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I think we're going to get lyrically weak songs. because these songs are unfinished and called demos. I don't think there will be a hot street among these songs because hot street is a banger song. it doesn’t fit the album so far.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Impatiently waiting for them to post it on the website so we can reverse engineer next week’s announcement lmao.

Also, beating a dead horse here, but can they fire whoever the hell writes these blurbs? They’re so poorly worded, it’s astonishing.
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Tbh I have been wanting to say this for a while. It's pretty bad.
 
the orignal link is dead now, the one that gave us the Toy. we'll see what the photo will be under once they post it to the mj website.
 
this link was to this photo.
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At what time does itunes update theie T40 tracklist? I wanna know where exactly "The Toy" is placed on the tracklist.
 
telimens said:
I think we're going to get lyrically weak songs. because these songs are unfinished and called demos. I don't think there will be a hot street among these songs because hot street is a banger song. it doesn’t fit the album so far.
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Lmao its only 3 songs revealed. I'm 100% sure hot street will be included. I don't see why not. Anything from 81-85 is thriller era. Idc... fight me lol. But just because it came out after Thriller doesn't mean it's not worthy of that package. Who cares if it was written afterwards. It's not like it'll get a proper release for bad or etc. So I don't see why they wouldn't include hot street, got the hots, pyt demo, & a longer lady in my life...I really can't see why they wouldn't be included. The only song I think should not be included is that "cgootr" to me that is pure otw/wiz era (78-80).... that & slapstick. I listened to that the other day & it's like a Starlight & thriller difference! Especially hot street acapella!!!
 
I’m not familiar with the movie, so I’m very interested in hearing the lyrical content more than anything else. out of the posthumous songs, ‘best of joy’ was always one of my favourites 💜 he sounded free and wishful💜. there’s a real innocence there. makes sense that it originally came from ‘thriller’ as most of my favourites do 💜
 
AlwaysThere said:
Also, beating a dead horse here, but can they fire whoever the hell writes these blurbs? They’re so poorly worded, it’s astonishing.
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“It first became “I Am Your Joy” and ultimately evolved into a song Michael continued to work on for years which was ultimately released on the album, Michael and titled “Best Of Joy”.”

I guess they decided to use a comma instead of quotation marks. Lol. They also must love the word “ultimately”!
 
Maybe "Lovely Way" will be released this time? It was meant for Michael 2010 after Mark Robson mixed it. I haven't seen any concrete evidence of when it's from. Some say from Triumph sessions,, some say Thriller sessions.

(yes, posted before)
 
dethorro said:
“It first became “I Am Your Joy” and ultimately evolved into a song Michael continued to work on for years which was ultimately released on the album, Michael and titled “Best Of Joy”.”

I guess they decided to use a comma instead of quotation marks. Lol. They also must love the word “ultimately”!
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I really do want them to do something that doesn't have a cheap feeling about it and I just get that feeling with everything, even something as basic as a blurb lol.
 
Now also updated on the official website
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Michael Jackson Thriller 40 - The Toy

This song was inspired by the Richard Pryor film of the same title. After not making the cut for the Thriller album, Michael continued to work on the song. It first became “I Am Your Joy” and ultimately evolved into a song Michael continued to work on for years which was ultimately released on...
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83magic said:
I’m not familiar with the movie, so I’m very interested in hearing the lyrical content more than anything else. out of the posthumous songs, ‘best of joy’ was always one of my favourites 💜 he sounded free and wishful💜. there’s a real innocence there. makes sense that it originally came from ‘thriller’ as most of my favourites do 💜
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The movie was a box office flop. It wasn't good. Probably better off MJ had nothing to do with it.
 
Derek1984 said:
The movie was a box office flop. It wasn't good. Probably better off MJ had nothing to do with it.
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‘the wiz’ also didn’t do well at the box office (despite winning an a award, and being culturally significant). yet michael’s involvement changed the entire trajectory of his career as an adult solo artist. not saying ‘the toy’ would have done the same necessarily, but there’s no way to predict these things for sure.
 
In terms of film music the only missed opportunity for MJ came in the form of someone in the dark not being on the soundtrack of ET. It would have been one of his most well known and beloved songs if it was ultimately chosen for the film.
 
83magic said:
‘the wiz’ also didn’t do well at the box office (despite winning an a award, and being culturally significant). yet michael’s involvement changed the entire trajectory of his career as an adult solo artist. not saying ‘the toy’ would have done the same necessarily, but there’s no way to predict these things for sure.
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Well Michael acted in The Wiz. The Toy, he was just going to provide a song.
 
dethorro said:
“It first became “I Am Your Joy” and ultimately evolved into a song Michael continued to work on for years which was ultimately released on the album, Michael and titled “Best Of Joy”.”

