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Derek1984 said:
Sometimes Rod would re-use a song if it never made it on an album. Case in point, Got The Hots. So, was Roll The Dice ever recycled?
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For whatever reason I can only imagine it being derived from "Give Me The Night".🤷‍♂️
 
dam2040 said:
Gotta say.. I understand the disappointment, but is it MJE's fault these leaked and further reduced what 'unheard' material we can get?
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Exactly. It’s definitely a bummer, but when you’re faced with an era with limited unreleased material you gotta work with what you have. This could’ve been another OTW chalk incident. Plus, it’s one song. Not at all anything to worry about.
 
dam2040 said:
Gotta say.. I understand the disappointment, but is it MJE's fault these leaked and further reduced what 'unheard' material we can get?
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But Got The Hots has already been released. I wasn't disappointed about the inclusion of She's Trouble that has been leaked.
 
Is there a solo version of Don't Matter To Me, which is that awful Drake song?
 
Honestly, I don't remember that much negativity when Bad25 was released. Its bonus disc has also 10 tracks if excluding the (imo shitty) remixes. Out of those 10 tracks 4 were already previously released or leaked.
 
Fuzball said:
Honestly, I don't remember that much negativity when Bad25 was released. Its bonus disc has also 10 tracks if excluding the (imo shitty) remixes. Out of those 10 tracks 4 were already previously released or leaked.
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I remember plenty of negativity, at least on another forum. There were lots of people slamming the decision to “only” include six songs, to omit certain tracks (“Buffalo Bill,” “Crack Kills,” “Chicago 1945,” etc.), to include the foreign language versions of “I Just Can’t Stop Loving You,” so on and so forth.

As the resident devil’s advocate, the response to disc 2 so far has been incredibly positive (with the exception of the handful of people whose reactions to “Got the Hots” being included were hilariously out of proportion lol). It’s still better than T25.
 
So far I prefer it over Bad25. 3 remixes plus 2 foreign language versions of an old song, I never listen to any of those
 
Fuzball said:
Honestly, I don't remember that much negativity when Bad25 was released. Its bonus disc has also 10 tracks if excluding the (imo shitty) remixes. Out of those 10 tracks 4 were already previously released or leaked.
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I remember being over the moon when the tracklist was announced, mainly because Price Of Fame and Al Capone were in it (both were two of the most anticipated unreleased demo's) and 6 brand new songs was brilliant, espicially as we knew nothing about a few of them
 
Derek1984 said:
My guess; It was Baby Be Mine vs Got The Hots for track # 2 and Baby Be Mine won out.
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No, it was actually Hot Street vs Baby Be Mine. A ton of songs often went against each other in Michael's perferred tracklist, so I'd imagine it went down like this:

1. Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
2. Hot Street --> Baby Be Mine
3. The Girl Is Mine
4. Starlight --> Thriller
5. Behind the Mask (?) --> Beat It
6. Nite Line --> Billie Jean
7. Carousel --> Human Nature
8. Got the Hots --> Pretty Young Thing (MJ's version) --> P.Y.T
9. Mystery (?) --> The Lady In My Life
 
SeriousFX said:
No, it was actually Hot Street vs Baby Be Mine. A ton of songs often went against each other in Michael's perferred tracklist, so I'd imagine it went down like this:

1. Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
2. Hot Street --> Baby Be Mine
3. The Girl Is Mine
4. Starlight --> Thriller
5. Behind the Mask (?) --> Beat It
6. Nite Line --> Billie Jean
7. Carousel --> Human Nature
8. Got the Hots --> Pretty Young Thing (MJ's version) --> P.Y.T
9. Mystery (?) --> The Lady In My Life
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This is mega controversial, but Hot Street is better than BBM.
 
SeriousFX said:
No, it was actually Hot Street vs Baby Be Mine. A ton of songs often went against each other in Michael's perferred tracklist, so I'd imagine it went down like this:

1. Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
2. Hot Street --> Baby Be Mine
3. The Girl Is Mine
4. Starlight --> Thriller
5. Behind the Mask (?) --> Beat It
6. Nite Line --> Billie Jean
7. Carousel --> Human Nature
8. Got the Hots --> Pretty Young Thing (MJ's version) --> P.Y.T
9. Mystery (?) --> The Lady In My Life
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Thriller was always a 10 track album up untill its first mastering in late October of '82.

A1 Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
A2 Baby Be Mine
A3 Hot Street
A4 The Girl Is Mine
B1 Beat It
B2 Billie Jean
B3 Human Nature
B4 P.Y.T.
B5 The Lady In My Life
 
dam2040 said:
This is mega controversial, but Hot Street is better than BBM.
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I don't think it is contraversial and I agree that Hot Street is better than Baby Be Mine, even though I really like the latter song.
 
dam2040 said:
This is mega controversial, but Hot Street is better than BBM.
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I feel like they don't compare. It's like trying to compare orange juice to coffee: they're both beverages, but that's it.
 
BBM has a much stronger melody than Hot Street. Say what you want about Quincy but he generally got the final tracklistings correct based on what he had to work with, save for Just Good Friends which he later admitted to be a mistake.

They withheld stronger material that was available for BAD 25. Buffalo Bill, Chicago 1945, What You Do To Me, those were held back intentionally, IMO.
 
AlwaysThere said:
“Hot Street” is immensely mediocre imo. Not bad, but it doesn’t come anywhere near the songs that actually made the album.

