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Did MJ lie about the amount of surgery he had?

MarriedtoMichaelinmyheart said:
In my Idea ... either He lied or said the truth, I suggest that we Respect His Words, no matter lie or Truth.

I will always tell people what He always said cause that what He wishes people to know. :rollingpeace:
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I do the same! whether he lied or not is irrelevant, that's what he WANTED us to know. and if he lied because he didn't want everyone to know the truth, because, really, it's no ones business, I totally can understand that and I respect that. if was me, I would have said directly, none of your damn business, and I think he should have done the same
however, I'm more interested in making people understand that it's not important and not to believe everything they read. if someone brings it up (someone who's not a fan), I just say I don't know how much surgery he's had, I've never asked him
that's not because I don't believe him, but as I said, because it's not important to try and convince people that he didn't have that much surgery, but to make them understand it's not important how much he had, and not to believe everything they read and not to judge. sometimes I have also said, yea, I am so thankful he's had all that surgery, look how beautiful it has made him :wub:
and I don't give a rats ass what people think
 
I don't think anyone is being disrespectful by stating they believe he lied about surgeries.. I (and I am sure am speaking for some other fans) understand why he would lie about it, he's gotten a lot of scrutiny over it and it's not something very comfortable to talk about.. It comes with pain, and I am sure he battled just within himself on WHY change so it becomes very difficult to articulate especially when you know the media will dissect every word and use it against him..

Just because I visually see more than 3 surgeries and I state so - that's not being disrespectful in my view.. and I am not one to say "yes" to everything just cuz Mike said so.. We all know what "Yes men" around Michael caused.. it's unhealthy.. and it's not love
 
KOPV said:
I don't think anyone is being disrespectful by stating they believe he lied about surgeries.. I (and I am sure am speaking for some other fans) understand why he would lie about it, he's gotten a lot of scrutiny over it and it's not something very comfortable to talk about.. It comes with pain, and I am sure he battled just within himself on WHY change so it becomes very difficult to articulate especially when you know the media will dissect every word and use it against him..

Just because I visually see more than 3 surgeries and I state so - that's not being disrespectful in my view.. and I am not one to say "yes" to everything just cuz Mike said so.. We all know what "Yes men" around Michael caused.. it's unhealthy.. and it's not love
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what the...? I never said that anyone is being disrespectful, or any of those other things you mentioned?? how did you get that out of my post?? lol all I said was what I say to other people, I didn't say anything about people HERE are being disrespectful or anything like that at all. I merely said what I SAY to people who are NOT fans, when they bring it up, like if it's the only thing they focus on, instead of the music. what's true and not true about how much surgery he had is completely irrelevant, and I try to get people to not focus on it so much when they talk to directly to me about it, face to face. that's all I said, but yea, as usual, being misunderstood :unsure:
 
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1nn5 said:
Karen Faye on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/wingheart/status/760135635604606976
https://twitter.com/wingheart/status/760138339114561536
https://twitter.com/wingheart/status/760138682212888576
https://twitter.com/wingheart/status/760140897493188608 :eek:
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Well damn.
He really couldn't trust anybody not to tell the world his business.
I bet Michael could've counted on one hand how many true friends he had.
It's even more messed up because the majority of the people that MJ thought cared about him, and that he cared about were/are always the first ones to stab him in the back. :/
 
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Michael Lover you didn't say it, the post above yours...

"..either He lied or said the truth, I suggest that we Respect His Words, no matter lie or Truth."

That's what I was referring to!!
 
Pink Diamond Princess said:
Well damn.
He really couldn't trust anybody not to tell the world his business.
I bet Michael could've counted on one hand how many true friends he had.
It's even more messed up because the majority of the people that MJ thought cared about him, and that he cared about were/are always the first ones to stab him in the back. :/
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Why do not you see what she said on the other hand ? She tells how Michael suffered from the behavior of others, I do not think that it intends to unveil the secrets of a person with whom she has worked over 20 years .
 
1nn5 said:
Why do not you see what she said on the other hand ? She tells how Michael suffered from the behavior of others, I do not think that it intends to unveil the secrets of a person with whom she has worked over 20 years .
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Yeah. This story is already known too, I read in that book My Friend Michael by Frank Cascio a few years back.

Poor guy :(
 
1nn5 said:
Why do not you see what she said on the other hand ? She tells how Michael suffered from the behavior of others, I do not think that it intends to unveil the secrets of a person with whom she has worked over 20 years .
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HIStoric said:
Yeah. This story is already known too, I read in that book My Friend Michael by Frank Cascio a few years back.

Poor guy :(
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Why do you not see that she doesn't need to be answering fan questions on Twitter?
Her Twitter fingers are going to get her in trouble sooner or later when she says something that she shouldn't have, and IMO whether the story is already known doesn't matter because it's not her job to tell it.
I also think we are all aware that Michael suffered from the behavior of others and don't need her to tell us. :/

Lastly, when it comes to MJ don't be surprised at what anyone intends to do.
So far Karen hasn't done anything, but when it comes to MJ I'm never sure and nothing surprises me.
 
1nn5 said:
Why do not you see what she said on the other hand ? She tells how Michael suffered from the behavior of others, I do not think that it intends to unveil the secrets of a person with whom she has worked over 20 years .
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what she shared was very personal. whether the story was already know doesn't matter, she shouldn't tell such personal things. do you think Michael would approve of her telling this?
 
I don't know if he ever intentionally lied, but he may have exaggerated depending on his own definition of "surgery". For example, his nose changed at least 3 times from the '80s to his death, and he mentions two of them in his "Moonwalk" biography. He also noted a cleft being added to his chin, but there may have been later operations to maintain the original changes. I think I read something once, about his third nose-job being done to help him breathe better...which would make sense given his inflamed lungs from the autopsy report.

