadcasted in South Korea in June.
And you really think that HBO is afraid of the Estate?


Who's cares. i'm pretty sure half of people in south korea knows it's a joke. hopefully not many people will watch it.

your right about that. HBO got money but everyone knows the facts. if HBO wins they will need to get sued and go out of business. cause at this point i'm done with them. i actually been done with them since i first heard about this mockumentary.
 
Funny you should mention that; I have seen posters of LN for sale on eBay. Not sure who's buying that, but okay.

I have too and been reporting them to ebay. i also been messaging the sellers. let me tell you, half these sellers believe in this mockumentary and half of them i got into argument with. ugh. it's crazy. hopefully by the end of this year everything will be back to normal and pass on. there's alot of things that been taken down since this stupid mockumentary came out. i hope all the things that been taken down will be put back. somethings gonna be moved to other places and taken by fans.

it's really sad how it got to this point. boy i hope and pray that things will get better and that all things that have been damage be undamaged. i'm sorry Michael,his fans,and family are going though this.

let there be more light. then it is now.

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Which will make them more desperate to earn money. This will be their only stream of money for a long while, so I can see Wade especially taking on this "role" of an abused. He won't work another day on this town again. He wants to be a director but no one will work with him because as much damage he's done - the longer this goes on - the doubts will sink in and cement themselves into doubts about what the accusers have said. Who will want to work with him?

I agree with everything you said. exactly. probably a MJ hater. like Okra and John "legend".
 
I have too and been reporting them to ebay. i also been messaging the sellers. let me tell you, half these sellers believe in this mockumentary and half of them i got into argument with. ugh. it's crazy. hopefully by the end of this year everything will be back to normal and pass on. there's a lot of things that been taken down since this stupid mockumentary came out. i hope all the things that been taken down will be put back. somethings gonna be moved to other places and taken by fans.

it's really sad how it got to this point. boy i hope and pray that things will getting better and that all things that have been damage be undamaged. i'm sorry Michael,his fans,and family are going though this.

let there be more light. then it is now.

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For anyone to be "selling" anything from this trash lets you know their motives. those fools do not care about truth, they care about making money. This is a way to try to make money. Nothing more.
 
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