“What You Do to Me” remains a curio. I’m very interested in hearing that one.
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It's probably one of the better songs left in the vault based on what I've read. I also think he went back to it the late 90's.

Another one is Make or Break. Unfinished but they could've included that on BAD 25.

The best stuff was really from '83-'86.
 
Apple Music updated the tracklist. Got the Hots is the second song on CD2.

01
02 Got the Hots (Demo)
03
04
05 Behind the Mask (Mike's Mix (Demo))
06
07 The Toy (Demo)
08
09
10 She's Trouble (Demo)

 
I’m thinking this is what we’re in for:
  1. Starlight (Demo of Thriller)
  2. Got the Hots (Demo)
  3. Nightline (Demo)
  4. [unheard song]
  5. Behind the Mask (Mike’s Mix)
  6. Hot Street (Demo)
  7. The Toy (Demo)
  8. Rolling the Dice (Demo)
  9. Carousel (Demo)
  10. She’s Trouble (Demo)
If it’s anything even close to this, I’m thrilled (no pun intended).
 
My revised list

1. Starlight
2. Got the hots
3. Hot street
4. Lady in my life uncut or someone in the dark
All 4 above written by Rod Temperton.

5. Behind the mask
6. Something post thriller sessions
7. The Toy
All 3 above written by Michael Jackson.

8. Night Line
9. Carousel
10. She’s trouble
All 3 above written by others.

Something like this will make me happy
 
I agree with many people that Got the Hots would have fitted more on disc3. I mean, songs that have previously been in a limited release? Fits the song perfectly. I guess that makes Carousel being on disc2 as well pretty likely.
Starlight, Niteline and Slapstick / Hotstreet are a safe bet. Put together, we have 8 tracks.

I they also put previously released stuff on disc2, then we may be also getting the uncut version of Lady in my Life and Someone in the Dark. Though, that would be pretty lame. The ET storybook deserves an own re-release on CD.
So if we exchange one of these 2 last songs with the demo of Don't Matter To Me (hope it exists with more vocals than the few on Drakes song), we'd have our disc2. Hope they don't count Scared of the Moon as Thriller era.
So the final tracklist (in no particular order) may look something like that:
- Niteline
- She's Trouble
- Starlight
- Slapstick / Hot Street
- Got The Hots
- The Toy
- Behind The Mask
- Carousel
- Lady In My Life uncut / Someone In The Dark
- Don't Matter To Me

Nothing spectalular in my opinion, but nevertheless quite strong. Would mean a complete official release of all Thriller era leakes + like 3 more or less new songs. Releasing the leakes makes future albums much more exciting for me :) The last big batch of leaked songs would be the scrapped 2nd CD of Dangerous.


Also: Who the hell writes these song descriptions on Twitter / the website? I bet most people in this thread could write better texts in about 5minutes each.
 
I'd assume track 1 on Disc 2 is going to be Starlight, it just makes sense.

I hope they include at least one more unheard song on Disc 2, Mystery would be cool, but if that's vocally complete maybe they want to save it for a studio album.

Maybe even the earliest version of Don't Be Messin' Round? I imagine that'll be as complete as the version we got on Bad 25
 
Found this comment on the MJ Archives group.

I had a chat with MJ one time about Got The Hots.. He didn't know Sony had issued it in Japan. He sounded so surprised as if the song was merely a throwaway. "They released THAT!!!" I got the impression it was not important to him.
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I don't really understand how they could release a song legally without him knowing.
 
Dorian said:
Found this comment on the MJ Archives group.



I don't really understand how they could release a song legally without him knowing.
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Because Temperton wrote the song, he owns it. However, Sony owns the specific recordings of the song sung by MJ. They can do whatever they please with it. If Temperton wants to release it, he'll have to re-record it. We see this happening with Taylor Swift right now. She fell out with her label, she wanted to own the original masters. They wouldn't sell it to her. She is not allowed do anything with those recordings unless she gets permission. However, she has outsmarted them. She wrote the songs, she owns the songs, just not the recordings of the songs. Soooo.... she re-recorded them. Sony can do whatever they please with Michael's recordings because they own them. Same with Motown and the Jackson 5. In fairness though, a lot of those songs were written and produced by Motown and only performed by J5 so I think it's fair they own those ones.

That's how it works in general and simple terms. Every contract is different though.
 
Dan said:
Because Temperton wrote the song, he owns it. However, Sony owns the specific recordings of the song sung by MJ. They can do whatever they please with it. If Temperton wants to release it, he'll have to re-record it. We see this happening with Taylor Swift right now. She fell out with her label, she wanted to own the original masters. They wouldn't sell it to her. She is not allowed do anything with those recordings unless she gets permission. However, she has outsmarted them. She wrote the songs, she owns the songs, just not the recordings of the songs. Soooo.... she re-recorded them. Sony can do whatever they please with Michael's recordings because they own them. Same with Motown and the Jackson 5. In fairness though, a lot of those songs were written and produced by Motown and only performed by J5 so I think it's fair they own those ones.

That's how it works in general and simple terms. Every contract is different though.
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Sony couldn't put out anything without Michael's approval. They wanted a double disc in 2001 and Michael said no. They wanted the same demos release in 2008 and he said no. They wanted less demos and he said no again. You can't just put stuff out without the label's permission.

The Taylor case is something different. Michael's masters were owned by MJJ Productions afaik.
 
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