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MJbr2 said:
I'm pretty sure you can't fairly compare a 4K remaster (upscale) of a SD tape source (Mariah's) to a 4K remaster of a 16mm/35mm source scanned in 4K (Roxette's and Rick's).
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Absolutely, my point was that a REAL 4K remaster isn't an upscale.
 
AdeZ said:
At the LA 2022 seminar, he mentioned 1983, maybe im mistaking it with being written in 1983 and not recorded, but that's what i heard.
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It's 1983. I always thought it was early 1984 but I think 1983 was confirmed. Same with Buffalo Bill. 1983.

Considered for Victory album.
 
AdeZ said:
Source of this info if you dont mind me asking?
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1541280833255772160
AdeZ said:
i'm very certain chicago 1945 will be on this release.
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I'm not so sure anymore honestly, so far we're already getting 2 unleaked demos, I wouldn't count on the Estate giving us more unleaked songs when there's still Thriller 50 to go (which is a bigger milestone), especially considering the song is fully complete and is probably one of the best songs in the vault.
 
AChanceToDance said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1541280833255772160

I'm not so sure anymore honestly, so far we're already getting 2 unleaked demos, I wouldn't count on the Estate giving us more unleaked songs when there's still Thriller 50 to go (which is a bigger milestone), especially considering the song is fully complete and is probably one of the best songs in the vault.
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thats from a private account, we cant see it.
 
Beano Wild said:
thats from a private account, we cant see it.
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Damn, my bad lol. The tweet comes from one of the people who went to the June 25th seminar and was one of the first people to talk about Chicago 1945 and they said that the song was written 1 week after Thriller's release and was recorded in 1983, I think the 1983 info came from them.
 
Well maybe Chicago 1945 is so good they want to hold it for another upcoming album but they already tried that and Steve said no way if they wanted to modernize it.
So Thriller 40 makes the most sense. Unless they hold it for another 10 years.
 
Derek1984 said:
Well maybe Chicago 1945 is so good they want to hold it for another upcoming album but they already tried that and Steve said no way if they wanted to modernize it.
So Thriller 40 makes the most sense. Unless they hold it for another 10 years.
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Steve has been finishing the track on his own, I think his problem was that they wanted to make a new song and just put MJ's vocals on top, like they did on Xscape, instead of finishing the track based on the demo.
 
AChanceToDance said:
I wouldn't count on the Estate giving us more unleaked songs when there's still Thriller 50 to go (which is a bigger milestone)
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What makes you think we'll have another thriller anniversary? They have milked thriller as much as they could. I swear after Thriller 40....I dont need another copy of this album. I know I have at least 6copies & that's not even the digital ones. They need to do everything for Thriller now! It'll still be available to the public just as is the original & 25th anniversary. It's not going anywhere & it's not gonna leave the number one spot of being the best selling album of all time!
 
wonderouzmj said:
What makes you think we'll have another thriller anniversary? They have milked thriller as much as they could. I swear after Thriller 40....I dont need another copy of this album. I know I have at least 6copies & that's not even the digital ones. They need to do everything for Thriller now! It'll still be available to the public just as is the original & 25th anniversary. It's not going anywhere & it's not gonna leave the number one spot of being the best selling album of all time!
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It's the Estate, they don't focus on Michael's career past the 80s for the most part and it's also the best selling album that pretty much defines Michael's career, the 50th anniversary is too big of a milestone for the Estate to just ignore.
 
AChanceToDance said:
It's the Estate, they don't focus on Michael's career past the 80s for the most part and it's also the best selling album that pretty much defines Michael's career, the 50th anniversary is too big of a milestone for the Estate to just ignore.
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How old are McClain and Branca anyways?
 
Technically, 'Chicago 1945' can belong (as an outtake) to more than one albums.

It can even be considered an outtake from the 'Invincible' album, because Rodney Jerkins reworked it for inclusion on that album.

In case it gets a release, it would be on an anniversary edition of the 'BAD' album, because the song is more linked to that album, and here is why:

Matt Forger stated that 'Chicago 1945' apparently has a loose connection to 'Al Capone' and also to 'Smooth Criminal' (i.e., 'Chicago 1945' formed the basis of 'Al Capone', and 'Al Capone' evolved into 'Smooth Criminal').

Also, it has been suggested that 'Chicago 1945' comes from the BAD era because of its appearance with its 'Chicago Nights' alternate title on the clapperboard inside the 'Moonwalker' film.
 
mj_frenzy said:
Matt Forger stated that 'Chicago 1945' apparently has a loose connection to 'Al Capone' and also to 'Smooth Criminal' (i.e., 'Chicago 1945' formed the basis of 'Al Capone', and 'Al Capone' evolved into 'Smooth Criminal').
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No, he didn’t. His exact quote:

“Chicago 1945” was done prior to “Al Capone.” It spoke about an era in time, about what was happening at that time in Chicago, that year. It was almost as if you were reading the newspapers at that time. It was a song that maybe Michael used as the idea for “Al Capone,” and “Al Capone” was the idea for “Smooth Criminal.” So maybe there were some similarities but this is a different song. “Al Capone” was a definite new approach and “Smooth Criminal” was much more refined.

He’s clearly speculating, given the concept of gangsters carrying over from one track to another. It’s guesswork, nothing more.
 
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Beano Wild said:
are the billie jean 16mm film tapes lost? the reason to why i ask is because in Moonwalker, Michael uses a copy of the vhs tape in the montage instead of rescanning the film, which he did for every other clip apart from the videos for the off the wall songs (because they were recorded on tape).

(moonwalker billie jean for reference)
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Good question. Could it be some weird rights issue? That's the only other reason I can think of. Beat it looks great though.
They should really package Thriller 4k with the new album tbh.
 
