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What happened to Michael in the late nineties -2003?

Well michael had money so he could buy anything he wanted. hotel food is expensive and half of the time it doesn't taste good. it's like hospital food. it's best to bring your own food or just go to the nears restaurant.
 
LeslieMJ said:
Hi everyone,

As in the past I did plenty of researches on MJ's businesses from the late 90s / 00s, I find this topic interesting. I dug up some of my old blog posts that may help the new fans to understand MJ's state as a businessman at that time:

http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2010/08/old-projects-iv-jackson-international_08.html
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2010/08/old-projects-iii-ttc-touring-inc.html
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2010/07/old-projects-ii-mjj-poland-inc.html
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2010/07/old-projects-i-mj-licensing-llc.html
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2011/05/old-projects-vi-go-for-your-dreams.html
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2012/08/michael-jackson-asia-rights-co-ii.html
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2008/12/michael-jacksons-licensing-issues.html
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2008/04/tidbits-michael-jackson-mystery.html

If you read through these posts I think they give a clear picture. On the top of this MJ signed his first major loan in 1997 for 70M USD against his own publishing rights, and in 1999 against the Sony/ATV catalog for 150M USD. And there has been plenty of other initiatives from that time...
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That's probably explains why invincible was push back when it was suppose be released in 1999 like i said in another thread. thanks for the blog may look more into it.
 
LeslieMJ;4303853 said:
Hi everyone,

As in the past I did plenty of researches on MJ's businesses from the late 90s / 00s, I find this topic interesting. I dug up some of my old blog posts that may help the new fans to understand MJ's state as a businessman at that time:

http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2010/08/old-projects-iv-jackson-international_08.html
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2010/08/old-projects-iii-ttc-touring-inc.html
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2010/07/old-projects-ii-mjj-poland-inc.html
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2010/07/old-projects-i-mj-licensing-llc.html
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2011/05/old-projects-vi-go-for-your-dreams.html
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2012/08/michael-jackson-asia-rights-co-ii.html
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2008/12/michael-jacksons-licensing-issues.html
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2008/04/tidbits-michael-jackson-mystery.html

If you read through these posts I think they give a clear picture. On the top of this MJ signed his first major loan in 1997 for 70M USD against his own publishing rights, and in 1999 against the Sony/ATV catalog for 150M USD. And there has been plenty of other initiatives from that time...
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Hey, this looks interesting indeed. Thanks. :)

Loans aren’t always a bad thing in the business world, actually they’re quite common, but untangling all that stuff is complicated when you’re looking at it from the outside. So I’m looking forward to reading about your findings.

I also have the “Michael Jackson, Inc.” book, but it’s still on my to-read-stack.
 
Michael in 1995 (age 37)

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Michael in 2002 (age 44)

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Just regular aging if you ask me. I think he’s performing really well almost 7 years later, and he’s still the same person. ;)
 
Agree. alot people tend to forget Michael was aging as well just like the rest of us do. i say he was pretty good for his age until 2005 and this is it. things just when downhill after those. :(

it's comes a time when you have to stop doing things as you age. i'm not saying as you get older you can't do anything. i'm saying you have stop doing somethings because the body does wear out much faster.

michael should done 10 shows and hang it up. michael knew this too just didn't wanna seem "old". but he's forever our peter pan. r.i.p.
 
NatureCriminal7896;4303879 said:
it's comes a time when you have to stop doing things as you age. i'm not saying as you get older you can't do anything. i'm saying you have stop doing somethings because the body does wear out much faster.
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Yep. Maybe some of his sprained ankles and broken toes had to do with him trying out new dance moves that weren&#8217;t really suitable for his age bracket. ;)
 
ScreenOrigami;4303882 said:
Yep. Maybe some of his sprained ankles and broken toes had to do with him trying out new dance moves that weren&#8217;t really suitable for his age bracket. ;)
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age, past and future injuries, etc. it's all takes a toll on you once you get older.

in my opinion dangerous should of been his last tour. while i don't like history like that yes the comeback was great to say the media didn't destroy him. but he clearly was sick and tired alot. while being in your 30's isn't old due to the stuff that been say in this thread already and what i said up top.
 