I guess they decided to use a comma instead of quotation marks. Lol. They also must love the word “ultimately”!
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Not only that, but the way they wrote "After not making the cut for the Thriller album, Michael continued to work on the song and it ultimately evolved into "Best of Joy”" means grammatically that "After Michael didn't make the cut for the Thriller album, he continued...".

It should read "After the song didn't make the cut, Michael continued to work on it".
 
from Damien:

"The Toy" 🧵 In December 1984, while testifying in a court case, Michael revealed that he'd written a song called "The Toy" for the Richard Pryor movie of the same name, but that he "canned it" to focus on the Thriller album. "The Toy" wasn't considered for inclusion on Thriller.

Two weeks before testifying in the aforementioned court case, Michael filed a copyright registration for "The Toy" which was accompanied by a cassette of the track. I've heard a version from MJ's vault dated 1984, and it's almost identical to the song we know as Best of Joy.

In April 1991, Michael recorded new vocals for the track, including a new opening lyric. The original lyric, "I am your toy, I am your boy," was changed to: "I am your joy, your best of joy." The rest of the track is lyrically the same as the song we all know as "Best of Joy".

"Best of Joy," was considered for the Dangerous album in 1991, along with a number of tracks which didn't make the cut - some of which we have never heard. Attached is one of Michael's handwritten song lists from the Dangerous sessions.

After the Dangerous album was released in 1991, "Best of Joy" was sent back to the vault.

Then, in 2008, Michael requested that a copy of the track be brought back OUT the vault. The files that arrived included "The Toy" (dated 1984) and "Best of Joy" (dated 1991).

In November 2008, Michael recorded new vocals for the track in the bathroom of his suite at the Bel-Air Hotel in LA, including a never-heard alternate option for a third verse. New lyrics include: "I am the rock that stands on solid ground, I am that friend always around."

Michael also met with songwriter Rod Temperton around this time. Michael played "Best of Joy" for Rod, along with a handful of other songs, to get Rod's feedback. MJ's longtime engineer Michael Prince recalls that the MJ and Rod actually DID work together fleetingly at that time.

After Michael died, "Best of Joy" was remixed Ron "Neff-U" Feemster for the 'Michael' album. The vocals that appear on Neff-U's remix are those recorded at the Bel-Air Hotel in November 2008.

It'll be interesting to see which version of "The Toy" they include on #Thriller40 👀 Fingers crossed for a pre-1984 demo of some kind. And hopefully it's at least a little bit different to "Best of Joy" 🤞🏽

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So, there are at least 3 recordings of this song:
  1. Original 1981 demo
  2. April 1991 re-recording
  3. November 2008 re-recording
I’d LOVE to hear the ‘91 version. To my understanding, Brad Buxer does the instrumentation.
 
Fuzball said:
Fingers crossed for a pre-1984 demo of some kind. And hopefully it's at least a little bit different to "Best of Joy" 🤞🏽
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What exactly does he mean by this? Of course it’s going to be a pre-1984 demo…they wouldn’t release the 91’ demo on Thriller 40, would they?

The 1984 date was solely the date of registration, not of creation. There isn’t, as far as we are aware, a 1984 version of the song.
 
Well logically we will get the 1981 version with its original opening line. It will have different instrumentals and different vocals compared to the Neff U version. I am very happy.

Also I find it fascinating that Michael in 2008 thought of reworking a song he recorded in 1981. It means he likes the track a lot.

Actually there are 4 versions. The 2008 version is not on the “Michael” album, it is Neff U’s mix of the song that appears on it
 
Super curious why the newly recorded third verse wasn't used for the Michael version, seeing as Damien confirmed it is the same melody, just different words, which we have seen posted before.

MJ was obviously considering it heavily seeing as he re wrote a verse, and had a different structure being considered by Rod Temperton
 
Glad that The Toy is confirmed, can't wait to hear it and see how it differs from the version we have. It's exciting that there's at least two "new songs" on Disc 2
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Super curious why the newly recorded third verse wasn't used for the Michael version, seeing as Damien confirmed it is the same melody, just different words, which we have seen posted before.

MJ was obviously considering it heavily seeing as he re wrote a verse, and had a different structure being considered by Rod Temperton
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It's so odd how they excluded that third verse for the Michael version. I really don't get it. A few collectors actually have this BoJ version with the third verse in it. Would be cool to have it along with the Thriller version
 
kreen said:
Not only that, but the way they wrote "After not making the cut for the Thriller album, Michael continued to work on the song and it ultimately evolved into "Best of Joy”" means grammatically that "After Michael didn't make the cut for the Thriller album, he continued...".

It should read "After the song didn't make the cut, Michael continued to work on it".
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It doesn’t have to say that. It’s a null instantiation. The argument is syntactically missing but the semantics is still present.

Can’t wait to hear The Toy!
 
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