AlwaysThere said:
No, he didn’t. His exact quote:

“Chicago 1945” was done prior to “Al Capone. It spoke about an era in time, about what was happening at that time in Chicago, that year. It was almost as if you were reading the newspapers at that time. It was a song that maybe Michael used as the idea for “Al Capone,” and “Al Capone” was the idea for “Smooth Criminal.” So maybe there were some similarities but this is a different song. “Al Capone” was a definite new approach and “Smooth Criminal” was much more refined.

He’s clearly speculating, given the concept of gangsters carrying over from one track to another. It’s guesswork, nothing more.
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My man legit just consistently posts stuff that was debunked like 10 years ago as if it's fact.
 
mj_frenzy said:
Also, it has been suggested that 'Chicago 1945' comes from the BAD era because of its appearance with its 'Chicago Nights' alternate title on the clapperboard inside the 'Moonwalker' film.
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“Chicago Nights” was the working title for the ‘Smooth Criminal’ short film and has no connection whatsoever to the song Chicago 1945. It’s simply a coincidence that both titles contain the same word. Michael clearly had an affinity for that era and that place, so it isn’t surprising that he based three different songs, and thus three different stories, around the same concept.

Clearly Al Capone did inspire Smooth Criminal, not only lyrically, but also musically. Chicago 1945 did not.
 
Any guess on what might be the next revelation tomorrow?
 
Fuzball said:
Any guess on what might be the next revelation tomorrow?
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Starlight? Still hoping for a We Are The World Solo recording (not A demo), in the style of the released version, maybe Victory with Freddie M? Set It On Out?

And the Toy? are the lyrics diffrent than Best of Joy? Is Best of Joy recorded late 2000's? Can someone clare this out please? Thanks
 
AdeZ said:
i spoke to other attendees who confirmed this for me.

Here's a real question then, why is all of a sudden Steve attending many events when he hasnt really been attending since a good while as far as im aware, and the previous one (LA 2022) that he was at, he played the song, and spoke about how he's in the talks of getting the track released again, and he said he's been working on it again (at LA 2022). This is what makes me believe this is most likely going to be on Thriller 40.
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I thought the same thing but someone on the forum pointed out that he could be working on the song for an album that's coming out soon, why else would he rework on the song for an anniversary album when the Estate hasn't done that for any other song?

On a second thought Michael did rework on For All Time and Don't Be Messin' 'Round for Thriller 25 so anything is possible I guess. I don't count on the song coming out though because we're already getting 2 unleaked demos and from everything that's been pointing out we're mostly getting leaked demos and re-releases, I hope to be wrong though because I don't wanna wait much longer to hear a new song.
rbn said:
And the Toy? are the lyrics diffrent than Best of Joy? Is Best of Joy recorded late 2000's? Can someone clare this out please? Thanks
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Everything about the song is on this thread:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1571946900466847744
 
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rbn said:
Starlight? Still hoping for a We Are The World Solo recording (not A demo), in the style of the released version, maybe Victory with Freddie M? Set It On Out?

And the Toy? are the lyrics diffrent than Best of Joy? Is Best of Joy recorded late 2000's? Can someone clare this out please? Thanks
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In actuality, 'The Toy' was the original song which Michael Jackson recorded in the early '80s.

It was meant as the soundtrack for the American 'The Toy' comedy film (which came out in 1982).

'The Toy' became 'Best Of Joy' during the 'Dangerous' album sessions (in the early '90s).

There are very few lyrical differences between these two songs.

Michael Jackson reworked 'Best Of Joy' in late 2008, but other sources state that he reworked it in 2009.

In any case, 'Best Of Joy' was the very final song that Michael Jackson recorded before he died.
 
mj_frenzy said:
In any case, 'Best Of Joy' was the very final song that Michael Jackson recorded before he died.
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Not entirely true, it was one of the last songs he recorded full vocals for but it was by no means his last ever recording, there's also 2 other songs that Michael Prince said that were completed during the Bel-Air Hotel sessions and he also said that Stranger In Moscow and Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' were re-recorded in 2009 for the This Is It concerts. There's also rumors of scratch vocals being recorded in 2009 but nothing confirmed. Best Of Joy is by no means MJ's final song.
 
AChanceToDance said:
Not entirely true, it was one of the last songs he recorded full vocals for but it was by no means his last ever recording, there's also 2 other songs that Michael Prince said that were completed during the Bel-Air Hotel sessions and he also said that Stranger In Moscow and Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' were re-recorded in 2009 for the This Is It concerts. There's also rumors of scratch vocals being recorded in 2009 but nothing confirmed. Best Of Joy is by no means MJ's final song.
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What are those other two sing? Do we know?
 
AChanceToDance said:
Not entirely true, it was one of the last songs he recorded full vocals for but it was by no means his last ever recording, there's also 2 other songs that Michael Prince said that were completed during the Bel-Air Hotel sessions and he also said that Stranger In Moscow and Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' were re-recorded in 2009 for the This Is It concerts. There's also rumors of scratch vocals being recorded in 2009 but nothing confirmed. Best Of Joy is by no means MJ's final song.
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He said two songs were completed? Also it's likely that the SIM and WBSS recordings are not complete in any way.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
He said two songs were completed? Also it's likely that the SIM and WBSS recordings are not complete in any way.
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Yeah, MP said he has “a little bit” of SIM and WBSS recorded, which I suspect were used (at least in part) for This Is It.
 
I completely forgot about this song! There is a song called make a wish if I’m not mistaken that was produced by Buz Kohan from the Steven Spielberg movie. Is this the one he is singing? If so what are the chances of this one making it to thriller 40?

 
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