Serious Effect;4303798 said:
When did Taylor say such a thing?
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It is not known when exactly Elizabeth Taylor said that thing to him, but it has been documented in books that it happened.

Also, American businessman David Geffen who knew Michael Jackson personally has hinted that certain of Michael Jackson&#8217;s alleged accidents/injuries were staged in order for him to get out of commitments or court appearances.
 
mj_frenzy;4303937 said:
It is not known when exactly Elizabeth Taylor said that thing to him, but it has been documented in books that it happened.

Also, American businessman David Geffen who knew Michael Jackson personally has hinted that certain of Michael Jackson&#8217;s alleged accidents/injuries were staged in order for him to get out of commitments or court appearances.
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So, based on your tabloid knowledge, you&#8217;re calling Michael a liar. Correct? When he says that he&#8217;s hurting because he broke his bones, that&#8217;s lie?

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Once again you&#8217;re not giving any sources for your claims, but even if you had a source, you&#8217;re believing some book over Michael&#8217;s own words?
 
ScreenOrigami;4303865 said:
I also have the &#8220;Michael Jackson, Inc.&#8221; book, but it&#8217;s still on my to-read-stack.
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It's a bit of a heavy read, but if you persist with it, you will find out MUCH information about Michael's business acumen and it will help to fill in some of the pieces of the puzzle.
 
I would go by Michael words then some book who didn't know him. then again michael wasn't a saint so i wouldn't be surprise if he told fibs sometimes. he was human.
 
mj_frenzy;4303937 said:
It is not known when exactly Elizabeth Taylor said that thing to him, but it has been documented in books that it happened.

Also, American businessman David Geffen who knew Michael Jackson personally has hinted that certain of Michael Jackson&#8217;s alleged accidents/injuries were staged in order for him to get out of commitments or court appearances.
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If you're going to say, "documented in books", you need to provide examples and quotes, otherwise it seems as though you're just making it up. Also....David Geffen "hinted"....hinted where? When? In an interview? Which one? How would he be in a position to know anything about Michael's medical history and injury records.

David Geffen turned out to be rather untrustworthy in relation to Michael, didn't he?
He screened "Leaving Neverland" on his yacht as part of Oprah Winfrey's big birthday bash last year.

Just because certain people thought Michael was faking his injuries, it doesn't mean that he actually did. Also, I don't see how seeing him on crutches in court would engender any sympathy for him, at all. It would be just another day at the office, for most people. In fact, in the 2005 trial,when Michael hurt his back, the judge ordered that he get out of bed, or out of hospital (wherever he was) and show up in court in whatever he was wearing, otherwise he was going to rule contempt of court against him. Not very sympathetic, I would say.

PLEASE stop regurgitating unfounded statements from nebulous, unreliable sources, or no sources at all.
We are receiving a lot of complaints and reports about your posts.
 
Mikky Dee;4303955 said:
It's a bit of a heavy read, but if you persist with it, you will find out MUCH information about Michael's business acumen and it will help to fill in some of the pieces of the puzzle.
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Yeah, it appears to be well researched, with sources. Currently, MJ&#8217;s artistic side is still the priority for me as a new fan. So, it&#8217;ll likely remain on the to-read stack for a little while. :)
 
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You can add other members to your ignore list if you're that bothered by them.
 
Anna;4303965 said:
You can add other members to your ignore list if you're that bothered by them.
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There&#8217;s an &#8220;ignore&#8221; option on this forum?
 
Serious Effect;4303967 said:
There&#8217;s an &#8220;ignore&#8221; option on this forum?
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Go to a user's profile and look to the left for the 'Add to Ignore List' option.
 