Also, I think the loss of pigment from his skin due to vitiligo, drastically changed people's perceptions of exactly how much work was done. Having your nose or chin done is one thing alone, but the combination of his skin going pale likely heightened the assumptions of most.
 
Interesting. Apparently, I've been blocked by KF although I've never ever Tweeted her before. Just for the heck of it I decided to search my own tweets to see if I ever even talked about her. I did find some pretty old tweets where I said some maybe not so nice things about her. Woman's got no life lol. Now I'm curious.

As for the topic at hand, normally I avoid threads like these, but no one can really say how many surgeries he had and his medical info is really no one's business.
 
To answer the OP's question, YES MJ absolutely and categorically lied about the amount of durgey he had.
 
Why do fans only mind personal stories when they don't highlight Michael in a grandiose light... We can spend hours in 2000 watts section watching footage of MJ eating, going into stores, getting ready for bed, recording himself in the mirror.. Listen to the MJ tapes! but when someone says a story that strikes a nerve its like "how dare he/she?"

I am not saying I am for sharing personal stuff, but I'd be lying if I said It does not grab my attention the same way we dig for footage and fallow people on twitter just to maybe hear a story or see a pic of MJ..
 
It's not our business. He had every right to lie about the amount of surgery he had.

Edit: I meant to type lie not like.
 
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Galactus123 said:
It's not our business. He had every right to like about the amount of surgery he had.
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That is very true. Even more so since many people tried to reduce him to his face and what he did or did not do to it.

But:

As a fan, who always has been intrigued by Michael as an artist as well as a private person, I have to admit I DO want to know the truth. And I do wish that Michael really had done just very few surgeries. Because I admit that I do not like (the idea of) cosmetic surgery much. And I want Michael to have been basically content with his looks and not have much done to his face.

Am I making sense? I dunno... :blush:
 
While its not our business, I'd be fooling myself if I were to say it's not intriguing... I know I should probably not care nor should it matter but there is a guilty pleasure on knowing as much as I can about Michael... I know I am not the only one! I cant be.. We don't come to a forum just to read news, cuz we can google that..

When there is such a mystique around someone, people want to know. The same way kids want to catch santa! the thought of knowing Michael is something many fans have a desire to do.. even when it can be a bit invasive.. We read biographies to know more, we research to know, we study..

If It was just about the art fans would not camp outside of hotels, would not watch interviews, home videos etc.. we have watched MJ on security cameras and listened to private phone conversations but wondering about one obvious topic (cosmetic surgeries) THAT'S where we draw the line? lol!

Sorry but listening to his private calls (for example) to me is more invasive than talking about what we saw in public.. his changing appearance.. There is a thread on this forum dedicated to his "junk" for Gods sake! haha
 
it's not that I don't want to learn things about him, but there's a difference in him telling about it himself, and others doing it. especially such private things as the one Karen shared. I don't follow anyone on Twitter who knew him, or anything like that. I have NEVER read a book written about him by someone else. I don't watch private recordings of him. only the MJ Private Home Movies that he made himself. I don't listen to his private phone calls. and why they wait till he's dead to tell these things? because they're COWARDS, that's why. I don't care who it is or what it's about, if someone who knew him says something about him, no matter if it's positive or negative, that I haven't heard from himself, I take it with a grain of salt. why? because I don't trust anyone who knew him. Michael couldn't trust anyone? after all, he was the one who knew them. I have read HIS book, watched HIS interviews. I want to learn from him, not others. and if he lied about certain things, there's a reason for it. and whatever the reason is, I think it's none of our business
 
I don't believe Michael had that much plastic surgery. I read this blog article, and it confirmed some of what I thought before, especially regarding the makeup. Does anyone else notice that during the trial is nose is actually a bit wider then it had looked in the late 90s? I think a lot of that contouring.

Anyway, everyone should take a look at this blog post:

https://dancingwiththeelephant.wordpress.com/rereading-michael-jackson/
 
If Michael were still alive, most of the people who knew him or worked for him wouldn't be writing or telling such personal stories like the YRMW one. Frank had no right to write a tell-all saying such personal things Michael chose to keep for himself. Very tasteless of Karen writing those tweets but it was Frank who originally told that story, which is disloyal as well.
 
Very interesting thread and good read.

MJ's surgery and appearance always fascinates me, but in a good way. It adds to his overall mystique.

That said, I do remember in 2001 his lip being frozen and nose looking far too small. I assume in 2002 court pics his nose was being re built in some form.

By 'This Is It' he looked back to his fantastic handsome self though:D
 
threatened2020 said:
By 'This Is It' he looked back to his fantastic handsome self though:D
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I agree, with the curls, he looked like what he did 15/20 years prior, I think hair made a huge difference on him also, I saw a video when he briefly brought back the curls in 2002, he looked like a HIStory/Dangerous MJ.
 
issabreakofdawn said:
I agree, with the curls, he looked like what he did 15/20 years prior, I think hair made a huge difference on him also, I saw a video when he briefly brought back the curls in 2002, he looked like a HIStory/Dangerous MJ.
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Yes, he brought the curls backs on a visit to London in 2002. Looked so much better.

Strange how a hair cut can change a persons face so much. I leave my hair until I look like Worzel Gummidge and then I always feel like I've lost weight in my face when I get the mop chopped :laughing::laughing:
 
This is gonna turn into a " curls for mah gurls" thread now isnt it :love:

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