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mj_frenzy;4303794 said:
I am very skeptical about the validity of certain of his accidents (falling in the bathroom, spider bites, twisting his ankle, etc) that he cites when he had to appear in court on specific dates.
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I posted a 4 page magazine article with photos of Michael’s spider bite injuries. You’re seriously doubting that this was a real incident? Do you ever look at anything that others are posting here?

https://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/144663-What-happened-to-Michael-in-the-late-nineties-2003?p=4303770&viewfull=1#post4303770
 
His own dr put the pictures of mjs spider bite on his practice website. He didnt name mj but put them up along with other patient's treatments to show different illnesses and how he treated them. When mj released the pics to prove it was true the fans picked up on the pictures on his drs website and realised it was mj

Not sure why mj would feel the need to lie to me when i asked him how his foot was on march 7th. And he told me he was in alot of pain with it. He had no audience.
 
elusive moonwalker;4303981 said:
His own dr put the pictures of mjs spider bite on his practice website. He didnt name mj but put them up along with other patient's treatments to show different illnesses and how he treated them. When mj released the pics to prove it was true the fans picked up on the pictures on his drs website and realised it was mj

Not sure why mj would feel the need to lie to me when i asked him how his foot was on march 7th. And he told me he was in alot of pain with it. He had no audience.
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Yeah, I know of other people who were bitten by a brown recluse spider (which seems to be the suspect here), and if you look up &#8220;brown recluse spider bite&#8221; on Google Images, you&#8217;ll find very similar photos. Some enzymes in the spider&#8217;s venom are practically eating the flesh away. This must be horribly painful, and Michael deserves compassion instead of unsubstantiated skepticism.
 
NatureCriminal7896;4303985 said:
sounds painful. how the heck he got bitten by that kind of spider?
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It&#8217;s a common species, and they&#8217;re also very small and easy to overlook. Michael said he noticed the bite when he woke up, so the spider seems to have walked around on his bed and at some point felt it was being attacked when Michael moved in his sleep.
 
NatureCriminal7896;4303991 said:
for a small spider it did more then bit him. o_O
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The actual bite is very small, but the venom that the spider releases into the wound eats the flesh that surrounds the bite. So the wound gets bigger. Michael may even have been bitten before he went to sleep, and simply didn&#8217;t notice it at first. It&#8217;s really a very small spider, so you may not even notice it when they bite.

I hope you all sleep well tonight. :laughing:
 
LeslieMJ said:
Hi everyone,

As in the past I did plenty of researches on MJ's businesses from the late 90s / 00s, I find this topic interesting. I dug up some of my old blog posts that may help the new fans to understand MJ's state as a businessman at that time:

http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2010/08/old-projects-iv-jackson-international_08.html
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2010/08/old-projects-iii-ttc-touring-inc.html
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2010/07/old-projects-ii-mjj-poland-inc.html
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2010/07/old-projects-i-mj-licensing-llc.html
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2011/05/old-projects-vi-go-for-your-dreams.html
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2012/08/michael-jackson-asia-rights-co-ii.html
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2008/12/michael-jacksons-licensing-issues.html
http://lesliemjhu.blogspot.com/2008/04/tidbits-michael-jackson-mystery.html

If you read through these posts I think they give a clear picture. On the top of this MJ signed his first major loan in 1997 for 70M USD against his own publishing rights, and in 1999 against the Sony/ATV catalog for 150M USD. And there has been plenty of other initiatives from that time...
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Thank you for this - will check these out!


Anna said:
Increased disconnection from the world, health issues, painkiller dependency, insecurity about his appearance and the media scrutiny, pressure to stay big in the music business, the distress and damage caused by the allegations, over-spending, surrounding himself with yes men. I think a combination of many things.
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This is how I feel too. Michael surrounding himself with unsavoury people became a feature of life from this period on. The only competent people I can remember being in his life post this period were T Mez and his team. Michael was such an odd mix of incredibly driven/ambitious and spiritual. I always wondered what he thought of the people in his life (managers, hangers on) from this time on and what it made him feel.

How did people feel about the Barbara Walters interview when it aired?
 
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How many of his accidents and injuries coincide with court dates and how many do not? Perhaps someone can make a list for easy reference.
 
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